Hey Canadians! (and anyone else who follows our politics lol)

Jocelyn - posted on 04/20/2011 ( 42 moms have responded )

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I'm not going to lie, I haven't been following the candidates, the debates etc. But I want to vote! Normally I vote Green party, but I don't even feel I can do that (again- because I haven't followed anything :P lol)



So ladies, INFORM ME!!!

I figured a debating group was the best place for this :D



Who are you going to vote for and why? Do you have any good links (that aren't flat out propaganda? I like facts.)





Edited to add: Can anyone tell me how to edit the title of my post? I want to switch "are" to "our" ...

*headdesk* lol

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Johnny - posted on 04/21/2011

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If you are not sure how your views line up with those of the major parties, try the Election Compass on CBC's website. It asks you a series of questions on your opinions about policies and ideology and then tells you on a grid which parties your views are closest to. You can even see how you match up on specific issues, like social programs, military, economy, etc.

Dana - posted on 04/20/2011

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Jocelyn, obviously I can't help you out with who to vote for but, I can help you out with the editing of the title. Just edit your post, it will also let you edit the title at the same time. :)

Mrs. - posted on 04/20/2011

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I kind of like Gilles Duceppe. There's a old school, salty as fuck Frenchman vibe going on there. Unfortunately, I don't think Quebec leaving would be good for Canada or the province. The party has to let go of that old fashioned notion and move a united, diverse Canada forward.

Johnny - posted on 04/20/2011

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I will be voting Liberal. We have an excellent MP in this riding. He used to be our provincial NDP premier for a while. My views really line up with his, I've found him to be effective and helpful. He has been in politics for many years and has never been involved in scandal or questionable ethics. He is very well respected.

That being said, I am impressed by the way the NDP is approaching this election. I was quite skeptical about them, but the more I listen to Jack Layton, the more I like his approach and what he has to say. Their platform seems slightly better than the Liberals as well.

I have not been that impressed with the Green Party though. It took me forever to even find out who my local candidate was, they didn't have it on their website. If they can't even do that right, I'm certainly not going to give them my vote to run government.

As for the Conservatives, well, their platform is generally an anathema to me. I disagree with them on so many issues, particularly with my local candidate. So they aren't even in my consideration. Never have been, never will be. Besides, I'm too young to vote for them ;-)

I have to agree with Amanda about voting Green. In a way, it's splitting the vote farther from the NDP and Liberals, so it's sort of like voting Conservative by proxy.

Elfrieda - posted on 04/20/2011

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Sorry, this is going to be long.

Normally I don't vote Conservative, as I find that the basic idea of "lower the taxes for everybody, cut public spending" is not one that I agree with. I'm an ESL teacher, and I see how much immigrants need the programs to help them settle in to Canada, learn English, get their papers in order, get certified, etc. I don't mind paying a little extra in order to help them, in fact that's what I think Canada is all about, helping each other. However, I think that there are many people who are good people who think differently, and that's fine.

So anyway, at first I thought Stephen Harper was a man with integrity, who was a good man and I just happened not to agree with him on certain issues. It was a shock, then, to learn that he is a liar and a manipulative, arrogant, petty man. I don't really follow politics, and even I was catching the blatant lies that he was telling! Any politician should be able to pull the wool over my eyes, so the fact that he isn't tells you something about how little he cares about what people think of him. I don't know who's voting for him.

The first lie that I noticed was such a shock, but since then every time I've noticed a lie I just shrugged and thought, well that's the kind of guy he is. So I can only remember the first one offhand. It was at the last election, when all the hubub about a "coup" was going on. I was confused, so got myself educated and then listened to what he said. He went on tv and told the Canadian people that what the NDP and Liberals were doing was illegal, when ACTUALLY what I had just learned was that it was perfectly legal, and a legitimate way of doing government. He is using all the ignorant people who just vote conservatives out of habit, and he's lying to them, and they believe him. I can't stand the guy. I think he's a bad man, and should probably go to jail.

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Tyrae - posted on 04/21/2011

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I wish we could make people vote with their hearts... Canada would be a much better place for it I think...

Johnny - posted on 04/21/2011

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For some reason, in my riding, the NDP always runs someone who I find objectionable both provincially and federally. They cater obnoxiously to one segment of the ethnic population and nominate people consistently who have only been involved in affairs pertaining to that ethnic group. I never get the feeling that they have any interest in winning my vote at all. I'm not the right ethnicity.

If I lived in most other ridings in the city, I'd be voting NDP. But in my riding, the Liberal is the best NDP candidate (he was a NDP premier). And despite being an ethnic "minority" as well, he's been involved in ALL segments of the community.

Sylvia - posted on 04/21/2011

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I will almost certainly vote Green (again). The Liberal incumbent in my riding is Ken Dryden, and I have no problem with him, but although I've certainly voted Liberal more than once in the past, I'm not totally thrilled with the Liberals' campaign or with their current platform, which feels thrown together at the last minute. I was thinking of voting NDP (which I have also done in the past), because they've run a pretty good campaign this time and I rather like Jack Layton, until I discovered that the NDP candidate in our riding is an undergrad student, which suggests to me that they are not taking this race seriously :P The Green candidate, OTOH, has a fairly impressive résumé.

I'll admit that if I lived in a riding where it looked like a Conservative candidate was likely to win, I'd be much more inclined to vote strategically. The Liberal and Conservative policies are not, in fact, that different from each other -- whatever the attack ads say -- but the fact that Harper already governs as much like an autocrat as he possibly can makes the prospect of a Conservative majority government with him in charge very, very scary.

Mrs. - posted on 04/21/2011

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http://www.projectdemocracy.ca/

I like this site too. You can put in your postal code and see if your vote is contributing to a Harper majority. In our riding, we can vote our preference because it is historically always Liberal. Who knows, voting NDP or Green in your riding might not affect the whole Harper majority thing. However, if you are in one that hangs in the balance - I'd seriously consider voting strategically.

Mrs. - posted on 04/21/2011

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Tyrae, that would be great, if you could actually control the entire voting population and make them vote with their "heart"...never seen that happen.

It is nice in theory - not so much in reality.

Tyrae - posted on 04/21/2011

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I will be voting Green Party. Even if they don't end up with a seat they are all for what I want to change in this country.

http://greenparty.ca/

The only reason why the green party, and all the other little guys, don't make it is because everyone believes their votes won't count. This is untrue on so many different levels. 1. With voting for the party you want, you take away your vote from the other parties which don't stand for anything that you stand for. 2. If everyone didn't just vote for the party that they deemed "the lesser evil" there could be a huge change in the government. Everyone needs to vote for who they truly want. You can never just throw a vote out the window..

Jenn - posted on 04/21/2011

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I'm voting Liberal because I love Bob Speller (our local rep) and want him back in office - get Diane Finlay OUT!

Isobel - posted on 04/21/2011

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I tend to vote NDP...not because I think they'll win but because I want them to have the strongest voice possible. I think of them as the conscience of the government.

Jocelyn - posted on 04/21/2011

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Haha Ironically the link that Tara provided told me to vote Green :P

Johnny - posted on 04/21/2011

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I was pretty much smack in between the NDP and the Liberals. Near the Bloc. What I expected. I think it's useful for people who don't follow politics at all though.

Tania - posted on 04/21/2011

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I can not stand Ignatief he is so irritating and very full of himself. As of now I will never vote Liberal again, Dalton McGuinty ruined it for me. All the cuts to health care and education and it will contunue with a liberal goverment in power.

Jenni - posted on 04/21/2011

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I got Green Party. Then NDP, Liberal, Bloc and Conservative. That's exactly the order I would have picked. :)

Jenni - posted on 04/21/2011

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Yeah Tara, mine is NDP. ;) My hubby's also voting NDP strategically. He was going to vote conservative (he hates the liberals and never considered NDP). However, after a little debate in the car on the way to his mother's I convinced him to consede. He figures we're more socialist anyways. (Even though NDP is being pulled closer to being liberal). I figure after having a conservative gov't for so long we need a party to pull us back a little more to the left.

Tara - posted on 04/21/2011

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If you normally vote green party than I assume you will not be voting conservative. In that case please vote strategically this election. Here's a link to a chart, find your riding, look to the right and it will tell you which party to vote for to help beat the conservatives.
http://regressiveconservative.ca/voting-...
This is the best way to ensure at the least a minority government. For me this means voting Liberal to get Tony Clement out of my riding. If I wasn't voting strategically I would probably vote Green or find or start a Marijuana Party Candidate.

Jenni - posted on 04/21/2011

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Even my husband's parents who ALWAYS vote conservative are voting liberal this election and they loath the liberals. :)

Firebird - posted on 04/21/2011

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Harper is too Americanized for my liking. IF I vote, it would probably be for Liberal or NDP. I liked what Layton had to say but I'm pretty undecided. But I'm more of an Anarchist anyway, so I doubt I'll be voting this year.

Jenni - posted on 04/21/2011

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NDP- by the number of canidate signs in my city it appears that nearly everyone is! Overwhelmingly NDP. Brian Masse's alright I guess. Seems he hasn't thought through some of the major concerns in my city though. Our liberal canidate is pretty much at par. Our conservative canidate is marginally better than the other two but I just don't want Harper getting a majority gov't. Yikes!

Caitlin - posted on 04/21/2011

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I don't really have to vote, since my riding is very strongly Bloc and I would never vote that way. I may go toss in a vote, but it won't matter. Gilles duceppe is an ass and Ignatief is a lying manipulative bastard. Harper is meh, and Layton doesn't impress me, i'm not a fan of politics really, but follow it cause I watch the news and such. I DON'T like how ignatief is always changing his mind about things and making blatantly false promises, like he's consider funding the arena in Quebec City that "MAY" attract an NHL team to the area - he said that when he was campaigning up there a few weeks ago.. I saw it on the news and scoffed, because it's such a blatant lie it makes me want to vomit.

Laytons plans seem to be really nice, increasing the benefits for families and immigrants and the elderly, but the major part that is missing from the platform is HOW he's going to find the money for that when we're still coming out of a recession, and trying to stabilize the major industries in the country so they don't take their jobs elsewhere.

Harper - I don't know if he's such a bad guy really, I dont' particularly like him, but I do appreciate that he pretty much says what he's going to do and sticks by it (for the most part). The G8 debacle is one thing that's not impressive, but all the leaders have had their screwups and sadly we can't expect them to be perfect. If I had to vote for a LEADER - I'd have to chose Harper on that (ducks for cover).

But since this is about local MP's and such, it's hard to say, none of them are really campaigning hard around here, I haven't heard anyones platform, and nobody here speaks english, so even if I write them an e-mail in one of the countries legal languages, I will not receive a reply from them for sure.

I think they need to change the way things work - voter apathy is such a "big issue" but it stems a lot from the people in the extreme minority in their ridings not feeling that their vote makes any difference, which is quite true.

Jocelyn - posted on 04/20/2011

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Haha thanks Dana!
And thanks ladies, you've all given me great info.
And don't worry, I was NEVER planning on voting Conservative :P
Based on what I have read on the sites, I think I might be leaning towards NDP this time...

Elfrieda - posted on 04/20/2011

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Ha! Wow, I have never thought of it that way, but you're absolutely right on the Ken Doll thing.



And yes, I think he's less scary than the States version of him, but only because as Canadians, we have less wave-that-flag-and-kill-the-infidel gusto than our neighbours do, so he doesn't have as much to work with.

Mrs. - posted on 04/20/2011

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He is a bit like Demonic Fat Ken Doll.

I don't have a lot of respect for the man. Still, I believe Canada's worst conservative politician is still less scary than their counterpart in the states ;).

Krista - posted on 04/20/2011

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Gilles Duceppe is vastly entertaining, yes. But to my mind, the Bloc should not have a place in national politics, if their platform consists solely of Quebec's interests.

Johnny - posted on 04/20/2011

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Oh, and Jocelyn, for information purposes, check out my facebook profile. I've been posting articles pertaining to election issues on most days of the week.

Lady Heather - posted on 04/20/2011

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I am also a Duceppe fan. Maybe he can just be the way he is because he isn't actually trying to be PM. Maybe that gives you a certain freedom. But he makes me laugh. He shows up with his facts that he wants to talk about and he's like "fuck you answer the question". It is a pity about that whole separatist thing.

Lady Heather - posted on 04/20/2011

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I think it's funny how the Conservatives talk about it like it's this scary thing we all hate, but most people I talk to don't seem to give a shit at all. Hahahaha.

Johnny - posted on 04/20/2011

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Gilles Duceppe would be my favorite leader if he didn't want to separate our country. That just makes me want to punch him. (I know, I know, very mature)

Amanda - posted on 04/20/2011

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Liberal/NDP/Block coalition is right where we are going. Which I actually dont mind. If we as Canadians again vote in a minority Tory government I would put money on these parties making a coalition.

Lady Heather - posted on 04/20/2011

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Yeah, I would be cool with an NDP/Lib coalition too. Obviously the problem is the involvement of the Bloc, but I very much doubt that suddenly Quebec is going to leave because there's a coalition.

I think I am going to vote NDP. I gave the kid a chance and he seems like he's at least putting a good effort in. Definitely can't vote for the fake Liberal candidate. But old Dick is going to win again anyways so one has to wonder what the point is. If we could get everyone voting for non-conservatives to vote the same way, we could get rid of him maybe. Never gonna happen. And in the last election it still wouldn't have been enough. :(

Mrs. - posted on 04/20/2011

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Yep, I hear you on the NDP thing. It's a shame Canadian have to be a bit strategic this election to avoid a Harper majority. It just sucks that Ignatieff, though extremely smart, is kind of terrible in debates and tv.

Johnny - posted on 04/20/2011

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I must agree Rebecca. I was sort of opposed to Layton, I really don't like his ads, and his approach before seemed to remind me of a used car salesman. I only heard the debate on the radio, I was driving, so it didn't really help me. But the other night I saw the in depth interview Layton did with Peter Mansbridge on the National and I was very impressed. He was clear, concise, on message, and very informative. He completely changed my mind.

I'm still not voting NDP in this riding, it will be extremely close between Liberals & Conservatives (last election it was a 20 vote difference!!) and I can't take that chance.

Mrs. - posted on 04/20/2011

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Some people might say voting NDP is like voting Green...but anywho..

I can't vote in Canada because I'm just a perm resident. However, I did watch the leader's debate. I went in telling my fiance to just vote Liberal regardless of how terrible Ignatieff is at getting across his party's message. However, now I see why he is set on voting for NDP and Jack Layton. They seem the most clear in their message and Jack is able to convey the message a lot better than any of the other leaders....for what it's worth.

Johnny - posted on 04/20/2011

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Is it bad that I'd be fine with a Liberal/NDP coalition? It wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The last time it was discussed, it seemed to be Conservatives who were angriest about it. Since they didn't vote for either party, it's not really their vote that's being "ignored". And it's in no way "unconstitional" or against our traditional system. Quite the opposite really. That whole drama just irks me, especially because I could see a lot of real positives to it for Canadians.

Krista - posted on 04/20/2011

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I'll be voting Liberal, but unfortunately, in my riding, the Conservatives could run a flea-riddled stuffed badger as their candidate, and the goddamn thing would win.

I like the NDP, but more as the official opposition -- they're good at giving the government a hard time.

Personally, I'm urging everybody to vote Liberal, as realistically, they're the party that has the best chance of unseating Harper.

Amanda - posted on 04/20/2011

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I will be voting NDP, because I like the guy that runs in my area. As for voting Green, that is basicly throwing your vote out the window, as ZERO Green party members held a seat in government in the last voting. I will never tell someone else how to vote, but I suggest you call up your MP's in your area and find out what their stands are on important topics to yourself.

http://www.liberal.ca/
http://www.conservative.ca/
http://www.ndp.ca/

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