Homeschooling

Isobel - posted on 11/25/2010 ( 325 moms have responded )

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I think that in order to be allowed to educate your own child, you should have to pass (get an A) ALL the tests of that particular grade. It scares the crap out of me that there are SOME (clearly not all home educators) that are using home schooling as a chance to indoctrinate their children and keep them from being exposed to ideas that are different ideas than their own.

Do you think that you have the "right" to educate your child any way you see fit?

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Tah - posted on 11/27/2010

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my sister's step-daughter and her siblings were taken out of school to be "homeschooled" and she did absolutely nothing with them..i mean nothing...NOTHING..the girl is 16 now and knows nothing. Her older brother was taken by his father and enrolled in high school and is doing well. My BIL fought for custody of his daughter but by time the court date came the judge said that the child was not in immediate danger so they would not give him custody. I think that being ill-equippped for the future is being in immediate danger, when the girl went to a schools open house with my sister and bil down here for my other nieces and the teacher asked her what grade she was in..the child didn't know, what she was working on at home..she couldn't tell her. All this and the mother is a bus aide, so she cares for other people's children on the way to school and yet leaves hers at home to learn nothing.



I think there should be guidlelines and strict monitoring of homeschooled children. How many times do children change what they want to be when they grow up, so if they want to be a firefighter, you don't focus on math? So when they decide they want to be an architect or scientist do you go back and try to cram the math you missed in on them?. I beleieve that the educations should be well-rounded because you never know where you will actually end up in the future. It is not the right of the parent to send an ill-equipped child out into the world. I am no math whiz. I hate science, when my kids need help, i have to take a second, read the examples and figure it out sometimes myself before i call them in, so i know i am not the one to teach them.



I had a choice between school districts when we moved, i chose the one that was diverse and still incorporated music and gym, and allowed the children to explore. There are parent's that are doing a great job with homeschooling...kudos to you.but what about the ones that are sending their children out to live a less than mediocre life because they will not be able to succeed in college or know the basics to hold down a job. We have parents that are all about conspiracy theories, and how they are being brainwashed and want their children home so that they can teach them how they beleieve, well the world doesn't always operate the way "you beleive", so we have to equip our children to function in the world we have or just be prepared for them to never advance and stay in your back room until they are 50...

Johnny - posted on 11/26/2010

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Becky, thank you!!!! Very very very well said. It drives me absolutely around the freaking bend when people think that they have the right to screw up their kids. You don't own them. They are not your property. You are responsible TO them. If you can do a great job homeschooling, then fine, I've got no issue with it. Regulation needs to be there to stop the "batshit fucking crazies" of the world from ruining more kids more deeply. It's nice that most people are doing a good job at homeschooling, if that's the case, regulations and assessments should in no way concern them. Kids have the right to the best possible future, parents do NOT have the right to take it away from them.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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And for those of you who are curious of the definition of batshit crazy...it is this "batshit fucking crazy" not bipolar, not suffering from depression, not disagrees with me...but is absolutely batshit fucking crazy...got that?

Amanda - posted on 11/26/2010

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I think that a person who is going to homeschool their children needs to know as much as possible about the subjects and courses. I myself am not a fan of homeschooling! I do inhome daycare and I teach all my daycare kids as well as my own the alphabet, colors numbers shapes months and animals. After they turn 3 and can be put into preschool I'm all for it! That's why there are licensed teachers out there teaching children for a living! It takes more than knowing what your teaching a child. It takes patience and a way of teaching that subject or course. I appreciate all teachers for all they do! I think that parents def need to be educated on homeschooling before they jump into it. And I also think that every child deserves to be introduced to social skills, different types of people and all the activities that school offer! The school does more than just teach your child. They teach them to respect things, to be nice to other people, to share, to count on others, to trust adult who are helping you, to speak to a counselor when they are having a problem...and so forth! I am all for public schools!!!!!!!!

Becky - posted on 11/26/2010

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I've met the children of a mother who homeschooled her children and actually taught them virtually nothing. They were in grade 5 and couldn't read at all. They were basically at a grade 1 level in all their subjects. And she was also batshit crazy! Like, thought the government had put something in her water type crazy.
Lorraine, of course our children learn from us, but the issue is whether they are learning the skills and knowledge that they are going to need to pursue post secondary education and get a career as an adult. Or are they learning how to smoke, swear, and sit on their fat assess watching soaps all day? Children grow up to be adults, and unless we want them to be dependent on us for the rest of their lives, a huge part of our jobs as parents is to prepare them for independence and life as an adult. Our society today is very competitive and like it or not, your level of education does matter. So, a parent that does not ensure that their child has the knowledge and skills necessary to pursue whatever education they need for the career the child wants to pursue - NOT the one the parent wants them to pursue! - is doing their child a disservice.
And no, parents do not have a right to screw up their children however they want to. A mother does not have the right to drink copious amounts during her pregnancy, giving her child FASD or to use cocaine or meth throughout her pregnancy. Currently, she may still have the legal right, but I will never support that right, and I fervently hope that one day it is taken away!

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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The fact that I want them to grow to be everything that they can be.

The fact that I believe that their rights are just as important if not more important than mine.

The fact that I sacrifice to make sure that they are warm and fed AND educated.

The fact that want them to become productive members of society.

The fact that I want them to be able to CHOOSE the profession which makes them whole as an adult.

The fact that I encourage them to learn about ALL things in the world and disagree with me if that's where their education and beliefs lead.

A. Lorraine - posted on 11/26/2010

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If they are a mother they are teaching their child/children something whether they know it or not ! LOL
Why Batshit crazy ? That's what YOU think....no ?

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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My assumption would be that the same people who collaborate on creating the curricula would create some sort of board similar to the fda.

and I've never heard anybody who KNOWS that they are teaching their child nothing, but I HAVE heard women on com who claimed to homeschool who clearly HAD nothing to teach.

A. Lorraine - posted on 11/26/2010

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Do you actually know people that don't teach anything ? How do you know ?

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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RIGHT! aaaaaand...everybody should prove that they are ABLE to teach before they start :D

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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when I say nothing, I mean NO math, NO science, NO reading, etc.

and believe it or not SOME people do that.

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i just think people see for and against remarks and assume its for or against education to the best of their ability for their child. when in all reality, some schools are best for some children while other children SHOULD be home schooled. Some Parents shouldnt teach, neither should some teachers. Some thrive in structure, others when given the choice to do as they feel. I believe i will be doing what i think is best for my daughter. I think it would be downright cruel if one day my daughter asked me to go to school and i said no because i didnt want her to. I want to teach her to think for herself and come up with her own theory's on the world. Someone else can feel the same way and think its best to school their child. All in all, education is the most important part of it. Regardless of how this happens.

A. Lorraine - posted on 11/26/2010

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How do you teach a child nothing ? Children learn so much by watching and listening to what we say and do.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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Because nobody's bothering to read...we all agree that homeschooling can be wonderful...where we differ is whether or not you should be allowed to teach your child nothing if that is your choice.

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this thread is so funny. i love how everyone debating when their all for the same thing, education to the best it can be in your eyes.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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"I disagree...denying a child education IS abuse in my eyes."



DENYING AND EDUCATION...not choosing to educate differently...seriously...READ.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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and the point is that while schools DO need work, there is a system in place that a parent can use to advocate for their child...if the parent is the abuser...the child has no advocate

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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Actually Laura, that's exactly what I said. If we're going to ensure that children's basic rights are met to the very best then yes, 5 star charter schools, all organic food, heavily supervised pregnancies, licenses to get pregnant etc etc etc...


but seriously, have to relieve the hubster from the munchkin! Be back tomorrow!

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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again, I'm not saying that homeschooling is emotional abuse...gawd...teaching your child NOTHING is abuse.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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And public school children aren't emotionally abused as well? Obviously THAT system is failing to appropriately regulate abuse as well. I ask the same question about public school, why should public schools be required to do more to prevent ALL abuse?
Also, I think we can all agree, that someone who is going to abuse their child while homeschooling, could VERY easily pass any of these "tests" you bring up, so how exactly does that prevent abuse?

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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I disagree...denying a child education IS abuse in my eyes.

saying they have to eat organic food would be the same as saying they must go to a private charter school...keep the metaphors straight.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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So are you suggesting that emotional abuse is ok? Because we have discussed here that some people use the homeschooling system as a means of what could technically be considered emotional abuse (isolation, drumming in certain doctrines, etc). The system evidently is not sufficiently regulated to prevent those scenerios, so why shouldn't it require further regulation to be able to do its best at preventing ALL abuse?

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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NOT feeding your child will result in their death...are you implying that I would kill my child if they didn't recieve an education?

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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LMBO, Laura, beat your child and causing physical harm is vastly different from anything educational. But one could easily argue that many of things I mentioned would qualify under abuse and should therefor be banned, from anything not advised during pregnancy, to every morsel of food you put in your child's mouth once born and so on and so forth. Which is my point, there is abuse, which is extreme...and FURTHER regulating something that is already regulated.
Anyways, I'm off to relieve my husband from child duty...be back tomorrow!

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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and if you want to make it into a food analogy...it's the same as saying you MUST feed your child food. period.

and I'm pretty sure that's law.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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and we do regulate food, it's called the fda, we're not suggesting every educator must have a master's degree, we're saying they should pass the grade they're teaching.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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welllllll...since very few people beat their children then I guess those laws are unnecessary too.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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But where do those limits fall? I think a healthy diet leading to a longer life and more opportunities therefore is more important than further regulating something that is already regulated (and again, regulating people that make such a small minority there are certainly more important things, education wise, to be worying about!)

Do we ban fast food then? Do we ban formula feeding and rice cereal and smoking during pregnancy, and taking hot showers during pregnancy, and force people to cook organic, gourmet home made meals every night, and force parents to send their children to 5 star charter schools, and make people get licenses to procreate and so on and so forth, just that each and every child gets exactly and only the best?

Jenny - posted on 11/26/2010

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Yes, Jodi that is exactly it. I love the way Tara teaches and wish I had access to something similar or could afford Waldorf as I know my daughter would thrive in that environment. We do what we can at home though, for sure.

My main issue is with parents omitting things they don't think are important, like a second language, math or english. The only reason I took French 12 was in case I wanted to go college and it was part of their eligibilty requirements.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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"I support anyone's decision to raise their child how they see fit."



I guess that's where we differ. I don't think parents do have the right to raise their children as they see fit. I think there are limits to that which fall back to the child having rights which override the rights of the parents.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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"The child HAS to be able to go to college in the end if that is their choice."
So what about the kids who fail out of highschool and age 17 or 18, aren't graduated and can't attend college because of it? Generally, if they have failed their senior year, or any other year and fallen behind and never graduate it's because the public school system failed them (as well as their parents). So EVERY child therefore, by that standard, HAS to graduate highschool. Because you seem to forget that there is the option to get a GED, at any age.
I agree, it's a parent's responsibility to do what's best for their child, from the moment they find out they're pregnant to the day they die, but it should never be enforced that a parent HAS to do everything exactly so, just because you think it's wrong. Again, the people you're referring to are of such a small minority I don't get the point. A responsible parent is going to do what is best for their child no matter what, an irresponsible parent is going to do what they want with their kid despite regulations. I support a parent's right to be stupid if that suits them, like I said, if that means smoking during pregnancy, feeding your a 6 month old fries every day, bringing home fast food every night, unschooling or homeschooling HOWEVER they see fit or not starting a college fund...I support anyone's decision to raise their child how they see fit.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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Tara, I actually agree with the concept you have described. There absolutely needs to be a basic curriculum. I do think HOW it is taught can vary according to the child/parent. But not all parents have the capability of teaching it at all, which is why there needs to be the regulations. I think the premise of this debate is about parents teaching WHAT they want, rather than HOW they want. Those two things are different.

Tara - posted on 11/26/2010

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Yes Laura there need to be lessons, however how they are taught is something entirely different.

I teach parts of speech through mad libs and creative story telling. What I don't do is have them circle the dangling participle, underline the predicate, cross out the preposition and put a dot over the transitory verbs.

I teach them to recognize by ear what a correct sentence sounds like.

We use The Grammar Lessons for a Well Trained MInd by Jesse Wise. They are lessons, we just happen to do them orally for the most part at this point in the game, we make it fun when we can.

The fact you equate unschooling with learning through osmosis just shows how little you know about unschooling.

Again, please educate yourself on unschooling before you judge me and accuse me of not educating my children.

They are being educated, just differently. And in my opinion, more completely, more naturally and more effectively than receiving a mediocre, homogenized and averaged out public school education.

Off now to eat Pulla Bread!!

Good Night All!

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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I should explain myself (I must admit I skimmed your post) I do believe in child-led learning (what some people call un-schooling) where the educator uses what the child is interested in to explain different concepts.

For example, if the child is interested in whales, you use whales as a source of measurement, and anatomy...

BUT the material MUST be covered. The child HAS to be able to go to college in the end if that is their choice.

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