Homeschooling

Isobel - posted on 11/25/2010 ( 325 moms have responded )

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I think that in order to be allowed to educate your own child, you should have to pass (get an A) ALL the tests of that particular grade. It scares the crap out of me that there are SOME (clearly not all home educators) that are using home schooling as a chance to indoctrinate their children and keep them from being exposed to ideas that are different ideas than their own.

Do you think that you have the "right" to educate your child any way you see fit?

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they already exist. its called childrens aid society
they can say oh your unfit and not aloud to have children. when you do have another child...they take your baby and give them to someone else to raise.

Tara - posted on 11/26/2010

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Just so you know too Laura the site I directed you to will have many English language errors. This is because the author of the material is from a different country and so English is his second language. Just so you are aware and you don't think he is illiterate. :)

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unschooled "teaching" is an interesting concept, ive read into it a bit, maybe i will a bit more as well.

A. Lorraine - posted on 11/26/2010

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Do some of ya'll really believe all this ? Who will be the one to judge if some should be parents ? Who should not be able to home school their child and who should not ? Be careful what you say....! One day somebody may judge you.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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Children do NOT learn everything they need to know through osmosis. There DO need to be lessons.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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LOL Julianne, I actually find it incredibly funny that I had to have a board review and be approved to get a cat from the pound...but I can pop out as many kids as I want and do as I wish!!!

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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OK...I guess I take that back. You believe that it is your right NOT to educate your child?

A. Lorraine - posted on 11/26/2010

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Then the children follow their interests and learn that way. Children get education throughout the day with everything they see, do, hear, etc.

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100% agree there are so many things that should be regulated so parents don't teach their kids or feed their kids it. Its ridiculous. Maybe someday they will come out with a screening for those who are capable of being parents!

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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Julianne, I have no doubts that the kind of regulations that I'm talking about would not affect YOUR right to school your children at all.

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i haven't went back to collage as of now, i did receive on the job experience working for Microsoft. Just a+ and c++ nothing fancy...I'm in the process of becoming a birthing assistant through homeschool. I'm the teacher for myself :D

Tara - posted on 11/26/2010

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I have stated before that regulation is a good idea to keep people who shouldn't be homeschooling their children from doing so. Whether it is because they are illiterate or Christian Fundamentalists, there should be regulations in place.

That said, I do have the right to unschool my kids. I did my research, I know what I'm doing (or more accurately, not doing) I know that it works for my kids.

Oh and by the way, my kids have always had the option of school. They choose to stay unschooled in our community. So all of our rights are being respected in our home.

They have the right to be themselves free from the conformity and homogenizing nature of a public school system. They have the freedom to learn naturally.

They would pass and exceed all provincial standards if tested. So why should I need testing? They are clearly learning extremely well. They are ahead of the game on so many levels. Why should I need to waste my time learning the same stuff a teacher learns when I don't feel that kind of learning serves children as completely as a more relaxed approach to learning.

Anyhow, you go bang you head. I feel the same way when I hear people complain that their children don't get enough one on one with a teacher, or that their child spends more time socializing or being bullied than educated, or the best one yet, when I hear a teacher tell a parent that they don't have time to help all their students all the time.

Don't complain, do something. Teach your own.

Teach them to learn and they will teach themselves.

And you might just learn something along the way.

:) I'm off to listen to my 8 year old daughter read some classic poetry that she chose to memorize herself. Then I"m going to snack on the homemade Finnish Pulla Bread that my other daughter who is 10 made herself today.

After that I might go hang out with my 14 year old and listen to the lyrics he just put to the music he composed on his classical guitar. Which he taught himself to play.

We do very little book work, so yes I don't educate them the way you see education. But we see that ideal from polar opposites. They don't NEED book work and someone teaching/telling them information to learn.

They learn when they are actively engaged in what they are doing. It's my job to expose them to a wide variety a experiences and provide ample opportunities for them to explore their world and their interests.

To each their own. I'm raising my kids to be free thinkers who can choose to attend school in a school or attend school in their life all the time, every day in all they do.



Here's a link to a great site about worldschooling and has many links to unschooling sites, famous unschoolers and more information about us in general, please educate yourself before you judge others.

:)Happy schooling everyone!



edited to add the link I promised, lol

http://eligerzon.wordpress.com/2009/07/0...



Oh btw I'm not defensive, I"m too old for that. I've been doing this a long time and I'm confident in my choices. I just wish people would take the time to research their side of the debate prior to making accusations.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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Just proves the point that there should be regulations. What if those kids don't want to be farmers? What if they want choice?

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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Julianne, that was exactly my point, if we're giong to regulate to protect a child's basic right we need to include a basic right to health then also right? A basic right to LIFE, I'm not saying ban rice cereal, I support anyone's decision to use rice cereal, however stupid I think it may be, it's a parent's CHOICE, but you could easily argue it goes against a child's basic rights.

A. Lorraine - posted on 11/26/2010

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Yes I do agree.....that is their right as parents of the children. There is a lot of mathematics involved in farming. I know a very dear family that home school and do focus on their farm. The children are very intelligent, but best of all they are very Biblical and I admire them so much !

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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As a matter of fact, I am also a high-school drop out...and I went back to college later, so I'm certainly not judging you for that either.

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Rice cereal is actually a horrible first food for a child, it is loaded with carbs, the only nutritional value in the baby food form is synthetic. They put niacin in it, which causes flush. Fruits and veggies are the way to go. lol just wanted to throw that in there.





fast food....i cant believe any child is let eat that crap.I don't eat anything that comes from a box animal can and especially not a deep fryer ....

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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I am not personally suggesting formal education. I am suggesting that they need to be capable, and if they are not, then that child has a right to attend public school to receive an education that their parents may not be capable of providing. If they cannot pass a basic test and a basic interview, they are not capable of teaching their child IMO. You don't have to have a formal education to develop your skills and knowledge (as you well know).

Jenny - posted on 11/26/2010

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No, that woman has no business teaching English regardless of her native tongue. And if that happens to be English she needs a smack.

The child's right to education is FAR more important than the parents right to teach. The thought of religious people not teaching evolution frightens me and it does happen, some have admitted it on these forums.

I would also like to know what the government will do with the students who are not meeting their grade level requirements.

Julianne, i do know where your coming from, I'm also a high school dropout due to being unable to live with my mother for one second longer. I was skipped ahead in Science 10 and English 11 to an AP course. I did get an equivalency later on though and took some business courses at college. I've made up for it over the years.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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who said anything about formal education? I just said they should have to be able to pass the grade they are teaching.

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If someone like me is approved for homeschooling their child in Canada where regulations are tighter apparently than the U.S. Obviously there are people in the U'S who fall into this category, Why force them to pay extra money for formal education. When homeschooling is already expensive, the only thing that will accomplish is discouraging people from doing so.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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Who's rights are more important? Obviously the child's, but the parent's rights have to be in there somewhere too. Children have a right to a healthy lifestyle, but yet people bring their kids to McDonald's..and HEAVEN FORBID we ask McDonald's to lower the sodium in a happy meal! Who's rights are more important there? The parent's right to feed their child whatever crap they want? Or the child's right to be fed a nutritious meal every night and not have to potentially face a lfietime of obesity, heart disease and high blood pressure? Children have rights, yes, obviously, nobody is denying that, but parents have rights too and this is one of those things that you're focusing on such a small minority of children it's nearly laughable.
I stick to my belief, there are parents whom *I* think shouldn't be teaching their children, but it is there right to screw their kid up how they see fit, just like it's your right to screw up your kid if you see fit in other ways. (Such as feeding them fast food, refusing to allow them to take karate, feeding them rice cereal early, formula feeding, not reading to them for 20 minutes a day etc etc etc.)

A. Lorraine - posted on 11/26/2010

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I do not do well with Math.....but it's great sitting with my boys and figuring things out together. I am a product of Public School unfortunately : (

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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But Julianne, it isn't about you. You may be perfectly capable of teaching your child and giving her a broad education. This is about those who choose homeschooling and are NOT capable. There are many of those too. This is what we are trying to say. Shouldn't there be some sort of evaluation for the homeschooling parents before they are given permission to homeschool? You may not be qualified for anything, but even a basic interview with the parent and test for the basics would weed out those who simply should NEVER homeschool their children.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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A. Lorraine Bretzin, two women on this thread have stated that they have the right to choose to "educate" their children by either teaching them ONLY farming techniques or ignoring math because it's not really that important...do you agree?

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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I'm pretty sure you could pass a grade 2 test...and if you can't you should study until you can before you teach your child the grade 2 curriculum...that's all I'm saying.

A. Lorraine - posted on 11/26/2010

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Yes, there are many different curriculum to pick from and many books on the best curriculum for teaching style and the child's learning style. Also many home school groups to give help to those that need it. The parent should be able to choose the curriculum as they see fit.

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I didn't complete high school. That's why. I was asked to be skipped ahead when in elementary. I was an honors student, I NEEDED to end my high school career so i could support myself, pay bills/rent etc.I know that i would have graduated at the top of my class for the simple fact that i study for fun and retain information. I have no formal training in any area. As far as official education goes, im not qualified for anything. Even though I did drop out of school, i continued to study, about EVERYTHING not just one topic. Anyone who engages in an intellectual conversation with me is astounded when they find out i dropped out of high school. I have had university professors who were amazed with the knowledge i possess for my educational background. The point is i taught myself a lot. I'm not trying to brag and say im smarter than anyone, since everyone is created equal. just that i am perfectly capable of teaching my child everything she needs to know and then some.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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"Yes ! I think as a home schooling Mom I have the right to home school my children."

That is not the question. The question is whether you have the right to educate any way you see fit? That is a different question. It isn't about whether you should or should not homeschool. Should you be able to homeschool to any curriculum you choose? Should everyone have that right, even if your English is dismal? Or your maths is so basic you have trouble with your times tables?

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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One other question I have is, if your children are not passing the evaluations, what regulations are in place to deal with that?

A. Lorraine - posted on 11/26/2010

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Yes ! I think as a home schooling Mom I have the right to home school my children. I am their mother, gave birth to them and love them far more than a stranger in the public school system ever would.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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is that federally regulated? It was my understanding that many states had MUCH looser rules. I've never heard of the educator being evaluated before being allowed to teach at home.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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Julianne, what I have read is that the basic curriculum is optional. You have the "option" of purchasing a curriculum. Are you saying that the curriculum is compulsory, and that it includes the broader education provided to public schools students (eg, English, maths, literature, science, history, etc).? Or is it only an option to purchase it?

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there is a basic curriculum for home schooled children. Your saying they should have stuff that already exists.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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That was for Sarah, my question to you (since you believe that children deserve an education) why on earth would you be against making sure that the educator is qualified to teach?

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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I actually AM pro-home schooling myself, so long as the parent is qualified to do so. I think it is FAR superior to a public system in many respects...I simply feel (like you do I think) that more regulations need to be in place to protect those few who are at the greatest risk.

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ok.......im the one defensive,,,,lol, i never once said that oh you people are calling me down..i was pointing out my point of view. What i think, you can say all you want that their SOME are wackos who home school and need stricter regulations. I'm saying the same goes for public school, some teachers are not fit to practice and should be more closely monitored. If their were more resources to do so, that would be ideal, but sometimes you need to just give things a chance. I do believe that the testing that is done with home schooled kids is great. They are tested twice a year. To make sure they are up to par and for the parents to know where they need work



laura i was getting to that. the right is obviously with the child to experience the most fulfilling education they can possibly endure. I can assure you i dont beat my daughter or teach her the government is out to poison me...lol i was just saying there are teachers who are like this.

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" I AM going to keep asking until I get an answer from the pro-home schoolers...whose rights are more important, the mother's or the child's?"

The child's. Which is why I (a pro-homeschooler, though I'm not doing it with my own children) think regulations are a great idea. It will help keep a great educational option open to those who actually do it correctly.

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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and if a child in the school system is being neglected by their teacher, the child has an entire system of advocates starting with their parents, and including their guidance counselor and principal. If a child is being neglected by their teacher in a home school (WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NOT THE MAJORITY OF THE CASES) Who is THAT child's advocate?

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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I agree with your point that some teachers will abuse children too (extremely rare, yes). The difference is, in a school environment, this will generally come out at some point and it will be dealt with, because of monitoring, regulations and the unlikelihood that it can remain a secret for long. In a homeschool environment, who is regulating that?

Isobel - posted on 11/26/2010

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You didn't answer the question...you just insulted school systems. I can assure you that my kids school has NEVER had anything like that happen so...answer the question.

Jodi - posted on 11/26/2010

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Julianne, where the FUCK are you getting this from. No-one has aimed ANY of this at you. The debate is actually pointing out that SOME parents should not homeschool because, in your words they are "going to be bias and not provide the proper building blocks for education". That is not being judgemental. That is fact. SOME homeschoolers. See that word? SOME. The majority will do a wonderful job. But for the sake of the rights to education for EVERY child, should this not be regulated in some way so that EVERY child recieves a basic education? Not just a majority. EVERY child.

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