How do you view America?

America3437 - posted on 04/18/2012 ( 347 moms have responded )

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There are many women on here that are not from or living in America so I was curious as to how you view America.

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I am American, and I haven't seen anywhere that Meghan or Jodi said anything negative about America that was not true--at least to some degree. Granted, I haven't carefully read through all 17 pages, but I've skimmed, and was fairly present for the last few.



In reference to what Jodi said, HAVING certain beliefs and living by them is one thing, trying to force those beliefs on others through legislation, oppression, and hate is discrimination.

Just for the sake of example, lets consider Same Sex Marriage (SSM because I'm lazy tonight). SSM is against the rules for most Christians. It is their right NOT to participate in or perform ceremonies for Same Sex Marriages, and it is also their right not to recognize them as a God sanctioned union. SSM is NOT against the rules for many, many other religions (including a few Christian denominations), so they DO have the right to participate in and perform ceremonies for them. Those rights should not be removed through legislation just because one group thinks SSM is wrong.

No one is trying to force Christians to participate in Same Sex Marriages, but many Christians ARE trying to prohibit others, whether they be Christian or not, from participating or recognizing them through State issued legislation. That is a form of discrimination and oppression. Legislation that keeps Same Sex Marriages from being recognized by the State also limits health care to same sex partners which is discriminatory because if the partners were male/female partners, they would have full access to health insurance options.



Does that clarify the difference any?

I think most people know that we are, on an individual basis, not war mongering imbeciles with a death grip on our guns and Bibles, but unfortunately, that IS how we are perceived throughout the world. I personally am embarrassed by it, and when I travel abroad or up to Canada, or when I am debating on an international forum, I try my best to portray a good and respectable image of my country. If we ALL did this, perhaps we could change the world's perception of us.

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Stella you obviously know nothing about Canada or Universal Health Care. The government does not dictate who we can see for health care. If I don't like my doctor, I can change doctors. If I want to see a specialist, I need to ask my family doc for a referral, but can get it. In fact when my daughter needed to see a urologist, my doctor asked me which one I wanted to see. NO ONE gets "fined" for not "doing something" the government wants you too. That doesn't even make sense. Basically as Canadians, our provincial taxes (and a portion of our federal tax) pay for the health care of all citizens. If I fall and hit my head, have a baby, get in a car accident, or simply get old, those taxes that I paid will cover the cost of my care. I don't get fined if I decide I don't want it.



Yes, we have paid maternity leave through our Employment Insurance program. This is also paid for through our taxes. Every women is entitled to a full year of maternity leave, guaranteeing that her job will be there for her upon her return (an employer can not fire or lay off her position during her absence). It provides 55% of your regular income. In Canada, a portion of our paychecks is deducted for this program. You're not required to take it, but it's there if you so chose. It protects women's rights so that they don't have to worry about job security during an already stressful period of time in their life. It also allows women the opportunity to be at home with their child. Studies show higher success with breastfeeding and bonding and health for both Mom and Babe the longer the Mom is home with them. Please explain how this is a bad thing? It's not being irresponsible or expecting our government to take care of us because we put into this for a reason. (On a sidenote, EI is paid into by all employees because it's not just women on mat leave that can claim it, it is also for people who are laid off or injured).



It SHOULD be the governments concern whether you have a baby or not. You pay taxes. Your children will pay taxes. You and your kids are the future of your country, why not invest in it and take care of it? By your rationale, then the government really shouldn't care about any of it's citizens. Our government doesn't "take care of us" as you say, but they do WORK FOR US, and we hire them to look out for our best interests, including our health and safety.



It's a poor argument to say that your right to bear arms is protected by your Constitution so you don't agree with gun control. They were written during a time when people needed guns to protect their farmland and when you could get the death penalty for stealing a neighbour's turnip. Some laws from the past don't make much sense these days and need to be amended. When you have innocent people dying and rampant gang violence, perhaps the idea of limiting access to guns to protect those people isn't that bad after all?



Canada isn't a socialistic society. You may want to check your definition of what socialism is.



You say American's "stand out" for other societies. I'm sure you would be surprised to know that most other countries don't believe you stand up for them (which I think is what you meant). America has bullied other countries who don't share the same beliefs simply because they wanted to take advantage and control of their natural resources. When resources haven't been available to take, it's amazing how America isn't so willing to "help." Next time you visit Afghanistan or Iraq, be sure to meet some local women and ask them if they are so thankful for the help your country gave them after they had to bury their babies after American soldiers "accidentally" bombed their village. I'm sure they'll be so thankful. You may think they are oppressed because their beliefs are different than yours, but it doesn't make them wrong, just different. American's need to accept these differences and realize that what happens in another country is really none of their business.



We may be part of the Commonwealth, but it's like being part of a community. The Queen is our head of state, the governor general is her official representative, but we as Canadians still have the right to vote for our own laws and government representatives. By no means do I as a Canadian (nor do I know anyone else who) feel(s) oppressed by being a member of the Commonwealth.



Many people's problem is that there are people like you, so outspoken but ignorant of anything outside your narrow view of the world. Being outspoken is a great quality to have, but for goodness sake, please educate yourself before you start speaking out on things you don't know!



I realize you love your country, and that is great! A home is a wonderful thing to have and be proud of. By no means is ANY country perfectly run, otherwise all other countries would be taking a page from their book. There are many wonderful things about America. But there are also many bad things about America. Child poverty, infant mortality, population health, pointless military deaths, poor international relations, poor education, crime, homelessness. These are all things that really need to be worked on to really make your nation great. The thing that is sad to me is that America actually has the resources to resolve these issues, but they're too busy "fixing" their neighbours to worry about themselves first. I think America needs to focus on their own people before they focus on others.

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My favorite is how we help everyone out with their problems and they still don't like us.
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Um, as a US citizen I think the problem here is that we expect a bit too much for our help. We (as in the nation, not me personally) demand that you adore us and tell everyone how wonderful the US is and boy dont' we wish we were citizens too for every penny of help. I think US citizens ignore the other side of the help we offer in some countries. The part that shows us getting involved in the local governments where we try to decide who leads, not with that country's best interest at heart but with profit at heart.

I think we push ourselves as 'the greatest country in the world' just a bit too much. No matter how bad things are in another country, it must be galling to hear Americans say that over and over. I think the US is the best country - for me. I wouldn't want to live in certain nations but I also wouldn't want to ever live in certain US states.

I think we as a nation have a very elitist attitude towards the rest of the world. I can give a perfect example of how we are. Currently Apple is the most popular product for tablets and phones. However, they're all made by virtual slave labor in China with zero disregard for the workers' health or the environmental concerns. Tell that to the average iPhone or iPad user and watch their eyes glaze over. We just don't care. Oh sure, you'll see "Buy American'' but then the same people will instantly pick the cheaper product made by the same slave labor in China.

We're arrogant, we think we know best and we push our lifestyle on everyone else while disdaining other countries' standards of living. Just look at the lies told about Canadian Health Care system for a starting point.

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I'm American and I am freakin fantastic. Ok, enough about how wonderful I am. As much as I appreciate and adore aspects of the nation I was born in I am currently planning my defection to Canada. I have even come up with my own version of the Canadian National Anthem. Now if Canada starts to regress like America is I am defecting next to Australia. I may be a historian who specializes in Cold War History but I have no desire to regress and return to the 1950s. I need a TARDIS stat!!

Krista - posted on 06/03/2012

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Canadians getting care in the states are just line jumpers. I always hear from Americans just how MANY Canadians are seeking care down there (and I definitely know there are some)...but then, we never seem to bump into any Canadian willing to give up their UHC for lower taxes.

That's exactly it, Isobel. They're line jumpers. And it appalls me to think of a system where people can basically BUY faster treatment. Here, it's based solely upon medical need. So if you're a millionaire who needs a hip replacement, and your case isn't as urgent as that of the poor farmer down the road, then guess what? Farmer Bob will get his new hip before you do, Chuckles. And in my opinion, that's as it should be.

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Jenni - posted on 06/08/2012

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♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/08/2012

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America, the word you're probably searching for is c-h-i-c-K chic is a French word meaning fashionable and pronounced sheek.



Where pray tell have I been discriminatory? You're the one getting pissy over cookies, peanut butter and people giving their honest opinions on your country when you say the exact same thing about it.



And when I stated the part about guns it was in context with the topic about how people veiw America. You're the one who started the whole thing about why Americans 'need guns to protect themselves' and why guns are necessary.

America3437 - posted on 06/08/2012

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@ Megan... you actually started the whole gun control issue...Part of the reason that there is so much crime in the US is because of the lack of gun control laws there. There are States that allow you to purchase a gun just by walking into a store and you can purchase unlimited ammounts of ammo despite how many guns you have. Arizona is one of those states and that's where Gabrielle Gifford was shot last year. So if I were someone from another country I'd see people from the US (because Johnny's right America is a continent) as gun crazed religious wackadoodles.

I am not an angry person and guess my choice of words could make you think that. You are no better than me though you just choose your words differently.You are being very discriminatory and i don't appericate it.I NEVER went off the handle on anyone here except those of you who are attacking me. And where the hell did I say anything about a cookie? You gals like to twist things around to make yourselves look better but it ain't workin on this chic! Stop assuming that I am angry as you will know for sure!

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America3437 oh Jesus on a stick! the cookie thing came from a response to Stella and you had 3 posts exactly about it including one where I felt that the world would be a better place if we all had free access to homemade cookies and that was actually a serious comment. Next time, I'll specifiy that AMERICA would be better off if we all had free homemade cookies on demand.

Seriously, why are you angry all the time? You very likely don't realize it but that is how you come off.

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Control issues much America? You should be used to threads going off topic by now especially since yesturday you started the gun control one here. The WIC one is on topic IMO as is discussing food stamps. Two things I liked about the American system and two things the Canadian system lacks.

Sarah's right that you do a lot to perpetuate the stereotypes that many other people have about Americans. If someone says something you don't like you go off the handle. No one said you can't have your opinion, but others are entitled to theirs as well. You also seem to go off on people who have the same feelings about the US that you do simply because they're from foreign countries or live in foreign countries. You took my head off yesturday just because I'm an American living in another country and it confused you. The whole do as I say not as I do attitude is really getting old.

America3437 - posted on 06/08/2012

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Curse? The word hell? Really? How petty. BTW I curse all the time...not because I'm angry just because I have a potty mouth. Every ones post infer frustration here so why pick on me? I think I have a right to defend my country when people are bashing it but that doesn't mean I don't think they have the right to feel that way. America is a bully in my eyes. We push our military weight around yet our soldiers pay the price. We spend far to much money on foreign policy but can't take care of ourselves. Insted of worrying about what the rest of the world is doing we should be building up our home defense so when the rest of the world gets tired of us and decide to join forces(and they will) we have a fighting chance. i love my country but think the Government is full of rich assholes who never pay the price for the choices they make. sorry if that offends you.

Sarah - posted on 06/08/2012

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Well, in my world when people start using swear words to punctuate their point, it usually denotes anger. Many of your posts infer your frustration and defensiveness about people's opinions. Yes, you are entitled to yours, I think it's great you love your home, but people also have a right to answer honestly that they don't think well of it. I never said people think bad of it because of what you say, I said that you are doing little with your words to prove them wrong. If you're frustrated that the discussion is getting off topic, a nice reminder ("ladies, can we stay on topic please") would do far more to prove your point than swearing at people. I'm not "worrying" about you and your feelings or wasting my own precious time doing so. I am stating my opinion based on yours. This is what a debate IS after all.

America3437 - posted on 06/08/2012

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Sarah, I am not angry or concerned. I think Americans are given a bad image due to the media and not what I say! Boy if I have that much control why am I not in office? I disagree with some things that ahve been said but for the most part I think America is still the land of the free and home of the brave. You just waste your precious time worrying about me and my feelings. Glad to know I am so special..lol..

Get a grip...sarcasim is your friend. I started this topic because I wanted to know how people from other countries view the USA not to talk about bananas and peanut butter....start another thread if thats what you would like to discuss....that's all I said...How did you get.. angry and concerned about people's opinions of Americans from that?

Sarah - posted on 06/08/2012

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America, you seem so angry and concerned about people's opinions of Americans yet you always seem to do so little to prove them otherwise. It just seems odd to me that you ask a question then get so offended when people answer it, then continue to prove people's opinions right. They may be stereotypes, but your words themselves perpetuate them.

America3437 - posted on 06/08/2012

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I would like to know what the hell peanut butter and bananas have to do with this topic? Yesterday we had a MOD warning to stay on topic so why do the 3 of you insist on talking abpout pb and bananas? Do you some how think this didn't apply to you?

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Do you have peanut butter?

And would anyone like Banana bread? Lee finally noticed all the bananas in the freezer and flat out asked me when I was baking for him.
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hands out peanut butter cookie

Your cookie menu today includes peanut butter, white chocolate macadamia and good old fashioned molasses (mmmmmmmm)

Please help yourself.

I have an actual belief that people around the globe would behave better if they had access to homemade cookies at all times.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/07/2012

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LOL Janice I remember having so much peanut butter I could pave my driveway with it when I was on WIC! I also used to give my daughters' babysitter milk because we didn't use it all. Damn I miss WIC.You should start making peanut butter cookies. You'd use it up faster that way.

Canada has some good commercials that make coming to visit the US look like a very pleasant experiance. I just saw one on YTV.

America has better TV and better radio stations than Canada.

Janice - posted on 06/07/2012

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Kelly fantastic post. I wish my posts were as tactful!

America I think beyond the gun control issue you see America pretty clearly in that there is a lot left to be desired when comes to many policies. As someone who read all the posts afterwards I think you and Jodi and Megan got a bit riled up despite actually agreeing on some main points.

Yes, Megan I do have a peanut butter a whole cabinet full thanks to WIC, I would have to eat peanut butter with every meal in order to use the amount they give. LOL
And I sure would like some Banana bread - it would be much cheaper to ship to me if you were still in NY though ;)

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/07/2012

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Do you have peanut butter?

And would anyone like Banana bread? Lee finally noticed all the bananas in the freezer and flat out asked me when I was baking for him.

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Oh Jesus Tap Dancing Christ Stella, get over yourself. I reallize that it's not a popular sentitment in the USA (of which I am a citizen) to ever think we deserve criticism, certainly not harsh criticism but that would be a false way of thinking. The question was asked.

Now over the Canada thread, I stated that based upon 10 years of working in the biggest mall in my area (on the Canadian Border) that Canadians were by and large the rudest customers. So if that pleases you now that someone else got harsh crticism, you can settle yourself a bit.

Have a cookie or something.

Jodi - posted on 06/07/2012

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I'm not bashing. The question was, what do we think of America, and I am stating a fact. If you are a conservative Christian, I am sorry if I offended you. But the fact is, they are the ones currently running anti gay campaigns. In the past, they have been the ones running anti black campaigns. They also have a view of women that is disrespectful of women's rights.



I never ONCE said all Americans are like this. But your high population of conservatives who think like this are absolutely representative of your country, and you shouldn't like it either. Unless you are one of them of course, in which case, well, the truth hurts I guess.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/07/2012

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Oh pray tell, Stella. How can you say that conservative Christians are not discriminatory? Of course they are. They do NOT believe in birth control, abortion, sex out of wedlock and so much more. Not only do they not believe BUT they do their best to force those beliefs on others. They want to be able to ask personal questions, such as whether you use birth control, during job interviews. Now if that is not discriminatory, then I do not know what is.



It IS these people, that are in high population of the states, that try to push discriminatory bills. Bills that punish women from being able to do as they please with their own body.



ETA: To correct my spelling....

Lakota - posted on 06/07/2012

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Jodi, Megan enjoy posting your America bashing comments. Im done here. Very disappointing that you two feel the need to only post negativity about the US - comments about rudeness, discrimination, etc. What's funny is the Americans on here never said anything bad about other countries. But, we are the rude, discriminatory ones, right? Keep telling yourself that.

Thankful I'm not you.

Jodi - posted on 06/07/2012

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"Jodi, how did I know that you lived in another country? LOL "

Because it isn't rocket science? I said it a page or two back?

Lakota - posted on 06/07/2012

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Jodi, how did I know that you lived in another country? LOL

Christians aren't discriminatory for having their beliefs and living by those beliefs. Non-Christians have their beliefs too. Are they discriminatory for not believing in God and making judgements on Christians? Works both ways.

If you haven't lived here, you wouldn't know. If you haven't been to the other western nations in the world, give me a break. No thanks, but, I wouldn't care for statistics from your country.

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Sorry, I edited my post. I don't have time to elaborate right now (getting kids ready for school and have to go to work), but discriminatory behaviour and a high population of conservative Christians tends to have very high correlation, and these tend to be the ones perpetuating the discrimination. The US has a higher population of conservative Christians than anywhere in the western world.



Just so you know, my sources aren't random internet sources. I am teaching a Psych class on Prejudice and Discrimination at the moment - my resources are quite legitimate.

Jodi - posted on 06/07/2012

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Actually, I think you will find that the US has far more discrimination that most other western nations in the world. And most of this is because of the very high population of conservative Christians in your country. I could find the information for you, but statistics show that the higher the population of conservative Christians, the higher the discriminatory behaviour.

Lakota - posted on 06/07/2012

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No offense taken, Jane. Our local and federal govt folks are voted in by our people. They make the laws. If people don't like those laws or the folks in office, we vote them out. I find that most of the people who complain about our govt or laws are people who don't go out and vote. There is a lot of discrimination here - race, sexuality, religion, weight, age. But, that's every where in this world.

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I'm in England and my main view of America is that 'Land of the Free' is only applicable to some people in some states and seems to depend on what your local government (i.e. state law) says. Some states appear to be run by people who put their religion or beliefs first. At least here we have one government making the laws that govern our country and they do not appear to discriminate between what religion you may or may not believe in or what sexuality you may be. This view is taken from having spoken to people online who are atheist or gay (I'm not gay but have a lot of gay friends and I am atheist) and I realise they could be biased because of their experiences, but I have a lot of friends in this country and they have never had any similar experiences. Also these views appear to be supported by what I see in the news.

All that aside, I have been to the US 5 times (to Florida - best place when you have kids!) and I do find the service excellent and the people generally friendly, plus there is some stunning scenery.

No offense meant by any of this, btw - I was merely giving an honest answer to the question! :)

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America, I am confused also. She lives in Canada. Yay for her. I live in America. Yay for me. I want to visit Canada one day because it looks absolutely beautiful. Yay for me again. If you put down my country, you will get a response. If you aren't adult enough to handle that. Go away.

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You were being a hypocrite. You said why fight negativity with more negativity and then said I was making an ass of myself by posting untrue things.

"Actually, Jenni, the average life expectancy for Americans is 81.73." I work for the US govt. at an agency who oversees vital statistics in this country. So, what I posted is true about the life expectency here. Not concerned if you want to argue that point or not.

"So happy it's not the land of the socialists, home of the pacifist." Where does it say Canada? This post was directed to folks saying that they believe the US is gun happy and that socialized healthcare is a good thing.

America3437 - posted on 06/07/2012

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WHO did I bash and why? WTF are you talking about?

You just pick apart everything anyone that doesn't agree with you says. I try to agree with you on some points yet what I say is wrong. You confuse me lady!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/07/2012

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Lets's see Stella, what can I do with 3 minutes?

So happy it's not the land of the socialists, home of the pacifist.

Actually, Jenni, the average life expectancy for Americans is 81.73.



And the entire post wasn't just directed at you. So I'd thank you to not call me a hypocrite when all I did was speak the truth.

Lakota - posted on 06/07/2012

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Megan, you said this: Thank you, but here's the thing Stella, why fight negativity with more negativity?

Then you said this: There's sticking up for your country and then there's making an ass of yourself by making untrue statements. If you want to defend the US fine, but you should do so by making true statements instead of untrue ones such as claiming that Canada is a socialist country.

Sort of a hypocrite aren't you?

By the way, I never said anything that was untrue and I never said that Canada is a socialistic country. Please post something that I said that was untrue.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/07/2012

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Caitlin I can understand that. And trust me every country has some rude people. Here in BC I've encountered my share of inconsiderate drivers, rude sales people and pretty much everything you've seen in the US. IMO people in the Okanagan can't drive. I can also say that the rudest boarder guard I've met was from Canada and not the US.

But I do miss the great shopping and of course my friends and family. No country is perfect.

Caitlin - posted on 06/07/2012

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I'm hopping in a little bit late on this.. This is quite frankly what I think of America (and it's a bit ofa generalization of course).

Every time i've been there or met someonw while there i've found them incredibly friendly and easy to talk to. Very nice expoeriences cross border shopping. Everytime i've met one on vacation outside of Canada/US (like a few years back when I was on my honeymoon in Paris), they've been rude, loud, self centered and inconsiderate.. I have NO idea why that happens, maybe it's just bad luck, but wow...

I liked that when I went down there 5 months pregnant I was still one of the slimmest people there, so I find them (as I said in general) incredibly large, and fat kids make me shudder especially. I find them a tad cocky as a country (not individually, but politically) and they stick their noses where they don't belong a lot. I think they are now paying for spreading themselves too thin military wise, and though some things those countries are doing is heinous, you can't be everywhere at once or make yourself the "world police".

I have issues with the way their systems work in general, but there are some good things about it, so it's not all bad. Overall I think the people are fine, the country - I wouldn't move there...

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/07/2012

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LOL America, I hardly just chose to live in Canada- my husband is a Canadian citizen and he was finishing school here in BC. I got pregnant, had my baby in NY and moved my girls here last year. We prefer Canada to the US. I don't believe I should expect to have criticsim from everyone simply because of my nationality. Also if you wish you had the types of programs in the US that we have in Canada (although Canada could do with WIC and Food Stamps) then why bash the people who do use them?

Thank you, but here's the thing Stella, why fight negativity with more negativity? All you're doing that way is pretty much telling everyone that the stereotypes they've formed in their heads is correct IMO. Wouldn't it be better to instead say, yes but that's just what you see on TV and give examples of how they're wrong.

There's sticking up for your country and then there's making an ass of yourself by making untrue statements. If you want to defend the US fine, but you should do so by making true statements instead of untrue ones such as claiming that Canada is a socialist country.

America3437 - posted on 06/07/2012

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Wrong on which points? If an American chooses to live in another country then they should be prepared to face the critisim. I feel that America sticks it's nose in to many places it don't belong! Our politicians are greedy and big $ coporations control America! I do wish we could have some sort of assistance program like Canada but that will never happen because for the most part we vote idiots into office!

Lakota - posted on 06/07/2012

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I agree with you, Megan, on a few points made. But, seriously, the only reason I made any comments like I did was because of the non-Americans posting negative things about my country. Of course I am going to "stick up" for my country. I lived in two other countries, my parents are immigrants, and I grew up on military bases. I believe my country is the best as others who are from other countries think theirs is the best. It doesn't matter what I say or what someone else from the US says or comments on the internet, those who are determined to speak or think negatively about the US will - despite our actions. Some of the people in the two countries I lived in and have family in have made comments to me about Americans. I always thought it was funny because they had never been there. They just listen to what their news programs reported. If they want to think we are obsessed with guns, war, religion, and always being right,so what? Isn't that what they are doing? They think they are right in their ignorant views of Americans. Sticks and stones.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/07/2012

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LOL Thanks Meme, I'm going to take my passport and paste the Honourary Canadian paper on it :)

I'm going to try and give Little Miss a break by doing what she suggested.

Yes Stella, Canada wasn't involved in Afghanistan at all and never allowed American bound planes to land in their country. They didn't assist Britain in both world wars, they didn't assist the US when we asked to start a company of American and Canadian trained service men to start what was the precurser for the Green Berets where their troops were better trained than ours. They haven't kicked American military butt during war games. We also don't have a Democratic voting system because we have UHC and very good public assistance programs. All because Canada has UHC. *eye roll*

As for socialism. Public schools, Public safety workers, Public roads, Social Insurance, Medicaid, Medicare, Public Libraries. If you use any of these services, you've used a socialist program.

I see all this junk about how they're socialist and how we NEED OUR GUNS.and I'm thinking Dear God! This is what people think when they think of MY COUNTRY! They don't think of it as one of the oldest Democratic nations, they don't see it as a birth place of musical genres. They don't see it as a beautiful country with wonderful people and diversity. They see it as a bunch of red neck yokels shouting about guns and how everyone who wants accessable affordable health care promotes socialism. It's sad and emberassing. I don't like that this is honestly how people outside of the US see Americans, but it's true.

As individuals people from other countries struggle to get to know us as who we are instead of how the media and the blow hards in DC portray us. As a whole Americans are seen as brash, rude, selfish, ill informed, impolite and war mongers. You people who live in America and have no plans on either visiting or living in another country- the way people see you may be all well and good for you. But do you even stop to consider your fellow Americans who are ex pats living in other countries and how your actions even how you portray yourself on the internet affects us? It makes a huge impact on how a lot of us are veiwed. And it's insulting and aggrivating that instead of trying to make others see that Americans aren't obsessed with religion and guns and always being right that you argue even when you're wrong on so many points.

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Well MeMe you appear to be a fairly smart mom and I would hope that you wouldn't have it laying around for a 20 month old to get a hold of. He is too young now to learn but soon he will be old enough. My kids have been target shooting since 6. They respect gins and understand the importance of gun saftey. To each their own I guess.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/07/2012

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Megan, I can honestly say, you are considered a Canadian! ;) Welcome to the true land of the free. You will be safe in this Country not because of an ability or inability to posses guns but because YOUR Government, here, cares about YOU and so do ALL of your fellow Canadian citizens.... ;) We work together to do our best at making your Country a safe and plentiful one to live in. I hope you grow to really love it here, as most of us do.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/07/2012

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Land of the free? Tell that to all the righteous, religion seeking political party leaders trying to move bills to keep abortion, birth control and other sorts out of a WOMAN's reach, in the USA. Land of the free? Now, that is funny!

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/07/2012

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I can't teach my 20 month old gun safety and unfortunately he wouldn't be learning how powerful it is either. He most definitely could grab it, drop it and have it go off and kill himself or someone else, in the home. Sorry but I am all for gun control and I completely agree with Jodi. Way too many innocent people die from armed guns around the home. It happens all too often and it truly is sad.

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God Bless America!!! Land of the free, home of the brave. So happy it's not the land of the socialists, home of the pacifist.

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America, it is American citizens such as yourself who make it hard for other Americans to be taken seriously and causes them to have to prove to others that they aren't rude, gun toting, sociopaths. I find it offensive as an American that you consider other countries' laws and rules silly and pointless and decide to make light of children being killed by guns.



How does that make any sense? So you are saying I am a rude,gun toting,sociopath? Really,where did I imply any of that? I NEVER stated other countries had silly,pointless laws or make light of children being killed ? You draw this conclusion from where? Guns kill people,including kids, everyday and me saying that offends you? Guess you don't watch the news.

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How can you hear tone over the internet? I think we need to enforce that eye roll rule Heather had suggested.

Can I please call myself Canadian now? My 7 year old even has a paper from school declaring herself an honourary Canadian and she can only be Canadian if one parent is Canadian and I am willing to be that parent. I've been here nearly a year too! And I get my CCTB and my UCTB every month.

America, it is American citizens such as yourself who make it hard for other Americans to be taken seriously and causes them to have to prove to others that they aren't rude, gun toting, sociopaths. I find it offensive as an American that you consider other countries' laws and rules silly and pointless and decide to make light of children being killed by guns.

In New York you have to go through a background check and that takes a few weeks. We're also restricted on how much Ammo that we are allowed to purchase depending on how many guns we own. I grew up around guns, I learned how to shoot when I was twelve. But my dad taught me that guns aren't toys and are a PRIVLEGE not a RIGHT like so many Americans tend to believe based on our damn 2nd Amendment.

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It was rude in my opinion. The tone was rude. So because parents weren't responsible enough to lock them up I shouldn't be allowed to own one? It is up to the parent's to teach their children about gun saftey and how to properly handle one. Were the kids ever taught gun saftey or allowed to shoot one to understand it's power? If the child commited suicide it wasn't the guns fault. That kid would have done it with out a gun more than likly if he wanted to die that bad. What if he would have cut his wrists? would we need knife control?

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"Why would you even ask in such a rude manner. "



Rude? It was just a question. Not sure how you got rude out of it. I didn't ask anything rude, just a genuine, straight up, direct question.



And I'll be honest, I still can't see why you need a gun ready and loaded. More family members get killed because of easily accessible loaded guns than any other gun death.



Do you know I know 2 people who have died from gunshot wounds. Both because their guns were easily accessible guns belonging to others. One was a 12 year old girl, shot by her boyfriend because daddy left the gun out, fully loaded, and they decided to look at it. The other was a teen who suicided with his father's gun. If both had been locked up, not loaded, and separated from the ammo, it would never have happened.



I know someone else who survived one - he survived a wound from a massacre here that triggered our gun control laws.

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Hell I would need a gun there to protect me from the crocs and snakes...lol

America3437 - posted on 06/07/2012

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Why would you even ask in such a rude manner. So if they were armed that justifies my need to feel safe. I don't get it. I was home alone with three small children and someone wiggled the door knob then moved over to the living room window at which time i simply stated that I had a gun and would blow their fucking head off if they made it in! I was a teen at home alone with my brother one night and someone pulled the bottom of the front door open and tried to stick their hand in to unlock it. when that didn't work they climbed on top of the house and tried pulling the screen off the window so I grabbed my little brother and ran next door to my husbands house(his grandpa was police commisioner) and he called one of his guys out and when they got there the man ran down the street. Turned out to be my step dad trying to get in to kill my mom.

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