How do you view America?
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Sarah - posted on 06/03/2012
Even though you have to change your healthcare if you move between provinces, you are covered for 3 months after you moved by your home province. Also, if you visit another province you are covered too. We live in BC and visited my sister in Alberta in December and needed to take my son to a hospital. It was covered anyways.
â¥âªMeganâ«â¥ - posted on 06/03/2012
What I miss about my home town in upstate New York besides my friends and family :
♥ Better shopping
♥ Better drivers
♥ Amusement parks
What like about living in my new city in BC
♥Walking distance for almost everything
♥ Better public schools
♥ knowing that I will be paid more than double for the same job I did in NY
♥ Having something to look at when I don't have to drive.
Stella medicaid isn't available for everyone as Jenni already stated. When I lived in NY I worked pre-diem as a care aide making 9$ an hour and I was denied coverage for making too much. The only reason they would cover me was because I was pregnant and even then temporarily. Then I was dropped without notice before finding out I had to have surgery done. Thankfully the hospital I went to had some type of program to help uninsured patients and my OBGYN (God bless her) helped to get me 100% covered.
Here in Canada our government doesn't get to make decisions about who we go see or what meds we take while using our provincial insurance or even where we get treatments or surgeries. I have a friend in AB who has to drive to Edmonton for cortizone shots and her insurance reimberses her for her 3hr drive. The downside on our UHC is we can't use it for elective surgeries and experimental drugs and treatments. That has to be either through private insurance or out of pocket. That said each provincial plan varies. You also have to change provincial plans when you move from one province to another. My MIL's boyfriend moved from AB to BC last year and although he was still covered by his AB insurance he had to put in new paperwork for his BC care card since he was now a resident of BC paying taxes to BC instead of AB.
Canadians and others in countries with UHC don't have to worry about being fined because they are automatically covered since they're citizens of that country. UHC (which is not what Obama was suggesting nor is it what they have in Mass.) is paid for by income taxes and therefore won't run out of money. It is also not available to new immigrants or illegal immigrants since they don't pay taxes.
Jenni- I think my MIL's boyfriend having to change his provincial care card may apply. Also I think if you're going to the US or traveling you may have to contact your province to see what you will get covered in another state or province. My husband was only allowed so much coverage when he came to visit me in New York. Does that help?
Jenni - posted on 06/03/2012
I'm not sure if you are referring to America3437 most recent post or an older post I missed. Her most recent post said that there are a lot of ignorant people in this "world", not in America. I believe she was defending her fellow Americans and saying "ignorance" isn't exclusive to America in response to another poster. That most Americans are *not* ok with the current HCS in America.
Kristi - posted on 06/03/2012
Ok...I was not even going to post on here because most of the comments were pretty fair and understandable. I agreed with many points of view. Then I started getting to the more recent comments and my blood pressure started to rise.
First of all, I'm bad at remembering who said what about this or that but if it is extremely significant to what I have to say I will look it up, otherwise I hope you can figure out where I'm pulling some of my stuff from. It is also very late and I've probably been on here too long already but I'm just going to go with it.
There are a couple of moms that very nicely and factually explained the Canadian healthcare system. Thank you for that. I did not know how it worked. I had heard good things and now I know why! I am very blessed currently, my semi ex-husband has kept my daughter and me on his health insurance plan through UPS. That is worth more than gold. He doesn't have to pay for it because it is included in his benefits package. We have $10 co-pays for doctor visits, FREE perscriptions, excellent dental, like I said, worth more than gold and we are grateful! One of the biggest reasons being, that I happen to be one of America3437's fat assed people on disabilty and my medication expenses would be over $20,000/year without insurance. Yes, I would qualify for Medicare but most mental health facilities that treat my illness don't accept it, most of my perscriptions aren't covered by it and the out-of-pocket costs from it would leave us homeless. So to say our country needs healthcare reform is an understatement.
In fact, one mom said we (America) need to take care of ourselves first, I agree with her. I'm proud that as a Nation we will stand up for the little guy or that we will defend ourselves in the face evil but if we don't take care of our own home, we won't do anybody any good anywhere. I also agree with the many comments about the things plaguing our nation, especially those concerning our children. It is very frightening. I am very worried about the direction our children are headed and I'm not blaming parents. We are all playing a role in the downfall of this nation. We've become desensitized to sex and violence. Our kids are participating in both activities before they even hit their teens and parents (not all ) are accepting it, because it's going to happen anyways, and it gets glorified in our media and so on. Our jails and prisons are over crowded so criminals are being set free right and left. Even if there was room, we don't have tough enough penalties for crimes against women and children. Most of our laws make it so hard to "PROVE" guilt, with this technicality and that loophole, a criminal could be sitting there with I sign in his hand that says I DID IT and he would get off because the police officer forgot to tie his left shoe before he read the bad guy his rights. It is so frustrating! And yes, we have too many rich politicians who are self serving.
But, this country was in one hell of a mess before President Obama took over. One man did not create our economic debt, our lack of educational resources, our unemployment rate, our crime rate or any of the other problems facing us today. One man cannot clean it up in 4 years by himself either. Everybody, from the lowest of the low to the President needs to do their part to restore this great nation. Our troops are coming home, there is more awareness to their needs now, than ever before and people are stepping up, LGBT are now allowed to get married and enjoy the same civil rights afforded to straight couples, Osama bin Laden is dead because of the decision of our leader and the courage and skills of our soldiers.
So yes, "America3437" our country may be down right now but we are far from out. And you can sit on here and tell us how ignorant we are but let me ask you this, do you even know one answers to any one of the questions you're putting out there to incite anger and fear? Incidentally, if you think you can do a better job at running this country, may I suggest you go back to grammar school and learn how to spell and perhaps pick up a few other secrets to the English language before you try this out in reality?
I am much like this country in that I am flawed and need fixing but I accept others for who they are (unless, of course, they appear threatening or harmful) and I don't give up when the chips are down. We all have had ups and downs. And I'm sure many of us have visited "greener pastures." But in the words of Dorothy Gale-"There is no place like home." Home of the free and land of the brave. What do you think the Vets that you so adamently protest on behalf of, have been fighting for...a new dairy queen? I am doing my part to make a better life for my daughter and for those we meet. I feel that our President and many others are doing the same. If you don't want to do your part and/or you hate it here so much, get out.
Sorry this went on so long everyone...the floodgates fell open!
Isobel - posted on 06/02/2012
no, my link has been removed...too bad too :( It was interesting.
Americans tend to have a stronger response to injustice (being cheated), where Canadians have a stronger response to injustice (peopledoing without unnecessarily).
Isobel - posted on 06/02/2012
I watched this the other day (no, not all Canadian television is THIS dry) but I found it interesting to see an explanation of the differences in the way Canadians and Americans think AND the way democrats and republicans think.
We have healthcare for people who can't afford it already - it's called Medicaid. I don't want the government telling me who to see and when. And I certainly don't want to be fined if I refuse something the government feels it can force on me.
Medicaid is not what you say it is. In NYS, for a family of 2 (single mom and kid) your gross monthly income must be below $918.00
Family Healthy Plus which is the next step up for the same family. Your gross monthly income cannot exceed: $1,892
Healthy New York which is teh plan pushed by the state for uninsured families and small businesses (which also has a deductible of $1200/$2400 (single/fam). After the ded it's copays and has a lot of exclusions such as NO mental health treatment including prescriptions is covered, no ambulance, no out of the area except dire emergencies and had a pre-existing exclusion (kids under 19 exempt thanks to the health care reform). For this lovely plan, your monthly income cannot exceed: $3152.
Now if my employer suddenly stopped offering insurance (which many companies do), I would not be elgible for ANY of those plans. The only other plan that I'm familiar with that you can purchase on an individual level by my employer costs over $3500 PER MONTH for family coverage.
Ok - should my company no longer offer benefits to us (lets' assume for the moment that I don't work for the insurance company but say a collections center. ) I would have absolutely NO alternative but to go uninsured.
So to say that there is insurance available is not exactly true once you know the figures involved.
America3437 - posted on 06/01/2012
@ Janice....There are alot of people in this world that are ignorant!! The average American hates our healthcre system but are up aginist those high paid executives and rich ploiticans. I am terrified of our future. We need change but have no way of getting it. Money controlls our ellections so if your not rich you have no voice! I feel that myself or any average American can do a better job! The people here have no voice! America is to scared to take a leap of faith. I wish I had the money to run for President! There would be alot of much needed overdue changes! I am tired if paying for our politicans to take vacations! How many times has our current President taken vacation? How about our state officals? I think the officals we ellect in office should be paid an hourly wage! I think they should pay for their own gas and pick up the tab for lunch themselves,not my tax money. How many wasted dollars have been spent on this so called war? Social Security is on its way to neal and we just allow any fat ass to get disiblity check from my tax money but people like my mom are having to choose between food and medicine because the United States Government doesn't care! Why should they, We pay for their healthcare. Where is the help for our soldiers that come home from war so fucked up in the head that they commit suicide. What about our Vetrens who wait in line for hours to receive poor quility healthcare. WTF!! We need a change now but are prisoners of our government!
Teresa - posted on 06/01/2012
Just asking this one question will obviously lead onto many more questions about America, which compared to many other countrys, is a fairly young country ,and evolving and changing as much as the people who live there, I would say that again like so many countrys mistakes have been made, but also some wonderful and life changing events have occured.
There are many people around the world who I am sure are very grateful that America has stepped in at a time when no one else dare, if they had not a lot more lives could of been lost and many more inprisoned and their human rights ignored. One might argue that America is quick to answer to issues that they have no concern with, and thoughts and reactions are to quick, personaly I beleive there are times when it is better to be proactive than reactive, if this had been the case in the 2nd world war such horrors may have been avoided, and many more lives saved.
I have seen and watched many changes happening in America, some met with loud applause and a willingness to meet any challenge and change that a new administration brings, I have also seen many blocks and unwillingness to move with other changes that have happened with other progressive countrys around the world, such as same sex marriage. Americans have opened their country to those who seek exceptance ,equality and freedom to live and thrive with their familys without predjudice, however human nature and human emotion sometimes work against this opportunity given so freely by America.
There are so many Americans both past and present that are proud and quite rightly ,of thier countrys acheivments and freedom, the American dream, is still very much a dream for so many, and yet dreams can fill so many with hope and optimisim for future generations of what is a beautiful and amazing country.
Janice - posted on 05/31/2012
Stella - you are not alone. Sadly, lots of American's are as ignorant as you are.
You say you do not want the government to make decisions about your healthcare but you are perfectly okay with the high paid executives at health insurance companies making those decisions? My husband pays thousands per year for our insurance company to tell us which doctors we can and cant see and which medications we can and can not get.
I'm too worked up to respond logically or with out attacking you concerning your other ideas, so I will stop there.
Jenni - posted on 05/31/2012
Stella, you have a gross misunderstanding of our healthcare system in Canada.
"We have healthcare for people who can't afford it already - it's called Medicaid."
-UHC isn't for low income families, it's for everyone and covers emergency care, pregnancy and delivery, family physician visits, tests, surgeries etc. Everything BUT prescription, dental and eye care. Those are usually covered by your work insurance/private insurance or out of pocket. For low income families, in my province we have a version of medicare called the Trillium program which covers those things that UHC does not.
"I don't want the government telling me who to see and when. And I certainly don't want to be fined if I refuse something the government feels it can force on me." -- the government does not force anything on us and we choose who we see. We choose our family doctors/specialists, we choose if we want to accept and decline treatment or medication. Fined? huh? We don't get fined for anything. I've never heard of that before.
"It is not the governments fault or concern if I choose to have a baby. It's called being prepared and being an independant person. The majority of us don't want the government taking care of us"
- *WE citizens* support the government through our tax dollars. We give them our money and they use it to provide all of us with benefits. It is OUR money. I would be asking the question of what does your government do with *your* money if it is not using it to benefit its citizens? Oh, that's right... they use it to bail out mega corporations that then give nothing back to your economy and leave you in an economic disaster.
The difference is we do not pay some private insurer who is out to make profit, exploit and take advantage of us. I would not be proud to be taken advantage of by some mega corporation who puts a price tag on my life, sorry. I know how private insurers work and they are scumball scammers.
ETA: Can anyone else who has UHC think of any situations other than renewing our health cards every 4 years where we interact with our government or our government says anything to us concerning our medical care?
I certainly can't. The only people I deal with are doctors, nurses, specialists and hospital staff. I have never heard from our gov't whatsoever concerning my health or concerns. However, I *do* deal with my insurance company when it comes to dental and eye care. So I imagine that's what it's like in the US every time you need medical care? You have to go through your insurance (the middle man)? UHC cuts out the middle man so that the only people concerned with our health are medical professionals/staff.
Sarah - posted on 05/31/2012
Stella you obviously know nothing about Canada or Universal Health Care. The government does not dictate who we can see for health care. If I don't like my doctor, I can change doctors. If I want to see a specialist, I need to ask my family doc for a referral, but can get it. In fact when my daughter needed to see a urologist, my doctor asked me which one I wanted to see. NO ONE gets "fined" for not "doing something" the government wants you too. That doesn't even make sense. Basically as Canadians, our provincial taxes (and a portion of our federal tax) pay for the health care of all citizens. If I fall and hit my head, have a baby, get in a car accident, or simply get old, those taxes that I paid will cover the cost of my care. I don't get fined if I decide I don't want it.
Yes, we have paid maternity leave through our Employment Insurance program. This is also paid for through our taxes. Every women is entitled to a full year of maternity leave, guaranteeing that her job will be there for her upon her return (an employer can not fire or lay off her position during her absence). It provides 55% of your regular income. In Canada, a portion of our paychecks is deducted for this program. You're not required to take it, but it's there if you so chose. It protects women's rights so that they don't have to worry about job security during an already stressful period of time in their life. It also allows women the opportunity to be at home with their child. Studies show higher success with breastfeeding and bonding and health for both Mom and Babe the longer the Mom is home with them. Please explain how this is a bad thing? It's not being irresponsible or expecting our government to take care of us because we put into this for a reason. (On a sidenote, EI is paid into by all employees because it's not just women on mat leave that can claim it, it is also for people who are laid off or injured).
It SHOULD be the governments concern whether you have a baby or not. You pay taxes. Your children will pay taxes. You and your kids are the future of your country, why not invest in it and take care of it? By your rationale, then the government really shouldn't care about any of it's citizens. Our government doesn't "take care of us" as you say, but they do WORK FOR US, and we hire them to look out for our best interests, including our health and safety.
It's a poor argument to say that your right to bear arms is protected by your Constitution so you don't agree with gun control. They were written during a time when people needed guns to protect their farmland and when you could get the death penalty for stealing a neighbour's turnip. Some laws from the past don't make much sense these days and need to be amended. When you have innocent people dying and rampant gang violence, perhaps the idea of limiting access to guns to protect those people isn't that bad after all?
Canada isn't a socialistic society. You may want to check your definition of what socialism is.
You say American's "stand out" for other societies. I'm sure you would be surprised to know that most other countries don't believe you stand up for them (which I think is what you meant). America has bullied other countries who don't share the same beliefs simply because they wanted to take advantage and control of their natural resources. When resources haven't been available to take, it's amazing how America isn't so willing to "help." Next time you visit Afghanistan or Iraq, be sure to meet some local women and ask them if they are so thankful for the help your country gave them after they had to bury their babies after American soldiers "accidentally" bombed their village. I'm sure they'll be so thankful. You may think they are oppressed because their beliefs are different than yours, but it doesn't make them wrong, just different. American's need to accept these differences and realize that what happens in another country is really none of their business.
We may be part of the Commonwealth, but it's like being part of a community. The Queen is our head of state, the governor general is her official representative, but we as Canadians still have the right to vote for our own laws and government representatives. By no means do I as a Canadian (nor do I know anyone else who) feel(s) oppressed by being a member of the Commonwealth.
Many people's problem is that there are people like you, so outspoken but ignorant of anything outside your narrow view of the world. Being outspoken is a great quality to have, but for goodness sake, please educate yourself before you start speaking out on things you don't know!
I realize you love your country, and that is great! A home is a wonderful thing to have and be proud of. By no means is ANY country perfectly run, otherwise all other countries would be taking a page from their book. There are many wonderful things about America. But there are also many bad things about America. Child poverty, infant mortality, population health, pointless military deaths, poor international relations, poor education, crime, homelessness. These are all things that really need to be worked on to really make your nation great. The thing that is sad to me is that America actually has the resources to resolve these issues, but they're too busy "fixing" their neighbours to worry about themselves first. I think America needs to focus on their own people before they focus on others.
MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/31/2012
Stella---We have healthcare for people who can't afford it already - it's called Medicaid. I don't want the government telling me who to see and when. And I certainly don't want to be fined if I refuse something the government feels it can force on me. We have maternity leave - just not paid maternity leave unless you have enough sick or annual leave saved up at work. It is not the governments fault or concern if I choose to have a baby.
You obviously have no clue how it works in Canada. Me, being a Canadian for 36 years can tell you that everything you have stated is incorrect.
UHC is wonderful and many Americans WISH they had the same. We are not forced to see a specific doctor. We get to choose at anytime. Sometimes we get referred but if we don't like the doctor we can request a different one. Also, we DO get 55% of our annual salary paid (at a max of 55% of $45 000 salary). However, no one pays into that but the worker themselves. We have a thing called E.I (employment insurance), when you work, a certain amount of your pay goes to this. It is for more than just mat leave, it can be for disability leave or if you lose your job. So, the lady that goes on mat leave is the one that paid into her monies she receives while off.
Seriously, before you start making incorrect claims about anywhere, you should learn about it first.
Everything I have said about America and it's political system is accurate. Just ask a logically thinking fellow American!
Lakota - posted on 05/31/2012
Hi Becky. I hope you don't get offended by anything I am going to say. I do agree with some of the things you say. I don't agree with universal health care. We have neighbors here from Canada who hated the healthcare system you have. We have healthcare for people who can't afford it already - it's called Medicaid. I don't want the government telling me who to see and when. And I certainly don't want to be fined if I refuse something the government feels it can force on me. We have maternity leave - just not paid maternity leave unless you have enough sick or annual leave saved up at work. It is not the governments fault or concern if I choose to have a baby. It's called being prepared and being an independant person. The majority of us don't want the government taking care of us. Where is the self pride in that? There are many things that should be the rights of every human being. Being hand held by government isn't one. Our right to bear arms is protected under our Constitution - so I don't believe in gun control. Our hard earned money does pay for other people. It is called Welfare and Medicaid. We don't want a socialistic country - so yes, we are concerned about "our way of life and our rights". Many good men died for our rights to be free of England and the Queen/King. Our "dissension between the parties" is part of what makes this country great. Our ability and yes, "our right" to speak our minds, stand our ground for our beliefs is wonderful - yes, even if it means some push and shove. That is why we stand out to so many other countries. I have dual citizenship also - France and America. My relatives in France call Americans "hot headed cowboys". Give me that any day over Socialism and passiveness.
Becky - posted on 05/30/2012
I love visiting the US. I find your cities much more interesting than most Canadian cities. I like going down to shop, because the exact same items are half the price as they are here! (Which is ridiculous!) Your housing prices, in some areas anyway, are insanely low compared to here - or ours are just obscenely high. Seriously, you can get 3 times the house and yard I have (and I have a nice house and big yard!) for 1/3 of the price! I know that's actually a symptom of the faltering economy though. My mom is American, so I have family in the US, and I grew up going to an American school (overseas, not in the US), so most of my childhood friends are from the US. Although they're all "3rd culture kids" like I am, we're kind of a unique breed. :)
But, although I often tell dh we should move to the US because of housing prices (and I could easily obtain dual citizenship since my mom is an American citizen), in actuality, I wouldn't. Much of what I don't like about the US has already been said here - your lack of universal health care, your lack of maternity leave, the lack of regulation on firearms, the interference in other countries and wars, and your government. I am certainly aware that not all Americans are the same, just as not all Canadians are the same, but the overall culture is very individualistic, much more so than it is here. It's all about "me and my rights." Thus, the lack of universal health care and universal paid maternity leave, because people don't want their "hard earned money going to pay for someone else." Thus the "gun culture", it's all about "protecting what's mine and my way of life." And the partisanship in your government! Geez! I don't follow American politics that closely, and I wouldn't call myself an Obama supporter, but from what I see, there is so much dissension between the parties that the guy could come up with a way to ensure world peace and the Republicans would still fight him on it! The US is supposedly the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world, yet your child poverty rates are higher than any other developed nation. That is shameful. When Katrina hit, CAnadians came to the aid of survivors before your own government did. I am all for foreign aid and taking care of those less fortunate than ourselves, but it is a sad state of affairs when a country as wealthy and powerful as the United States is cannot take care of its own citizens. I think that living there, I would always fear what would happen to me and my family if I were to get ill or injured. Here, I don't worry about that.
Crystal - posted on 05/30/2012
I have to say as a woman born and raised here my view is not the popular one. I think it has come down to those who have and those who do not. A great nation in the day is slowly rotting at the bottom of the barrel.
I take a look around and see nothing but people sitting back and demanding everything be giving to them. But don't wont to work or fight for the right to it. Americans are fast to judge on the basis that people look different or speak funny.
On the other hand we are fast to stand united if we are under attack or feel like we are. We will help those we know and even those we don't. What this country was fondered on is long gone and soon life as we know it will be to. I don't think as a nation we will last much longer unless people stop thinking of one and start thinking of ALL.
STella, I'ma proud Yank too but you just demonstrated one of our problems. Many countries ask us for help, not off of them get it. Rwanda didn't get anything becuase they have no resources and it wasn't politically expedient to do so.
This next bit isn't related to Stella's post though.
I think the US's behavior towards Communist countries is laughable. We hate hate hate Communism, unless....it's China where they let us in with Apple and McDonalds. We hate hate Cuba because they won't allow our businesses there. Now they both tend to treat their people teh same way and they'e both communist to the core but we like one but not the other.
Lakota - posted on 05/25/2012
America is awesome!!! Of course there are good aspect and bad ones. But, when I look at what is going on around the world - including Europe, I will keep America. What's funny to me is that the people on here that will put down America, live in countries that cry for our help when something goes wrong. America has it's problems, but, it is HOME OF THE BRAVE.
Before I travelled to America I had a very narrow view of Americans. We saw Jerry Springer, Hollywood and those awful soaps featuring rich Americans. The media coverge in my country of citizenship tends to focus on the very rich, the very poor, the criminal and the disfunctional. Most Americans are not like this, most Americans are normal.
Their driving is worse than I'm used to and they tend to have more hissy fits when they recieve bad service of any kind. They make up for this by being more open minded than Europeans and they're more optimistic. Every culture has its positive and negative things. Americans are not perfect, but they're OK.
Isobel - posted on 05/18/2012
The Governor General is the Queen's representative in our government, and yes, she MUST give assent if we want to pass a law. It was only a couple of years ago that our three parties couldn't come to an agreement, and the PM threatened to shut it down and ask the Queen to decide.
Jenny - posted on 05/17/2012
I will second Megan on the bad drivers. It's insane here in Kelowna.
From what I have heard about the US I have no desire to go there. Friends of mine were accosted by a TSA agent last week on a stop over in Texas coming home from Mexico because she had an American passport but is a Canadian resident. The agent was in her face telling her she should go back to America. WTF?
I just can't get on board with the ra ra we are the best patriotism. To me, patriotism is racism with a flag. It separates us into our bordered groups and we're supposed to cheer for our side to win. But really we're all on the same side. I consider myself a citizen of Earth first.
The politics also terrifies me such as the War on Women and the blind hatred of your black leader (because that is where it's coming from). I'm also scared to get hurt there, I'll keep my health care thankyouverymuch.
Janessa - posted on 05/17/2012
To be honest I do not like America. They are great Americans but majority are crazy everyone has to agree with them if you do not they hate on you. My son father is half American so he has many crazy right republicans or crazy far left. I do not agree America always putting there nose in everyones business making everyone follow them if you do not then you get cut off. Example Cuba and my home country Haiti. Your government says you are for human rights then do not preach what you do not pratice. To be honest the American media is horrible negative view about everything from race to other countries but America is the best can't do nothing wrong attitude. America should mind there own business period. Maybe the world would like you allot better. Like the middle eastern wars. I bet majority of Americans have no idea why there government went to war. It is not to save its citizens from 911 but for greed. It was for oil money, gold greed. They killed the dictators they put into powers. But when the dictators do not want to follow the American way they get murder and they whole country has pay oh what happen in Haiti, North Korea, middle east and Libya. Like backing Isreal which is a racist state and hateful one to. American wants to play the good guy but your government is evil very evil no differnt then hitler. How come people in America are letting there government put families on to the streets. When big pay outs for greedy coruptions get everything and tax breaks. I am not against Americans I am just aginst your government everywhere needs change but America is a bully.
MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/17/2012
Meme, get over yourself. I never said that you needed to change your closed minded opinion of America just because I said so.
Megan, I think you need to step down off your righteous trip. You have been debating with me, insisting that perhaps I should have an open mind and maybe you would be able you change my perception. If that isn't saying, that I should listen to what MEGAN says and change my mind because she thinks differently, than I don't know what is. You have insinuated that, just because I know people that are Americans that I would not have an accurate sense, to make a view, such as the one I have. I am not a fool, Megan. I watch the news, I read the paper, I went to school. I have "real people" family members that are American and I work with over 100 Americans, personally (even though, there are approx. 12 000 (out of 30 000) employess, with the Company I work for, that are Americans). I don't have to live there to be on the up and up, as you seem to believe. If I had the same opinion as you, you would have no issue with my not living there, now would you? You are also, beginning to make my view much more apparent, that some Americans can have a really hard time with others that do not agree with them. ;)
I am sorry if you don't like it but the fact is there are MANY more people that think the exact same way as me. Some are even Americans!
Oh and on the bad drivers, aspect. You haven't made it to NS or the Maritimes yet. You would be blown away with how shitty of drivers many are here....but they are absolutely wonderful people. Which is a large part of the reason for their shitty driving. They want to let everyone in and don't care if they have to slam on the brakes to do so. LOL
MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/17/2012
While several powers are the sovereign's alone, because she lives predominantly in the United Kingdom, most of the royal governmental and ceremonial duties in Canada are carried out by the Queen's representative, the governor general. In each of Canada's provinces, the monarch is represented by a lieutenant governor, while the territories are not sovereign and thus do not have a viceroy.
Per the Canadian constitution, the responsibilities of the sovereign and/or governor general include summoning and dismissing parliament, calling elections, and appointing governments. Further, Royal Assent and the royal sign-manual are required to enact laws, letters patent, and orders in council. But the authority for these acts stems from the Canadian populace and, within the conventional stipulations of constitutional monarchy, the sovereign's direct participation in any of these areas of governance is limited, with most related powers entrusted for exercise by the elected and appointed parliamentarians, the ministers of the Crown generally drawn from amongst them, and the judges and justices of the peace. The Crown today primarily functions as a guarantor of continuous and stable governance and a nonpartisan safeguard against the abuse of power, the sovereign acting as a custodian of the Crown's democratic powers and a representation of the "power of the people above government and political parties."
The Monarchy as a Political Symbol
Does the Queen have any power over Canada? It’s a common question, but the answer is a little complicated. On the one hand, the Queen doesn’t do much. She visits Canada only rarely — once every three or four years at best — and when she does, her primary purpose is simply to cut ribbons, shake hands and smile for photographers.
Canadian immigrants are required to take an oath of allegiance to the Queen before they can become citizens. The same oath of loyalty must be taken by judges, politicians, soldiers and other high-ranking officials.
On the other hand, the Canadian Constitution grants sweeping political powers to the Queen, and declares that “the executive government and authority of and over Canada” is vested in her. Among other things, she is said to be the head of Canada’s parliament and the commander-in-chief of the Canadian armed forces.
These two seemingly contradictory situations work together because Canada is what they call a constitutional monarchy, in which the monarch agrees to delegate her powers to the nation’s elected politicians, rather than use them herself. In Canadian law, the impressive powers of the Crown are thus formally held by the Queen but lent to other people, mostly the Prime Minister of Canada, who governs on the “Queen’s behalf” and passes laws in her name using the authority of the Crown. Canadian laws are often full of reference to Her Majesty requesting this, or Her Majesty wanting that; it’s all a bit of ceremony and theatre relating to this idea of delegated royal power.
There ya go, Megan, yes the Queen is still influentual here, she just has delegates that perfom many of her duties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of... (yes, it may be wiki but it is fact. If you want a better resource, you can google it). ;)
â¥âªMeganâ«â¥ - posted on 05/17/2012
Isobel haven't the last 8 Canadian PMs been passing laws without the Queen's consent? Queen Elizabeth II may have the title as the Queen of Canada, but she's only a figure head just as she is in England. She may preside over the opening of Parliment here in Canada (as she does in England), but she has no say on the laws made here in Canada. BTW, I'm going by what I've learned from my husband who is Canadian.
Meme, get over yourself. I never said that you needed to change your closed minded opinion of America just because I said so. But it would be the shit if I had that kind of power. I just suggested that maybe you should go on more than who you deal with on a regular basis and stop acting as though only your opinion matters.
Finally the Okanagan still has some of the worst drivers I've ever seen in my 30 years- and I have been in quite a few parts of North America.
Teresa - posted on 05/16/2012
I happen to love my country. I love the fact that I live here moreso than alot of other countries I see in the news. Do I think my country is the BEST? No, but "I" love it. and after reading some of these comments, I think that's all i want to say about that.
MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/16/2012
Megan--Meme, the phrase head desk was made for you, wasn't it? You're taking much more out of context than the rest of us. I've lived in two drastically different states (New York and Texas) and yet you're still telling me my veiw on my own country is not as good as yours since you know people from there and have family there.
So sorry but you have it wrong. You can have your opinion all you want. I can have mine. I am not going to change my opinion because someone named Megan says mine is incorrect, for whatever reasons. I have lived long enough, to create my views.
You can also have as much of an opinion about Canada as you want. Not sure where I said you couldn't! lol If you don't like it here though, no one is making you stay. ;)
I know the Country I live in is not perfect, far from it. I know we have a shitty ass PM. I truly wish he would just croak already. However, I know we are no where near looked at in such negative manners as America is. We are welcomed in many places, as Canadian's. America? Yeah, not so much.
In addition, Megan. I do not have any ill views on many of Americans I have met and I most definitely do not have any on the 10 or so family members that live there. Again, as I have stated, I have had many many dealings with Americans over the past 7 years via my work. The company I work for IS an American based company. All of our corporate views and regulations come from America (of course depending on which office is in what Country, that office has to still abide by that Countries laws) and I have yet to have an issue with any of them. They are all great people. My views are on America as a whole and they are not going to change, until America changes for its people.
â¥âªMeganâ«â¥ - posted on 05/16/2012
America, we're older than Canada. Canada as a whole didn't even have full control of its country until 1982 or so. They were recognized as their own country in 1862 and were only given full independance after World War One. So yeah, Canada younger than America and only in possesion of UHC because they had a socialist PM back in the 60's. Come to think of it back then Canadians were protesting about UHC and it took a few years to impliment. And Canada's Health care is still lacking compaired to France or Scotland. In fact if Harper was allowed to have his way Canadians would be back on a private pay system.
Meme, the phrase head desk was made for you, wasn't it? You're taking much more out of context than the rest of us. I've lived in two drastically different states (New York and Texas) and yet you're still telling me my veiw on my own country is not as good as yours since you know people from there and have family there. You have also never lived in the US, I lived there and now live in Canada (which you're saying I can't make judgements on since I have never lived there FFS I've been in BC for almost a year). You sound like the stereotypical American who makes uneducated baseless judgements.
As for the Americans posting veiws that differ from what you prefer to hear- we're not trying to get you to love our country. But we are trying to get you to have a different perspective on what you wish to know about and get you to understand that not everyone in the country is exactly how you veiw us.
America3437 - posted on 05/16/2012
Once again...just because you know a few Americans doesn't mean you know how America works! America is a young country still learning so be patient with those of us who love being Americans! I view America as nosey! We worry to much about what everyone else in the world is doing and not enough on our own problems. We can be hard to get along with at times but in general we truly care about the people in this world and try way too hard sometimes to help those who don't want or need it! Please don't base your view of America on what people you "know" have told you. Come live in our shoes for a bit and you may just change your view!
MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/16/2012
Megan---Meme, you missed a few points yourself when I was talking about generalizations that could be made about Canadians and you told me how you voted. Then you tell everyone in other threads that people who don't live in a country can't make judgements about the government.
Megan, it is all about the context. There is a difference when making generalizations about a Country and how one views it, than speaking specifics about another Countries LAWS! It is another thing to try and dictate how a Government placed laws, when you did not live there. Sorry, if you don't get that.
The fact is, I am not the only one here that views America the way I do. Other American's in this thread view it the same way.
No matter how bad you want everyone to LOVE America, it simply is NOT going to happen.
BTW - No one here has stated that their views are on the American people, particularly. It is on the political views that America likes to try and push onto it's own people and other Countries.
This thread is about how we view AMERICA (in general) not specific people there. ;)
As I have stated previously, I know several Americans personally. I am unsure of what your post was suppose to pertain to or make me aware of....and they are ALL wonderful people.
â¥âªMeganâ«â¥ - posted on 05/16/2012
Meme, you missed a few points yourself when I was talking about generalizations that could be made about Canadians and you told me how you voted. Then you tell everyone in other threads that people who don't live in a country can't make judgements about the government.
America, my husband and FIL sometimes bash America and they have Americans in their family since I'm a natural born American citizen (and possibly in their own family tree since they have Cree in their bloodline and the Cree nation was traditionally nomadic and would travel south of the Canadian boarder for hunting. My husband and FIL believe that someone in their ancestry could have brought back an American while on hunt) It's going to happen. My inlaws still have a general opinion of Americans even though they have met me and my older daughter (my younger one has dual citizenship and DH jokes that the Canadian over rules the American) I'm pretty much the only American they know personally.
America3437 - posted on 05/16/2012
"Canada has a great health care system, the States does not. We have decent schools, in most parts of the Country, the US, not so much. We don't start wars, the US does. We do not try to make anyone live like us, the US does. We are not all about money, the US is. Sorry but the US is not that great of a Country. Sure, many of the people are wonderful but those few idiots ruin it for many. "
America needs a good healthcare plan like Canada,My kids go to a "decent school" and I did as well. Most schools are "decent schools"! We DO NOT try to make people live like us,we give them the choice! The US Government is all about money but the majority of our citizens just want to be able to put food on our tables. I asked how you view America not for you to bash America! I have lived in many states and don't think just because you "know"people here you can think you know us! America as a country sucks, but Americans are wonderful people and BTW bad drivers as well!
MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/07/2012
No, I am not interested in playing the who knows who, since actually, I could go on and on and on as well. ;) I only listed a few of the people, all of which I am quite close to and they were for the States. Countries, well I am of German and British decent, of which I have family in those Countries as well. I also work for a global company, therefore have coworkers from around the world. They often come and work in Halifax for a few years on projects. ;)
I was simply making a point, that you missed btw, that it does not matter whether anyone has lived in the US. They just may know enough to form a decent understanding and opinion about the Country.
â¥âªMeganâ«â¥ - posted on 05/07/2012
MemeI have read Janice's posts thank you I believe it's just one opinion out of many. I have a friend in LA (Louisiana, not Los Angeles) who wouldn't dream of living anywhere but the US because she believes that it is the best place for her to live. She also doesn't know what she'd do if she couldn't just go into a store, have a quick background check and buy a gun. I told her she also shouldn't try moving to New York since we have tougher gun laws than LA does. My husband on the other hand hopes to be able to stay and work in Canada because the pros far outweigh the cons as far as he's concerned. His opinion of Americans is the same as most non Americans- even though he's married to one.
If you really want to continue who knows more about what- my MIL is originally from SK and now lives in BC, I have a friend in Northern AB and a few friends in QC. DH has worked in Northern AB and northern BC. My mom has been to nearly every state in the Union working as a computer program trainer for food service brokers as well as Ontario. I still have friends in New York as well as TX, LA, TN, GA, AZ and OR. And I have taken care of people from quite a few different countries (heck I have a friend here from Turkey who did an exchange student prorgam in a town East of where I'm from.) Do we really need to continue that?
Furthermore if you want to talk bad drivers, get behind someone from Quebec! FFS they come down to NY and then refuse to turn on red because they can't do that in their province! BC drivers come close though, I had some ass hat on a crotch rocket nearly clip my car last week when I took Highway 1 from Kamloops to Salmon Arm. FFS I have seen more courteous drivers in my home state. You all need the signs they had in TX telling everyone to drive friendly! However one of the deli ladies in Walmart says that when you drive in WA you take your life in your hands.
MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/07/2012
Megan, I am agreeing with those that HAVE lived and still do live in the US. Did you miss those posts? Janice being one of them. After reading her post, it was a very truthful, honest and a non-partial explanation. I truly respect her for being able to speak truth about the Country she lives in. Which btw, is what I am talking about in regard to my opinion of the US (not all the people in it, just some). ;)
Megan---I could also say that Canadians are some of the worst drivers in the world and BC drivers are some of the rudest most inconsiderate people I have ever had to share the road with (at least the ones here in the Okanagan).
Oh, I fully agree with this statemet. Canadians ARE some of the worst drivers in the world. Way too many of them have their heads stuck up their ass while driving. I am truly an agressive driver because of all the idiots that are on the roads here. Seriously, have they ever heard of a fucken blinker? I don't think many of them deserve a license. If you think BC is bad, shit, don't ever come to the Maritimes. They think stopping on the main road to let people turn onto side roads IS the correct way to drive! They think they are being curteous, when really they are causing accidents.
There are things about Canada that are crap too. This is true for any Country. No Governement is awesome. Everyone, has at least a few issues with their Government. However, we don't have loud mouth assholes trying to make everyone live under their religious beliefs nor do we have a bunch of self righteous idiots running around with guns saying they can shoot whoever they want, as long as they feel threatened. We don't claim to be the best Country in the world and we do not try to "make" other Countries follow in our footsteps. We mind our own business, for the most part. Canadian laws make a hell of a lot more sense than many of those in the US.
I still fail to see how you having lived in the US is any different than I having several family members living there. So, you lived in 2 states and one Province. I have lived in 2 Provinces and have family in Texas and Massachusetts. I know several, 20+ people, that live in Pennsylvania (where one of our head offices are), I deal with them on a regular basis. The only difference is I did not attend any of the schools there (which is a good thing, from what I am told and from what I have read on COM). ;)
Canada has a great health care system, the States does not. We have decent schools, in most parts of the Country, the US, not so much. We don't start wars, the US does. We do not try to make anyone live like us, the US does. We are not all about money, the US is. Sorry but the US is not that great of a Country. Sure, many of the people are wonderful but those few idiots ruin it for many.
â¥âªMeganâ«â¥ - posted on 05/07/2012
Meme, so you didn't vote for the Tories good for you, neither did DH or most of my inlaws. But I believe you missed the point I was making in my last post. I was saying that with the results from the last referendum you could make a blanket statement (as so many have made about Americans) about Canadians and the Conservative Party here in Canada. I could also say that Canadians are some of the worst drivers in the world and BC drivers are some of the rudest most inconsiderate people I have ever had to share the road with (at least the ones here in the Okanagan). And I have driven from New York to Texas and back as well as in Eastern Ontario Arizona, Vermont and Nevada!
No one on here who is upset over an opinion (and BTW we are entitled to be upset at someone's opinion.) is saying that you are wrong about some Americans. We all know we have issues in our country- none of us are denying that. But it's a rather silly thing to tell people that you can't get upset at someone's opinion. This is a debate forum after all.
Good for you that you only agree with the people who can confirm your opinion on a country you've never lived in because of course people who live ( or lived) in the US and are telling you something completely different have been brainwashed. I've lived in New York, Texas and now British Columbia so I believe that I've had a bit more experiance having lived in two separate parts of the US (some Texans are crazy and you should have seen the fall out after the Dixie Chicks insulted GW) and in a different country. Quite frankly, I believe there are nearly as many Canadian idiots as American idiots. Population vaules are the only reason Canada doesn't have as many as the US.
Laura, I read about that. PM Mackenzie King and his other people in office were all Anti Semites. Canada had quotas on how many Jews could attend University or even hold professional jobs. It dates from the depression era to after World War 2. But those Industrial Schools really took the cake with what happened with a lot of those 1st Nation children.
MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/06/2012
I find it funny that some of you are shitting because some of us have a particular opinion about the US. The Country, which includes some really big loud mouths. No one has said it is a personal thing. No one has said they think YOU are like that. A lot of people all over the world has the exact same opinion about the US. What do you want everyone to say "It is the best Country in the world, I can only wish our Country was just like it?"? That's just not ever going to happen. Your Government screws it for you guys. It is mainly political reasons of why there is such adverse negative opinions and views of the US. How can anyone dismiss or negate that?
ETA: We don't need to live there to have an opinion. There are Americans right in this thread that have agreed to our opinion. I agree with them. You know why? Because they are speaking what they know, what they have lived. They are not trying to defend all the crap that has been pulled out of that Country. Sure, there are great things about it too. However, as we all know, bad things ALWAYS get noticed much more than good things!
MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/06/2012
I voted NDP during the last election...just an FYI Megan. ;)
I no where near support Harper. I don't think anything proved that everyone does, referendum or not. That's just silly. They won because he is full of SHIT! And people, OLD people, vote for the same damn party every time, regardless of who or what they represent because it is their family tradition. Meh.
Emma - posted on 05/06/2012
Yes, and our PM said of Hitler, "he is really one who truly loves his fellow-men, and his country, and would make any sacrifice for their good". Again, though. I don't think this is the view of all americans, or even most. Just the ones I've met.
â¥âªMeganâ«â¥ - posted on 05/06/2012
Emma, people are entitled to their opinions but that doesn't mean that others have to like them and don't have a right to have a reaction. Opinions are a two way street. I have as much right to be upset about blanket statements about everyone in my country as you would if I made a statement about all Canadians being blind sided Harper supporters. Your referendum last year would have validated my opinion on that reguardless of the fact that the Tories lost a few seats in Parliment and the NDP is now a Minority leader.
I've said this before, I'm an American ex pat in Canada who is married to a Canadian. The majority of my countrymen whom I know personally don't seem to need nearly as much enlightenment as some Canadians I have met. Whether or not you base your opinions on a few people you have met that doesn't mean that all Americans conform to what you believe is the norm. And the ones I have had the displeasure of meeting who do conform to what you believe is absolute truth are few and far between. Perhaps you should work on enlightening yourself and your countrymen about your country and your neighbours.
Emma - posted on 05/06/2012
Megan, I know a great deal about our residential schools. In fact, that was one of the specific things I meant when I mentioned that Canada has done horrid things as well. I have close friends that are native, and my husband's family is also native. The government formally apologised in 08, a decade or so after the last one closed.
And, who said I base my opinions off google and TV? I don't even watch tv! My opinions are based off those whom I have met. It's a post with a question. You can't get pissed off because you dislike the answer. If you dislike that so many people hold these views, then do something about it. Inspire a change. Enlighten your fellow countrymen and make a difference.
â¥âªMeganâ«â¥ - posted on 05/06/2012
Janice, yes some non Americans do believe everything they see on American TV including that we are all gun toting homophobic religious nutters. It doesn't matter if it's a cartoon or the GOP debates- some people just take things at face vaule without taking things into consideration such as it's just one veiw and an over the top one at that. Hell I've even met Canadians who believe that an accurate portrayal of Americans is from the Rick Mercer Report. FFS, that's the same as Americans I've met who believe that we protect Canada!
Emma, do me a favour and look up the Industrial Schools for first nation people here in Canada. Then see how long it took for the RCMP to admit it that they were wrong in helping out. Then also look up what the Japanese did during and prior to World War 2 in Korea. And the washer women of Ireland. See how long it's taken for those countries to own up for their mistakes. Please spare me about how only Americans don't admit things they've done wrong because we have come clean about a lot that we've done. Especially when you form your opinions based off of only what you've seen on TV or 'google' instead of people you've met. If I did that I'd really not like the province of QC or the really rude drivers here in the Okanagan who act like I have my signal on for looks.
Emma - posted on 05/05/2012
Also- Canada has done shameful, horrid things too. However, we don't pretend otherwise, nor do we defend them. If someone felt like making a "what awful things has your country done" thread, I would be completely willing to post them. However that is not the point here.
Also, I'm sorry for my delay. I don't have internet access at home, so it may take me a while to respond.
MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/05/2012
Megan---I would not know what American Dad and Family Guy portray. I do not watch those kind of shows. To me they are ridiculous. I fail to see why some here, think we only get our opinion from TV. Seriously, I watch very little TV. Perhaps an hour a week and it is "How it is made". Otherwise, I watch Canadian news, only. I do not like TV. :o/
As I have said before I have family that live in the States. I do not believe all Americans are arrogant, selfish, self righteous or religious. However, I do know, it is how many many people, some even Americans, view the US as a whole. Just google it, you can see how many think negatively about the US. Now, I am not getting my opinion from google, I am getting it from my experience with some dealings with certain Americans. The company I work for IS US based. It is a global company but the head office and head management is US and are Americans. Some of them, not all, depict the very personality as many here have defined and it isn't pretty. ;)
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