How do you view Canada?

Krista - posted on 06/04/2012 ( 360 moms have responded )

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I figure the poor Americans are tired of us picking on them. So let's open it up a bit -- how do you view Canada?

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Krista - posted on 07/06/2012

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They teach your children that freedom is bad, that making money is selfish and horrible. It's actually very sad to me. It makes me more sad this coutnry is becoming full of socialists as well. It's sick. The theft angers me. My family already pays MORE than our fair share of taxes. I have no desire to pay any more so someone else can take my kid's food money to get sniffles looked at at the doc. I Have no deisre to wait in lines for simple medical proceedures for months. I have no desire to ask nanny government what cereal I can eat.

What the fuck are you smoking?

Seriously.

You have no clue what you're talking about, sweetpea. At no point during my 37 years of life in this country was I taught that freedom is bad and that making money is selfish and horrible.

You know what we WERE taught, though? We were taught some fucking humility. When I was in the hospital with kidney stones, in utter agony, I walked out later with no bill in my hand. And I was goddamn GRATEFUL for it. And I bear absolutely NO ill will towards anybody who uses some of my tax dollars to get their sniffles looked at. We all use the system. Some of us use it more than others, and that's fine. Why would I be such a sociopath as to resent people who suffer worse health than I do? There but for the grace of God/FSM/fate go I. So I'm not going to complain about my tax dollars going towards healthcare, because I am fucking HAPPY to know that my tax dollars are, at this very moment, helping a young mother receive chemotherapy, or a baby receive heart surgery.

As far as your other assertions, they're so ridiculous that they're not even funny. I don't wait in lines for medical procedures for months. What are you even ON? Yeah, sometimes there are waiting lists for non-emergent procedures, like knee replacements and elective surgeries. Oh well. If it's urgent, it happens quickly, and that's the most important thing. I went to the ER last week because I was having chest pains. Five minutes later, I was being seen by a doctor, and five minutes after that, I had an EKG hooked up to me. Turns out it was just a pulled chest muscle, and I was back at work shortly after. I was in and out of that hospital in less than 40 minutes, with no bill in my hand.

And cereal? Seriously? That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. The government doesn't tell us what to eat. If I want to eat Cap'n Crunch every morning, I have every right to do so.

I swear, I don't know if you've been inhaling too many fumes off of your "USA #1" foam fingers (which were made in China, by the way), but you might want to put them down and get some oxygen to your brain.

Jenni - posted on 06/07/2012

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I just wanted to add to what Jodi said; the average life expectancy in Canada is 80.7 compared to the USA's 78.2. This is a significant difference when speaking about "averages". Canada ranks 12/194 countries and the USA ranks 38/194 countries for average life expectancy.



I'm pretty certain if we were "letting our elderly die" it would show significantly in our average life expectancy compared to other countries.



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Jodi - posted on 06/07/2012

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LOL, you mean this bit Kelly:
"Ok interesting. I think Canada allows it's elderly to die because of their UHC system. I think Canadians come here (according to stats Canadians are the second highest population of illegal aliens in the U.S.) to get better medical care and escape socialism. I can only imagine that there it would be like living with a state agent sitting in your living room micromanaging your household"

Nah, I am pretty sure she was dead serious. In another thread she mentioned that the UHC is trying to deny reasonable cancer testing to the elderly hoping to save money. I'd be interested to know where she was from. My guess is that she is from the US, and is one of those that has been indoctrinated into the thinking the health insurance companies want you to think so that THEY can make a dollar, simply because the US is all FOR profit in its healthcare.

Johnny - posted on 06/04/2012

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Since it barely got down below 0 celsius (32 fahrenheit) here this winter, I think the cold thing is kind of off the mark. But ridiculously expensive can often be rather accurate.

Meme, my concern is really with the vast majority of people using the food bank who are actually working poor. Their salaries just don't cover food and there is no financial assistance available to these people at all. As well with the elderly on fixed pensions which do not cover enough of their expenses. These aren't people taking from the system, these are people who are working hard or worked hard all of their lives. The child tax benefit is no where close to covering this, even at max and it doesn't help the elderly.

Sara - posted on 07/06/2012

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Also, Erin, you say "Why does an emplyer need to pay for all of an emplyees benefits why shouldn't we pay for those ourselves". Isn't that what the Healthcare Reform Act is trying to accomplish? Making people buy health insurance so the rest of us don't end up paying the costs of others unpaid medical bills? It really is promoting personal responsibility if you think about it.

And please remember to keep it nice, ladies. I know emotions can run high when talking about something so personal, but let's keep it civil!

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♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/18/2012

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Laura, my husband is a natural born Canadian and the only French he knows is his surname :) The further west you go in Canada the less it seems you need French. It's only on our packaging and at the airports. Everything else is English. DH also doesn't care for sports including hockey (luckily the rest of my inlaws and our friend in AB make up for that) my friend takes it so far as to refer to Calgary (The home city of her favourite team's rival team) as The Forbidden city and refused to bring a Flames Keychain into her house.

It's also not always cold here- recently because of global warming we've been having record ice pack in the mountains with green Christmases in the valleys. We had next to no snow this past winter. The summer temps here so far have been in the mid 30's even as far north as the North Coast where our neighbour's family is from. That's near 90 for us Americans :)

And trust me there are nosey, bossy and rude Canadians. My neighbour and some of the tenants in other apartments tend to be prime examples. I've also had issues in general with people letting the door close in your face when you clearly are struggling with a stroller, glare at you when you smile and rush through intersections. The worst drivers seem to congregate in the Okanagan/Shuswap region where I happen to live and visit. Today alone a pick up nearly sideswiped my aunt's rental vehicle trying to make a left in Salmon Arm when he knew he couldn't make it and a tour bus from SK turned right in front of us TWICE without signaling! This paragraph of course is partially from opinion. But I do have a friend here who is also an imigrant who has experianced the same thing and there are people from north of me who moved here and have noticed that everyone in the Okanagan isn't very friendly. However these are only a few people. Sadly they can spoil the over all experiance.

I can't comment on PEI though- I don't even believe I saw drivers from PEI in either ON or NY let alone out here in BC. I have seen a few NS plates though- Meme do you have some 'splaining to do?

Merry - posted on 07/18/2012

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Unfortunately I've never been out of the good old US of A :-( but seriously, PEI is one of my top choices for a less expensive vacation.

Krista - posted on 07/18/2012

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PEI is REALLY pretty, Laura. Have you ever visited? You should. I was actually just over to the Island on Monday, strangely enough!

Merry - posted on 07/18/2012

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Without reading any comments, I view Canada like America but colder and better health insurance. I think they are a better country then here cuz they don't seem so prideful and self absorbed. The good kid rarely gets talked about ya know? So that's Canada. My husband jokes that all of a sudden Canada will come out with a huge army and overtake the world because they're laying low right now off the radar.
I think they're just focusing on their own country and not so nosey and bossy like America.
I stereotypically believe Canadians like hockey. And speak French sometimes though I'm sure some do, and when I dream of moving to Canada I picture prince edward island and Anne of Avonlee and the cherry trees :)

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/12/2012

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Ok who stole the posts. And you still can't report people although I have seen the buy my shit ads removed on the welcome page

Krista - posted on 07/12/2012

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LOL -- Elizabeth's post reminds me of Sarah Palin being able to see Russia from Alaska.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/12/2012

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Elizabeth, do you use binoculars or a telescope?

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/09/2012

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From what my MIL says he didn't even have a card and didn't use the system. He believes in more natural medicines and figured that since he wasn't going to hospitals or anything. I think I need to call and ask her more about the story.

MeMe---Past And Present (-.-) - posted on 07/09/2012

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Yeah, if he was getting services and didn't have a card, he would have gotten a bill. Just like my buddy, if he had gotten the service but didn't have a card. However, if you never ever use a doctor or hospital, for anything. You would not get a bill, this is my understanding. Simply put, the government doesn't care because you are still paying for UHC via taxes, you just can't use the service without being billed, while not having a card. Now if you are stiffing your taxes, that is a whole other can of worms, called fraud and yes, you would get a nice bill/fine. ;)



ETA:

The ACA is a form of where you HAVE to have some type of private insurance and pay it out of pocket. It is very different than what we have here in Canada.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/09/2012

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Meme, one of DH's uncles managed to get around having UHC because he just didn't think he needed it. I guess the BC government found out and sent him a bill for not having UHC.

BTW right now I'm veiwing Canada through a haze of smoke from the Colorado wild fires. I can hardly see the mountains around the lake where I live.

MeMe---Past And Present (-.-) - posted on 07/09/2012

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UHC, does not mean you HAVE to have insurance. Big difference there. No one has to have insurance in Canada. As long as you have a Provincial health card, you are covered for the basics, from doctor visits to specialist visits to hospital care (including any treatments and surgeries, that are non-elective). Anything over and above that, is a required private insurance need but it is not mandatory. All kids, under age 12, are covered for eye appts (every 2 years) and dental appts (every year) under UHC, as well.



ETA: And when I say insurance is not mandatory, I mean PAID out of our pocket, each month, insurance. We are all covered with insurance but it is paid for via our yearly taxes. We don't see it come out of our pocket, which is very nice! Also, if you do not get a Provincial health card, you are not taxed or charged, you just cannot get care, until you have the card. Unless, you have been in the province for less than 3 months and have a card from the last province you resided. This happened to a buddy of mine. He was turned away, until he got his card or he could have paid a nice bill....he elected to get his card, which took him going directly to the gov office and getting it immediately.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/09/2012

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Some people in the US believe it's the same as UHC but it's not. Maybe after all the politicians are required to switch to it in January we'll get actual UHC.

Jaime - posted on 07/09/2012

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Not getting ahead of myself...I'd still consider it the UHC bandwagon. I realize it's just the beginning, but I guess I'm anticipating a positive outcome in this direction because I fully believe it's going to make a fundamental difference for a majority of people in the US.

Krista - posted on 07/09/2012

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No, it's not. But it's a start. It at least acknowledges and addresses the idea that nobody should have to go without medical insurance.

Jaime - posted on 07/08/2012

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I'm just glad that the US is finally on the UHC bandwagon. It's not a bad place to be :)

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/08/2012

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Jaime, since I have something to compare it too (American Ex-pat *wave*) I'm also greatful that I live in Canada. Don't get me wrong I love my home country we- for the most part- are very warm, outgoing and friendly. However so many of my fellow citizens are easily mislead (case in point Ms Erin's posts about socialism) or just not as well informed as they should be. Even my mom was in a panick when I moved to BC from NY and it wasn't just because of the distance. She was worried about using UHC and accessable health care. I think I'll call her today and tell her about my baby.

I will tell you that the only issue with traveling from Canada to the US would be the billing process because it's the same if you have US health insurance and are in Canada. You pay the bill (unless you have traveller's insurance like DH always got when he would visit me) then you contact your insurance and they pay you back. I'd have to do that for my older daughter because she's covered under my ex husband's military insurance and it's a different set up than Canada's insurance. Also down in the States like in Canada teachers are union so they automatically receive health care.

Jaime - posted on 07/08/2012

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I'm grateful for telehealth too, Krista. I feel very fortunate to live in Canada, and I think that says something considering the fact that I have nothing to compare it to, having never lived in another country. I still plan to teach and travel and accessible health care is high on my list of priorities to include amongst my travel plans---especially since I'll be taking Gray with me. I cannot imagine having to pay hundreds of dollars for a doctors visit or thousands for a hospital stay. Though it's not a perfect system, it still works primarily to the benefit of the people--not padding the pockets of the private sector.

MeMe---Past And Present (-.-) - posted on 07/08/2012

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I am so happy to know some people find 811, helpful. I was getting worried, since I have yet to find it helpful. I have used it a handful of times and every time, I was told "well, it is probably best, you go get it checked out". I spent a good 30mins on the phone with them, to not get any answers but to go to the hospital and/or doctor, anyhow.



My husbands friends, wife, is a nurse and once she had their baby, she switched to being on 811 duty. I am sure it can be very helpful for some people, I hope so anyhow. It just has yet to be for me. :(

Deidre - posted on 07/07/2012

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Oh it is making me laugh as well Jodi. I am just a very laid back Canadian. I have no position on anything. I probably should as I am Newfoundlander and they seem to always get the backside of all decisions. I LOVE BEING CANADIAN!!! And congrats and good luck to the ladies due in January. What fantastic news for you!!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/07/2012

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I don't know if we do. I can google it though. I actually only went in this morning because I googled Lilli's heat rash last night and there was a part on when to call the doctor and one reason was dehydration- the poor baby has hardly been peeing even though she's been nursing every 10 minutes. I found out about the ear infection by chance. I also ran into a friend of mine and her younger son just got over his ear infection, but he's been throwing up all day.

We had on call triage nurses at the hospitals back in New York. You would call one of them after hours, leave a message and a phone number and then an on call nurse would get back to you and tell you if you had to run out and buy an OTC medication or come in and see the doctor.

Krista - posted on 07/07/2012

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Question, Megan: do you guys have Telehealth out there? We have it here -- we can dial 811 any time of day or night, and you get put through to a registered nurse. It's publicly funded, but I imagine it's probably saved the taxpayers a fair bit of money due to reducing unnecessary ER visits. I used it a lot during Sam's first year, when you're nervous about anything and everything, and it's been an absolute lifesaver during those "I THINK he's okay, but I don't know..." moments.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/07/2012

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Off topic, what was the name of the sub place in Mission that a few people were talking about? Because my aunt and uncle are coming up next week from Rochester and I wanted to take them somewhere nice and cheap.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/07/2012

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Ok I have a story about how I veiw Canada for today :)

My 16 month old has had prickly heat for the past few days and it's just gotten worse (probably because it's in the low 30's) and she hasn't been drinking or peeing much so this morning I took her to the walk in clinic. One I get to choose BTW.

So DH and I take our daughters in and get Little DD in there and the doctor checks her out and she's starting to get an ear infection- whoopie- so he writes out a script. We go across the street to an in store pharmacy and when the pharmacist scans little DD's care card we find out we don't even have to pay a co-pay for the medicine :) This is great because even when I was on Tri-care and then Medicaid back in the US I had co-pays for myself and then for older DD.

Moral of the story UHC is really great if you're low income and no one tells you where to go (except my older DD who wanted me to go to Pharmasave instead of Save On Foods- cheeky monkey) for anything. Unlike in the US where your private pay insurance even tells you what to do.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/06/2012

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I sent my daughter to private school because my brother and I had attended the public school in the district I lived in and I wouldn't send my dog to that school district let alone my child. My grade one and kindergarten teachers were terrible. My grade one teacher only recently retired and she once dragged me to the grade 2 class and shouted at me! So for me sending her to public school even if that public school had all day Kindergarten- which of course was another selling point.



It also helped that my parents are Catholic so my daughter was already used to church and Jesus (she went to a Methodist Pre-K) so it was normal for her. If I lived in the US and I didn't like the public school I would apply for a grant to allow my child to attend private school.



Stella, my daughter threw her uniform down the stairs on the days my mom was out of town on business.



ETA: Now thanks to Christie Clarke and her Liberal party the teachers here in BC will have up to 24 kids in their class this year.

Lakota - posted on 07/06/2012

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If I lived in an area where the public schools were good, my son would go there. I went to public school growing up and never dreamed that my son would do different. Until we moved here. The schools are very bad and the school board can't even communicate to solve even the small problems.

At his Catholic school, he is in the honor's program and plays baseball. At the school we are zoned for, he would be one of 45 kids in the class and would be invisible. Couldn't sleep at night if I let that happen.

Johnny - posted on 07/06/2012

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There aren't a lot of non-religious private schools around us. There are 5 or 6 on the other side of the city that are secular, two for girls, two for boys, and one co-ed. And there is one that specializes in learning disabilities. But most private schools here are Catholic, Sikh, or Jewish. Then there are some in the suburbs.

I wouldn't even consider sending my kids to private school unless they were spectacularly gifted or seriously struggling with a learning disability. We aren't religious, so it most wouldn't be a good fit. And I'm not a big fan of segregated education except in rare cases. It is simply not a discussion that seems to come up amongst my fellow parents. A couple kids in my daughter's preschool are going to Catholic school, but everyone else is heading for the local public school. Growing up, the only kids I knew who went to secular private school were neighbors who had moved up from Arizona. After a couple years, their parents transferred them to public school because they realized it was just as good.

I will really fight against any group that wants to erode our public education system. It saddens me that so many districts in the US seem to be struggling. Although, I do know some public systems in Washington state are doing very well and private school enrollment has gone down. So there is hope.

Lakota - posted on 07/06/2012

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Hi, Megan. I love France. It is where the rest of my family lives. My parents are European. Dad is German. My mother is from France and I have dual citizenship. We should all move to France, drink wine, eat cheese, and be happy.

My son is going to a private Catholic school right now. My son isn't thrilled with the uniform thing either. But, it is all he knows.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/06/2012

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We should all just move to France- they have FREE daycare! Merci! :) Damn that whole socialist thing.

I don't see any of Stella's posts up here recently. I sent my older daughter to a private Catholic school when she was in Kindergarten because I got a 1000$ grant from the Diocese of Rochester plus they had all day Kindergarten. My district only had 1/2 day it would have cost more than 220$ a month to have 1/2 day Kindergarten and a babysitter. That 220$ a month was what I paid for the private school. Ooh did she hate wearing a uniform!

My daughter now goes to a small public school a few blocks from where I live. There are also montessouri and private schools near me in Kelowna.

Krista - posted on 07/06/2012

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I think it then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, too, Stella. What happens then is that the only kids who wind up in public schools are the ones whose parents can't afford to send them to private school. So there is no incentive for the government to really fix the school system, because these poor parents have very little political clout. If the politicians' kids had to go to public school, like many of them do here, you'd see things changing pretty quickly, methinks.

Krista - posted on 07/06/2012

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I think it depends on where you live, Stella. We have a few private schools here in the Maritimes, and they're supposed to be quite excellent, but there aren't many of them. The vast majority of children go to public schools. And most of those schools range from good to excellent, I would say. My local elementary school is tiny, but has all of the solid basics there. Our local high school has some weak spots but some great strengths as well. So the way I see it is that my job as a parent is to know what those weak spots are, so that I can supplement his learning at home.

The public school system overall, though, is quite healthy, I'd say.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 07/06/2012

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There are private schools, in the city I live. They are used, there aren't that many. There are 17 private and compared to the approx. 152 public, that is not many.



A good friend of mine went to private for a couple years, here. She didn't like it though.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 07/06/2012

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Oh I know, it is a killer. May drop my boy down to part time, Daddy can watch him a couple days a week, since he works nights, he can sleep in the evening those two days. Not sure yet but I really don't want to be paying both my arms and legs.... ;)

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 07/06/2012

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LOL, Krista. That's what I was thinking! Or my $1600/month Daycare fee, I will be accruing in 20 months!

Krista - posted on 07/06/2012

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$1000? Fuck me. That would go towards a lot of diapers, thankyouverymuch!

Janice - posted on 07/06/2012

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Oh and even in the US you dont worry about the epidural cost. As long as you have insurance you just get one nice lump sum to pay. My copay for any hospital stay including birth is 1K. I think between 500$ and 1000$ is standard. Isnt that nice .......eyeroll!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/06/2012

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Krista, my friend in AB does have private through Walmart and she gets to choose what she gets. Her provincial pays for her travel expenses for when she has to drive to Edmonton

My MIL works for interior health here in BC and DH was on her insurance until last year when we got married because her insurance policy will cover her children as long as they are unmarried and in school. DH kinda stayed on until I moved up here Shhh. But my BILs can get back on it whenever they decide to go back to school as long as they aren't married.

My MIL's mom is at the nursing home my MIL works at. She just turned 89 last week and she gets excellent care. She had a bad fall and broke her hip, BC Health paid for everything! So much for the elderly not receiving proper care.

Yes we do have issues because our UHC is man made and not perfect, but what is? My biggest issue right now is with the part of BC Health that assists with people with disabilities. They want to cut funding to them, yet the Liberal government (a political party here in Canada. We also have the Conservatives, the NDP, the Wild Rose (AB only) and the Bloc Quebecois) keeps raising their own pay and congratulating themselves for saving money by cutting jobs and pay to Interior Health workers like my MIL.

I honestly veiw Canadians for the most part better informed than Americans. You don't see Canadians (for the most part- I've had my days like last week when the worker at Aeropostale thought all of the US was violent) spouting off stupidity about the US.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/06/2012

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Oh I've been eatting ice cream, blueberry Bannock or banana bread for breakfast. The only one who kvetches is DH because I technically made the banana bread for him.

I eat cereal for lunch anyway so the RCMP doesn't care

Krista - posted on 07/06/2012

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And yes, I'm delighted that with everything else we have to think about with regards to having a baby, the question of how we're going to pay for the childbirth is NOT one of those things. I needed an epidural when I had my son, and didn't think twice about asking for it. If I'd had only private insurance, I probably would have been pretty reluctant, wondering if it was going to be covered or not. What an awful thing to have to think about!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/06/2012

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LOL Meme and Krista E Congrats.

I think she is on something... it's called Tea Party Propoganda.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 07/06/2012

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Dude I had no idea! I thought all this time Canada was a Democratic Monarchy and we all pledged alliegiance to the Queen! We're a socialist country? Guess I should go pledge alliegiance to Csar Steven Harper. :)

I seriously want to wake DH up so we can have a good laugh at this together because like Janice I'm a US citizen, However I live in Canada and I've never seen half of what of this person is claiming. She probably also believes that our health care is rationed and we have (wait for it) death panels. Keep it coming, this is what my Canadian friends call humour.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 07/06/2012

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Woohoo!!! That's awesome - so excited for you!

I am closer to end of Feb (still very early but still exciting)....;)

Good thing we will be able to afford the delivery, 'eh? LOL

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 07/06/2012

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As well? Do you mean you are too? hehehee If so, congrats right back atcha!!

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