Juice Plus+ (Hoax??)

Danielle - posted on 03/06/2011 ( 129 moms have responded )

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The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) recommends we eat 7 to 13 servings of fruits and vegetables every day. Most people don't come anywhere close. Clinically proven Juice Plus+ helps you bridge the gap between what you should eat and what you do eat, every day.

https://www.juiceplus.com/nsa/content/Welcome.soa

A friend told me about this yesterday and it sounds awsome but I'm just wondering if anyone has ever tried it. I've never heard of it until now and I find it weird that if its that good that it's not all over the place. Has anyone ever heard of this before? Have you tried it? Is it worth putting $$ towards it?

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Kate CP - posted on 03/06/2011

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I'm here! *waves* :D
Okay, how the human immune system works (in a nutshell):

White blood cells (WBCs), or leukocytes (also spelled "leucocytes"), are cells of the immune system defending the body against both infectious disease and foreign materials. Five different and diverse types of leukocytes exist, but they are all produced and derived from a multipotent cell in the bone marrow known as a hematopoietic stem cell. Leukocytes are found throughout the body, including the blood and lymphatic system.

There are several different types of white blood cells. They all have many things in common, but are all different. A major distinguishing feature of some leukocytes is the presence of granules; white blood cells are often characterized as granulocytes or agranulocytes:

*Granulocytes:
There are three types of granulocytes: neutrophils, basophils, and eosinophils, which are named according to their staining properties.

*Agranulocytes (mononuclear leucocytes):
There are three types of agranulocytes including lymphocytes, monocytes, and macrophages.[5]

So, what do these cells do?
*Neutrophils: attack bacteria and fungi
*Eosinophils: attack larger parasites and modulate allergic inflammatory responses
*Basophils: release histamine for inflammatory responses
*Lymphocytes: B cells: releases antibodies and assists activation of T cells
T cells: Th (T helper) cells: activate and regulate T and B cells
CD8+ cytotoxic T cells: virus-infected and tumor cells.
Natural killer cells: virus-infected and tumor cells.
*Monocyte: Monocytes migrate from the bloodstream to other tissues and differentiate into tissue resident macrophages or dendritic cells.
*Microphage: Phagocytosis (engulfment and digestion) of cellular debris and pathogens, and stimulation of lymphocytes and other immune cells that respond to the pathogen.
*Dendritic cells: Main function is as an antigen-presenting cell (APC) that activates T lymphocytes.

There is NO WAY on Earth to increase the production of these cells using fruits and veggies. Sorry...just can't happen. The only way to increase the production of any of these cells (or "boost the immune system" as so many say) is to:
a) Get sick. Your body naturally goes into defense mode whenever you get sick and that means it produces more white cells to fight off the foreign invaders.
b) Take heavy-duty cancer drugs to artificially stimulate the production of cells in the bone marrow.

This is why the argument for "naturally boosting your immune system" versus getting vaccinated doesn't work. You *can't* naturally boost your immune system unless you're sick OR you take a medication like GCSF (Granulocyte colony-stimulating factor) which is basically a hormone therapy. It's really, really hard to increase immune production but pretty easy to DECREASE it:
Steroids decrease immune function
Existing mild infections decrease immune function
Poor diet decreases immune function

Now, you'll notice I said poor diet decreases immune function. So, logically a good diet should INCREASE it, right? Nope. It only helps it to function optimally. That means that it will only work it's best for the individual person and cannot be increased to super-strength. I eat healthy and my immune system functions optimally FOR ME (doesn't do me much good, but it's what I got). You (generally you) eat healthy and your immune system will function optimally FOR YOU. But don't think that eating better and taking a Gummy Vitamin will increase your white cell count...because it won't.

Kate CP - posted on 03/07/2011

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I also said this in the same post:

Now, you'll notice I said poor diet decreases immune function. So, logically a good diet should INCREASE it, right? Nope. It only helps it to function optimally. That means that it will only work it's best for the individual person and cannot be increased to super-strength. I eat healthy and my immune system functions optimally FOR ME (doesn't do me much good, but it's what I got). You (generally you) eat healthy and your immune system will function optimally FOR YOU. But don't think that eating better and taking a Gummy Vitamin will increase your white cell count...because it won't.

So...the entire time I've been posting I've been saying the same thing:

You can't boost your immune system PAST optimal function with fruits and veggies or supplements.

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Danielle, also look into the book "Deceptively Delicious." And I think there is a similar book called, "The Sneaky Chef." It gives great recipes (very kid friendly...mac-n-cheese for example) with added vegetables. And you can't even tell vegetables are in the recipes!

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JuLeah, my pediatrician happens to have been name one of America's top pediatricians in the year 2008. She's constantly doing research, and takes the time to explain "the why" behind every question I ask her. I've never had her (or heard of her) pushing drugs on her patients. I trust her knowledge more than I trust my own.

Johnny - posted on 03/06/2011

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Just to reference way back to the question about what is wrong with using V8...it is actually quite high in sodium, about 1/3 of an adult daily intake. V8 is now making a lower sodium version, but because V8 is reconstituted, it is debatable whether it has lost nutrients in the processing. Juicing your own vegetables can avoid the sodium and maintain the nutrients. I generally give my daughter 1/3 cup of carrot juice mixed with 1/3 cup of orange juice with a dissolved vitamin D tablet in it each day. She eats a lot of vegetables, but not enough in their raw form. So the juice is sort of an added boost. The orange is just in there to improve the taste so she'll take it. Most commercially processed foods will end up having added sodium or something of the like, while losing nutrients in the process. Personally, I don't put a lot of confidence in powdered vegetable supplements.

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Linda - posted on 05/22/2012

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I have been taking juiceplus for a little over 2 years now. I have MS and fibromyalgia and had little energy when I was first introduced to the product. Within the first 60 days I did not really feel any different until I then added the vineyard blend which is "berries" to the vegetable and fruit blend. Within the next 30 days I really began to feel my energy level increase. I was working as a server in a restaurant doing 10 hours for 5 days and I am 60 years old. The two 18 and 20 year old servers could not keep up with me and had to take 2 hour breaks inbetween the lunch and dinner shifts. Yes, I would say it is definitely worth the $ and I tell everyone about it. My daughter just recently had her second child while she has been taking it for over a year. Her first pregnancy she had all kinds of complication including gestational diabetes....this pregnancy...No Problems and even continued to work fulltime and only put on 10 pounds. I have a beautiful granddaughter and we thank Juiceplus for her!

Jessica - posted on 03/10/2011

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It's not as good at all. nothing trump's good old fashioned fruit and veggie's unhampered, and juice is tolerable... but supplements are actually not as good at all... but if something like that sticks out I check and see if the fda is involved. If it isn't fda approved... I approve of it. They put chemicals in their medicine. Morphine, for example, is actually derived from a plant and works perfectly good on it's own... but they put chemicals in it and changed it. Without their meddling, it had no ill effects (unless you took too much and then it'd kill you) and it wasn't addictive. so I can safely say, I don't trust them. If it isn't fda approved then it is suppressed by the fda... or some other piece of the government. To be honest, a little honey in the juice actually helps it to be absorbed more. I think you would probably be better brewing a tea bag with berries or fruit in a coffee pot, and adding a tiny bit of honey.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/08/2011

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No Krissy, that is not what is being recommended. Suppliments are not meant to replace proper eatinf or excercise in any way...that has been discussed throughout the thread. It is a loooonnnngg one though...can't blame you for not reading it.

Krissy - posted on 03/08/2011

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it's not just the vitamins you need... it's the fiber... PLUS what are you going to eat after you pop the pill and need something to fill your belly up? You'll reach for junk food because you've already got your vitamins...

No, God designed us to eat food... we should eat healthy and natural foods... not pills.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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I never argued that. It was your stance on the suppliments and food not being able to boost the immune system Kate. You obviously know your shit....not saying you don't.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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Well, it didn't work for you. You have an immune disorder. It doesn't mean it won't work for me, or others. Everyone is different. Who knows, maybe they were helping, but since your immune system was attacking itself...any good work it was doing was getting eaten up by your body.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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Also, some suppliments can make you feel like crap...sometimes they are too strong...or the coatings don't agree with you. It is always advised to start off low doses. Like when I was on certain prenatals, I felt like shit. On others, they were great for me. I usually will go to a reputable health food store and discuss certain suppliments with the people who know there shit. It is obvious the ones who do not.

Kate CP - posted on 03/07/2011

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I only took the echinacea on and off because of the issues with possible over dosing. It still didn't do anything.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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I cannot believe my fucking post just disapeared...dammit.

Ok, try this again, no Kate not jealous. I was being sarcastic and funny.

I am just gonna write a quick recap of what just disappeared.

Kate, you could have been taking a bad combination...or overdosed on echinacea? I don't know. I just know what happened to my mom. She was on Echinacea...I am talking the real herb...not a pill...she was taking it for like 3 months...felt fantastic. Her immune system collapsed....she got double lung pneumonia from over taking the herb. Echinacea in small doses for short stints (I think you can take it for up to 1 month at a time) really boosts immunity....but taking it too long has the opposite effect. Herbs are funny like that, you have to really be careful. Who know? Maybe that is why you felt like shit on your suppliments.

Kate CP - posted on 03/07/2011

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"I love that you get a helpful tag even when you are contradicting yourself...how nice to be supported..."

...Dude, are you actually jealous of my tag? o.O

Kate CP - posted on 03/07/2011

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*shrug* I can only go on the information I have. I took supplements (vitamin C, echinacea, Valarian root, Astragalus) for a year. During this time I was also getting monthly blood tests to check my white blood cell count: no change in my numbers UNLESS I got an infection. During this time I was also a vegetarian (shocking, eh?) and STILL no change in numbers even when I began to eat meat again.

And the funny thing about all of that is...I started feeling better when I stopped taking all the vitamins. Not saying that I GOT better (because I didn't) but I wasn't tired or icky feeling (just that general sick feeling you get sometimes) when I WASN'T taking the vitamins and supplements. Do I think that this is true for all people? Nope. Every body functions differently and responds differently to varying treatments and medications. But I also don't put a lot of stock into the whole "apple a day" thing. Eating and healthy and exercising (and even taking your Flintstone's) is very important for everyday health and even mild colds. But when you get hit with a major infection or even a bad case of the flu it's not going to make a huge dent in recovery time.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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I love that you get a helpful tag even when you are contradicting yourself...how nice to be supported. No matter how you slice it, suppliments, vitamins, gummies that are produced from veggies and fruit like fruit plus can help prouce white blood cells that in turn help support your immune system. It doesn't matter if you are at your "optimum" health or not. I can't imagine anyone is in the absolute prime of there health WITHOUT using suppliments along with healthy diet and excersise.

Once again, you clearly stated 2 times that suppliments and healthy food will NOT increase white blood cells, they can.

The point you keep stressing about optimal health...if I feel a cold coming on, and I increase my vitamin C intake to combat it, my white blood cells can go up and fight stronger. I am not at my optimal health when I need that vitamin suppliment. Taking suppliments keeps us prime to fight infections constantly......BOOST our immune system past what it would be WITHOUT suppliments.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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Lol Danielle.....I stand behind my original statements....I think they are great.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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Ok, got to a comp...
Kate your words "There is NO WAY on Earth to increase the production of these cells using fruits and veggies. Sorry...just can't happen. The only way to increase the production of any of these cells (or "boost the immune system" as so many say) is to:
a) Get sick. Your body naturally goes into defense mode whenever you get sick and that means it produces more white cells to fight off the foreign invaders.
b) Take heavy-duty cancer drugs to artificially stimulate the production of cells in the bone marrow.

This is why the argument for "naturally boosting your immune system" versus getting vaccinated doesn't work. You *can't* naturally boost your immune system "

Kate, also your words "No...I said there was no way to boost it past optimum functioning levels for each individual. Not that you couldn't increase cell production AT ALL."



So....which is it?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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kate your third to last paragraph state "there is no way in hell to boost your immune system with food and suppliments" and proceed to say only getting sick can increase wbc or strong cancer drugs.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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Kate, (i cannot copy and repost...on my phone) your entire last paragraph on your initial post states very clearly you cannot boost your immune system with suppliments. Ypu can retract your statement....but it is there.

Jodi - posted on 03/07/2011

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I apologise if I misinterpreted what you were originally trying to say, Julianne. I was just pointing out that people were probably reacting to the statement that humans don't need protein at all, because that IS what you said. I DO agree that people overdo it with animal proteins, and overconsumption is a problem, but I can also see why people reacted to this statement. That's all. It is also how I initially read it, but understand now that you have clarified it, what you were trying to say.

Kate CP - posted on 03/07/2011

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No...I said there was no way to boost it past optimum functioning levels for each individual. Not that you couldn't increase cell production AT ALL.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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Kate, your stance is saying there is no way we can "boost" our immune systems. I posted that article to debate your point. So no, I am saying something different. I am not arguing the basic functionings of the immune system. Just the fact that nutrient rich foods, and certain suppliments can indeed "boost" the immune system. I believe that is the exact opposite of what you were claiming.

Krista - posted on 03/07/2011

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Sigh. Julianne, people tend to take exception to what you say because instead of presenting something as your opinion, you make this sweeping, declarative statements about how nobody should drink milk, or how we don't need animal protein at all, and basically come across as though you think you know better than every single accredited nutritionist out there. I know you mean well, and that you're passionate about this, but perhaps if you didn't treat the rest of us like we're uneducated idiots, you'd get a better reception to your posts.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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Jodi, she was saying, and IS saying, we don't need protein specifically FROM animals. Proteins are LITERALLY the building blocks of life. We need protein, but can get it from other sources than animals. meat is not the only way to consume protein.

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we dont need animal protein at all.
I tried explaining it in the thread what i meant. My wording got picked apart to the point it was not what i originally meant. i just love being told i am wrong when the majority of them were agreeing with me. over consumption of unhealthy meat is a problem. Just like several other occasions on com, those who agree tell me i'm wrong. Logically explain that one.

Jodi - posted on 03/07/2011

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Geez, Marina, I was just saying that people were originally reacting to her comment that humans don't need protein at all. I realise she is now clarifying, and I was making a comment, that it doesn't mean the same thing that she said originally. IF she had said that originally, the reactions probably would have been different.

Kate CP - posted on 03/07/2011

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"...You don't have to take in massive amounts of vitamin C to boost your immune system. Around 200 milligrams a day seems to be a generally agreed-upon amount and one that can be automatically obtained by eating at least six servings of fruits and vegetables a day. If you take vitamin C supplements, it's best to space them throughout the day rather than take one large dose, most of which may end up being excreted in the urine..."

So, by eating the recommended amount of fruits and veggies you can "boost" your immune system. Basically, if you're eating right your body will function properly and produce the correct amount of cells for itself.

...You do realize you're repeating everything I'm saying but just phrasing it differently, right?

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 03/07/2011

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Marina
Is right, 200% everything she has said is RIGHT…..yep =D

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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OK Jodi,.... back off. She came on here to correct her statement, to clarify.

Jodi - posted on 03/07/2011

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Julianne, saying we don't need AS MUCH protein as people think, and not needing it at all are two different things.

Jodi - posted on 03/07/2011

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No, you said we don't need ANIMAL proteins. Julianne said we don't need proteins AT ALL.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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And I agree with Juliannes statement, and have said the same thing 2 times now.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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I am not just talking about Sharons post Jodi...that might have been the last straw..but give me a break.

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we dont need as much protein as people think, if we eat high enzyme diets, more raw food, we need even less protein because our bodies utilize what we put in it a lot better, i tried to clarify but apparently I'm too stupid to do so.

Jodi - posted on 03/07/2011

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Anyway, I'm not going to carry on that debate here, I just wanted to point that out. I don't think Sharon was being rude, just that she was extremely concerned about someone expressing that we don't need ANY proteins, that maybe she believes in this SO much that it is also her beliefs for her daughter.

Jodi - posted on 03/07/2011

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Marina, she did actually say we don't need proteins at all, not just animal proteins. I interpreted it to mean ALL proteins.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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I am going to answer something here that I didn't get to finish...@Sharon...she NEVER said she depletes proteing from her childs diet. We don't need as much protein as the average person thinks we need. We get plenty from alot of different sources.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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You guys were so unbelievable rude to her in her last post I think she just left. Nice. Way to cyberbully.

Jodi - posted on 03/07/2011

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I just went and read that thread then, I hadn't caught up with it yet, LOL.

Iridescent - posted on 03/07/2011

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She seems to have deleted her account on the page prior to the last page of the Herbivore debate.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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My sister is such a brat..she wrote that , but she is georgous and does know alot about this stuff.

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I don't like supplements. You can get everything your body needs from food. If you don't eat healthy, than supplements can help, but its better for you to get what you need from food.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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my sister sonja really knows a lot about this stuff and she looks absolutely gorgeous--proof in the pudding

Jodi - posted on 03/07/2011

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wasn't instigating a fight - if you want to take supplements, I don't care, but you shouldn't need to if your diet is healthy, that was my point.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/07/2011

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Not everyones diet is perfect Jodi. Everyone can get help with their immune system...but nice way to drag in another thread to instigate a fight ;)

(suppliments are not meant to replace healthy eating and excercise)

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