Justice?

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Define justice for me. I am curious as to what everyones interpretation of the word is. For me, justice is something that only exists in storybooks.



But what does it mean for you?

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Charlie - posted on 05/05/2011

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I personally do not think killing is any kind of justice for killing , would it make it ok If someone killed someone I love and I found them and killed them ? would I be any better than them ? No , in the end we would both be murderers with blood on our hands who hurt more than just the men we killed , the ripples that come from violence hurt innocent people on both sides .

This is the very core of my beliefes , you cannot fight violence with violence it affects my opinion from my parenting ethics , personal ethics and opinion on world topics and politics , human rights is a passion of mine ...sadly I think to be humane is becoming less of a human trait , tit for tat , cycles of abuse , from school fights to wars everyday .

I think my Dad taught me well as a child / teen as well as my martial arts instructor who instilled in me that it was only ever ok to defend yourself and defend yourself with all you have but never attack and do not seek vengence it only serves as poison to the soul.

JuLeah - posted on 05/05/2011

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I love this question. I have asked it of many and never received a solid answer. We talk about our 'Justice System' (here in America) and seem proud of ourselves. But, I work in this system and have yet to see anything I'd call justice. Sometimes things work out for some people in some cases, but really .... this is a system where it pays to be wealthy and white.

If a person harms me, sending them to jail for 50 yr is just not gonna make me feel better. It is not justice.

Often, we say we want justice with the life sentence or the death sentence, but really, we want revenge.

If you take money from me, you pay back the money.

If you bust up my car, replace it.

If you murder a person, you take over their responciblities in life ... so, say you kill a person with four kids. You now must send four kids through college and pay for braces.

You drink and drive, then you get to spend time helping victums of drunk drivers and talking to others about the error of your ways ... you burn a house down, you get to rebuild it .... how is jail ever a good idea except in cases where the person can't be fixed (they rape a child for example - that person needs to never see the light of day, they can't be fixed) but most can. Not in jail, but with the right intervention, most can be helped.

If we don't want criminals, we need to stop crime. The best way to do that is to stop it before he happends .... so lets not cut funding for head start and early intervention ... lets offer help to young parents and families in need .... if we actually cared about 'justice' we'd work towards that end, but I don't think we (the collective we) really care that much.



Ohh, in the case of rape, which is a crime of power and control, I think the power and control needs to be given fully to the victum. She/he gets to pick the punishment and the length (punishment is over when she/he says it is over)

~♥Little Miss - posted on 05/05/2011

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It really depends on the circumstance honestly. Justice to me on a topic, may be different to you. But here is the dictionary definition:

us·tice (jsts)
n.
1. The quality of being just; fairness.
2.
a. The principle of moral rightness; equity.
b. Conformity to moral rightness in action or attitude; righteousness.
3.
a. The upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.
b. Law The administration and procedure of law.
4. Conformity to truth, fact, or sound reason: The overcharged customer was angry, and with justice.
5. Abbr. J. Law
a. A judge.
b. A justice of the peace.
Idiom:
do justice to
To treat adequately, fairly, or with full appreciation: The subject is so complex that I cannot do justice to it in a brief survey.

Sneaky - posted on 05/05/2011

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Mostly I have faith that karma will deal out justice. I don't have that much faith in our criminal justice system.

Azza - posted on 05/06/2011

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@ Constance I'm paying full attention to what I hear , just hours ago I heard about the story of being brought back to Afghanstan, his 12 year daughter, was on TV and said so, as for burying in the sea, I'd like to correct this piece of information, it is something against his religion.His religion said that out of respect to the dead, the body should be buried not thrown in the sea. Anyway , I'm not defending him or judging him , because I am not God.I was trying to distinguish between the two concepts of "Revenge" & "Justice"

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Constance - posted on 05/06/2011

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@ Azza OBL was not brought to Afganistan and killed there. He was killed in his compound in Pakistan. We took his body to Afganistan and he was buried at sea out of RESPECT of his religon. Taking someone to another country to kill was what h did not us. At least pay attention to the whoe story and not just pieces.

Amy - posted on 05/06/2011

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To me justice is just having "Faith" that others will do the right thing, but not expecting that they will. The only person I can hold responsible to do what is right is me.

Azza - posted on 05/06/2011

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I completely agree to the idea that violence will definitely leads to more violence, No man on earth has the right to take justice in his hand on the purpose to make sure it is done.If every one claims that right that will take us back to dark and savage ages. If every considers himself a judge and takes justice in his hand we will have a chaotic society.By killing OBL in this way America made a hero of him.The new story says that he was captured and brought to Afghanstan where he was shot to death, had his head cut and his body was thrown in the pacific.Is that what do you call JUSTICE . It's a barbarian revenge with disregard to any ethical principles.OBL is definitely guilty but he is a human being and by doing this we ,as Venessa said "are stooping to the lowest level" He should be put to trial in front of millions of people. But ladies. after all Politics has its rules and influence and no body can deny.

Tara - posted on 05/05/2011

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I can honestly say that I don't believe in true justice. I was sexually abused by my former step father when I was a child. He never hurt me physically but he abused my sexuality as much as he abused me sexually.
On the 10th of this month I will find out if the Canadian Criminal Justice system feels that there is justice.
I have been in court for over 2 years, I hope they find him guilty, but it won't mean a whole lot to me, except that he knows I know and he will likely be on probation for a long time, won't get any jail time and will be on a sex offender list. Meh.. I was still fucked up for a lot of my life because of it, any punishment they give him will not be justice to me. But neither would him being killed, or maimed or raped by PeeWee in prison. I am a pacifist and I believe that violence perpetuates violence. I don't think there can be true justice in a case like mine, what is done is done. Nothing can change what he did or how it affected me, only I can choose how it continues to play a role in my life. Only I can bring justice to myself.
There is no real justice for crimes like this, but I agree, you burn someone's house, you rebuild it, you steal, you earn it back, etc. etc.

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I guess I never really thought of it that way.. :/ It really is important to see other people's perspectives to get a broader understanding I guess. :] I really appreciate these inputs.

Constance - posted on 05/05/2011

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We all have our beliefs and they can be different with every person. That is what makes our voice so important. We can state our opinions and someone doesn't have to agree with them but that is what givesboth sides to every story. For me I have always supported the decision to invade Irag but only because I did my research many years before the decision wasmade by our government and other countries. I can be bias when it comes to our military but in the case with Iraq I did my research.
Many years ago I read a story in a magazine. The inteview was with Sadaam and his 2 oldest sons. In the story they spoke of the torture that Sadaam had been doing to his own people for decades. When normal fathers were fishing with their sons, Sadaam was taking his children to the torture cambers to teach them how to torture for the maximum amout of pain without killing immedently. His sons had fined tuned Daddy's work and they admitted as well as he that Sadaam looked like a saint whne they took over the torture. They were so much more evil than their father was.
When the decision was made it wa based on weapons but it was also made because Sadaam had already invaded a neighboring country and he was talking very loudly that he was going to do it again. I can't even imagine what would have happened if his sons had taken power and they wee suppost to. But something to remember it was Sadaam own people( the people he thought h had full contol over) that took him to trial and gave him his sentence. If after Bush had lost a lot of support for the decision he made. I was still able to see the people of Iraq talk publicly thanking the US for the support and helping to free them from his torturous reign. Even though they knew they could be killed, it was more impotant that they told the world that the people of Iraq were greatful.
Stories of real people is what I listen to not just what my government says. You don't have to agree I just say listen to the people that think what we do is good. That is their justice.
Ou justice is not letting people walk all over us and to show we are strong.

Rosie - posted on 05/05/2011

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if it's not justice than what is the point of the legal system in general. i don't feel there is justice in locking someone up for the rest of their life if they've murdered someone.
in some ways i think the death penalty is the easiest way for everyone, and MORE humane. to me it's crueler to keep someone locked up for the rest of their life. how does that bring justice either? different people see things differently.

the war in iraq is a completely seperate issue than finding and killing osama bin laden. that was bush finishing what his daddy started. OBL wan't in iraq, has nothing to do with iraq. bush made up shit about WOMD to enter iraq to make it look like he wasn't finishing dad's work. WOMD and OBL are two completely seperate issues, that george bush tried to blend together to make an excuse to go to war with iraq. at least that's my opinion. :)

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Okay obviously my post was a little brief. What I was trying to say, is that on the previous page, Azza had stated that justice simply put is " Restoring equilibrium " which makes sense to me.

And how does the war in Iraq have nothing to do with this? Now I'm a skeptical person and I have my doubts about the truth behind this war. I have heard theories of WOMD, the greed for oil, to find OBL etc etc. I am not saying that any of these are fact, and we all believe in which ever theory that we want to. But what I think is important is that there were MANY deaths from all over the world over the last 10 year, but how do we justify it all? Is there truly an excuse to any of these, and most importantly for me, was there a restoration of equilibrium? Did anybody -truely- gain anything?

Kati what you say I don't completely disagree with it, OBL was a horrible man and perhaps he deserved what he got, but was it really justice? The sacrifices that were made, all the sadness caused by people being killed, but was all this desruction really worth it to get this one man? He was only a small part of what had happened with the terrorism. And you said that he shouldn't be allowed to live, but I personally believe that NOBODY has the right to decide that. YES he killed many innocent people, I don't deny that he was a sick man, but does that give us the right to decide who lives and dies? If anything, he in fact SHOULD have been kept alive to pay for all eternity for what he did. Killing him (this is just what I think btw) was just the easy way out for him. He's gone, yes. Will someone take his place, most probably. Does the sadness end? Never at this rate.

I really don't want to offend people, but this is just what I think. I think that killing is wrong, no matter what the reason behind it is. The 9/11 attack killed hundreds of people, but by attacking another country in rebellion is only doing the same thing. It has nothing to do with "who started what" because if we all let ourselves stoop to the lowest level, then what are we going to achieve? What justice will remain?

Rosie - posted on 05/05/2011

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vanessa, the war in iraq is a completely seperate thing (at least to me) than killing osama bin laden. i do not support what was done in iraq. i do support killing osama bin laden. he should not be allowed to live and continue to kill more innocent people. osama being killed IS justice.
does justice bring back those he's killed? well no, of course not. what should've been done with him?

Constance - posted on 05/05/2011

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As far as eveything going on over seas I am a supporter but military and politics have been in my blood since before I was born. I think everyone does have a choice to be in the mix oron the outside. But for me I don't just look at the damage done to Americans. I also look at the threat to the counntries around me. When someone is a threat to millions of other people then I warrent what is beng done.
As far as justice in ourcountry or any other country fo crimes such as murder, rape, etc.... Justice isn't when we put the person behind bars. It is when we can forgive ourself that it wasn't our fault that is justice.

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Okay, so now that we all have brilliant interpretations of the word justice and what it means to each of us, I (will now drag the story) to the topic of the war in Iraq, Pakistan etc, I just want to see whether your understanding of justice still applies to this situation or not. i am getting bashed in another conversation because of what my beliefs are, and I just want to know if people can just tell me in a civil way. :/

Azza - posted on 05/05/2011

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I liked your dictionary definition of the word "justice "Marina. I think that makes it clear that the word "justice" can stand a lot of other meanings, not only to be connected to crimes & criminals. In other words it is as Jessica said " Restoring equilibrium "

Sara - posted on 05/05/2011

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To me justice is someone like a child molester getting caught, going to prison and then raped everyday by his cell mate Big Pee Wee for the rest of his life.

I realize the whole idea of "eye for an eye" is just a vicious cycle of violence that will never have an end, and when it comes to things like war I don't believe that there is such a thing as justice, because it's all about perspective. What is justice to you may be an atrocity to another person, hence the cycle of violence. But I'm sticking with my child molester thoughts. Sick fuckers.

Veronique - posted on 05/05/2011

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It means nothing to me! Because the word justice is used so freely. Someone murders the person you love, they are caught,bought to court and given a sentence VOILA justice. Ummmm no sorry because the person i love is still gone forever. Yeah it helps a little withthe mourning but it's not justice. Someone gets rape, the rapist is caught again brought to court and sentenced. I'm sorry but how is that justice for the victim. She had something taken from her. She had someone violate her, take something that was so private away from her. So no i don't believe that there's ever going to be such a thing as justice.

Tina - posted on 05/05/2011

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I like to think it exists but so often you hear of criminals particularly child offenders getting away with their crimes altogether or getting off lightly. It's quite easy to lose faith but once in awhile their is justice. When a dangerous person is prevented from hurting someone again I see that is justice.

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I agree Jodi&Jennifer..my parents thought me that and in turn i thought my girls that.I think its a very important lesson to teach.:-)

Jenni - posted on 05/05/2011

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Justice is not stooping to your assailants level... It's rising above it.

Jodi - posted on 05/05/2011

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Something I teach my children...."just because he/she hit you, does NOT make it okay to hit back". It really only then creates an ongoing cycle of violence. At some point, someone has to take the high road to stop it. It makes sense to stop it sooner rather than later, before someone gets seriously hurt......

Charlie - posted on 05/05/2011

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I personally do not think killing is any kind of justice for killing , would it make it ok If someone killed someone I love and I found them and killed them ? would I be any better than them ? No , in the end we would both be murderers with blood on our hands who hurt more than just the men we killed , the ripples that come from violence hurt innocent people on both sides .

This is the very core of my beliefes , you cannot fight violence with violence it affects my opinion from my parenting ethics , personal ethics and opinion on world topics and politics , human rights is a passion of mine ...sadly I think to be humane is becoming less of a human trait , tit for tat , cycles of abuse , from school fights to wars everyday .

I think my Dad taught me well as a child / teen as well as my martial arts instructor who instilled in me that it was only ever ok to defend yourself and defend yourself with all you have but never attack and do not seek vengence it only serves as poison to the soul.

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I really have no clue anymore.As all i hear about is injustice in the world....:-(
I have heard of in this country..of a man getting more for stealing than a man got for beating&raping a woman.I mean what the f**k.

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But does killing justify killing? Death + death will always equal more death. Nothing good comes from it though.

Jessica - posted on 05/04/2011

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To me, justice is about restoring equilibrium, at least as best as you can. Its tipping the scale back to even. That's my simplified, general interpretation; obviously it gets more complicated depending n circumstances.

Etheena - posted on 05/04/2011

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Justice is a fallacy...designed to make most judges and lawyers feel acclompished. I don't understand how a persone with 3 restraining orders out against them for domestic violence gets 60 days in jail and then released. I just don't get our judicial system at all sometimes...

Ashley - posted on 05/04/2011

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I see justice as a punishment to crime you can never erase the crime but there should be a conceqence to every action. It may not be good enough but at least its something.

Amber - posted on 05/04/2011

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I think it depends on the situation as to my belief in justice.
Murder, rape, molestation...things like that, I don't know that there is justice for that. No matter what happens to the criminal the crime can never be undone.

In other cases, I think there can be justice if the victims feel closure and the criminal can be reformed.

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