Keeping dogs tied up

Nikki - posted on 09/18/2011 ( 392 moms have responded )

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Do you think it's cruel to keep dogs tied up for most of their life? Or necessary for some dogs?

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~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/19/2011

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America, it really sounds like your dogs lack social interaction of any kind. That really makes me quite sad. I really feel very badly for them.

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The dogs I have been speaking of can't be inside of a night at all it's just not feasable. The next best option is to tie them up while they won't be being watched. If they are left off then they will chase animals and I think them being tied up is a hell of a lot better then them chasing the kangaroos and being kicked to death. I have never known of an animal to come into the dogs territory except for kangaroo's and I have seen first hand the damage a kangaroo can do to a dog.
I don't think it's as cut and dry as it's being made out to be.

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2011

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Kate she did say they are let off to run and are played with. So I think that counts as interacting with them.

America3437 - posted on 09/19/2011

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I have 5 dogs and 4 of them are outside chain dogs. We don't really have people over so my dogs don't know "people". They will chase anything that comes in my yard. I live in the country and people walk up and down the road on horses, ride 4 wheelers, etc.. and for my dog's saftey and the public's saftey I keep them tied up. This does break my heart but they are let off to run and are played with and taken very good care of. I hope to have my entire land fenced soon so they have the freedom to run!

Constance - posted on 09/19/2011

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Putting a dog out on a lead to use the bathroom is one thing but to tie them to a tree an never letting them off is wrong.

Jane - posted on 09/19/2011

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@Kate - I agree! I might not have said that in my previous posts but I do agree with you. Our bassets are never off leash when we are at our home on 2/3's acre because of the roads and I can't 100% trust they will stay. They get a sniff of something and that takes over any commands we might have trained them with. On our 70 acres, however, they have a lot of freedom but even then, we don't let them wander out of bell sound (if you saw what I posted before, we put bells on their collars so we can "hear" where they are at).



But, getting back to the original question, it's just mean and cruel and inhumane to tether a dog for most of it's life! Plain and simple and I think, as a trainer, you probably 100% agree with that :)



Edited to add: Well, not NEVER off leash on our 2/3 acre property....early morning or at night, they come out in the yard and run when we know the traffic is light or non-existent. They also have a 500 square foot fenced dog area that they can get to from the house so they can spend time outside when we are not home if they so choose to.

Kate CP - posted on 09/19/2011

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As a pet training instructor I have to say, YES all dogs CAN be trained. That does not mean that all dogs can have their instinctual reactions removed.

Greyhounds are sight hounds and LOVE to run. You could have a greyhound who has a PERFECT stay and a PERFECT recall. And you will NEVER find a greyhound owner who advocates walking that dog off leash. It's too risky. Same thing with huskies. My husky was a licensed therapy dog, had his CGC, and was my demo dog during training classes. I could put him in a down stay for 30 minutes to an hour and the boy wouldn't move for no man. But the moment he saw an open door or gate he was GONE. He had a perfect recall and a perfect stay command and his heel was EXCELLENT (especially if you consider he was a Siberian Husky!) and it was ingrained in his breeding to just RUN. That boy was never without a leash and if he was out back in my fenced yard I was watching him like a hawk.

Yes, you can train a dog. You can't remove hundred of years of breeding and instincts, however.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/19/2011

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It is just as bad as having a dog or cat live out its lives in a cage....well....not as bad...but pretty damn bad. At least they can move more freely on a chain...unless it is like 2 ft long and it is a big dog.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/19/2011

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I think you hit the nail on the head with your first thought. This is primarily IMO talking about animals that spend most of their lives chained up period.

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2011

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That was my initial thought too but I was verifying because that could also mean chained everytime they ever need to go out for their entire life.

Jane - posted on 09/19/2011

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Yeah, I was not talking about leashing dogs. I walk my dogs on a leash...I don't consider that cruel. I also don't consider it cruel if you are outside with your animals spending a day at the park (or in your yard, for that matter) and they are leashed while with you because you don't have a fenced area or they roam. I was looking at this where people tether their dogs all day long and never let them off.

AND, I still believe that all dogs can be trained! I've been a dog owner since the mid-80's and I have either taken my dogs for training or have trained on my own and have been very successful. I have found that people who have dogs that don't behave, it's because they do not do any or enough training up front. That is just my opinion...I'm not accusing anyone of anything so let me state that for the record.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/19/2011

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The OP states "Do you think it's cruel to keep dogs tied up for most of their life?" In my interpretation it indeed means for the majority of its life as an outdoor pet.

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2011

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@Marina Which is kind of what I was questioning in my original post on this thread did she mean chaining up and left by themselves for life and just throw them some food or chaining for any length of time during the day when the family was outside or to go to the bathroom?? She never came back to explain exactly what she meant.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/19/2011

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And your last point Sherri is exactly why LEASH LAWS are in place. That is not the same as chaining an animal outside permanently.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/19/2011

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Leaving a dog outside on a run for 15 minutes (although CAN be dangerous for the pet) is totally different than leaving the dog outside to live on a chain. Just want to throw that out there.

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2011

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@Jane you said All dogs can be trained to behave and not need to be tied up.



This is just not true for all dogs. Yes they can be trained to a point but not to wander or instinctively chase things not always. For these dogs a lot of times it is ingrained in them.

Sherri - posted on 09/19/2011

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See here if you don't have a fenced yard and you have a dog that wanders or instinctively chases things. There are several dogs you will NEVER be able to break them of this. I see no problem with chaining as long as they are only out when your out and are still a part of your family. Because if they chase something run in the street or chase someone you can be in huge trouble.

Actually and several breeds are considered vicious and HAVE to be chained or fenced whenever they are outside it is NOT an option depending on where you live and the laws in your town, city or state. Even if your dog is not vicious or has never bitten anyone. Just the breed itself is considered vicious and there are certain laws for those breeds in a lot of states.

Jane - posted on 09/19/2011

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@Sherri - you said "@Jane it also depends on your dog, location and local laws." I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. What did I say in my post that lead you to say that???

Kate CP - posted on 09/19/2011

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I have friends who are cattle ranchers and they own farm dogs. Those dogs don't live outside on a chain. They live in the house with the people or in the barn where it's warm and they have shelter. There is no reason to keep a dog chained up outside all the time.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/19/2011

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Yes extremely cruel and inhumane. If you are going to get a dog to chain up in the back yard, might as well just get a statue. You are not looking for a companion. Have a heart, give the dog a better home than you can provide.

JL - posted on 09/19/2011

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On Federal installations like military bases there are clear rules regarding dogs being on leashes and chains. Dogs are to be kept on leashes when being walked outside but they are NOT to be kept on leashes and chains outside for long periods of time unattended. You can't just put your dog on a chain and leave them outside. You will be fined and if the act continues your dog will be removed from your care. It's cruel and it's dangerous. If you have to keep your dog chained up outside all day then you need to give your dog to someone who can actually care for them.

Mary - posted on 09/19/2011

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The difference is in the dog's susceptibility and vulnerability to others - dogs, humans, or other animals. Dogs that are left tethered outdoors cannot escape. As well, the actual tether itself poses a threat to their safety; it can become tangled around them, further restricting their mobility, or even injuring the animal outright ( as minimal as abrasions, and as catastrophic as strangulation).

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What's the difference of leaving a dog locked inside a house all day if you are at work or can't take the dog with you then having it on a chain/run whatever outside?
Mary I just want to make it clear that they are only tethered if me parents need to leave the property or of a night depending on the dog. Not all of thir dogs have had to be tethered just the ones that wandered. The dog they have now they have had for over 10 years and he is never tied up in anyway.

Mary - posted on 09/19/2011

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An interesting note about farm/working dogs....

In 1996, the US Department of Agriculture issued a ruling against the "permanent tethering" of dogs, stating, "....Our experience in enforcing the Animal Welfare Act has led us to conclude that continuous confinement of dogs by a tether is inhumane. A tether significantly restricts a dog's movement. A tether can also become tangled around or hooked on the dog's shelter structure or other objects, further restricting the dog's movement and potentially causing injury...."

Charlie - posted on 09/18/2011

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Yes its cruel .... dont have a dog if thats how its life is going to be.

Sherri - posted on 09/18/2011

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Well for the 1st year of my dogs life anytime he went outside he was leashed we did not have a fence then and so yes he was leashed. However, he only ever went outside when we did and was in when we were.



We now have a fenced yard and he has not been leashed in almost 2yrs.



So I don't think it is cruel as long as they are living with the family. However, if you are saying just living 24/7 outside by themselves on a leash. Wow yes that is really wrong and cruel.



@Jane it also depends on your dog, location and local laws.

Jane - posted on 09/18/2011

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I think it's cruel. I guess I don't get why anyone would have a dog if all they do is tie it up. I have three basset hounds (and 4 others who have since passed over the years) and they were never tied up. They are in the house with us when we're in and outside with us when we're out. All dogs can be trained to behave and not need to be tied up...trust me...bassets are probably the MOST stubborn dogs. Our oldest is 4 and the youngest is a little under 2 and they are always a work in progress with regards to staying with us versus running into the street. When we're at our cabin which is on 70 acres, they are able to roam free because there is no fear of being hit by a car. However, they wear bear bells on the collars....not for bears but so we can hear where they are at. We have taught them specific word commands where they immediately come to us. If they are too far to hear us, we use a rescue whistle and they know, when they hear that, they come. Again...if basset's can be trained to do that...any dog can be because bassets will let their noses be their guide and if their nose is to the ground, nothing else matters.

Lady Heather - posted on 09/18/2011

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Yes, cruel. Would never do it. I adopted an old man dog who was tied up for 12 years and it took me a couple of months to get him used to being able to walk around freely. He would just walk around and around in a circle because that's all he knew to do. It was so sad.

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I think its cruel. Living on a chain is not a life. Its imprisonment, Dogs are suppose to be our friends, not our property.

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My dog is a houndx of sorts he isn't a massive dog but boy can he jump! I was at my SIL place and they had taken us to their neighbours for a swim and the damn dog jumped the 6ft fence just to join in the pool... Pain in the arse wouldn't jump back though.
Mary, I know you're not being unkind. It's all good. I just don't agree when it comes to dogs on farms.

Nikki - posted on 09/18/2011

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I had a neighbour who had two large dogs and one of them would jump the 6ft fence and he was quite aggressive. So he was kept tied up all day and night. In 3 months I never saw him off the chain. Then they went out and brought another puppy. I just couldn't see the point in having the dog if your going to keep them tied up 24/7. Just wanted to see what everyone else thought.

I do understand the culture of working dogs being tied up.

Becky - posted on 09/18/2011

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I used to own a Greyhound . . . totally an inside dog! He has spurts of energy that would last all of 10, 15 min's! He'd spend the rest of his day sleeping anywhere near to me, or thrusting his head under my hand & forcing me to pet him on his terms! lol!

Oh, and I just have to point this out because it bugs me . . . a pit bull is a dog trained to fight in a pit! American Stratfordshire Terrier is the correct name for the breed. I mean no offence, but too many people give the breed a bad name by failing to train then properly or by abusing or training them to be "pit bulls." I love the breed personally and hate to see others give a good dog a bad name!

Brittany - posted on 09/18/2011

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I do not have dogs, we have ferrets ♥. No I do not think it is ok to keep your dog chained up all day.

If you feel it is necessary to keep your dog on a chain all day then you need to reevaluate that dog for your family or schedule.

When I am finished with school and have a house of my own my husband and I are planning on have a Mastiff, Greyhound and I am still trying to talk him into a Pit Bull. They will have large enough cages with a cement bottom, house and toys but, I will not buy a chain. I refuse to buy a chain for them.

Becky - posted on 09/18/2011

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I'd leave my dogs out all day . . .when it's a nice day, and I'm home and typically only if we're also going to spend the day outside too! I love my dogs . . .they do not "live" outside, they spend some time outside. They are NEVER left outside when the family is not home!

My father in law adopted a dog from the shelter whose previous life was nothing more than being chained up in a yard before he was finally surrendered . . . luckily for him he now has the hard life of sleeping on a cushion next to the bed, walks every night, frequent travels out to the country & where ever else my FIL winds up & dogs are allowed and daily devoted love & attention!!! (he's outright SPOILED! lol)

Firebird - posted on 09/18/2011

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I'm pretty sure that's not even legal where I am. I could be wrong though. If you need to tie a dog up for a short period of time on rare occasions (like when the latch for our gate broke, or when we re-painted the fence), that's one thing, but last I heard, it's not legal here to do it all day every day.

Kate CP - posted on 09/18/2011

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YES It's cruel! If you want a dog why keep them tied up outside all the time??

Rosie - posted on 09/18/2011

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i think it's cruel. i've only seen those types of dogs be aggressive, and i'm sure it has to do with them being tied up all the time. one time i saw a pit bull (or pit bull look alike as i have now found out thanks to COM, LOL) tied up in the most horrible way. the lead was not long enough, and it was clipped onto the side of the house at the top of the stairs of the porch. the dog reached the ground, but it couldn't move, it's head was pulled up high, it looked like it was being strangled. i called the police. it was fucking ridiculous. i hope i never see it like that again, the few times i've passed the house again, i havn't seen a dog at all so hopefully it got taken away.

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I have always found it cruel and downright sad that a dog would be tied up all day long. of course Mary said it best (as always) so I won't repeat what she wrote. And outside tied up dog leads a pretty lonely life. If this is a "pet" then the dog owner has no business owning a dog. Even working dogs, like mentioned above, need to have a sense of a home and shelter. Not just left out on a 50 foot run out in the open. The only acceptable time I would think a dog should be tied up is when you go camping-and even my 50 foot lead seems too short to be able to wander the camp site.

Mary - posted on 09/18/2011

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Shannen, the problem with leaving a dog tied up outside is that they are then vulnerable to whatever happens along. You are leaving them unprotected from other animals and humans, without a means of escape. As well, chaining a dog for long periods of times has been shown to increase aggression, and to cause boredom and stress.

The Humane Society has issued a position against this practice.

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/chai...

I'm really not trying to be unkind, but I still find it unacceptable in both your and your father's situations. Again - would you leave your child outside this way? Even if they have access to adequate shelter, food, and water, you are still leaving them unprotected from attack an abuse by others, as well as the potential of self inflicted harm should they become tangled or caught up in that chain/rope/tether.

To me, it is unquestionably neglect that often teeters into abuse - even if it unintentional.

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Mary, In general I agree except for farm dogs.
My parents have always 2 dogs minimum. Of a day time they are off the 'chain' (connected to a kennel) while my father is outside doing whatever work he is doing but of a night or when they leave the property the dogs or dog, depending on the dogs personality gets tied up. I don't see anything wrong with this in any way.
When I first got my oldest dog nearly 6 years ago I was living in a house with no fences and I had no other option but to have a run set up in the back yard for when I wasn't home and most nights. I never did it to be cruel but because I only rent and I can't afford to fix the damage that he may have done while I wasn't home.

For most of the dogs life though is a whole other story. I have seen dogs that have gone literally mad from being tied up their entire lives.

Mary - posted on 09/18/2011

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How can it ever be "necessary"?

To answer the question - YES, I think it is cruel to keep a dog tied up, especially if you are leaving them outside unsupervised. If you do not have the luxury of fenced-in yard, then you need to be taking that dog outside for walks on a leash. The only time I can sort of see using a tie-out system is if you (briefly) let the dog out to take care of business, and stay at the door watching them for the duration that they are out there. It's not something I think should be done on a regular basis, but I could sort of justify it in cases of bad weather, where the owner, for whatever reason, is unable to walk the dog.

If you are unable to properly supervise and exercise your animal, than you have no business having one. Leaving a dog tied up outside for hours on end unsupervised is (to me), no different than leaving a toddler tied up outside alone.

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