Moisturizers and Cancer

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 06/04/2011 ( 61 moms have responded )

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http://www.sunflowernaturals.com/article...

A study (done a while ago) found that using moisturizers can increase chances of skin cancer. The ones they tested were Eucerin 24% Dermabase 69% Vanicream 58% and Johnson and Johnson which didn't increase chances at all.

It made me quit using Eucerin. Do any of you still use these products? Do you pay any attention to what is in your moisturizers?

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I'm so sick of "XYZ causes cancer" statements. You have to read more about the specific study.



This study was done on mice, and the researchers who conducted the study have said they don't know the effect on humans yet. Also, the kind of skin cancer the moisturizers caused in the mice was the non-lethal kind.



http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14...



Leffell also highlights important differences between mice and men.



The skin of mice is much thinner, so we cannot conclude that the same effects would be noted in humans. What's more, there are several agents that are known to cause skin cancer in mice but do not have the same effect in people.



"Moisturizers are used more in women than in men, yet we do not see a relative increase in skin cancer in women compared with men," he adds.

Rosie - posted on 06/04/2011

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if you want people to gain the knowledge of this, i would suggest maybe being a little less critical and judgemental. they might be a bit more receptive then.

Dana - posted on 06/05/2011

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I wonder if this is in any way connected to the study done that some sunscreens were found to accelerate skin cancer because of the vitamin A added. Which ironically is added to help prevent aging of the skin.



Of course now they're taking out the vitamin A in sunscreens.

Rosie - posted on 06/04/2011

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you were being critical of her and condescending. she's not going to listen to someone who is condescending, therefore not going to be receptive to what you have to say on the matter. that's why your attitude would affect a good source of information.
anyway i dont' want to to turn this into a why your attitude stinks thread. i just wanted to point out that people aren't going to be receptive to someone telling them they don't care about themselves.

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Jenn - posted on 06/06/2011

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I wonder what the actual numbers are though. That 33% is only the risk of getting it, not how many people actually do. Either way, even if it was only 1% it sucks. :(

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 06/06/2011

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Some cancer statistics:
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/
More than 50% of the population will be diagnosed with cancer during their lifetime and the percentage is steadily climbing.

http://www.thomlatimercares.org/Cancer_F...
In the US, men have a 1 in 2 lifetime risk of developing cancer, and for women the risk is 1 in 3.


the last one, the .org is probably more reliable.
i guess what i heard before was totally wrong :)
our risk is somewhere around 33% for women to develope cancer

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 06/06/2011

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ohhhhhhhhhhh no. :( :( :( no no no.......

I just researched it.

http://www.sustainablefoodnews.com/story...

they made adjustments to their claims a week ago (jun 1st) to add MORE against monsanto and got 23 more plaintiffs to join the cause against monsanto. So it's still on, and they are still fighting the corperate giant of an ass Monsanto :) yaaaaaaaay
omg I hope they win. What Monsanto does is criminal

Rosie - posted on 06/06/2011

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the lawsuit you were talking about. however i think i may have it confused with something that was going on in my state with organic farmers, what that is i can't even remember anymore, lol. i just spent the whole day in the heat as well...;P

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 06/06/2011

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What case? Farts is lost :( lol



I just took my 6month prego ass out walking around the park in the heat....... I'm not all here yet lol

Sherri - posted on 06/06/2011

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Honestly could care less what is in them as long as they help with my suffering of my eczema. I currently use Gold Bond Ultimate. It is my saving grace.

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Most I could find was a cancer website talking about women getting it about 25% of the time. I'm like hmmmmm, that's alot lower than what I remember being shocked by

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 06/06/2011

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Me either, nope. Wonder where the hell I heard it from now LOL

Jenn - posted on 06/06/2011

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Did you find a link yet that talks about how many women will get cancer? I did a quick search the other day with no luck.

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Yeah, that's something that not a lot of people don't know Iris. That products do get banned all the time in other countries and yet remain widely available in the US. It sucks.



I try to watch all the food documentaries and well.. any of the other big ones too.



Which one talked about Monsanto owning almost all the soy beans? It made me wonder if all these vegan/vegetarians know they are eating GMO seeds... GMO food as their primary 'meat' substitute. Made me not want to eat corn anymore when I found out (later through another source) that they also provide seeds for most of our corn grown too. Ick



It's mind boggling that they have come up with such a technology and I wonder how it affects our bodies.



I read that a class action law suit was just made by the organic food growers association or a group of them against Monsanto saying Monsanto is infecting their crops. I should go check to see if it's made much progress. It's been a month or two.........

Emma - posted on 06/06/2011

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I use Simple which I don't think contains any of those ingredients. I did check and couldn't see any. However, my 4 yr olds eczema creams all contain paraffin oil or liquid paraffin! Definetely made me think about what creams I could use on him that do not contain these ingredients!

Iris - posted on 06/06/2011

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I have to agree with you. I do think you are making valid points and I think it's helpful.

We are slowly getting aware of what is "good" food and what is "bad" food. Same goes with what you put on your body.

Many products here in the States are banned in Europe for the reason that certain chemicals aren't considered safe by the European standard. It might go both ways, I don't know. But I do think it's good to be aware of what you eat and what you use on your body.

BTW, I'm skeptical of lot of products here. I'm born and grew up in Europe, I know many products that got banned from US for health reasons. So I wont go out buying Trix (breakfast cereal) or any other product that has been banned for health reasons in Europe. I just think that if people are interested, they should read up on what they are eating or putting on their body.

Have you watched the documentary Food Matters or Food inc? My take is that you should get informations from all sides and do your own research, don't be naive about things and still, don't get too paranoid.

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Discontinued products are more a question of marketing than danger.

Every big bucks company out there will discontinue products and reintroduce them, "new and improved" with flashy new packaging... most of the time there is very little change in the actual product.

And maybe 70% of women do get some sort of cancer in their lives... considering we live to a much older age than we did 50+ years ago, I'm not sure that's unexpected.

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 06/05/2011

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See that website I posted was talking about how mineral oil is the amplifier in moisturizers that cause them to be more harmful to us. Nivea has it in it too... and I'm shocked how many Nivea products have been discontinued.. wonder why. Weird..
http://www.dermstore.com/long_Nivea_1001...
could be just an economy thing though.

Bernie - posted on 06/05/2011

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I use Nivea, cheap from the supermarket. I have used this for the past 10 years.
With sunscreen in your moisturizer, you only need a min of spf15 or 30, you add a extra "0" to the end and thats how many hours it protects you for.
A good hypoallergenic brand is Almay (owned by Revlon)

Stifler's - posted on 06/05/2011

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I use Norwex aloe vera face and neck gel but before that I always just used aloe vera gel from the supermarket, really cheap and it's supposed to be for sunburn but it does wonders to get rid of redness and stuff on your skin normally. I don't have any plants but my parents do so that's what I used at home. My skin still sucks a bit though.

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 06/05/2011

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Just curious. Do you use straight plant? A gel? Lotion? My boyfriend is an avid aloe lotion person.. I have never used it before.. we always had the gel or a real plant sitting around. I think the lotion is just kinda odd lol

Stifler's - posted on 06/05/2011

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I use Aloe vera... I doubt that causes cancer. Anything else tends to be too heavy on my skin and makes me excessively oily.

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Dunno, I'll try to find it. But I do remember it was 70 - 75% becasue I sat there thinking 'Crap! 3 out of 4 women are going to get cancer? That is horrible' and I was shocked at such a high statistic lol I'll try to find it

Jenn - posted on 06/05/2011

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I don't use moisturizer because I have oily skin - nature's moisturizer. ;) Where did you hear that 70% of women will have cancer? I've never heard that before.

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You told me to stop scaremongering........ how else am I to interpret it? That you typed it so it's not calling me it? That........ posting info is scaremongering period? I don't get it. It's still a logical fallacy due to its non-importance and blatant attack towards something that I think most people would agree is you calling this article or me scaremongering.



Okay, so you found the original article. Even so, the ingredients in some of these are questionable as I just posted before your response. So even if you don't agree with the original findings of mice and cancer and that study's outcome... there are other factors to discuss like each ingredient in it.



Oh... and now it's sensationalist news articles and dubious sites. Another logical fallacy attack. If you want to talk about something, talk. Discuss. Quit calling stuff names. It's not doing anyone good?

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Please note that I did not call you a scaremonger or any names whatsoever. (Even if I did -- wouldn't that be an improvement over the handle you've chosen for yourself?)



And I don't "disagree" with the cancer study. Whatever that means.



I'm posting what the researchers of the study have said, rather than sensationalist news articles and dubious sites selling "natural" products.

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Oh, and I think the link I chose to start this debate was a good one due to the fact the website talks about individual ingredients in each moisturizer that are harmful. So even if you disagree with the cancer study on these products, there is some merit to their ingredients being questionably harmful.

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I'm not trying to scare anyone. I'm just posting and looking for a discussion. I personally chose to stop using it, but if you do not that is fine. Also, if you do not believe the article, that is fine. The last time I looked, personal attacks are not a proper way to debate a topic so I think calling me a scaremonger is technically a logical fallacy. Therefore, you were on target by posting a link which disagrees with what I posted. But you went way off base and out of line in a simple discussion by calling me names and suggesting this whole thing is simply used to scare people.

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It's not un-lethal just less lethal

As a cancer survivor, I can tell you that many cancers (including many skin cancers) are very treatable. Some skin cancers are deadly, but those did not occur in the mice.

Besides, are you a mouse who wears moisturizer?

Then stop scaremongering.

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The resultant skin cancers were basal cell and squamous cell carcinomas, and not the more lethal melanomas.

It's not un-lethal just less lethal

Becky - posted on 06/04/2011

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Apparently their baby products contain carginogens. I don't have a link, but I'll try to find one.

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Oh, and what bad rep do their products have? I'll try to find it but sometimes its hard so any reference to whatever you heard would be great :)

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Haha that bites....... us big whiteys just get toasted in that sun. I have to hide hide hide from it

Becky - posted on 06/04/2011

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I find it interesting that Johnson and Johnson doesn't raise the risk at all, considering the bad rap they get for their baby products! Anyways, I usually use either Clean and Clear (which I think is J&J?), neutrogena, or oil of olay. I'm not loyal to any particular brand. I do care if things are going to raise my risk of skin cancer, but, considering the number and severity of sunburns I had as a child, I think I'm pretty much doomed anyways!

Lady Heather - posted on 06/04/2011

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My worst one is calendula oil. It KILLS me. I was almost scared to try the jojoba, but it's good. I just don't like straight up oils in the summer time and it seems like any time it's mixed with something else they throw in something I can't touch. And the really big problem is I can't always tell what it is that's causing the problem so trying new products to see what works is an expensive test. Probably spent a good $75 to not even find something this spring before I just went back to the Clinique for the summer. Guess if I die then that will suck. But I won't have hives so yay!

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Vitamin E oil is good, worked great for my moms scars too. She had surgery and you cannot see the mark at all. That bites. Some of the natural organic stuff makes me break out too. I'm allergic to citrus and organic cleaners love to use stuff like Lemon. I can't. Talk about swelling and hives haha

Lady Heather - posted on 06/04/2011

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I use whatever I'm not allergic too, so many of the "natural" products are no good for me. I can't tell you how many chemical free, organic moisturizers I've tried that have burned my skin and left me covered with hives. It's scary. In the winter I use straight up jojoba oil because my skin gets so dry. In the summer I use chemically Clinique because my skin seems to like it. So I'm killing myself for a few months a year. Meh. Feels like everything is going to kill me these days.

Lacye - posted on 06/04/2011

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Really? I think I need to go and get some! I don't get pimples as bad as I used to but they still come and go. They were worse when I was pregnant. I had these horrible zits that would pop up on the inside of my nose. Ouch! Sorry. TMI

Katherine - posted on 06/04/2011

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Oh mine's HORRIBLE!!!! It's crazy but you know what works Layce? Vitamin E oil. Clears my skin right up.

Katherine - posted on 06/04/2011

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Live in a bubble is what I say and even then the bubble probably has some carcinogen in it.

Katherine - posted on 06/04/2011

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I use Clinique, it's the only one that doesn't make me break out. Is there NOTHING that doesn't cause cancer?

Lacye - posted on 06/04/2011

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I don't use moisturizers because I have naturally oily skin. If I put moisturizer on my skin, it would be like putting baby oil on my entire body. Not a good thing!

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She doesn't care anyway so what does it matter? Besides I don't want anyone to listen to me. I'm not God. I was just putting an idea out there.

Yes, in my opinion doing things that are deliberately harmful to yourself is not good behavior but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put that together and anyone reading her post is going to see she doesn't care so me pointing it out and saying 'I don't get it' isn't horribly rube. I didn't call her an idiot or anything condescending. I just don't get it.

Andddddddd if she gets skin cancer some day I'm not going to feel bad because I said 'I don't understand why you don't care about your health' to her which caused HER to not read an article and make a possible better decision. Because she had already made her decision to keep using this possibly harmful product before my comment was made so therefore my comment has absolutely no weight on her decision.

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