New study says all red meat is bad for you

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According to a 20yr study of 37,698 men and 83,644 women, the consumption of red meat, processed or unprocessed, increased the possibility of premature mortality by 13 to 20%.



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ALL RED MEAT IS BAD FOR YOU, NEW STUDY SAYS

A long-term study finds that eating any amount and any type increases the risk of premature death.



By Eryn Brown, Los Angeles Times

March 12, 2012, 4:28 p.m.



Eating red meat — any amount and any type — appears to significantly increase the risk of premature death, according to a long-range study that examined the eating habits and health of more than 110,000 adults for more than 20 years.



For instance, adding just one 3-ounce serving of unprocessed red meat — picture a piece of steak no bigger than a deck of cards — to one's daily diet was associated with a 13% greater chance of dying during the course of the study.



Even worse, adding an extra daily serving of processed red meat, such as a hot dog or two slices of bacon, was linked to a 20% higher risk of death during the study.



"Any red meat you eat contributes to the risk," said An Pan, a postdoctoral fellow at the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston and lead author of the study, published online Monday in the Archives of Internal Medicine.



Crunching data from thousands of questionnaires that asked people how frequently they ate a variety of foods, the researchers also discovered that replacing red meat with other foods seemed to reduce mortality risk for study participants.



Eating a serving of nuts instead of beef or pork was associated with a 19% lower risk of dying during the study. The team said choosing poultry or whole grains as a substitute was linked with a 14% reduction in mortality risk; low-fat dairy or legumes, 10%; and fish, 7%.



Previous studies had associated red meat consumption with diabetes, heart disease and cancer, all of which can be fatal. Scientists aren't sure exactly what makes red meat so dangerous, but the suspects include the iron and saturated fat in beef, pork and lamb, the nitrates used to preserve them, and the chemicals created by high-temperature cooking.



The Harvard researchers hypothesized that eating red meat would also be linked to an overall risk of death from any cause, Pan said. And the results suggest they were right: Among the 37,698 men and 83,644 women who were tracked, as meat consumption increased, so did mortality risk.



In separate analyses of processed and unprocessed meats, the group found that both types appear to hasten death. Pan said that at the outset, he and his colleagues had thought it likely that only processed meat posed a health danger.



Carol Koprowski, a professor of preventive medicine at USC's Keck School of Medicine who wasn't involved in the research, cautioned that it can be hard to draw specific conclusions from a study like this because there can be a lot of error in the way diet information is recorded in food frequency questionnaires, which ask subjects to remember past meals in sometimes grueling detail.



But Pan said the bottom line was that there was no amount of red meat that's good for you.



"If you want to eat red meat, eat the unprocessed products, and reduce it to two or three servings a week," he said. "That would have a huge impact on public health."



A majority of people in the study reported that they ate an average of at least one serving of meat per day.



Pan said that he eats one or two servings of red meat per week, and that he doesn't eat bacon or other processed meats.



Cancer researcher Lawrence H. Kushi of the Kaiser Permanente Division of Research in Oakland said that groups putting together dietary guidelines were likely to pay attention to the findings in the study.



"There's a pretty strong supposition that eating red meat is important — that it should be part of a healthful diet," said Kushi, who was not involved in the study. "These data basically demonstrate that the less you eat, the better."



UC San Francisco researcher and vegetarian diet advocate Dr. Dean Ornish said he gleaned a hopeful message from the study.



"Something as simple as a meatless Monday can help," he said. "Even small changes can make a difference."



Additionally, Ornish said, "What's good for you is also good for the planet."



In an editorial that accompanied the study, Ornish wrote that a plant-based diet could help cut annual healthcare costs from chronic diseases in the U.S., which exceed $1 trillion. Shrinking the livestock industry could also reduce greenhouse gas emissions and halt the destruction of forests to create pastures, he wrote.



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I personally do not eat red meat very often. Before I married my husband, I had a small serving of red meat MAYBE once every couple months, and poultry or fish once or twice a month. Red meat just seems to make me sick. It gives me heartburn or something. I can see that there are a few flaws in this study, but I can still see how it's very possible that meat increases the risk of illnesses such as heart disease and diabetes. I don't know about cancer unless it's from the chemicals in processed meat, but anyway...



Your thoughts?

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Minnie - posted on 03/14/2012

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Meat does NOT rot in your colon. It's quickly digested and the nutrients absorbed and then moved out of your body. Promoting that it rots is an utter myth!



What Kate is saying about grains rotting is that she means they're FERMENTING. There is NO fermentation going on with meat, there IS with grains.



Yes, Marina, my diet IS most definitely strict. And as Kate pointed out, it is not my strict diet that keeps me healthy *despite* my consumption of red meat, but that I don't eat chips, grains, little debbie cakes, micky-D's, breakfast cereals, hamburger helper, processed industrial milk, rancid industrial fats like soybean oil, klondike bars...shall I continue?



It's been said here time and again, correlation does not equal causation. It is NOT pure beef that's causing the heart disease. It's the rest of the diet, the rest of the lifestyle, and they're jumping on this one bit of a person's diet and claiming that it's most definitely meat that's causing heart disease.



I ask you again, can you give me a run down on the process of how exactly red meat is clogging my arteries? Because *I* can give you a run down on how plant lectins, rancid fats and a high omega 6 intake do.

Kate CP - posted on 03/19/2012

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Tonya: Meat IS a wholesome, healthy food. A burger from McDonald's is NOT the same as one made at home with organic beef. Chicken nuggets from KFC is NOT the same thing as free-range chicken baked at home.



I eat a diet of whole foods and minimum to no processed foods. And that includes meat. :)

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Sandy - posted on 04/12/2012

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Actually, the red meat from grass fed cows is high in mono unsaturated fats like in olive oil and fish oil. When cows eat what they are supposed to eat, they are healthy for us!

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I only buy British beef which is primarily grass fed. Grazing cattle play a huge role in maintaining our environment, much of the UK is moorland and not suitable for much else. It'd be more expensive to grain feed them.



It's what you get used to. I found steak in the US to be fairly bland in flavour.

Stifler's - posted on 03/23/2012

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Yes they grain feed in a feed lot for 100 days here. Or 90, something like that.

Lady Heather - posted on 03/22/2012

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Not sure if this was posted already, but today the Globe & Mail had the results of a study that said eating red meat was good for mental health.



Eat a steak, die happy?



I get grass fed organic-but-not-certified beef from a former co worker of mine for three bucks a lb if I buy at least a quarter. Good deal and you get some really nice cuts for cheap.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/22/2012

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Rebecca - Yep live in NS.



I have been to a few... As mentioned my parents are angus, beef farmers (as well as my mother owns her own traveling agriculture bookkeeping business and my step-father partially owns a house building business with his father). I had a bunch of their meat given to me (grassfed), it ALL went in the garbage.



I do however, LOVE Costco meat. ;) I don't really like Super Store (but will buy if need be) and Sobey's is YUCK. ;)



I think it is an acquired taste, the grassfed. I am just sooo used to supermarket meat that I can't see myself changing.



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However the veggies and fruit grown here is to DIE for! I only buy from our Farmer's Market down the road from us.



Oh and the Lobster, Haddock and Mussels! OMG - we know fisherman, so we get that directly from the boat. YUM!

Mrs. - posted on 03/22/2012

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MeMe, you live out east right? We sometimes eat this amazing grass-fed beef from PEI, it isn't local for us, but it would be much closer to you. We get it at the local butcher and the taste is so much better than your standard Canadian meat.



You'd be surprised what you can find at a local butcher instead of a big box store. A lot of times the price is quite good and although you can't get the big bulk amounts you'd get at Costco - you will get a better quality product.



It is kind of a quality over quantity thing.

Mother - posted on 03/22/2012

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There is a reason it isn't as appealing. Most commercial grower will feed their livestock loads of corn to fatten them up and sweeten the meat. A horrible practice but it does taste wonderful doesn't it?!?!

Stifler's - posted on 03/21/2012

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Yeah Meme ours are all grain fed too but mum adn dads are grass fed and I find them tougher and not as appealing

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/21/2012

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Well that's good to know. All my parents Cows eat, is grass. 200 head of Angus, all grassfed. Maybe that's why I didn't like it. To use to the "bad" shit.... ;) Oh well, I will accept the 10% increase of cancer, 18% of cardiovascular disease, and 13 percent more likely to simply die early. It's bound to happen, someday anyway.



As far as I have seen in our gorcery stores here, very little meats have "grass-fed" on the label. Only about 2% of the entire meat cooler has this. I buy all my meats at Costco though, I wonder what those animals are fed... hmmm... They have the BEST meat for a supermarket.

Stifler's - posted on 03/20/2012

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I am trying to not eat so much grains and sugar and processed crap but I let the kids have their sandwiches and vanilla yoghurt and stuff like that. my parents have their own beef but they live 600km away so i just buy meat from the butcher.

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and the way foods are processed now, no, i don't think anything's good for you anymore, lol. your best bet is to go with organic home-grown or home-raised stuff. but i would hate to kill my chickens if i ever decided to raise them, so i'd probably stay with the veggies, lol. a lot easier to prepare, too!

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i'm sorry, tofu is so nasty...i tried eating some tofu and pea soup (i have no idea what they were going for) and it was pretty disgusting....



but i do agree, i'll take veggies over steak any day. in fact, i think i've only had steak like three times, at least once of which being within the last year cuz my hubby made me try a bite. still didn't like it. oh, and last night i tried eating a beef burrito or something from some restaurant and it may have been the way it was cooked but it literally tasted like what i'd imagine crap tastes like. then again, i haven't had beef in three months so that may have contributed, haha. but then i was stuck on the toilet. not fun, sticking with chicken.

Merry - posted on 03/19/2012

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Tofu? No thanks, I did indulge in eating cardboard or paper a bit as a kid but now I know better and eat actual food.

Minnie - posted on 03/19/2012

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would rather have tofu and veggie food over a steak



*falls over*



Lol

Barb - posted on 03/19/2012

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Moderation is the key to red meats! I don't really like a lot of meat really would rather have tofu and veggie food over a steak. Nothing is good for you anymore. This is anyways a study about how this isn't good for you that isn't good for you? What is then? Cause from all the study it show like most things aren't good for you anymore!

Mommy - posted on 03/19/2012

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Kate, I think it's cool that even though you have strict diet guidellines, you let your child eat things that you won't. I think it sends a good message, that we can be healthy, but there are lots of different ways to do that, so mommy eats this, but you eat that.

Kate CP - posted on 03/19/2012

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It's really hard to be grain free (especially with a really picky kid). A lot of the stuff we can't eat is the only thing she WILL eat. But we've learned to just not eat it. We look at it and say "Yea, that's kids' food. Not for grown ups" and manage to leave it alone. Some times we'll sneak a bite or two but stuff like bread, pasta and cereal we just won't touch. *shrug* We've gone so long without it it just doesn't really tempt us any more.

Tonya - posted on 03/19/2012

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We have went from a everyday meat loving eating unhealthy family, to a (NO RED MEAT) fish or organic chk. once or twice a mth. and nor do we eat anything out of a box. It's worked really well for us over the last 2yrs. Tried eating a burger that tasted like ground corn on Feb. 19th- my sons 13th b-day and I was on the toilet all nite with the worse cramps. Its amazing what it does to your taste buds after a couple mths. your body dont want junk food and automatically start craving wholesome healthy foods!

For the people who say why live if you can't enjoy all the good foods. Well, I ate all them good foods for 35 yrs. and felt horrible and was very unaware of what I was doing to myself. I still eat Pizza etc.but just 1-piece a mth. instead of 30, lol..

My 19mth old daughter will not touch meat-she juices with me every morning and when I hear someone tell me, she needs protein from MEAT i could scream from the ignorance. We get more protein from our morning shake than she would get in a week from any meat and w/o all the added hormones, roids, ammonia and the kitchen sink!

Does anyone feed a veggie diet to there kids and family? would love to hear!

Mother - posted on 03/19/2012

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"Grain free is the way to be, baby! ;)"



Kate, while I know this to be true.....HOW DO YOU DO THIS??? I can go a period of time without it but then I fall into the trap of...."oh, this one time won't hurt....I've been so good." People who can eliminate grains are my absolute heros.

Bonnie - posted on 03/19/2012

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We usually do a breakfast type dinner once a week and then eggs once a week for either breakfast or lunch. Plus sometimes I like to make banana bread which takes one egg. So we go through 12 to 18 eggs a week as of right now. I'm sure once the kids get older and eat more, we will go through a lot more.

Minnie - posted on 03/19/2012

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Eggs aren't a must. Meat, veggies and fruits are perfectly healthy.



We just like eggs here, and the girls have a couple a day each. And of course hungry men eat quite a few in one sitting, lol.

Mrs. - posted on 03/18/2012

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Yeah, I don't eat wheat, oats, white rice either (I do eat corn), but I still don't replace it with eggs because they make me have an unpleasant bowel/bladder issue.

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If one were to take notice of everything over the years that 'experts' have found to be bad for you, then you wouldn't eat anything, and guess what, then you'd be dead too...



I've learned to take everything put out by 'experts' with a huge grain of salt. Instead I enjoy ALL things in moderation and don't limit anything (except for things that I am allergic to of course)...I'd advise that others take up this attitude too. God bless.

Minnie - posted on 03/18/2012

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When you don't eat rice, oats, wheat or corn you gotta replace it with something!

**Jackie** - posted on 03/18/2012

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You ladies need EA (Eggs Anonymous) holy chickens!!! lol We only go through like 12 a week!! Gotta catch up!

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/18/2012

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Yep here too, we go through 60 eggs every 2 weeks... ;) mmm mmm good!

Bonnie - posted on 03/18/2012

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As far as eggs go, for the longest time, I kept hearing, only eat a couple of eggs a week. Now for the past few years, I keep hearing, eggs are good to eat everyday. It's amazing how things change.

Sally - posted on 03/18/2012

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me me. I found it ok. Wasn't uncomfortable etc but it is amazing to see what comes out.

Mother - posted on 03/18/2012

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"Thats great but id respect her more if i didn't look down and see leather boots etc. Unless im well behind the times im sure the only way to obtain it is to kill the animal. So its ok to wear them just not to eat them."

--A very valid point!!

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/18/2012

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Sally, I am going for the butt shoving camera very soon too. I wonder what is sitting in my gut and bowels... *screams in sheer terror*

Sally - posted on 03/18/2012

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couple of years ago i had to have a camera up my butt for them to do this i had to have a drink that completely cleared me. The thing that shocked me was there were beans etc that id eaten weeks earlier. No meat though. So i know for a fact they stay in your system.

I love meat but i have a friend that won't eat anything with a face. Thats great but id respect her more if i didn't look down and see leather boots etc. Unless im well behind the times im sure the only way to obtain it is to kill the animal. So its ok to wear them just not to eat them.

Stifler's - posted on 03/18/2012

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We have had ads on tv for about 6 years saying that eggs have good cholesterol.

Minnie - posted on 03/17/2012

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I think also we need to understand that there are different types of LDL as well, which is not -bad- cholesterol, but simply more likely to become oxidized. There are types A and B LDL.



Cholesterol is not bad for us. Cholesterol is a repair substance and when it's found in high levels it's a good indication that something is in need of repair. Usually that something are wounds caused by chronic inflammation. And THIS is what causes the plaques.



Blaming cholesterol for heart disease is like blaming the firemen for the burning building just because they're found at the same location.



Eat your eggs.

Kate CP - posted on 03/17/2012

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MeMe: I'm just responding to the eggs and cholesterol thing. I wasn't saying it was a valid reason to not eat eggs. I have them every day for breakfast.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/17/2012

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There is less than 2g of saturated fats in one large egg yolk. That is very low compared to other foods and is a small concern, considering what the yolk actually benfits you with.



Benefits of Eating The Egg Yolk. Eating the yolk makes your life easier since you don't have to separate it from the egg white each time. Eating the yolk is also healthier for 3 reasons:

More Vitamins. The yolk is full of vitamins A, D, E. Vitamin D is especially important since most people lack vitamin D.

Twice The Protein. Eating whole eggs doubles the protein intake you'd get eating egg whites only: the yolk contains half the protein.

Increased Testosterone Levels. Saturated fat and cholesterol increase testosterone production. Both are heavily present in the egg yolk.




http://stronglifts.com/cholesterol-satur...



There is a small proportion of people who are termed "cholesterol sensitive," because their blood cholesterol levels rise when they eat foods high in cholesterol. In the great majority of the population, the amount of cholesterol in the diet does not affect blood cholesterol, since cholesterol is manufactured in the liver regardless of whether or not you eat it in a food.

Saturated fats (and factory-made fats, such as hydrogenated ones) are far greater problems than dietary cholesterol, and compared with some other foods, eggs are not an especially high source of saturated fats. (Egg white is almost pure high-quality protein: so if you are a cholesterol- sensitive person, skip the yolk and eat the white.)




To show you how unfair it is to implicate the egg in cholesterol problems, consider that an egg contains only two grams of saturated fat and 75 calories versus seven grams of saturated fat and 268 calories in a small (3.5 ounce), lean hamburger patty. Even though a hamburger may contain only 100 grams of cholesterol as compared with 210 grams in one large egg, most quarter-pound hamburgers contain four times as much saturated fat as the innocent egg. Eggs actually qualify for the "low in saturated fat" label.



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Mother - posted on 03/17/2012

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Even if you're not a vegetarian.....ever watch PETA videos?? It will give you nightmares for days!!

Mrs. - posted on 03/17/2012

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Not to mention, if you eat eggs and are a veg, you are still supporting the "genocide" of all the male chicks. This happens with battery chicken eggs to organic - there is no getting around it.



I only mention this because if you are a vegetarian for the ethical reasons of not killing any animal, eating eggs does not fall in line with that ideal.



Personally, since I eat meat now, I would not judge you for eating eggs and supporting a sustainable farm that treats its animals well, regardless of the male chick thing (even though I have a minor allergy to eggs and don't eat them, along with dairy). Still, it goes to show you that is very hard to completely clean your hands of blood and damaging the environment when it comes to consuming anything.

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