No such thing as naturally slim?

Cathy - posted on 01/18/2012 ( 108 moms have responded )

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THE SLIM SECRETS



Slim people have slim habits

You may assume that slim people stay that way without any effort, but if you look closely at their lifestyle you will soon find ways they avoid putting on weight. ‘Slim people have habits that have been refined over time until they feel natural,’ says Dr Kingsley. ‘Compare that to an overweight person deciding to go on a diet and trying to change all their habits in one day. No wonder it feels like such hard work and most dieters give up.’



Slim people make their size a priority

‘You might feel that being slim is important to you, but you might not be investing in actually being slim,’ says Dr Kingsley. ‘Being slim without putting in any effort is like expecting a pay cheque when you didn’t turn up for work. Slim people prioritise aspects of their lifestyle that allow them to control their weight, such as doing exercise or planning ahead to prepare healthy food. Being slim doesn’t just happen, you have to make it happen.’



Slim people don’t ignore small changes

To misquote an old saying: keep an eye on the pounds and the stones will look after themselves. ‘Slim people take action as soon as they notice a difference in the way their jeans fit,’ says Dr Kingsley. ‘They know small changes add up, so they actively maintain their weight rather than sitting back and seeing what happens. If a 20-year-old gains weight at the rate of 2lb a year, this will be barely noticeable at first, but by the age of 41 this ‘slim’ person will be 3 stone heavier.’



Slim people stay in balance

The most annoying slim person is the one who meets up with you for dinner and polishes off three courses. Why isn’t she fat? ‘Just because somebody can eat a lot doesn’t mean they usually do,’ says Dr Kingsley. ‘We only see a small part of the picture. Slim people have a good lifestyle balance that enables them to indulge occasionally by compensating in other areas – perhaps by cutting back the next day or doing more exercise. When slim choices form the major part of your lifestyle, you don’t need to feel guilty about the odd ‘non-slim’ choice because they won’t affect your weight.’



Slim people don’t diet

‘Diets can result in fantastic weight loss, but dieting doesn’t reflect our normal lifestyle,’ says Dr Kingsley. ‘And it’s our normal lifestyle that determines our weight. If you only spend two weeks on a diet you’re unlikely to see any significant changes, but if you have a slim lifestyle this should have a huge impact.’ A lifestyle approach is easier to stick to because no food is banned – eat anything you want as long as calories in and calories out stay in balance. Dieting, however, can actually encourage you to gain weight because of the mentality it creates. ‘Spending two weeks slimming for a holiday makes it more likely that you will rebel and overindulge once you are there,’ says Dr Kingsley. ‘Similarly, the knowledge you will be dieting in January can lead you to “stock up” at Christmas. Slim people don’t diet at particular times of the year because they lead a slim lifestyle and are rewarded by a slim body year-round.’






To start with I started reading and thought "bullshit", I've always been slim and never put any effort into achieving it but as I read on I started to agree.



I've never been on a diet in my life. When I did put on some extra weight in my late teens I immediately knew the cause (daily visits to the local fish and chip shop and bakery) and adjusted to packing some lunch before I went to work.

If I go to a restaurant I can easily polish off a three course meal while others look on in horror and wonder where I put it. But the next few days I might not feel hungry so I have the odd snack and one meal and it's plenty to keep me going.

When cooking meals it's automatic for me to add extra fruit or veg to a sauce or as a side.

I excuse my occasional binges as acceptable because I know I will burn off any excess when I'm out walking. I average 30-40 miles a week of hills.



Are there people who are naturally slim? Or are slim people more naturally intuitive to the needs of their bodies?

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Rebecca - posted on 01/20/2012

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"For me personally, I have a hard time believing that any person can't lose weight. I think it's just more excuses. I've spent the last eight months losing weight. Guess what? I'm hungry every day. There are often times where I would love nothing more than to grab a six pack of fried cheesesticks and a milkshake. Or have a cupcake. The difference between me and a lot of dieters? I don't give into that temptation. When I'm hungry, the first thing I do is have a large glass of water. If I'm still hungry, I then pick up a piece of fruit or have a bowl of steamed veggies. If I'm still hungry after that, then I actually eat something more substantial, like a handful of nuts or some cheese. I don't eat sweets and don't drink pop. Almost every person I've ever met who is struggling to lose weight denies themselves food and then binges. Most of them are sugar junkies who have so addicted to sugary, high salt, high fat foods that they have no idea what real food tastes like. That's no way to lose weight. Small, even snacks of fruits and veggies during the day make it easy to lose weight without feeling like you are starving. Just because you have physiological desire for something doesn't mean you have to give in. "



I gathered from this post that you feel discipline is a huge part of staying slim, no? All I was trying to say was that the "diet" I've been on for over 15 years, requires a lot of discipline. I know many people who have my same health issues, but continue to eat the things that make them ill because it is very difficult. I'm trying to point out that no matter how disciplined you might think you are, there is always someone out there who is more so and may/or may not get the same results you are getting. The point is, even on this board, you can see an example of someone who is uber disciplined, educated and all those things you feel are required to stay slim, but can STILL see how that may not be someone else's result.



You just never know everyone's whole story and assuming that you might know the magic answer that applies to all people losing weight...it just doesn't ring true to me.



Listen, I hear you, it is true, a lot of people don't educate themselves about how food works, use quick fix diets and don't think about the long term. They also expect that no exercise has to be done and end up gaining lots of weight because of this. However, not EVERY person that is overweight is in this group.



Your posts sounds like despite your struggles, you lost your weight. To say that your struggles, your way of eating, your philosophy on how weight is lost, or how people stay slim is just as accessible to all people and why don't they just do that or they are just using an excuse....Yeah, I don't see how that adds up.

Celeste - posted on 01/20/2012

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And I think that Rebecca T and Rebecca K, Krista, Janice all make great points..



I think that Rebecca K is right about lack of education for some people. I think that in general, people aren't aware what the appropriate portion size is for foods, like meat, pasta, etc. And unknowingly eating 2-3x's the calories for that portion size.



I also agree with Rebecca T and Krista about everyone being different. I'm watching what I eat, I exercise 5-6 times a week but I'm losing 1-2 lbs a week while my other friends are losing more. I also think that for my frame, that 130 lbs is too small. I was about 145-150 before I had my twin boys and I was in a size 8. I was healthy. I think that for me, that was a healthy size but yet, still considered "overweight".

Janice - posted on 01/20/2012

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And Thank you Kel because this has been true my whole life and I hate it.



"It's ok for other people to go on about how they struggle with their weight. I would never call someone "fat" or make sarcastic comments about weight but it's ok for them to laugh at and make jokes about someone who is skinny....that isn't fair because although i don't give a shit what someone thinks of my size (i am happy with my size and with how i look)there are lots of people who are uncomfortable with being very thin so being laughed at or told they have an eating disorder is just as bad as calling someone a fat ass....which of course,most people would NEVER do...so why do they think it's ok to laugh at skinny people ???? People who do this deserve to be called a fat ass,maybe then they would understand how hurtful they are being and shut the hell up !!!!"

Celeste - posted on 01/20/2012

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Cathy, my husband fits that description. His diet is terrible. He eats much more than I do but he's 130 MAYBE and 5'8 and wears a size 28-29 waist. . And he doesn't exercise.

Janice - posted on 01/20/2012

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Krista I really agree with you on this.

We are all built differently and what is overweight on one bone structure is healthy and acceptable on a larger bone structure.

I always say its the wrist test. On most people no matter their weight you can look at their wrist see bone. You can not expect the person with a 2 inch wide wrist and the person with a 3 inch wide wrist to be the same size. There really is such thing as being big boned... or little boned for that matter. I think there are definitely larger boned people who are not viewed as slim even though for their bone structure they are slim.



Also genetics absolutely plays a role. You can certainly have a predisposition to being a heavier weight. While it doesn't make it impossible to be slim it certainly means that person will have to work out more and be more diligent about healthy eating habits than someone who has a predisposition to being slim.

Cathy - posted on 01/20/2012

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If there were "naturally" slim people, could they not live on a diet of burgers, fries, soda, sweets and consume more than a normal persons average level of calories, never exercise and yet still not gain weight?



Does anyone know someone who meets the above description?



I think we can all accept that different body shapes and builds will effect how slim one can be. Medical conditions also play a big factor.



This was more a question to the people who make no apparent or deliberate attempt to control and monitor weight or diet, yet maintain an optimum physique for their size. Is it natural (no work at all) or is there a subconscious awareness of what your body needs?

Rebecca - posted on 01/20/2012

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Not following you at all, Rebecca Three. The whole point of the original article -- naturally slim people don't "cheat" because they aren't on a diet. It's a lifestyle choice. I don't restrict any of those items from my diet so I wouldn't consider it "cheating" to have a glass of wine. So you haven't had sugar, caffeine, dairy or alcohol -- that means what exactly? That only people who don't have sugar, caffeine, dairy or alcohol are "naturally slim"? Or that you are more fit or more healthy because you don't eat those things? Guess what? I haven't had barley, melons, soy, peanuts, canola or shellfish for over a decade. Actually, I haven't eaten peanuts for over 30 years. Eating any of those things makes me really, really sick. Have you? Have you "cheated" by eating any of those things? Does that mean you are lazy? Does that mean I am healthier or fitter than you because you eat those things? I don't see how eating or not eating particular food choices (vs. broad categories of food, e.g., junk food) has any real relation to this discussion.



I have not once suggested that people who aren't losing weight are lazy. In fact, I've repeatedly stated the exact opposite. I'm not claiming that people who are overweight have to exercise more. However, I do think a lot of people who are overweight either: 1) don't know a thing about nutrition ("oh, I can eat these low-calorie, 150 packs of cookies because they are low fat" -- never mind it's loaded with sugar and has zero nutritional value) or 2) like to eat and don't really care if they are overweight (i.e., they prefer eating to being thin). Either way, it's their body and they can do with it as they please, but it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that they are the weight they are due to factors completely beyond their own control and not their own eating habits.

Krista - posted on 01/20/2012

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But can they lose enough to be "slim"? That seems to be the question here. The article seems to imply that if everybody adopts "slim" habits, then everybody will be "slim", and I do not agree that this is the case. People ARE built differently. I'm 5'7", and my lowest adult weight has been 175 lbs. And that was when I was going to the gym for 1.5 hours every day, and eating very healthful food and not taking in excess calories. I was very fit, but I was nowhere near what anybody would consider to be "slim".



And I think that's why articles like that, and statements like Rebecca's, are so frustrating. For me to be "slim" (under an American size 8, we'll say), I would have to either starve myself, or undergo surgery. So it IS rather irksome to hear people blithely say that if I want to be slim, all it takes is going for a walk and putting down that cookie.

Rebecca - posted on 01/20/2012

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It kind of is implying that therefore most fat people are just uneducated and lazy.



I mean, I can pretty much guarantee, by what you said in your post, that you are not as disciplined as I am when it comes to diet and exercise. I haven't had sugar in a decade, same with dairy, same with alcohol and caffeine. How about you? You ever "cheat", I haven't, I can't, if I do I get really, really sick. That's what is right for my body, but I don't expect you, with a different body/different health issues to do the same. I don't consider you lazy. I trust that you seem reasonably educated on the matter, motivated and, must be super fit.



Even with that though, I disagree that all people can be slim if they just stick to it and get the right info. It is an oversimplification and generalization. All people is pretty sweeping.

Rebecca - posted on 01/20/2012

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Again, Kate -- we just going to have to agree to disagree. I have yet to see a single research study anywhere that proves that any person, regardless of their circumstances, is physically incapable of losing weight. All I'm hearing are a bunch of excuses as to why people "can't" lose weight and excuses as to why I "could" lose weight. It doesn't matter if people are different -- anyone CAN lose weight if they have a basic understanding of nutrition, are willing to change their eating habits to those that are conducive to losing or maintaining weight, and are motivated to stick with those changes.

Lady Heather - posted on 01/20/2012

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Two people suffering from the same problem can have totally different results. I have epilepsy and fibromyalgia and I certainly can't speak for everyone with those problems. There is a lot of variation to every disorder and every disease. I know a lot of people lose weight with fibro. I gained weight when I was in my first big round of it. I had always been very active and suddenly I couldn't move. Getting food for myself became an enormous challenge. So I'd get my now-husband to pick up something from the Greek place downstairs or the burger joint across the street. Yeah, I obviously knew it was bad to eat crappy food and not move. But at that point I was just trying to survive and I had no idea what was wrong with me.



A few years later when I knew more about the disease and had got myself to a better head space I started with little bits of exercise here and there and became pretty strict about following a healthy lifestyle. Within a few months I was back to a normal weight. But I'm not going to sit here and judge anyone else with that problem who hasn't lost it. It's one of those things where you need to be mentally ready to take it on. The first little while exercising was so brutally painful. If you aren't ready for that, it's easy to give up.

Kate CP - posted on 01/19/2012

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"I think the flaw in your logic Kate is that I haven't nursed for over six months. I nursed until about 8 weeks, but my milk never came in with this set of twins and it was apparent that it wasn't going to come in by that point. I nursed my first set of twins until 6 months, not the second. The vast majority of my weight loss after the second pregnancy (80 lbs) took place AFTER I stopped nursing. Losing weight had nothing to do with nursing."



Good lord. It wasn't flawed logic, it was not knowing the full set of circumstances because you didn't divulge it. But, whatever. Who cares. You lost 80 pounds after you had your babies. Yay.



Look, Rebecca, I could give two shits how easy you lost weight. The fact of the matter is this: PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION. So while it may be really easy for you (even though you have hypothyroidism) it's not possible for others to lose more than 5 or 10 pounds in a year. Basically, Krista said it a hell of a lot better than I ever could.

Deborah - posted on 01/19/2012

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I disagree. I'm slender, size 3 jeans w/o a prego belly. if I think i look a little pudgy or bloated I'll skip out on the extra brownie or the chocolate donuts I give my kids as treats, but that's it. I don't try to eat healthier, but I enjoy salads and veggies. I keep my diet varied with different meats because I get bored easily. I don't exercise for the sake of exercising, but I was active in Marching band in HS, and I walked EVERYWHERE in college. Still with both my pregnancies I bounced back to my original weight by my six week checkup, again with NO effort beyond balancing my diet and breastfeeding.



I think people are naturally slim, because I am one. I don't count calories or exercise beyond walking at work and playing with my children. I see the points he makes but it is by no means a conscious effort on my part to stay skinny.

Krista - posted on 01/19/2012

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My point with the starvation example is that if certain people "could not" lose weight, then they would never lose weight, regardless of the circumstances.



That's a ridiculous example. Sure, everybody can lose weight if they're starved.



But if literal starvation is what is required for some people to lose any weight at all, then it's absurd for you to say that they're lying when they say that they can't lose weight.



Basically, it would be like me saying, "I can't fly", and you saying, "That's not true. If you built yourself a high-tech suit with rocket propulsion, like Iron Man's, then you COULD fly. So obviously, it's a lie for you to say that you can't fly."



If the set of circumstances required for an individual to perform a task are so outlandish and far-fetched as to be 100% improbable, then it IS safe to say that the individual CANNOT perform the task.

Rebecca - posted on 01/19/2012

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I think the flaw in your logic Kate is that I haven't nursed for over six months. I nursed until about 8 weeks, but my milk never came in with this set of twins and it was apparent that it wasn't going to come in by that point. I nursed my first set of twins until 6 months, not the second. The vast majority of my weight loss after the second pregnancy (80 lbs) took place AFTER I stopped nursing. Losing weight had nothing to do with nursing.

Maree - posted on 01/19/2012

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Well i have read that nursing a baby is like running a marathon...it really takes it out of you. After my daughter was born i could feel my uterus contracting during feeds. I don't know if this happens to the same degree when you bottle feed because i have never bottle fed...but it does make sense that a woman bf-ing would need more calories and more water.. just as you do when you do lots of exercise. I didn't notice myself eating more than before i was pregnant,but i may have...not sure. Anyway i always had and still have (my daughter is 10 months) a large milk supply.I still get a very strong,sometimes painful letdown and am prone to mastitis just as i was after she was born. I only feed her a few times a day but i think no matter how much i eat,i will still have lots of milk...maybe there is a genetic component to it...

Kate CP - posted on 01/19/2012

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"Kate when you are BF you are not loosing 600 per feed...sorry to break that to you. You burn around 700 kcal in the entire day so all feeds on demand go into this 600-700 kcal a day. When you nurse only 3 times it is much much less............... "



Well, Ania, in this instance Rebecca had twins and thus expended even more calories per nursing session than your "average mom". According to kellymom.com a nursing mother would need an additional 300-500 calories per day to maintain a pre-pregnancy weight and not jeopardize her milk supply.



So, while my initial number of 600/day may have been off, I stand by the statement that losing weight while nursing is markedly easier than when not nursing.

Celeste - posted on 01/19/2012

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I'm still waiting for my husband's eating habits and lack of exercise to catch up with him LOL He's in his 40s.

Lady Heather - posted on 01/19/2012

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Maybe the older you get the less you stay naturally thin, but I call BS on this. I have way more "slim tendencies" than my brother and sister and I am the one who weighs more. My sister is a freaking twig and she eats pastries and doesn't exercise. We could live the exact same life and I guarantee I would weigh 15-20lbs more. After having babies and gaining the same weight, I have to work at it to lose a lb a week and she had all her weight gone within a month. Nothing to do with her lifestyle at all.



So maybe for most people this makes sense. I don't know. But in my own family it sure doesn't ring true.

Maree - posted on 01/19/2012

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Janice,I am exactly the same. I don't know pounds cause i am Aussie but i am 40kg which APPARENTLY is severely underweight (last i checked i was very healthy,got pregnant twice with no problem and had good size healthy babies but apparently the numbers on a chart are more important than a persons health) I hate when you make a comment about something to do with weight and then people say sarcastically "oh you poor thing,it's so hard being slim"...it's annoying because they are acting like you are just a whinger and they have it so hard cause they are heavier.

I don't really get these comments so much now because i don't bother saying things to anyone about my weight. It isn't something i care to talk about and i am very happy with my size. But if i was to make a comment like,i went onto lite milk and lost 2 kg,or i lost weight by walking every day for a week (i am simply stating the truth,not trying to hurt anyones feelings but just saying what i have experienced)...i would get...and have got,comments like "oh you have such a hard life don't you"... it's annoying that i don't seem to be able to talk about anything to do with food,weight,exercise etc...without people being smart asses. It's ok for other people to go on about how they struggle with their weight. I would never call someone "fat" or make sarcastic comments about weight but it's ok for them to laugh at and make jokes about someone who is skinny....that isn't fair because although i don't give a shit what someone thinks of my size (i am happy with my size and with how i look)there are lots of people who are uncomfortable with being very thin so being laughed at or told they have an eating disorder is just as bad as calling someone a fat ass....which of course,most people would NEVER do...so why do they think it's ok to laugh at skinny people ???? People who do this deserve to be called a fat ass,maybe then they would understand how hurtful they are being and shut the hell up !!!!

Janice - posted on 01/19/2012

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Well maybe I'm the only one, but I do not fit this article at all and I am naturally slim. I eat anything and everything and I'm lazy yet I am still underweight (well not right now cause I had a baby 7 weeks ago). The most I have ever weighed (except pregnancy and postpartum) is 105lbs. I had a desk job and the first year there I gained 8lbs then plateaued for the next 2 years. I didn't keep gaining, not because I modified my habits (I never worked out or limited what I ate) but because thats just my body. When I started a more active job I did immediately lose the 8lbs which was upsetting since I liked the higher weight. In fact at various points in my adulthood I have added Ensure to my diet in an effort to gain weight and it didn't help at all. Some people truly do have higher metabolisms.



It is so frustrating that on a regular basis I am told that I am lucky (or accused of having an eating disorder) yet I struggle with being comfortable with my weight everyday. I hate shopping because adult clothing doesn't come in my size. But worst of all is the fact that sometimes other women don't like me because I'm skinny.

Ania - posted on 01/19/2012

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Kate when you are BF you are not loosing 600 per feed...sorry to break that to you. You burn around 700 kcal in the entire day so all feeds on demand go into this 600-700 kcal a day. When you nurse only 3 times it is much much less...............

Ania - posted on 01/19/2012

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I agree with this article you posted. I'm naturally slim because of the reasons mentioned in the article. I was raised that way so it does not seem like an effort for me. I eat healthy because that's all I know. That doesn't mean that occasionally I don't have huge piece of pizza or burger with fries or ice cream or sweets, but most of the time I eat many small meals a day that qualify as healthy. I also work out because I love it. That's all there is.

Kate CP - posted on 01/19/2012

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Losing weight from a pregnancy is different than losing weight from life. When you're nursing you expend at least 600 calories PER FEED. So...it's a lot easier for most women to lose weight while nursing.



Now, when you're over 40, have been through menopause, have thyroid disorder, bipolar disorder, AND fibromyalgia (sp) so it makes it hard to move around...yes, it's VERY hard to lose the weight. This is my mother's set of circumstances. She HAS lost weight by changing her lifestyle (she doesn't eat carbs any more) but it's taken a long time and a lot of hard work and she has been fighting her medications, her hormones, and her aging body the entire time.



Your attitude of "it just takes hard work and people who can't lose weight don't have enough will power or are lazy" fuckin' sucks. And no, just limiting calories won't help you lose weight. It will make you starve, though. My mother at one point was exercising as much as she could stand and eating less than 1,000 calories per day and she still managed to only lose about 5 pounds in an entire year.



Just because something worked for you or was easy or hard for you doesn't mean it will work that way for everyone.



My whole point to this damn diatribe was that EVERY PERSON IS DIFFERENT. So your idea that you just need to suck it up and work harder at it doesn't fly. People are different.

Rebecca - posted on 01/19/2012

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We are just have to agree to disagree on that, Kate. I know I gained over 100 pounds with each set of twins. I lost approximately 20 pounds due to the deliveries, which meant each time I had to lose 80 pounds to get back to my pre-pregnancy weight. My thyroid replacement hormone dosage post-delivery both times was immediately dropped to my pre-pregnancy levels, which made me have low thyroid levels (hypothyroid) until I return to my pre-pregnancy weight. Both times, I managed to lose all 80 pounds in less than a year. The first time, I lost all the weight by 6 months. This time, I've lost all the weight in 8 months. Was it easy? No. But it's not exceedingly hard either. And I certainly didn't need to starve myself to do it. According to your own example, I would have only been able to drop 5 to 10 pounds in that time frame. That just doesn't align with reality. End of the day, regardless of whether you have a thyroid condition or not, if you consume less than you use you will lose weight. It's simple biology 101.

Kate CP - posted on 01/19/2012

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"Kate -- boy, did you pick the wrong person to lecture about thryoid conditions. I have hypothyroidism..."



First off, I wasn't lecturing you. But, whatever. Second, your condescending and judgmental tone leaves a horrible taste in my mouth. Thirdly, if you have hypothyroidism then you should know how hard it is to lose weight. Did I say it was impossible? No. I said it's extremely difficult. My mother has no thyroid left, either. She had Grave's disease and had to undergo radiation therapy which eventually killed off the whole gland.



A person who is 50 pounds or more over weight and has a thyroid disorder may be able to drop 5-10 pounds over the course of a year but that would probably be about it. Unless, of course, you want to admit them to one of your concentration camp programs?

Karla - posted on 01/19/2012

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Rebecca says

"What drives me nuts is when people claim that they "can't" lose weight because of genetics, etc."



I suppose that excuse is almost always unreasonable. I didn't see where anyone here was using that excuse though.



My point is similar to yours, but I like to include hormones etc. in the mix. Yes, weight loss is possible for most people, yes it's difficult and requires a lot of self discipline, and one will not lose weight if one constantly cheats on their diet and skips their exercise routine.



As for this OP, I think it's more than habit, I think the differing metabolism and cravings due to hormonal differences play a big role in individual abilities and successes. That doesn't mean it's impossible to lose weight, but it does mean the level of difficulty in losing weight varies from person to person. It also means if one appears to be "naturally thin" with "thin habits" then they likely have hormone levels conducive to weight loss, which means weight loss and weight maintenance is easier for that person than for the chronically overweight person.



I don't believe anyone said the hormone levels make weight loss impossible.

Rebecca - posted on 01/18/2012

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I've been both seriously underweight and overweight, mostly due to health issues.



However, I think the original diatribe about "slim secrets" seems like something to make people born with a fast metabolism feel like they are actually working for what they have...which is kinda hilarious. Its like: "Not only am I born thin, but I was born with a secret power that gave me a talent to have worked for it, even if I didn't know it!



Please, I've been 110 pounds (and 5'6) to 160 pounds...and close to 180 pounds when pregnant. I can tell you that those years I looked "naturally thin", when my muscles atrophied due to underuse and illness, when I couldn't eat anything, could keep anything down, I was the most unhealthy I've even been. There was no secret to it except being sick.....and man did people think I looked good. People used to say things to me, a former plump girl, "You don't know anything about gaining weight, you're naturally thin."



I think, bottom line, there is no secret and neither "naturally" thin people or naturally "heavy" people have a hallmark on health.



Now, I'm not making excuses because I'm heavy, because I've worked hard to get myself down to a size that is not underweight or overweight. I've had to fight my chronic illnesses to exercise and not just abandon myself in a haze of medication that would leave me ill and underweight again. I have to stay away from foods that I'm sensitive to, which are many. I also stay away from things that compromise my immune system...you know, those "secret" foods that can harm a lot of people's health like alcohol, caffeine, refined sugars, gluten and dairy (I'm lactose intolerant). I also eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm full.



I do not judge myself as lazy or others as lazy based on what they eat or how they exercise. When it comes down to it, it truly is JUST what they eat...not who they are. How could I think otherwise when I've stayed the same flawed person, regardless of how much I weigh, eat or exercise?



The more I experience, the more I realize how little you can tell about a person's health by looking at how skinny or fat they are. It is a small part or a very large story.



I don't truly believe, for myself, that the goal should not be to just be slim, the goal for me is to be as healthy, athletic and durable as I can be. For a girl who had a bad eating disorder in her late teens/early twenties, this has been an important truth to learn. That isn't to say I don't still struggle with body image, or hear that eating disorder "voice" chirping away in my head when things get rough. It's just I don't listen to it as much anymore and I hate propaganda that encourages the fat vs slim people agenda.



Sorry for the rant, I just think this subject comes up so much in the new year and IMO, it is dogma that supports the idea that once you are slim, that exclusive world will reveal fabulous secrets and opportunities that you've never imagined, that dogma does real damage out there in the world. I just want to make it clear, as an "unnaturally" slim person (by that I mean I didn't grow up skinny and I struggled to remain fit for some time), that there is no secret beyond exercising and only eating when your body tells you it is hungry. No secret there.

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BTW, I do not think people who are overweight are lazy.

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My comments are based on my experience of what I have personally seen with respect to people who struggle to lose weight. From what I have seen, the difference between the successful person and the unsuccessful person is: 1) understanding regarding what is healthy and what isn't; 2) the sheer desire to lose weight; and 3) the recognition that losing weight is a lifestyle change, not just a temporary diet. People who are "naturally" thin tend to eat differently, eat less, and have less of an emotional relationship with food. Again, this is my personal opinion, not based on a scientific study.



Depression and any other hormonal factors can effect things, but it's not the end-all-be-all. I've lost weight in the mist of horrendous depressions (including the brutal post-partnum depression following the birth of my first set of twins), but that didn't prevent me from losing weight. If anything, it made it easier. But, I'm not an emotional eater and I don't eat to make myself feel better. If you eat to feel better, and you are depressed, I could certainly see how that would make it more challenging to lose weight. However, you still can lose weight. It's not impossible. What drives me nuts is when people claim that they "can't" lose weight because of genetics, etc. While that might be true in some cases, it's not generally true.

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Rebecca,



Why do I feel as though you only read one part of my post?



I'm talking about hormones and depression having an effect on a persons ability to lose weight, so unless you have also been in those shoes I don't think you can decide whether or not a person should be able to lose weight. As in, it is much more complicated than just deciding to do it. If it were that easy we would all be like you I guess.



I'm not you. We aren't all you. Using just your experience to judge those who are different than you is not an educated opinion. I'm trying to add scientific research to this debate to help us all understand the underlying problem of the "slim habits" debate.



There are chemical (aka hormonal) reasons that not everyone has "slim habits," there is an underlying cause for this that has been scientifically discovered as is demonstrated in the links I posted earlier.

Celeste - posted on 01/18/2012

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And to add to the topic, I have to be VERY careful about what I eat because I gain weight easily. When I was training for my half, I didn't lose any weight.

Celeste - posted on 01/18/2012

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Perhaps most, but not all.. Like I said, I'm 40 lbs overweight, but I am far from lazy. Along with raising kids, I'm also a runner. I've run quite a few 5K's, a 10K and a half marathon. I'm planning on running a full marathon next December, and my goal is to run a race every month. I don't think I'm the norm though.



I will admit, I overeat. I'm working on it though and I'm losing weight successfully (although slow)



I have a nifty 13.1 sticker on the back of my van.You can probably guess who most people think who did the half..

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I use to live on burgers, fries, pizza..etc



I wouldn't exercise a bit. I'd get up and go to work (set at a desk for 8 hours )and have a couple burgers for lunch then go home about 5 and have a pizza and a coke and then sit on the couch watching Tv until bedtime.



I did this for a year or so and gained 1 pound.

Maree - posted on 01/18/2012

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and just to add...i agree with you about MOST people being fat because of overeating and being lazy....i guess i don't KNOW but i do believe it....just as i believe MOST people CAN breast feed,sorry to go off topic but it is once again an opinion and not necessarily true,just as the things you Rebecca...and others say,may or may not be true but are simply an observation,a judgment or something you studied and see as fact!!! true????

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True Rebecca but i still think it's quite off topic. A person that is starving for extended periods of time is going to lose weight...because they are deprived of nourishment. They are so hungry that their body pretty much eats away at itself in attempt to stay alive. Its kind of like saying that a dead person will lose weight therefore losing weight IS possible. Well when there is nothing going into the body then it has no choice but to become skin and bone.I think that SOMETIMES the only way for a person to lose weight is to basically starve themselves and of course this is very very unhealthy...malnutrition is worse imo than being fat (depends how fat of course)...I know nothing about thyroid etc so ill take your word for it but clearly you believe you are 100% correct on this just like i think i am....and have my opinions on you know what !!!!!...

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Kate -- boy, did you pick the wrong person to lecture about thryoid conditions. I have hypothyroidism. Technically, I have no thyroid gland at all because I had a total thyroidectomy. Hypothyroidism is easily managed with medication. And even with hypothyroidism, you can still lose weight. Even with hyperthyroidism, you can still gain weight. I've done it. I've been on both sides of the spectrum. Having a thryoid condition doesn't make it physically impossible to lose weight. It doesn't even make it extremely difficult IMHO. Been there, done that. All it means is your metabolism runs slower so you need even less food to function than a person with a normally functioning thyroid gland. And it's not like there are broad groups of people that are suffering from thyroid problems -- it's actually fairly uncommon. Most people in America aren't overweight because they have hidden thyroid conditions -- they are overweight because they eat too much for the amount of energy they exert in a given day.



My point with the starvation example is that if certain people "could not" lose weight, then they would never lose weight, regardless of the circumstances.

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I would not compare to people in third world countries....geez,Rebecca thought I was judgmental...lol

If you are half starved to death then i guess you are going to lose weight...or die !!!

If a person living under normal circumstances where there is food available then they should eat healthily and maybe if they want to lose weight,eat less calories and exercise more. Eating NOTHING will make you lose weight,then slow down your metabolism so that when you decide to eat again the weight goes on...twice as fast !!!

If a person eats well and exercises yet still does not lose weight then i would think that there may be a medical problem....i'm not sure as i have not had this issue personally but if i assume for a minute that an overweight person overeats and does not exercise....then changes their habits only to find they do not lose weight....well i have to assume there is something going on that is beyond their control as Kate says.

Either that or maybe age??? I know for my mum who is 63,she struggles to lose weight even though she eats well. She can't exercise that much due to a heart condition but she used to be so teeny tiny and now...not so much,it seems that as she ages she puts on weight even though her lifestyle has not changed much...

Maree - posted on 01/18/2012

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I am naturally slim. I am 5ft0 and 40kg. I have always been really small. I have had 2 kids and go back to my normal weight very quickly. I put on 22kg in my last pregnancy,10kg was gone immediately and the rest was gone within a month or so.

I eat reasonably well but i certainly don't watch what i eat,i don't diet,i eat junk,i exercise but not every day...

Maybe i have a fast metabolism,not sure but all i know is that i was ALWAYS small.

You may think(as many people do) that i am way too small....i don't get offended by these comments because i think i look perfectly fine for my height,i know i am healthy and have had good healthy pregnancies so peoples comments to me are just stupid...

I'm sure there are lots of people who no matter what they do...CANNOT lose weight and same goes for small people who CANNOT put on weight...I don't know why apart from genetics but i know that personally i am one of those naturally small people.

I hadn't gone walking for a while and the last week i went for a few walks with my daughter...i lost 1kg within a few days,it just falls off me for some reason...everyone is different and loses/gains weight differently

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Yes there are it starts when they're kids too. Some kids eat all damn day and are skinny some hardly eat and are chubby. Some eat the same foods and still have different bodies. I know I will never be 50kg without starving myself just like some people will never be 80 kg without eating doughnuts all day.

Kate CP - posted on 01/18/2012

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*takes deep, cleansing breaths*



Rebecca, if a person has an endocrine disorder like thyroid problems, pancreatic issues, or adrenal problems then they will almost certainly have weight issues (over or under, depending on the base problem).



So saying that you have a hard time believing some people just CAN'T lose weight is seriously fucking insulting. My mother, my aunts, my grandparents, and several others I know all have hypothyroidism where losing weight is EXTREMELY difficult.



You want to compare the ability to lose weight to people being in a CONCENTRATION CAMP?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! We're talking about modifying diet and lifestyle and you're talking torture and starvation. Sweet Jesus.

Celeste - posted on 01/18/2012

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I also think it education plays a role, too. I've seen so many people who want to lose weight fast but don't understand how to keep it off. Like, eating breakfast and not starving yourself.



I struggle with my weight too, despite me being active (I'm a runner). I'm 40 lbs overweight. I KNOW it's my diet. I KNOW what I need to do (portion control, moderation). I've lost 4 lbs so far (woohoo!)





And then I have my husband who can pretty much eat what he wants and is the biggest couch potato. Arrgh.

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Karla -- I'm not remotely suggesting you are lazy. Losing weight is HARD. I'm not trying to minimize that at all. It isn't an issue of laziness -- it's more an issue of self-control. Can you resist eating something even if you really, really, really want it?



I'm also pointing out that I have seen so many dieters struggle with losing weight because they are engaging in self-defeating routines, like trying to starve themselves all day and then going hog-wild at night because they are so hungry they can't stop eating. There is a easier way and it can be done. But anyone who tells you that you can lose weight without being hungry, without having cravings is full of doo-doo IMHO.

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Rebecca, as judgmental as you sound, and as fat as I am, I surprise myself in somewhat agreeing with you.



I believe my inner voice is NOT STRONG. I can successfully limit my intake so that I do not gain more weight - and that was a big challenge. I can diet and exercise, but I have trouble making it a habit.



The other issue related to the hormone ghrelin is that it is an anti-depressant and is therefore our body's way to fight depression. So perhaps if one could make habits, such as exercising on a regular basis to create other anti-depressant hormones, then ghrelin wouldn't be so dominant. From what I have read, I believe my theory here has some merit.



Depression most assuredly affects my ability to listen to my inner voice, and follow my plans to diet and exercise. Your judgments just add to my feeling of futility - I try to follow my voice, and fight your voice, but it's awful to know people are out there deciding that I'm lazy because of this difficulty.



To liken the incidence of obesity and hormones to those effected by drought or famine is just unrealistic. (Those people also do not look happy do they?) Really, if there is no food, then no matter what one's craving is the eating does not happen. The point with the hormone explanation isn't that it is making the fat, it's that it is controlling the appetite and the desire for food.



I highly recommend reading the second article I linked to above. It's quite informative. (actually both articles are very informative, especially about loosing weight and the ability to keep it off.)

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For me personally, I have a hard time believing that any person can't lose weight. I think it's just more excuses. I've spent the last eight months losing weight. Guess what? I'm hungry every day. There are often times where I would love nothing more than to grab a six pack of fried cheesesticks and a milkshake. Or have a cupcake. The difference between me and a lot of dieters? I don't give into that temptation. When I'm hungry, the first thing I do is have a large glass of water. If I'm still hungry, I then pick up a piece of fruit or have a bowl of steamed veggies. If I'm still hungry after that, then I actually eat something more substantial, like a handful of nuts or some cheese. I don't eat sweets and don't drink pop. Almost every person I've ever met who is struggling to lose weight denies themselves food and then binges. Most of them are sugar junkies who have so addicted to sugary, high salt, high fat foods that they have no idea what real food tastes like. That's no way to lose weight. Small, even snacks of fruits and veggies during the day make it easy to lose weight without feeling like you are starving. Just because you have physiological desire for something doesn't mean you have to give in.





Put it another way, when you look at pictures from any tragedy where people were denied food (e.g., droughts, famine, the Holocaust, etc.), do you see any chubby people mixed into those crowds? No. If there were just some people who can't lose weight, you would expect to see people mixed into those crowds whose weight didn't drop despite the extreme circumstances.

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I think the level of "hunger hormones" is a much more likely reason for the "slim habits."



Hormones regulating when a person feels hungry or sated do not rapidly adjust to weight loss, which may be a factor in the yo-yo effect observed among dieters, researchers found.



One year after losing weight, levels of appetite-regulating hormones didn't revert to baseline levels, Joseph Proietto, PhD, of Heidelberg Repatriation Hospital in Australia, and colleagues reported in the Oct. 27 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.



The findings suggest that the "high rate of relapse among obese people who have lost weight has a strong physiological basis and is not simply the result of the voluntary resumption of old habits," Proietto and colleagues wrote.




See the full article here:

http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/...



More and more studies are being done on weight and hormones showing that what feels like "slim habits" are actually hormone driven habits.



A new study suggests ghrelin — the hunger hormone — plays a key role in triggering individuals to indulge in high-calorie, high-fat comfort foods in response to stress.



Using a mouse model, researchers believe ghrelin is responsible for initiating unhealthy eating behavior.




Article:

http://psychcentral.com/news/2011/06/24/...

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Me too Rebecca! Except I'm 5'4 LOL

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I gained an entire Teresa when I was pregnant with my twins. ;-) But I'm also 5'11".

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Rebecca, just under 4'11". I put on 42 pounds w/ the girls though... and lost 40 of it in less than 2 weeks after they were born!

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People have different body types to take into account and different metabolisms that can also effect whether or not they are "slim". Things like thyroid disorder and mental disease can also effect whether or not a person is "slim".



So...while some of this may indeed be true, I think it has to do more with chemical and physiological make up than just a mindset.



If I eat a big meal one day, the next day I'm still just as hungry as I was the day before. That's just how my body works. Now, that doesn't mean I'm going to eat a ton the next day, but I'm not more likely to skimp on food because I still feel full from the night before.



I do agree about the no dieting thing, though. When I changed my lifestyle to cut carbs back...I lost the weight and I've been able to keep it off by not going back to my old lifestyle. Do I indulge occasionally? I sure do...but I don't do it every day and when I DO indulge I don't over do it.



I'm not exactly SLIM yet...but I've lived a long time being "okay" with my weight. When I finally realized how sick I was becoming I saw that I wasn't really "okay" with my weight. I'm getting back to being ME...which is the person I was before I became complacent...the person who weighed less than 150 and was healthy.