Obama for 2012

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 01/23/2011 ( 248 moms have responded )

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2012 is coming……will you vote for Obama again or for the first time?
Who would you like to see running for president? And why?

How would you rate the job Obama has done 1-10 with 10 being the best?

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"I don't know why the right kept screaming about the government "running" the health care system and going on about Canada's system when nothing like that was EVER proposed (by Obama) ...there were a few politicians who thought it would be a good idea but it was never put on the table." --Laura G



:) I think we just made the same point. I agree with you that neither option was anything like any of the universal healthcare policies in place in other countries, like Canada, but I disagree that the original or the revised legislation here were any good. The current legislation is not bad because reps "watered it down" it is bad because it was bad to begin with. The best thing to do would be to start from scratch and create something that actually works and moves us more towards universal healthcare.

LaCi - posted on 01/25/2011

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This thread has totally gone off the deep end. I can't believe the nonsense I'm seeing.

Sara - posted on 01/25/2011

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The fact of the matter is that during the debate for the Healthcare Bill, the right took it upon themselves to try and defeat it through the court of public opinion by building up strawmen and concocting lies about the bill. Throw in some socialism, some marxism, some death panels for good measure and voila!! People didn't want it! But you know what? They didn't want it for reasons that weren't true, not on the merits of the bill. Granted, the Dems did a piss poor job selling the bill, but the right tried to tear it down through constructing lies about it, plain and simple.



If people want to have a dialogue about the bill, I totally support that. But I think that we need to have a dialogue based on facts and real information, not on lies and catch phrases meant to scare you and distract you from the real issues. And the real issue, to me, is that healthcare should not be a FOR PROFIT industry in this country. And as long as Health Insurance companies have so much pull in Washington, we will never get away from it. Who do you think is throwing around all the money to try and repeal this bill behind the scenes, while publically saying they support the bill?

Isobel - posted on 01/25/2011

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That WAS the public option...INSURANCE! The right kept going on about the government taking over health care and I watched CSPAN every night (I know zzzzzz)...I was in Maine during all the town hall debates about health care...and the public option was for insurance...I don't know why the right kept screaming about the government "running" the health care system and going on about Canada's system when nothing like that was EVER proposed (by Obama) ...there were a few politicians who thought it would be a good idea but it was never put on the table.

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It did have a public INSURANCE option. Not a public health care option. They are not the same.



A public option like the one in Australia was proposed by someone and immediately shot down by both sides--dems and reps--because there was no way to finance it long term without provisions to rein in the cost of actual medical care, and that is something dems refused to compromise on.

Sara - posted on 01/25/2011

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Are you for real? I mean, seriously??? He has shown his birth certificate. The state of Hawaii has shown his birth certificate. If you don't want to like him or want to vote for him, that's completely your right, but dislike him and think he's unqualified for legitimate purposes, not for BS like that. Open your eyes!



BIRTHERS FOR HAWAIIAN STATEHOOD!

Patricia - posted on 01/25/2011

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No I wouldn't even vote for him. We don't even know if hes a true American. Did he show us his Birth Record? Say NO

Isobel - posted on 01/25/2011

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and that he said over and over again that the public option was the KEY to making the ENTIRE plan work...but NOPE, that's eviiiiiil socialism

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a) you can't blame Obama for the fact that a perfectly good bill got watered down to nothing in order for it to pass

Do you know what the bill looked like to begin with?

Isobel - posted on 01/25/2011

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I would like to see both parties work together to FIX the bill...get rid of the loopholes (like they should've been doing from the start) instead of saying we'll repeal it, then make our own that will be better (by the way...three quarters of what the right wants in their NEW reform, is already in this one)...why can't they just work together to FIX what's wrong with it instead of using it as a stupid talking point.

Isobel - posted on 01/25/2011

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a) you can't blame Obama for the fact that a perfectly good bill got watered down to nothing in order for it to pass...it's like giving somebody all the parts to build a Ferrari and then they choose to build a go-cart instead and then complain that it doesn't go as fast as you said it would.



b) The main reason you will never see a Canadian, Aussie, or Brit agree with a Republican on the matter of health care is because in our societies health care is considered a right...we can not fathom it any other way. To hear somebody call it a luxury generally makes our skin crawl.

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Well, he made it worse for MY family. I won't say he made it worse for everyone, but I can certainly say, he didn't make it "better" for the majority of people.

The long term republican idea was to get the cost of healthcare (not insurance, but actual medical expenses) under control, then shift towards a government regulated healthcare system.
The democratic plan cannot even really be considered health "care" reform, it was insurance reform and nothing more.
It is not that the republicans were not interested, they proposed a bill as well, and set forth many idea, but they lacked media coverage, and dems all but ignored their ideas. Due to Bush's gross incompetence, they simply didn't have enough power to make anything of their plans.

I've never heard the idea that most of the uninsured were so because they'd rather spend their money on other things. Most of the uninsured are so because they are middle class citizens who are self employed or work for small businesses and have pre-existing conditions--They cannot afford (or be accepted for) private policies to cover them yet they make too much for government health coverage.

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Heather, as a UK citizen, I would be interested to know how England is moving away from uhc? No-one in this country has to pay for for healthcare. The NHS is being reformed, to give GPs more responsibility, but healthcare will still be free. As for "students" rioting the peaceful demonstrations were infiltrated by a minority of anarchists and troublemakers.

Sorry to hijack an American thread.

Krista - posted on 01/25/2011

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I'll be honest, Kelly. I haven't read up enough on the healthcare bill to be able to intelligently discuss its merits.

However, I DO know that the status quo just wasn't working, and that the Republicans were showing absolutely no interest in changing it. Private insurers had everybody by their proverbial balls, dropping patients left and right the second that they cost more in coverage than they paid in premiums. And that's not right.

Did Obama make it better? Or did he make it worse? I don't know -- I think it's actually too soon to tell. But damn it, at least he's TRYING to do something to fix it. At least he acknowledged that the system was completely screwed up. Maybe it's better that he changed it, and then things can be fine-tuned and adjusted as the years go by in order to make it work better. But if it were up to his opponents it would have gone on like this forever, because of this ridiculous attitude by the right that the only reason people were uninsured was because they'd rather spend their money on Fritos and smokes.

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" I'm sure that the cancer patients, who cannot afford chemotherapy because their insurer dropped them, would find it "nice" to be covered." Krista.



I'm one of the people who got dropped b/c of cancer and, yes, it would be awesome to be covered, BUT most cancer survivors will still not be able to afford coverage under this new plan (Unless they no longer work at all or work for a large company). They, along with other high-risk applicants, will be among those paying the "Health Tax" because paying the tax and having no coverage will still be cheaper than buying one of the outrageously expensive "High-Risk Policies"......whoopty doo for us!!

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You actually believe there were death panels in the original bill? It's been proven repeatedly that this was NOT the case, but hey, why let the truth get in the way of your paranoia?

, it would be nice for more people to be covered, but how certain media outlets would have us believe is that children and single mothers don't have coverage

I love how you just blithely gloss over "yes it would be nice for more people to be covered." I'm sure that the cancer patients, who cannot afford chemotherapy because their insurer dropped them, would find it "nice" to be covered.

Heather - posted on 01/25/2011

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sorry just saw another part of your statement.

What 5 countries would that be? England is doing/ moving away from UHC, Ireland, well most of Europe is in termoil because their govmt can't provide all the entitlements any longer & all these people who feel that they're "entitled" are rioting VIOLENTLY as I've stated previously. Even In England they were throwing stuff at Prince Charles vehicle & screaming "off with their heads!" not to mention tons of students destroying bldgs, starting fires, throwing fiire bombs at the police all because the govmt could no longer afford free college.

sounds like such a wonderful paradise!

Heather - posted on 01/25/2011

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@Loureen- It is a valid argument as taking (not charity, but Govmt enforced) a wealthy person's $$$ because it is "Not Fair" that they are rich & "Hoarding" all of their $$$ rather than "Sharing" the wealth they ERANED. It is the same. Instead of being able to purchase a nice item/ vacation for all the hard work that person put in, It is STOLEN to give ENTITLEMENTS (which, BTW, is the reason that Europe is having all of these EXTREMELY VIOLENT Protests, because "their" entitlements are being taken away (aww, poor guys have to actually work cause there isn't enough wealthy to take care of them any more). So yes, in a round about way, it is a valid argument!



I watch all news, as stated before. MSNBC, CNN, and many other far left intentionally mislead their audiences. Most of the time they state something, but show NOTHING to back it up. Or they state 1/2 truths. Or they conv edit something to make it "APPEAR" to state something other than what is actually means. I have seen it first hand. Just like their statement that if you don't agree w/ Obama "You're a Racist" so were those that supported him but are now wise to him Color Blind originally? Or if you are against Obamacare "You want poor people, babies, & ..... to Die!" WOW, REALLY???? Oh better yet, "We just don't know what's good for us!", Yep, Don't think so. Sorry MR. Obama, You Do NOT know better then 74% of Americans!!!



So this women who watches MSNBC (know this as she stated that was where she heard about that paticular event) who was lining up to get "Free Bama $$$" (Some entitlement for low inner city income families ) when asked by a Fox reporter where she thought the money came from stated "I don't know, Obama! He's the President, He just makes it!" WOW!!!!



Or the Fact that the majority of Fox watchers are some of the wealthiest, educated, Businessmen/ women in America. Oh How about that they are the MOST TRUSTED News outlet out of ALL Media, w/ the 2nd place being FAR behind. My IQ is pretty good at 142. I also, as stated, do NOT just believe blindly what I'm told. I DO look at things from all sides and points of view. Just like when someone says that Glenn Beck is an idiot, when asked why, they CAN'T state 1 thing. Though when I 1st saw Glenn Beck, I thought he was a bit out there. But as I always do, I would research the things he stated as fact, & sure enough he was correct. Not to mention the Left wouldn't be bashing him as hard as they do if he wasn't correct. Just like the food prices going up, Beck talked about this months before the prices started increasing, & was torn a new one my the left media. Well, guess what!?!! Food prices have gone up quite a bit. The Left also ONLY reports what helps their agenda. Like w/ the horrible shooting in Tucson. The Left was blaming Palin, Beck & Fox, turs out the guy did NOT even watch/ read any cable news, & in actuality read some very far Left books. However, when 1 of the guys that was shot in the leg goes to a Tea Party gathering, stands up & takes a picture of the VP of that paticular Tep Party group and then says "YOU'RE DEAD!" along w/ other far left rhetoric which followed basically what the Left states almost daily, they don't report on it at all!!! And yes, Fox could have stated how the Left was to blame for this crazy persons spewing, but they DIDN'T!! So, again, Knowledge is POWER!!! TRUTH will Set Us Free!!!



Peace & Well Wishes.



P.S. Univ of MD is a VERY Left/ Liberal College. That was my neck of the woods!! Also, I bet if I looked hard enough I could find a report that Evolution is a FACT... Oh Wait, I could find many reports stating that!!! But Guess What..... It is NOT a FACT!!!! It is a HYPOTHESIS that has yet to be PROVEN!!!

Charlie - posted on 01/25/2011

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WHOA since when was Obama offering 70" flat screens , your argument is not a valid one because it is so far from reality in fact your entire theory is based on assumption , It has nothing to do with material belongings but to do with affording everyone basic human rights like access to free health care .



Many countries operate on this tax basis and successfully and guess what they make up the top five happiest countries in the world , for the supposed leaders of the free world America sure does lag behind .







"Fox News seems to be the only honest outlet I have come across. "



And with that last comment I bid you adieu , fox news is a joke ....seriously I am laughing right now .



And before I step out an interesting side note :



Yet another study has been released that proves that watching Fox News is detrimental to your intelligence. World Public Opinion, a project managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, conducted a survey of American voters that shows that Fox News viewers are significantly more misinformed than consumers of news from other sources. What’s more, the study shows that greater exposure to Fox News increases misinformation.



So the more you watch, the less you know. Or to be precise, the more you think you know that is actually false. This study corroborates a previous PIPA study that focused on the Iraq war with similar results. And there was an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll that demonstrated the break with reality on the part of Fox viewers with regard to health care. The body of evidence that Fox News is nothing but a propaganda machine dedicated to lies is growing by the day.



In eight of the nine questions below, Fox News placed first in the percentage of those who were misinformed (they placed second in the question on TARP). That’s a pretty high batting average for journalistic fraud. Here is a list of what Fox News viewers believe that just aint so:



* 91% believe that the stimulus legislation lost jobs.

* 72% believe that the health reform law will increase the deficit.

* 72% believe that the economy is getting worse.

* 60% believe that climate change is not occurring.

* 49% believe that income taxes have gone up.

* 63% believe that the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts.

* 56% believe that Obama initiated the GM/Chrysler bailout.

* 38% believe that most Republicans opposed TARP.

* 63% believe that Obama was not born in the US (or that it is unclear).



The conclusion is inescapable. Fox News is deliberately misinforming their viewers and they are doing it for a reason. Every issue above is one in which the Republican Party had a vested interest. They benefited from the ignorance that Fox News helped to proliferate. The results were apparent in the election last month as voters based their decisions on demonstrably false information fed to them by Fox News.



By the way, the rest of the media was not blameless. CNN and the broadcast network news operations fared only slightly better in many cases. Even MSNBC, which had the best record of accurately informing viewers, has a ways to go before they can brag about it.



The conclusions in this study need to be disseminated as broadly as possible. Fox’s competitors need to report these results and produce ad campaigns featuring them. Newspapers and magazines need to publish the study across the country. This is big news and it is critical that the nation be advised that a major news enterprise is poisoning their minds.



This is not an isolated review of Fox’s performance. It has been corroborated time and time again. The fact that Fox News is so blatantly dishonest, and the effects of that dishonesty have become ingrained in an electorate that has been been purposefully deceived, needs to be made known to every American. Our democracy cannot function if voters are making choices based on lies. We have the evidence that Fox is tilting the scales and we must now make certain that they do not get away with it.

Heather - posted on 01/24/2011

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@Joy- "Wait. HOW is it again that we're the supposedly "strongest nation in the world", when we're the only country in the world who lives like this? Hmmm...."



Live like how? We have 1 of the BEST Healthcare/ service in the WORLD!!!! Yes, it would be nice for more people to be covered, but how certain media outlets would have us believe is that children and single mothers don't have coverage.... That is an Outright LIE!!!! Every child is able to recv healthcare through the state. Even the majority of single Mom's for their entire pregnancy as well as for some time afterwards.







Sorry for the bombardment of posts. Very passionate about this subject. So sick & Tired of the media Lying or intentionally misleading the public. Fox News seems to be the only honest outlet I have come across. NO, I'm not a blind follower or brainwashed. I use common sense, ask questions from all media, especially when they state something but don't back it up (like MSNBC, CNN, NBC), I research everything I hear, & believe no one until they have proven they are honest. And even then, if they talk about something that sounds a bit out there (like Death Panels) I research it, oh & BTW, Dems did have Death Panels in the Obamacare Bill, then removed it when it was found out & reported on Fox, then was sneaked in again, until it was leaked!

Heather - posted on 01/24/2011

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@Lisa- You currently have a lot of Liberals in office right now... So if you want to Socialistic, Dictatorship, that is who you'd want to vote for. & if you are for less Govmt control than don't buy into Obama moving center. It's only so he can get re-elected in 2012.

I bet he is going to take credit for the economy turning around, never mind that the economy, & the Americans Hopefullness, turned for the better as soon as Republicans took over the house. And Obama ONLY put that extra Payroll Tax break in when the Repub fought for extending the Bush tax credits to say that it was because of HIS payroll tax break that Bus are hiring again. Don't be fooled. He is FAR from Center!!! It is all for Show. If he is re-elected, you WILL see him going even more left than his 1st two yrs since he knows that he can't run for Pres again anyhow. That is why he pushed so hard and so fast to get as much of the Lefts agenda done the 1st 2yrs, so the next 2yrs he will pretend to have realigned w/ the majority of Americans & moved more center!I guarantee that he will NOT try to pass too many controversial/ not popular, policies until after the elections for 2012. I also wouldn't be surprised if he didn't grant illegals immunity right before the next election to try & win the Latino votes

Heather - posted on 01/24/2011

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@Loureen Post 141-

"Instead of uniting the American people he is building a huge wall between us!"
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The only people building walls are people the implied attitude that says " MY money everyone else can suffer " , personally I don't understand this way of thinking I seriously do not mind paying taxes to help everyone in our country live a little easier , have access to health care at all times , live a better quality of life ect"

Life isn't easy. We are meant to work hard to earn what we have so we RESPECT what we've EARNED!!! I also have no problem at all w/ donating $$$, of my OWN free will, NOT having it stolen from me by the govmt. If more & more just get stuff, they feel "entitled", then slowly complain when they don't get something, blaim others for their sadness. Not to mention, Joe notices that you are just "getting stuff" w/o lifting a finger, so why should he?, so he just sits home demanding his, and so on. Before you know it, you have TONS of LAZY people, feeling Entitled to EVERYTHING "hey that dude has a 70" Flat screen, that's not fair (never mind he worked his ASS off for it), I'm entitled to have it too, I'm gonna get what's 'rightfully' MINE!" as you walk over and STEAL it from Joe! So than Joe says to himself, "Self, why should I be working so hard while my neighbors sit on the tushies just being handed stuff that my taxes pay for? I'm just gonna sit at home and be entitled too!" & so on..... Before you know it, you have a country full of Lazy, self righteous, greedy SOB's. No one is working, just complaining, & GUESS WHAT??? NO TAXES to pay for what is 'Rightfully Yours' (sarcasm intended!!!!

No, I'm sorry, what is building a wall between us is, sadly, the President, and other far lefts that promote this ideology! They are causing a class war fare, saying the rich this & the rich that. Neglecting to state that the top 2% of the wealthiest Americans pay over 60% of ALL Taxes, & the wealthiest 10% pay over 80%. Obama wanted it that if you made over $200,000 (which is NOT very wealthy depending on where you live) to pay 48% in Federal taxes. Not including local taxes. So if you make $199,999 you pay only 28%. Why would you make that extra dollar? How is THAT fair???? There should be a straight tax percentage across the board, no matter your income. No income teir brackets, just a straight, let's say, 18% no matter what you make. If you make less, then you pay a lot less & vice-versa. Plus your deductibles. That would be fair!!!!

Lisa - posted on 01/24/2011

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I think it would be interesting to see someone other than a Republican or Democrat in office....preferably a Libertarian.

Lady Heather - posted on 01/24/2011

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I think if you live in a rural area with really low population you are probably not going to have the best healthcare whether it's paid for or not. I'm talking super rural. Those are the only places I can imagine anyone complaining horrendously about healthcare here. Private care wouldn't solve that. Not many people want to live in the boonies of northern BC. Nothing is ever going to change that. I live in a smaller city though and I think it's pretty decent given where we are. When I need care, I get it.

Honestly though, even people who complain about healthcare here would not trade it for a private system. Maybe a few people, but none I've actually encountered in real life.

Heather - posted on 01/24/2011

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@Laura- Sadly you are correct. Even more Sadly 1 more of Obama's phoney promises to do away w/ earmarks!

I believe that all Politicians are held accountable for the platform/ promises that they use to be elected. Now I know that once you get in office, knew information is recvd which may change your original stance. That's fine, to a certain extent, and w/ an explanation for the change in heart. I am SICK & Tired of Politicians making all kinds of promises while they are running, just saying what they think we want to hear but Knowing that they have NO intention of keeping said promises. At least it seems like the new Repub in the house seem to be holding true to what the promised. Hopefully they will continue!

Heather - posted on 01/24/2011

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@Emma- I won't disagree 100%, especially in the past, HOWEVER, this is hardly done by us. Now China, China does to a ridiculous amount even today. We have done a lot to help 3rd world countries & we don't "Owe" them anything but to be Respectful & Humane when injustices are being done against their people, or serious catastrophies, like earthquakes, etc, which we do. But we also should ensure that money that is donated for a certain purpose, i.e. Haiti,is actually used for that purpose. And Obama should be putting pressure on the Haitian govmt to find out where the BILLIONS of dollars donated has gone! And not 1 more penny is given to them until every penny that both our Govmt (tax money) as well as private donations by American citizens is ACCOUNTED for!!

Heather - posted on 01/24/2011

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@Jenny- maybe it's the location, like bigger city vs. more rural?.? Only going from what I have been told by Many. Though, w/ Americas specific deal, it's very scetchy w/ how Obama hid it, threw none Healthcare related items into the bill, which is basically done to "Buy" the extra votes needed. It actually didn't get passed so Obama used a "backdoor or Loophole" to get it passed, even though 76% of Americans Did NOT want Obamacare at that time.

Stifler's - posted on 01/24/2011

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I think the reason there are poor countries is because we have exploited their resources to get rich, so we owe them.

Heather - posted on 01/24/2011

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"Hate" is such a STRONG word! I don't care for Obama. But Hate, absolutely NOT! I also believe that Obama whole heartedly believes what he is doing is for the betterment of the "World", look at his upbringing. America, in his eyes, is the enemy. In his eyes, America is a Bully & should hand over the reins. Now yes, America has done many questionable things, However, overall, America w/ the help of England, Canada, Australia, and many other countries, has done A LOT to help MANY countries & their citizen.

Obama is INTENTIONALLY running America into the ground. I mean he hired the Chief Exec of GE to head a new economic advisory panel. REALLY!!!!!???!!! You don't need a very high IQ to know that is a VERY strange move!!!

Jenny - posted on 01/24/2011

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I had every prenatal test I needed when I needed it. My doctor was willing to be there Christmas Day to be with me when I had my baby. I didn't need her till the next day thankfully.

The waits are not that bad. Last Spring I fractured my finger and had plastic surgery the morning after I had it checked out. I had a mammogram last month and the wait was 3 weeks (for nothing serious). I've never waited longer than a week to see my family doc and that was for a routine yearly pap/maintenance exam. Ya we get all those free too. If the wait is longer for your family doc then you'd like you can go to walk in clinic and wait up to an hour for a checkup. Big deal.

Lady Heather - posted on 01/24/2011

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I had ultrasounds at 7.5 weeks, 8 weeks, 18 weeks, then once a month and then every two weeks and then every day for the last week. I had a problem. I do not think ultrasounds are necessary early on. It's wasteful to give everyone an early ultrasound. It is common practice to do so in Canada if there is a reason to suspect a problem or to date a pregnancy if the woman is unsure of the timing. In Ontario they do first trimester ultrasounds as a matter of course, so in some parts of Canada they have that same "benefit".

I can see a doctor same day. You'd have to live somewhere pretty whack to not be able to do that. We have a doctor shortage here, but when I get a UTI I go to the clinic and get my scrip pretty quickly.

I don't really care how great YOUR situation is, because there are so many people in the US who don't have that. Some people with insurance still have to pay ridiculously high co-pays. I don't pay anything when I go to the doctor. I don't have to think about going to the ER. I just go. And that's not just me. That is EVERY PERSON in this country. Anything less is uncivilized in my book. I might have to wait a little bit on an MRI (although we DO have places you can pay for that if you really think you are going to die). At least I go to bed at night knowing that the poorest among us are being looked after. At least I know that no matter what happens to me, I'll always have my healthcare.

Man, don't even talk to me about ultrasounds and prenatal care. I swear to God, I had the best prenatal care there ever was. A midwife, an midwive's assistant, an obstetrician just to do my ultrasounds, consultation from an more experinced obstetrician, a lovely stay in a hotel-like hospital room complete with a double bed for my husband and my own jacuzzi. Did not pay a single penny. Oh wait - if it wasn't covered by my husband's employer I'd be paying $50 a month in premiums. But when I had no income the province covered that for me.

Like I said - freaking sweet.

Charlie - posted on 01/24/2011

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Funny the only people crying poor me are the ones ones who have nothing to worry about .

I had three ultrasounds , I wouldn't get any unnecessary ultrasounds done for the sake of it , it's just not healthy .

Isobel - posted on 01/24/2011

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but just for the record...my ob had an ultrasound in his own office, so anytime he felt he should perform one, he did...I have a friend who had 5...but she was higher risk than I was.

Heather - posted on 01/24/2011

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I Love my healthcare! When I was pregnant, I was given ultrasounds to make sure all was fine by 10 weeks, which I know if virtually unheard of in Canada, as I have some wonderful friends up there, not to mention friends I met through Pregnancy forums, that were shocked that we got ultrasounds before 20weeks w/o something like bleeding going on. I can get in to see the Dr. w/in a day if not same day. I can get an MRI w/in a few days w/o paying a deductible. I was able to have my OWN insurance by 19yrs through my employer. Now, this year my healthcare through my husbands job (I now stay at home w/ 4 lil'ones) has increased quite a bit, why you ask? Because of OBAMACARE!!! The costs on small Bus due to the current Obamacare is causing even more harm to our economy due to the fact that they do not want to hire more employees because they don't know what penalties they will be hit w/, etc.

Again, I do agree that some things need to be changed, but NOT a system that rewards the Lazy (I'm not talking about those that are in a rut & honestly wants to work/ earn their way. Just like unemployment. EVERY statistic out there PROVES that when someone knows that they are about to lose this benefit, they find a job!!! So why would Obama keep extending it? If someone knows that they can make enough to get by w/o having to do anything, the majority (not all) will gladly take that hand out. Sad but true. Though I would hope that I wouldn't be one of those people, I couldn't guarantee it.

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What about Limbaugh as one example and people eat up his comments who in my opinion is just as bad as Glenn beck .

Limbaugh has called Obama a ‘halfrican American’ has said that Obama was not Black but Arab because Kenya is an Arab region, even though Arabs are less than one percent of Kenya. Since mainstream America has become more accepting of African-Americans, Limbaugh has decided to play against its new racial fears, Arabs and Muslims. Despite the fact Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law school, Limbaugh has called him an ‘affirmative action candidate.’ Limbaugh even has repeatedly played a song on his radio show ‘Barack the Magic Negro’ using an antiquated Jim Crow era term for Black a man who many Americans are supporting for president.



That is hateful .

Isobel - posted on 01/24/2011

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not because you hate Obama...cause lots of people hate Obama, but because you are dark enough to even jokingly make a comment like that about ANYBODY

Isobel - posted on 01/24/2011

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You just proved all of us on the left right by wishing him dead, wishing he had terrible stds...you make me a little bit sick

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@Laura- Yes, I want to be sure that I'm staying fair & watch/ read stuff from all sides. I must say that though the Left is ALWAYS pointing fingers at Republicans & Fox News, I have NEVER seen ANY hateful rhetoric coming from them, However, MSNBC, especially, is ALWAYS blasting the right. I mean they are outright MEAN & HATEFUL & their tone is Beyond ANGRY!! I can only stand so much before I start getting upset. Not at the right, but at them. They state all these things as "Fact" YET absolutely NEVER Back up any of this w/ FACTS!!! They also have edited footage to make a comment made by let's say Glenn Beck or O'Reily to make it APPEAR that something was said that wasn't even close to being accurate.

What I also think is interesting, is that through history, there have many MANY More Democrats that have been indited for Tax fraud, purgery, ethics violation (like being given a "gift" for their vote, etc. I mean SERIOUS stuff. And yes, there have been Republicans guilty of the same, BUT a mere fraction compared to Dems. They should be held to a higher level and ANYONE, Rep or Dem, guilty of such illegal violations should get the book thrown at them rather than just getting a verbal "talking too".

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Oh yeah - I do know someone who read the healthcare bill. My friend Denise. She is not a politician (unfortunately). But someone read it! hehe.

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@Jenn M.

OMG That is FUNNY!!! Though would've been funnier if it was the head of China!!! Wonder how that would have went over.

Though Spewing your tummy contents on someone isn't one of the signs, unless of course his head was spinning around! LMAO =0)

Isobel - posted on 01/24/2011

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Way to prove that the hateful violent rhetoric is coming from the left Deanna...peace and love people.

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Yep us Aussies love it too ...... your freaking out over nothing , I guess some people just hate change as far as I'm concerned I would much rather ( as does EVERY Aussie ) have government run health care than the shambles you Americans have .

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I would vote for Michelle Obama. Sad to see such an amazing woman connected to such an awful man. Can you imagine what she would do for our country!!

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Heather, a good chunk of Moms on here live in UHC systems and we ALL love it. We don't need to research it because we live it.

Sure, there is always room for improvements and, no, waiting times are not that bad. If you find one that will give up UHC and switch to an American style user pay, I'll eat my hat.

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