Obama kills babies

Caitlin - posted on 11/04/2010 ( 46 moms have responded )

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When will it end? Seriously? Propaganda is everywhere, don't people realise this? They believe everything they see/hear on the internet or in the media not knowing the exact detailsor sources, but blindly believe it...

What I'm talking about is this thread..
http://www.circleofmoms.com/young-moms-a...

FYI.. I didn't watch the video (well, the first 45 seconds).. I have NO interest in being disgusted before bed. This isn't a deabte about if he kills babies or promotes the killing of babies, but are people really that stupid?

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Jodi - posted on 11/04/2010

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My issue (as it seems Caitlin's issue was also) with the OP was not that she's anti-abortion or disturbed by infanticide or even if she hates our president. My issue was that she took a politically engineered, clearly biased video and based her assumption off of it. She claimed to have researched the topic thuroughly, but it was clear to me she did not and was yet just another ignorant woman all to ready to take at face value whatever the first bit of "information" thrown her way and mass spread that bit of "information" to a hoard of women, in my experience, exactly like her...unwilling to do their research on the topic at hand and all to ready to jump on the wagon with no idea where it is heading.

Mary - posted on 11/05/2010

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Just for clarification, a baby CAN be born alive at 20-21 weeks, they just don't survive very long. I have seen more than one baby in the 21-23 week range born alive (women who went into pre-term labor we were unable to stop); they have a heartbeat, and do take agonal breaths. I vividly remember one that lived about two hours while her mother held her.

There is no absolute cut-off for viability; in practice, babies between 23 and 25 weeks are assessed at birth by the NICU staff (if this is what the parents choose) before all-out resuscitative measures are committed to. I perssonally was involved with the delivery of a little girl who was born at 23 4/7 who did survive. Her mother named her Star, and she is now 4 years old. She is significantly delayed, and legally blind.

Caitlin - posted on 11/05/2010

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The image they leave you with at the end of the poor little baby being left all alone in a dark room(seemingly to die) is a very powerful emotional motivator, and the music was incredibly well chosen for incite that emotional response.. I guess some people would be swayed by that, but I like facts too.. I mean, I cry when I watch disney movies too! Doesn't make them factual.. (lol)

Rosie - posted on 11/05/2010

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did you also know that planned parenthood's goal is to wipe out the black race? -another propoganda video i've watched as well. people will stop at nothing -short of facts- to make abortion illegal. it really sickens me actually. if people would actually use their brain when making decisions instead of listening to whatever comes out on youtube i could understand their position a little better. but videos like this one make me want to pull my hair out.

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Nikkole - posted on 11/07/2010

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I get on this website called care 2 and they always have stories on abortions and stuff i am pro life and i dont agree with abortions unless they are life and death situations BUT i hate how women use this as birth control and have late term abortions a baby is a baby AS SOON AS ITS MADE!

Danielle - posted on 11/07/2010

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Obama is the best thing to happen to the United States. End of discussion.

Leah - posted on 11/07/2010

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Ok watched the said video finally and seriously, wtf? Someone seriously thought that was credible? In her post she said he fully supported it blah blah blah, but showed no facts, just him making a speech with the 'Planned Parenthood' signs behind him. Whatever, people are stupid and guilable.

For the record, as a proud Canadian, I am totally Pro-Obama. Hopefully he can make some badly needed changes and that ripple effect will make its way up north. You know Stephen Harper follows him around like a sad little puppy. God I hate him, Robo-Harper. IMO. :D

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yeah, people really are stupid enough to believe propaganda. i'm pretty sure the president of the united states with two lovely children of his own is TOTALLY out to kill all the babies.

Jenn - posted on 11/06/2010

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My sister was pregnant a third time and they found out when she was 5 months or something that the baby had anencephaly. She had to deliver the baby. I don't know all the gory details of how it was done, and don't want to, but she did have to labour and deliver her baby. :(

Janessa - posted on 11/06/2010

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why don't these people adopt these unwanted babies i am so sick of prolifers i hate them actually.

Jodi - posted on 11/06/2010

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I agree Carol, if they had a leg to stand on they would have cited something...anything! As it is, they didn't even tell us what bills were vetoed, a website to see the bills, any comments from Obama directly relating to the vetoing of the bills etc etc etc. Their most "credible" information was from an RN and quite frankly I don't consider that credible information.
What saddens me the most, is that whoever made this video/ad obviously KNEW they didn't need to put forth any actual facts, cite any information or appeal to our intelligence which says a lot for what they think of our intelligence. Anyone watching the video should/could feel insulted at their obvious opinion of us. Unfortunately, it's all too common and most people don't even realize it!

Johnny - posted on 11/06/2010

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Like most politicians know, when the facts don't support your case, well-crafted lies are an excellent alternative. For most people, they are the same as facts because no one bothers to think for themselves and do their own research. In this case however, it was just poorly crafted.

Isobel - posted on 11/06/2010

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I didn't find it powerful either...it's clearly a few months old and on a sound set. It actually makes me ANGRY, not upset, that they are so clearly TRYING to manipulate me.

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Caitlin, I am disagree, that image didn't affect me because I'm almost certain that baby was not left to die and was obviously not in the room alone (lighting, camera man, mum etc). I just don't believe it to be true (as I know you don't either) and I watched the video with humour rather than allowing it to make me sad.

Kayle - posted on 11/05/2010

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I know that Obama probably doesn't have anything to do with it but the fact that these are happening still makes me sick. But I cry whenever the mention of a baby dieing or anything like that.

Kayle - posted on 11/05/2010

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I do agree that it's totally bs propaganda. But the video makes me sick. I saw it a while back and actually was sitting there bawling for the rest of the night. I know I'm a cry baby.. lol

Caitlin - posted on 11/05/2010

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Apparently some propagandists are good at what they do.. the ones that made this video? not so much..

Serena - posted on 11/05/2010

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I just want to point out that yes people are this dumb and in large quantities too, did anyone see the results of this midterm election? Luckily most of the time the intelligent candidate came out the winner but usually by a small margin. It just goes to show you people will believe anything...

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I just watched it and all i have to say is what a load of overly dramatic crap! If someone used that as basis for their argument they are stupid.

Leah - posted on 11/05/2010

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Tried to go back on Young Moms 20-30 and watch this video this morning but it seems the convo has been locked and video removed. By who? Good question. Would have been interested to be in the loop regarding this but doesn't matter. I found this information on a ProChoice website;
"Statistics Canada has reported that less than 1% of abortions take place past 20 weeks gestation.[1] The fact remains that nearly 90% of abortions in Canada take place before 13 weeks gestation. The belief that a woman makes the choice to have an abortion easily and without giving it much thought is especially inaccurate in instances of late-term abortion. Many women who have an abortion after 20 weeks originally wanted to have a child, but chose to have an abortion after discovering that her foetus was severely or fatally impaired, or upon the discovery that her own health or life is endangered.'

I think that pretty much sums it up. We discovered at our oldests 16 week ultrasound that her bowels were on the outside of her body. This condition carries a mortailty rate of up to 40% at birth and is even higher after. After being told this information by the GI specialist and OB GYN, we were asked if we wanted to abort. I was 18 weeks along. What kind of choice is that to make?? No body wants to hear that and no body wants to be put in that situation. We obviously didn't go through with the procedure.

Late term abortions do serve a purpose in society and should still be legal, up to a certain point. Anything past 20 weeks, IMO, is just cruel. Most responsible mothers have their first ultrasound by 16 weeks at the latest and will find out if there is anything detectable at that point. Of course there are still many, many defects that are not detectable until much later in the pregnancy or until birth, but alot can be detected and the parents can be given the choice at that point.

Jodi - posted on 11/05/2010

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Definitions of viability on the Web:

•(of living things) capable of normal growth and development
•capable of being done in a practical and useful way
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•Viability is the ability of a fetus to survive outside the uterus without artificial support;Moore, Keith and Persaud, T. , p. 103 (Saunders 2003). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viability_(fetal)

•the property of being viable; the ability to live or to succeed
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/viability

•viable - feasible: capable of being done with means at hand and circumstances as they are
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•viable - Able to live on its own (as for a newborn.); Able to be done, possible
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/viable

My OBGYN recently told me that for my twin pregnancy, my babies would be viable at 26 weeks. While there is a chance that the babies would survive before then, they generally define viability in a pregnancy as at leat 50/50% chance of survival, with or without life support. There are cases of infants surviving at extreme low weights and very early in pregnancy, but they are the norm at all and should not be used as a standard for all babies until such a time as our medical capabilities make it possible for all or nearly all babies born at a similar time.

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Carol not to pull teeth but I was under the impression that the youngest baby surviving was born at 21 weeks and 5 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterm_bir...

On the OP people are stupid and believe some rubbish, which is really unfortunate, because if they actually thought about it they would see that most of it is made up, or has an agenda.

Johnny - posted on 11/04/2010

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According to "Pro-Life Blogs" the youngest surviving baby ever born was 22 weeks 6 days and weighed in a 10 oz born in Miami, Florida. I'm using a pro-life source on purpose.

http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/arc...

Virtually every topic on COM seems to have a post from at least one person who has bought into some sort of media hype or social rumor and not bothered to do their own research on reality. Most people prefer to have their pre-conceived notions validated rather than challenged.

Ez - posted on 11/04/2010

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Oh and as for viability, cut off in Australia is 23 weeks. Some babies do survive at this point, but certainly not without dramatic medical intervention.

Isobel - posted on 11/04/2010

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you can actually SEE where they edit out what else was wrong with the baby...and she clearly states that usually a nurse holds the baby till it dies, but since the nurse couldn't she did it herself...

Jodi - posted on 11/04/2010

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The OP was entirely based off of the following youtube video. She did not cite any credible sources but spread the video as fact instead of the biased propaganda that it is.

C. - posted on 11/04/2010

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Not sure what the thread was really about.. It appears that the OP was deleted..

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I'm not getting into the abortion issue or the Obama one, but in re: to babies not surviving under 26 weeks... my stepmom swears there was a 20 weeker that survived when she worked in the NICU 15ish years ago. I don't know about that for sure, but I do know that I saw a couple of 22 weekers alive on the news a few years ago. Don't know how long they lived or if they're still alive, but they were at least a week old when they were on the news...

Ez - posted on 11/04/2010

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The actual method for late-term abortion IS pretty horrifying, but it doesn't involve pulling a baby out by the feet :| These people are nuts.

Jodi - posted on 11/04/2010

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Just for the record, I started compiling and pasting the information just after the second post and it didn't go in until after you joined in the "debate" Caitlin! I also couldn't believe she was trying to use that video as "fact" and wanted to put some actual, credible information out there!



*edit to add: I take it back, you were the first two posts! I didn't read any of them until AFTER I posted! Sorry! lol

Leah - posted on 11/04/2010

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Lmao Dana! Funny I was just looking at that post on the Young Moms 20-30 page and couldn't watch the video she posted b/c I'm at work, but was truly horrified by what she posted and to be honest, had a hard time believing that anyone, anywhere would do something like 'deliver the babies feet first and break the babies spine'. She say's that b/c the babies head wasn't out that it wasn't considered truly born yet. Hmm, sounds a little fishy. Gonna have to watch the video when I get home but have a hard time believing it just by the discription. Just for the record, I am pro choice but anything outside the 1st trimester makes me want to throw up!

Caitlin - posted on 11/04/2010

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Hannah - this wasn't really a debate about abortion, it's a debate more about how people will believe any pretty propaganda that backs their beliefs.. blindly..

I for one think it's hillarious.. and I was bringing it more to light because in genereal in a debating community, people tend to understand more easily how to verify sources and look for credibilty... I just still can't believe people are that dumb...

Ez - posted on 11/04/2010

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The right-wing zealots certainly can't. After all, what's a more useful propoganda tool than the 'dead baby' card? :-/

Hannah - posted on 11/04/2010

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ANOTHER debate about abortion.....and obama....can't we just move on from this topic already??

Caitlin - posted on 11/04/2010

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I love my debate i've got going on with that woman in the thread though.. It's so funny, it's like she didn't even listen to anything that was being said in the video..

I love the course on propaganda i'm taking this semester for university, it really brings all these techniques into the light, and makes me that much more leary about what I see and hear (and I was always skeptical before).

Like an "RN" (in my mind she's now a registered nincompoop) saying she witnessed a 21 -22 week old baby being born alive.. really.. because last I heard a baby couldn't survive outside it's mom before 26 weeks, and even then, can't breathe on its own..

*sigh* What is happening with humanity!

Kate CP - posted on 11/04/2010

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Are people really that stupid?

Answer: Have you been to Welcome To Circle Of Moms!! recently?

Ez - posted on 11/04/2010

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Yup, unfortunately they are.



I am pro-choice, but do actually cringe at the idea of late-term abortion (after 12wks gestation) for social reasons. But as far as I'm aware, even they are only available until 24 weeks, not 40. And if it is for medical reason, what gives people the right to judge a woman during such a difficult and heart-wrenching time?



As for Obama killing babies.. please. I'm sure he has better things to do than run some baby murdering agenda *eye roll*.

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