Octomom... What do you think?

Veronica - posted on 08/24/2009

Ok, well Sharon I guess you make some good points. This story is rather upsetting on some levels. But i don't care about what she did -- Im only interested to know what she is going to do now - and as it looks and sounds - things have been put into place to help those babies. Like someone else said - at least she didnt throw the babies in an alley and leave them to die. I dont know what it is her will, what anyone is supposed to learn from this, and what this will turn out to be for her kids. I'll just pray for all of them.

JL - posted on 08/24/2009

Ok...I am locking this thread now. The discussions are just getting too personal so No more Octomom talk!

Michelle - posted on 08/24/2009

I'm with you Savannah! I think she's a tad crazy!! I don't think I could handle that many and keep myself sane!! And a TV show! OMG!

Sharon - posted on 08/24/2009

I don't have a problem. I didn't need to lie and cheat the government to give birth to children I can't afford to feed or physically take care of.

You're forgetting she has been relying on her older parents to care for those kids.

She hasn't been doing it on her own.

She doesn't have a husband or partner to help out.

She doesn't even really have many close friends to help. That I've read of.

I didn't base my opinion of her solely on the fact she has 14 kids. Its all of her interviews and the facts that come out.

Having a child on welfare is a necessity when life goes wrong.

Having 8 when you have six on stolen money and lies is WRONG. She has said repeatedly the sperm donor had no idea whe was having that many. (14)

Veronica - posted on 08/24/2009

Im not in anyway embarrassed about anything - im grateful too - and I do read - but dont recall you being on welfare - my bad --- anyways I know what we are working hard for - and are working on getting back on our feet too -- and in case you haven't been reading -- we've been on and off the system - we get to a point where we can make it on our own - and then something else happens and we end up back on the system again. Im just not caring for all the hate to the rest of us who are on welfare. I get that you have your own opinions on stuff - but I feel you are being quick to judge, and obviously the problem lies with you.

Sharon - posted on 08/24/2009

Oh spare me! I've already said I've been on welfare!!

Do you read ANYTHING? I was damned grateful for it.

But you know what? I used it, got ON MY FEET and was doing fine. You're just embarassed because you're here bragging you've got 5 kids, want more and are on welfare. Thats not my issue - its yours. get a grip.

Veronica - posted on 08/24/2009

Uuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ive really had enough - Sharon - Im sick of the ranting and raving about welfare already -- if you were to fall on your ass and end up going for welfare - im sure you wouldnt be bitching so loudly about it, and you'd be very greatful for it. You want to complain - write a letter to your govenor and bitch at them about it. Dont put us who are being HELPED OUT by welfare on the chopping block! We pay taxes too - our tax dollars go to help both honest and dishonest people on welfare -- complain to the government for this bs -- not bitch about those who are on it. Maybe if they'd lower gas and food prices, and raise minimum wage, etc. we wouldnt be in this predicament.
Hate them, not us.

Sharon - posted on 08/24/2009

In my definition she is a whore because she sold herself and her kids and is a lying piece of crap on top of it all.

She is not the housecleaner or even the primary caregiver to FOURTEEN CHILDREN. She has a horde of FREE services provided by overly kind strangers and the government and now the production company to rear her kids for her.

She isn't a mom in any sense of the word except she gave birth to them. She is self absorbed and a lousy parent.

IN THE BEGINNING her mom said the previous 6 children were out of control and she was afraid of the other EIGHT coming home. Their parents house was foreclosure and the hospital was contemplating not sending the babies home, because there might not be a home.

Suddenly the scag who has been living on welfare has a giant new house to live in? Spare me.

If you want to have lots of children by all means do so. But if you're living on welfare your vagina oughta be sewn shut so you can't keep out more welfare recipients. I'm sick to death of supporting other peoples children when I have to fight tooth and nail to get care for myself and my own kids.

My husbands family is large. 12 kids in each generation until his. Only 6 kids in his family. Its not horrible. But they had a good solid family family business that supported them. No welfare!

And I keep saying it 14 kids isn't horrible its her. I feel sorry for her kids, I really do and I honestly think the best thing that could happen is if the state took them all from her.

You're not paying attention to anything veronica. I don't think anyone here said her having the kids was awful and in the beginning the whole world was behind her until they found she was scamming the welfare system for foodstamps and receiving IVF treatments. That makes her a whore. I'm still hoping she gets hit by a bus.

Veronica - posted on 08/24/2009

Why is she being referred to as a whore? Why is having a lot of kids looked down upon? Just because some women cannot handle more than one child, does not mean that other mothers cant either. I have 5 - and Im open for more -- Im not selfish- im giving of myself, and doing what I feel Im supposed to do - be fruitful with my husband. Sure we struggle - every damn day we struggle - but our kids are our main priority - they are fed, clothed, housed, and more importantly LOVED. They get attention, and help for each of their needs emotionally and developing. Sure I was scared about how i was going to do it - how did it work with so many kids -- but you just DO IT. You get up , you feed them, you change them, you love them, you teach them, you show them, you just DO IT. Theres a such thing called schedule or routine. My kids have this down - and that is what makes it tick. Each one is cared for individually - whether its school work, reading, teaching to read, potty training, teaching them morals and values, discipline, housework, privacy, responsibility. Its just as much work with one child as it is with my 5. No mothers job is easy. We are the housecleaner, diaper changer, doctor, nurse, psychologist, policewoman, chef, wife(if you are married), dad (if you dont have a man), teacher, counselor -etc etc. No mother should be looked down upon - no matter how many children, what poverty level you are at, or what mentallity you have either. Then we might as well start screening all women to see if they are capable of being a mom -- what about mothers with post partum depression - maybe because they are labeled to harm their kids or worse - maybe they should have their kids taken away -huh? Maybe mentally ill woment should have theirs taken away too. I mean come on now people - who are we to judge who is suitable to be a mom? We arent. Ive met lots of women on here that are great mothers - regardless of what methods they use to feed, discipline, care for, nurture, and love their children (and regardless of whether they have one or 10 kids). This COM was not put together so we can bash other mothers - its here for support, opinions, and help. Dont like how someone does something - leave the forum and look for another post then.

I dont think this lady having 14 children is horrible. My extended family - great great grandparents, etc. all had 15 to 20 children. And look at the times at the beginning of the 1900s - the great depression, etc. -- they lived in horrible poverty, babies died from sickness -- they were greatful to have their children, when babies died - they had more. Back then it was huge to have lots of kids, today its disgustingly huge to kill children because people dont know how to take responsibility - and pump their bodies full of birth control or get steralized. Why is having children a horrible thing?



Im with octomom -- and thats my story.

Sharon - posted on 08/24/2009

According to the octowhore - ALL her kids have the same father. Same donor for every one of them, a personal friend of hers.



I think it will come out in the end. If nothing else - she (supposedly) has personal knowledge to impart to the kids about the spermdonor.

. - posted on 08/24/2009

As a Donor Concieved Offspring myself, I do wonder what will happen to all the children when they learn of their conception.

I wonder if the donor of 6 and 8 children (wether they were concieved through the same donor of different), is annonymus or not? I truely believe that it would have been unfortunate if Nadya had chosen an annonymus donor (I do believe that in America, annonyminity is a choice, where's here in New Zealand, since 2005 you are no longer able to remain annonymus.)



I do hope that, with these kids having the early start of their lives infront of the camera (that of course, not their choice), doesn't have any negative affect on them looking for their donor- if they choose to. And of course, having them being put in the spotlight, that may make the donor uncomfortable when the children search for him, knowing that he helped Nadya concieve these kids, and the life they led. For example, the kids find the donor, some how the media gets ahold of it this and the donor's face is plastered on tomorrow mornings newpaper/magazine.



Growing up knowing that you were DC (donor concieved) is hard because you don't have a full understanding of your identity.

What Nadya is doin, may in her own mind be filling a gap in what she missed out on, but these kids are missing out too! Sure the only male influence in their lives in their grandfather but I find it hard to understand why she wouldn't want to have gone into this beeing already in a relationship, I mean to have that many kids!.

I know that their are many women out their who have not met the "one" do have children concieved using donor sperm. Thats one of the main reasons for it.



Rather then "throwing away" her eggs, she could have given them to a couple where the women may be infertile and not able to have kids (due to her own eggs.) that way her eggs would have not gone to waste.

Tracy - posted on 08/20/2009

I in no way agree with what she has done but I think the doctor involved that implanted her in the first place was totally irresponsible. If this did'nt happen in the first place she would'nt had so many. The sad thing is the children are the ones that will suffer because of their actions. Very Sad!

Crystal - posted on 08/20/2009

I think she has like 10 rotating friends/nurses to help.

Krista - posted on 08/20/2009

GOD she disgusts me to no end! How the HELL are you able to take care of 14 children BY YOURSELF? Christ, most daycares need a freaking 1 to 8 ratio for child care. How is this NOT viewed as neglect in some way, shape or form?

?? - posted on 08/20/2009

PS: I'm not saying that people are pathetic for saying she is those things - selfish, delusional, disgusting, irresponsible etc... I just meant if you were face to face with her having a conversation - you wouldn't be in her face like some of the people seem to be implying in this thread.



I would be asking her why and trying to understand her and being considerate of her mistakes - we all make mistakes - at least she didn't just dump the kids in a back alley dumster and leave them there to die........ at least (even if it is with the help of TV reality shows) she is trying to do something good for these kids.



And when they're all older - they can hate their mom all they want - or they can defend her to pieces. Just like I'm sure Jon & Kate's 8 will do - they will grow and learn and become their own people and it will all be molded from whatever experiences they may get from their infant stardom - that they had no choice whether to participate in or not.



I will say this though - everyone talks about the children and how sad it is for the children - well how do you think those kids are gonna feel when they read hate mail or posts online or things in the newspaper talking trash about their mom ....... maybe if the world was a lil nicer to her, the world will be a lil nicer for those children to grow up in.



Yea, she made mistakes - YES SHE WILL BE PAYING FOR THEM - but the public doesn't make it any better by trashing their mother every chance they get.

Jenny - posted on 08/20/2009

I certainly have compassion for her but I do not see her mental state as a legimate reason to bring 14 kids into the world that she can't handle.

Sharon - posted on 08/20/2009

I don't count myself pathetic at all. A spade is a spade and I'll say so. If walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - it ain't a goose.



She talks looney, makes insane decisions, has been proved time and again to be a liar.



Professionals around the world have weighed in on this (thanks to this thread I've done WAY friggen more reading than I normally would have about her) and they all say "she ain't right in the head."



I don't have compassion for her type of idiot, I'm saving it for her poor kids.

?? - posted on 08/20/2009

I honestly don't really give a shit. I haven't followed this story at all... I know bits and pieces of whatever I catch here and there... but I don't really care. Nor do I really care about Jon & Kate + 8... nor do I really care about the Duggars... nor do I care about the family from Table For 12... nor do I care for anyone's life other my own enough to really have any kind of thought about it other than the initial "Eh? Ok... weirdo" thought.



I think the things I have heard about it make her seem selfish and irresponsible and whatever. I just don't really care! Maybe she's insane. Maybe she's actually just playin it up so that people who like drama suck it all in. Maybe they aren't really her kids and it's all a reality concept that is next to top the BB & Survivor series'.



At the end of the day - I don't know enough to care about any of them. It sure is amusing watching everyone else get in a huff about it though lol



I wonder how many of the women who think she is so vile would sit down with her and actually try and have a conversation with her though... would you be saying "YOU ARE A VILE PUTRED CHILD ABUSER FOR DOING WHAT YOU HAVE DONE!" or would you be showing her some compassion and trying to see where she's coming from? I think if you would do the first, rather than the latter... you're just as pathetic as you say she is.

Jenny - posted on 08/20/2009

I have big problems with people popping out large amuonts of kids especially if they cannot provide for them for any reason. It is not sustainable to our earth and there is no legitimate reason for it. There is no god so please don't give that as a "reason" unless you are also providing video evidence of one saying "have all the kids you possibly can regardless of if you can provide for them." I had two children because that is all I can provide for for the duration of their lives. Provide for financially, mentally, emotionally physically and any other way that truly matters. I expect nothing in return from them but of course the rewards are huge. I did not have kids to fill a void in myself and anyone who does should cap that uterus until you get your issues worked out. Society will thank you for it in the long run.

Michelle - posted on 08/20/2009

Ok well this is my life, i havnt had my hair done for over a year, i havnt had my nails done for over a year, spray tan. Ha! massage. Ha! new clothes, erm about 18 months ago and that includes socks and panties. My man works full time and when he isnt working i am, we scrape by and struggle every month. It makes my blood boil to hear about this women.

JL - posted on 08/20/2009

Ok..warning no personal attacks please ladies.. Let's not attack eachother for the lives that any of us on here having this debate are leading. This debate is about a person in the media that none of us personally know so we are talking in tangents about what information is out there and our generalized opinions on the proposed subject manner.



Let's debate and realize we all have different opinions and we may get worked up and use strong definitive language but lets not personally direct that at one another.

DAWN - posted on 08/20/2009

Quoting Joy "the historian":

I find it very telling that in her two hour special she stated that she regrets the choices she made....she said she does not regret her kids because they are now here but she REGRETS her choices and that she did not think about the future or what was best for the kids she thought about the short term and what she wanted and now as she has stated she has screwed up their lives because of her choices...WOW..now that says a great deal about how selfish her actions were and how irresponsible her choices were.

If you want to put your business out their for everyone to see then expect the shit storm that comes with it..otherwise don't do reality tv shows and tabloid magazine interviews. I am made responsible choices in my life because I thought about my kids not my needs.

I have NEVER had plastic surgery, I don't get my nails done, I don't get expensive haircuts, and I don't buy myself designer clothes because I put what little extra money I have into college savings accounts for my kids. There is something to be said about being selfish and irresponsible when you choice to bring another life into this world.

I watched some of her two hour special...all I can say is yes she loves her kids but it was obvious that she is not able to take care of that many as they should be taken care. I don't have my 4 year old when she is told to go to time out repeatedly calling me a bitch or my son hitting his siblings. I watch all those other reality shows with multiple kids and their kids are well behaved...hers are not and she is obviously overwhelmed and as she stated she now REGRETS her irresponisible decision to have that many kids on her own without the financial, mental, or emotional ability to deal with that many kids.

As some point this ridiculous abuse of IVF has to be stopped. There are too many families who cannot have children who scrape together the money to get this done because they want to bring a life into this world a life which they have prepared for while their are women like Octo mom who are not preparing or thinking about the future they are just thinking about some selfish need to fill up a hole they have because they are having some emotional issues..which she has blatantly said she has.

She has also stated that she has purposely kept the father out of the picture and doesn't want him to contribute in anyway because she wants to be a single mom while one of the guys who thinks he maybe the father wants to know because he wants to help out and have a relationship with them.....so these kids don't even get to know their father.

one of her children is autistic and another has ADHD so I think behavioral problems would be considerd normal for a family dealing with what they are dealing with.

DAWN - posted on 08/20/2009

Quoting Sharon:

No on welfare or not - people should have more integrity than to spend money for hair extensions and fake nails when they are telling the government " I don't have money for food, please feed me and my 5 kids but excuse me while I pay $$$ for my hair and nails today!" Thats asinine!

I don't hate anyone for scamming the system - they just earn my deep and intense disgust. Richest country my arse! We're the richest country because I've been busting my arse since I was 13 earning money by babysitting and signing up for any course that helped me learn more about kids and going to work when I was 15 so I didn't have to ask my parents for an allowance. I've been paying taxes since then. And I sure as hell didn't pay those taxes so lazy people could get their hair done.

I paid them without question so that children in foster homes could get care, so children born to less than great circumstances could get the help they need, I paid them so that homeless and mentally ill people could get what they need, I paid them in case some day I needed the help, I paid them and paid them and paid them and didn't complain, until I met people like you who think they're entitled to things because why???

(edited to soften language)

Hmm, looks like a personal attack to me.......

DAWN - posted on 08/20/2009

Quoting Sharon:

No on welfare or not - people should have more integrity than to spend money for hair extensions and fake nails when they are telling the government " I don't have money for food, please feed me and my 5 kids but excuse me while I pay $$$ for my hair and nails today!" Thats asinine!

I don't hate anyone for scamming the system - they just earn my deep and intense disgust. Richest country my arse! We're the richest country because I've been busting my arse since I was 13 earning money by babysitting and signing up for any course that helped me learn more about kids and going to work when I was 15 so I didn't have to ask my parents for an allowance. I've been paying taxes since then. And I sure as hell didn't pay those taxes so lazy people could get their hair done.

I paid them without question so that children in foster homes could get care, so children born to less than great circumstances could get the help they need, I paid them so that homeless and mentally ill people could get what they need, I paid them in case some day I needed the help, I paid them and paid them and paid them and didn't complain, until I met people like you who think they're entitled to things because why???

(edited to soften language)

Hmm, looks like a personal attack to me.......

JL - posted on 08/20/2009

I don't follow that thinking sorry....seeing how I would NEVER EVER make the irresponsible choices she made, I would not keep the father out of my children's lives just because I don't want a man around, I would never get plastic surgery over using the money for my kids, I would never go on reality tv. I respect myself and I am teaching my kids to respect themselvse as well and make the right choices.



Not that I expect them to be perfect or that I am perfect but you would think after the sixth kid she would have stopped and really thought things through but as she pointed out she did not . The thing is her decisions were not about what was best for her kids they were about what was best for her emotional needs. We are not talking about messy houses, piled up laundry, or yelling at your kids. We are talking about someone with admitted emotional issues continuely having kid after kid through IVF a very expensive procedure because she said she needed to fill her emotiomal issues about being loved...Ummm..that is what many teenage girls say when they decide to get pregnant and we call that being immature and say they are making a irresponsible decisions.



I don't really have any big issues with people having a crap load of kids but I do have issues with someone who has known emotional issues having kids because she wants to fill a need to be loved by someone. I gave her the benefit of the doubt and I listened to her speak and she basically came off as someone who was addicted in a negative way to having kids. I say negative because for her it was not all about bringing children in this world to love but bringing kids into the world to love her. And now that she has had lots of therapy she even realizes is this but now it is too late all those kids are now on this Earth and they should be taken care of but that does not mean we should not discuss the irresponsiblity of what she did so that people will realize they need to think before they choose to have multiples through invitro.

Veronica - posted on 08/20/2009

Did you know (and im guilty of it too) that what you think and feel about others - is a reflexion of what you think and feel about yourself?

JL - posted on 08/20/2009

And I am not in anyway against government assistance.. I myself have used it but I do have a problem with delusional, self absored, irresponsible people having multiple children to fill their emotional need to be loved.

JL - posted on 08/20/2009

I find it very telling that in her two hour special she stated that she regrets the choices she made....she said she does not regret her kids because they are now here but she REGRETS her choices and that she did not think about the future or what was best for the kids she thought about the short term and what she wanted and now as she has stated she has screwed up their lives because of her choices...WOW..now that says a great deal about how selfish her actions were and how irresponsible her choices were.



If you want to put your business out their for everyone to see then expect the shit storm that comes with it..otherwise don't do reality tv shows and tabloid magazine interviews. I am made responsible choices in my life because I thought about my kids not my needs.



I have NEVER had plastic surgery, I don't get my nails done, I don't get expensive haircuts, and I don't buy myself designer clothes because I put what little extra money I have into college savings accounts for my kids. There is something to be said about being selfish and irresponsible when you choice to bring another life into this world.



I watched some of her two hour special...all I can say is yes she loves her kids but it was obvious that she is not able to take care of that many as they should be taken care. I don't have my 4 year old when she is told to go to time out repeatedly calling me a bitch or my son hitting his siblings. I watch all those other reality shows with multiple kids and their kids are well behaved...hers are not and she is obviously overwhelmed and as she stated she now REGRETS her irresponisible decision to have that many kids on her own without the financial, mental, or emotional ability to deal with that many kids.



As some point this ridiculous abuse of IVF has to be stopped. There are too many families who cannot have children who scrape together the money to get this done because they want to bring a life into this world a life which they have prepared for while their are women like Octo mom who are not preparing or thinking about the future they are just thinking about some selfish need to fill up a hole they have because they are having some emotional issues..which she has blatantly said she has.



She has also stated that she has purposely kept the father out of the picture and doesn't want him to contribute in anyway because she wants to be a single mom while one of the guys who thinks he maybe the father wants to know because he wants to help out and have a relationship with them.....so these kids don't even get to know their father.

Veronica - posted on 08/20/2009

To all the haters on this forum - I want you to tell me one thing you did in your life that should award you the selfish, deluded, disgusting, irresponsible, greedy, whorish, acinine, etc. etc. title. Come on now - admit to us something that you have done that was really horrible. Ok? What is it that you have done in your life that was so horrible - that you should also be givin the same title to -- me? Ive stolen money from my parents in my life as a teenager, i gossip, i cuss and swear, ive screamed at my kids a few times, ive talked about people behind their backs, ive cursed at my own Lord, ive put my kids to bed with a bottle, ive had more than once had a seriously trashed and messy house, ive let my dishes and laundry sit longer than a few days, ive splurged money foolishly, etc etc etc -- ive hated people, have had unforgiveness for others -- and the list goes on.



Im asking you this question because those of you who are perfect angels, and never have and never did anything wrong in your entire life can stand up and throw all teh stones you want at octo mom, me and several other women on these forums. Come on now -- start throwin the stones

Veronica - posted on 08/20/2009

Thank you Evelyn!

Veronica - posted on 08/20/2009

I didnt say anything about entitlement. And i dont get extensions or my nails done either. I get a damn hair cut -- unless you can cut your own, or have a family member hair stylist - you have to get your hair cut by a professional.



Being on welfare does not mean that you cannot do anything or have anything. Because what will happen next , Sharon - is they will stick that scope of theirs farther up our asses to moniter every damn penny we spend - which they almost do anyways. Its not an entire free ride. A few hundred dollars more and we are kicked off of the governments help. A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS -- food and medical bills and expenses cost more than a few hundred dollars. My husband gets his next raise next month. A quarter raise -- which is better than nothing, and im grateful. but that quarter raise means we are off government help. A quarter an hour is really going to replace our benefits - HAHAHAHAHA You have no idea what you are talking about anyways when it comes to welfare. And yes, it is sickening that the government only helps where there are elderly involved or children when it comes to welfare (and those on disa. and ssi).



Im sickened -- my friends lost their jobs and because they dont have dependants they couldnt get foodstamps, energy assistance or medical coverage. He said he might as well go get someone knocked up to get it. How bad is that?



Bottom line, I am greatful for what we have. It can be gone in a heartbeat. Im just sick of others downing us who are on the system. And in case you didnt read correctly - my husband works - so the taxes he pays in, is basically coming back in our pocket -- he works 50 hours a week - and still cant cut it - so its not like we are just sitting on our asses. I dont have a job because im a stay at home mom with 5 kids - if i get a job it would pay for my gas and daycare - what would be the point of that? So, currently I began my own business - soon we will no longer need the services of welfare anymore. And I will be proudly paying in my taxes knowing it will help another family, perhaps like my own.

Evelyn - posted on 08/20/2009

Dawn, Allison and Veronica....thank GOD for you ladies. I was really starting to lose hope in this group after hearing all of the hateful, disgusting comments in here by people I had previously thought had more love and compassion than that. You ladies literally took the words out of my mouth. People should leave this woman alone. No your tax dollars are NOT paying for her kids. Ok, so maybe 1/1,000,000th of a cent might be going towards the hospital bills. Seriously? What if someone came into your home and told you what you could and could not do with your life and body? I mean really? You all sound so judgemental and hateful. It really is quite sad. This woman loves her children, this is obvious, they are well taken care of and she is providing for them. So what if it is through a TV show? If Jon and Kate or the Duggars or Table for 12 or whoever can do it, why can't she? There are many ways to make a living and this is the path she has chosen. There is someone appointed to make sure the children are not being exploited, their money will be saved for them...I mean what more do you want?? Leave the woman be and live your own lives. Geesh.

Sharon - posted on 08/20/2009

No on welfare or not - people should have more integrity than to spend money for hair extensions and fake nails when they are telling the government " I don't have money for food, please feed me and my 5 kids but excuse me while I pay $$$ for my hair and nails today!" Thats asinine!



I don't hate anyone for scamming the system - they just earn my deep and intense disgust. Richest country my arse! We're the richest country because I've been busting my arse since I was 13 earning money by babysitting and signing up for any course that helped me learn more about kids and going to work when I was 15 so I didn't have to ask my parents for an allowance. I've been paying taxes since then. And I sure as hell didn't pay those taxes so lazy people could get their hair done.



I paid them without question so that children in foster homes could get care, so children born to less than great circumstances could get the help they need, I paid them so that homeless and mentally ill people could get what they need, I paid them in case some day I needed the help, I paid them and paid them and paid them and didn't complain, until I met people like you who think they're entitled to things because why???



(edited to soften language)

Veronica - posted on 08/20/2009

Well maybe that is how it is where you live, and maybe CA is different too. But i know here, the only thing they count us on is our income (which does not include cash gifts or whatever) and household size. Then they deduct our bills. (house and utility costs) Buying clothes and getting my hair done are necessities just like buying clothes and getting my kids' hair done. That is not frauding the system - thank you very much.



Im not selfish either - and MY/OUR tax money goes for us, and others too -- im not bitching - and when i wasnt on welfare i didnt bitch either. The sickest thing about the USA is we have so many homeless people out there -- and we are supposed to be one of the richest countries? we have more people on low income and welfare then ever before -- and again we are supposed to be one of the richest countries ---- so don't hate any of us out here who are trying to make it --- Take it up with the government - not us.

Sharon - posted on 08/20/2009

lol so you're really ok with scamming the government so an individual can live high on the hog?



Um yeah I know where her money came from because she told the world in an interview that she was collecting social security for her two handicapped children, foodstamps and other welfare aid.



She lied about having and not having a job at various times. We'll never know the truth because California lawmakers decided to give themselves raises instead doing their jobs.



And yeah it does matter! Any money received as a gift goes towards your income.



IF you are on welfare, getting cash assistance from any one, any where, then you are breaking the law if you don't report it. And yeah you're playing the system while the rest of us get screwed.

Veronica - posted on 08/20/2009

You dont know if your taxes were used or not. Secondly - - welfare excludes assets now - so she could have sold a vehicle or she may have a huge savings that she may have used for her surgeries/invetro -- so again - its none of our business. And im almost entirely sure - if she got invetro - while on welfare - they would have had that investigated - cause they can. So - the way it seems is somehow one way or another - the money she used has nothing to do with anything - and whereever it came from apparently did not affect her welfare. Matter of fact, shame on welfare for not helping her with housing. Maybe the guy behind the scenes paid for it all - who the hell knows. So once again - its none of our business. Im on welfare, i get my hair done, buy clothes and shoes. And i have spent money on foolish things. Does that mean im playing the system? does that mean my kids suffer? NO and NO.

Sharon - posted on 08/20/2009

Um yeah its our business because our tax dollars paid for her new lips/nose and what all else she had done.



Did you not read she is/was on WELFARE & food stamps at the time of the 8 embryo insemination?



I don't care what a woman does to her body, but those IVF treatments weren't cheap. There is no way she should have been able to afford IVF and cosmetic surgery on welfare and foodstamps.

Veronica - posted on 08/20/2009

OH one more thing - as for whether or not she had plastic surgery done is no ones business either. You get your hair and nails done dont you? I know women who shop til they DONKEY drop, and blow money on expensive name brand stuff, and go out left and right to sit at a bar all hours of the night. And dont tell me there isnt anyone who hasnt gotten their boobs done, or a nip and tuck here - who have kids, that could of invested all that money for all those things to their kids' future instead. That isnt looked down upon - because "that's what woman do" right? I know more selfish people than that. I take care of myself. Twice a year i get a cut/color. And every here and there i get clothes and shoes for myself. BUT - our kids' needs/wants are taken care of first. And on the other hand there is spontanious stuff too. So to me - who cares that she got her face done - that's none of our business either. Give it up already. I think this post is done now.

Veronica - posted on 08/20/2009

Im with Dawn and Alison on this one. First of all, who are we to judge and snide at ANYONE for having kids, or for having a bazillion for that matter. Didn't the Good Lord say, "Be Fruitful". What right does anyone have to judge and persecute and condem others when you have no idea what God's will is for these children and the mother? I have 5 kids, and we want more children - yes we are on welfare, and no I dont think we are selfish or whatever - my husband works, and Ive started my own business. Our goal is to be off of welfare - to fully provide for the children that we have. We haven't been on welfare the whole time either - on and off we go depending mainly on the economy. Gas goes up and down, electric has gone up, life happens people! So are you going to hate me too for having so many kids?

I come from a family of five kids - my gparents had 10 kids - they got harrassed the same as you are doing now about having so many kids - but guess what? All of them were taken care of, they are all upstanding individuals, very smart - and the most important thing about our family is our love for one another - everyone helps and takes care of everyone. My grandpa told me once: Find a man with God in his life. Nothing is more important. Money is not important. He said that he is one of the richest men because he has 10 golden nuggets - his kids - and that is all he needs. When we needed food and clothing, or help with bills, my family was there to loan or give us what we needed. And there are a lot of good samaritans in the world that came and helped us too. They sent food and clothing, and once a new wash machine. Those people are the people I strive to be in my life -- I don't want to be like a lot of women on here, and be heartless. If anyone is selfish its you - for judging others, instead of giving of yourself and helping.

I dont agree with invetro - to me its unnatural - but again - I dont know what God's will is, and therefore I choose NOT to judge this woman.

It is no one's business how many children someone has, and its none of your business about whether they are taken care of or not. Let me ask you this, besides taxes - have you lent a helping hand to octomom? Did you donate some clothing or food to her to help with her children? If there are trust funds - why not donate some money to the kids for their future?

What is up with all the haters in here anyways -- quit DONKEY listening to others, get a brain yourselves, and stop the hate. For all 8 of those babies to take and survive and be here on earth is a miracle in itself.



I said my peace.

Michelle - posted on 08/20/2009

I dont know what the story is here. Who is octomom?

Cara - posted on 08/20/2009

Biglipped idiot.

DAWN - posted on 08/19/2009

Quoting Samantha:

I seriously think she is disgusting and should not be allowed to have her children. She purposely had 8 embryos implanted into her and "didn't think all eight would take"

First off who implants 8 embryos into a single mother who already has 6 kids?? I mean come on she was always on welfare and already couldn't take care of her 6 children that she already had. She lived with her mom and 6 children in a house that was in default and was going to be taken away. After she has the children she says that she regrets having so many. I mean what did you expect??

She just wanted attention and now has it. I despise her and everything that she is.

On another note. I like the duggers. It just shows that there are people in this world that still have happy helping families that care not only about themselves but other people too. The are so happy and friendly all of the time.

she only had 6 embryos implanted

DAWN - posted on 08/19/2009

Well....I like her and I think people should lay off her. She had the invitro done again because she had 6 embryos left over from the last invitro and did not want to waste them. In Nadya's eyes tossing the embryos away is like an abortion which she does not believe in. So what if she wants a T.V. show. Jon and Kate have one, the duggers have one and now that family with all the red heads has one. It is a way for her to provide for her children and give them what they would not have otherwise been able to have.

Her mother is a meddling bitch that needs to back far away and mind her own business. I actually watched a two hour documentary about her tonight and was impressed at how tidy her home was and how involved she was with the children. Her children have what they need. they have a roof over their heads, food in their tummies and toys to play with.

People should just mind their own business and if they do not agree with her having a show maybe they shouldn't watch it. She will get paid based on the number of viewers that tune in so if you don't want her to make a dime off of it than don't watch plain and simple.

Jeannette - posted on 08/14/2009

i meant mentally on the second emotionally

Jeannette - posted on 08/14/2009

Octomom is disgusting, irresponsible, insane, to say the least.

The Duggars are healthy, happy, all about family support, doing good deeds, and contributing to society. They have 18 kids, and their kids seem emotionally, physically and emotionally better balanced compared to over 18 of one to two child homes I can think of!

Savannah - posted on 08/14/2009

I think she needs counselling and the doctor needs to lose his license. He is just as irresponsible as she is.

Savannah - posted on 08/14/2009

haha. My computer went down and I finally got a chance to read responses. I'm glad that I'm not the only person who thinks

(puke)

that she is an f-in loser.

Those poor kids.

I won't be watching her stupid freakin show. I just want to throttle her. Make her lips "naturally swell" just a little more by socking her in the mouth.

Okay, now I'm just being mean...

Sorry.

(sorta)

Sharon - posted on 08/13/2009

Well I agree - people can't spawn whole litters will-he-nill-he, but lets face it there are very few who believe as the duggers.



And octobitch - a whole nother can of crazy. She isn't sane. No sane person does what she does in her situation.

Charlie - posted on 08/13/2009

She has major issues .
I think she is selfish , and out of her mind . she needs help !!!
Sorry she is just simply a MORON !!

Jenny - posted on 08/13/2009

I do, I think it's irresponsible to have litters of children. What possible reason is there for having more than say 6 children (just to throw a number out there)? Our planet cannot sustain unchecked human population growth and mother nature WILL find a way to thin out the herd. It is extra bad in a single parent on welfare situation though for sure. Those kids are going to missing out on alot in life, like regular one on one parent time for one thing. I'm betting deep psychological problems with these kids down the road. I refuse to support any of these reality shows.