Off to Vaccinate my 1 year old!

Tara - posted on 12/06/2010 ( 272 moms have responded )

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I'm off to the doctor who I've had for the last 23 years of my life. He is going to vaccinate my baby for the 4th time in his little one year old life.
I also vaccinated my other 5 kids too.
I have a fellow homeschooler who does not vaccinate any of her children and thinks I am ignorant to do so myself. HA.
So for those who don't vaccinate which reason would you find acceptable for us who do when you ask us why on earth we would let a doctor inject a foreign substance into our child's bodies.

I usually just look at them and say "Well I vaccinate because I know it works to prevent otherwise very dangerous life threatening diseases and I don't want my kids to die from something I could have prevented."
Why isn't that good enough?

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Sara - posted on 12/06/2010

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The thing about the vaccination debate is that people who chose not to vax their children often say that it is their personal choice to opt out. How can you call it a personal choice when that choice can have a detrimental impact on someone outside of your own family? Is getting drunk then getting behind the wheel of a car a personal choice?

Sharon - posted on 12/06/2010

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I vaccinate.

As military we've traveled to third world countries. We saw first hand and read first hand the devastating effects disease has on the unvaccinated. Even those who were vaccinated but not educated become disease carriers. To many of them believe that if they SHARE a single vaccine dose they can protect many members of their family.

NOW those people are walking around, utterly clueless shedding disease everywhere they go.

NOW they've got themselves a bright shiny ticket to the US to visit their child is attending University thanks to some Christian organisation who has sponsered their bright child, on the plane with its unfiltered air, they're shedding disease, in the airport as they stand next to the grandmother who hasn't had a booster in 50 years, who has traveled to see her great grand babies. Grandma comes down with a cough, the greatgrandbabies come down with a fever, grandma gets back on the plane to fly home, still shedding disease, babies go to the hospital and die and grandma says "well at least they got to see me once." YAY!!!!

THEN there is still the original disease vector touring all the local sites shedding disease. YAY!!!!

Shingles... not deadly but not nice either. Anyone who has had chickenpox can get the nasty painful and contagious SHINGLES. yeah its not deadly but doesn't it just fucking suck that your ass can be struck at any given moment by a gross looking debilitating disease? YAY!!! NOW - you've got shingles, every time you have an outbreak you have to go into quarantine. Kinda hard to hold a job if you're one of the unlucky ones who gets struck on a routine basis by this wonderful disease that just keeps on giving.

So, lets cut you some slack and assume you have no idea that the painful rash you have is contagious shingles, you hop on a plane to go to business meeting (yeah we're gonna give you an education too) EVERYWHERE you go you're shedding the chickenpox virus. That infant who squalled the entire 4 hour flight - well you've got your revenge, he's about to come down with chickenpox. Probably not deadly but now you've just given him his russian roullete potential for shingles too! YAY!

There is absolutely NO DOUBT that vaccines protect and do their job.

There is however TONS of doubt about how your child will fare later in life if they should come down with one of these diseases.

Some are nearly always fatal if caught later in life, some may leave your child sterile (you didn't want grandkids right? or want your child to experience the same thrill of parenthood you had)

Kate CP - posted on 12/06/2010

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Okay, let's assume we don't vaccinate but eat right and exercise to prevent disease. Your child is exposed to, let's say...whooping cough. This disease is coming back with a vengeance and because people aren't vaccinating or updating their boosters as adults it's mutating, too. So your kid who's never been vaccinated for it, thus his immune system doesn't have the markers to create the antibodies for it to fight it off, is exposed to the disease and he will more than likely contract it. Let's assume your kid is about 5 months old (I honestly have no idea how old or what sex your child is, this is just a general "you/your" here) and is otherwise healthy. According to the Mayo clinic:

In infants — especially those under 6 months of age — complications from whooping cough are more severe and may include:

Ear infections
Pneumonia
Slowed or stopped breathing
Dehydration
Seizures
Brain damage
Because infants and toddlers are at greatest risk of complications from whooping cough, they're more likely to need treatment in a hospital. Complications can be life-threatening for infants less than 6 months old.

Any child can contract whooping cough at any age. It is more dangerous to the very young, the very old, and those with breathing disorders or compromised immune systems...like me.

Eating a healthy diet and staying healthy DOES NOT boost an immune system. It will help it function to it's fullest, but don't think for one second you're adding neutrophils and t-cells because your kid ate broccoli. That's a bunch of crap.

~Jennifer - posted on 12/06/2010

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Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.



In the metric system, a microgram is a unit of mass equal to 1/1,000,000 of a gram (1 × 10–6), or 1/1000 of a milligram. It is one of the smallest units of mass (or weight) commonly used.



Sand is anything in size from 0.06 to 1.68mm so assuming a diameter of 0.3mm (which is roughly in the middle of the range) and assuming its quartz (which a lot of sand is) then the grain would weigh 0.0000375g.



so....we're talking about an amount that is = to or less than the weight of a grain of sand...



No offense, but the air we breathe is more toxic.

Sharon - posted on 12/07/2010

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Janessa - this is one of the most ignorant posts i've read in a long time.

I am more against vaccinating because of many reason why I am. I tried as long as i could hold not to vaccinate my son. He was14 months when he got his first one now he is 18 months still haven't got back to vaccinating him. He only had 1 ear infection on one ear. I came from Haiti i survived and i had marlia in haiti and i am still here. Maybe because other reason is that kids are to young to get all those needles so close and i remember i got a fever after getting one of those shots just image a child :(

1. malaria is a parasite

2. A fever? A FEVER?? Really? A fever is such a horrible thing compared to paralyzed chest muscles and suffocation during coughing fits?

Remember what I said about 3rd world countries and what they believe about vaccinations? HERE'S YOUR PROOF.

And your doctor from south africa who didn't vaccinate her kids.. FANTASTIC!!! So she brought he disease bearing kids to another country!

MORE PROOF of what I said about the unvaccinated traveling from country to country spreading death & disease everywhere they go.

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Brandi - posted on 03/16/2011

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funny, I encourage EVERYONE HERE TO GO AND check out that post to see who is right and wrong here. I am done with you, you have no say so in my personal life. BUT don't ever post something about me unless you have the facts laid out in front of you... which you don't.

Brandi - posted on 03/16/2011

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AND THE POSTS ABOUT RELIGION ARE STILL THERE, THEY DID NOT VANISH BEFORE YOUR EYES, WHY LIE???

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Amy Kruse - posted 5 days ago
See, that's what I mean, brandi! When you see problems, it makes you go the other way. I had cousins' kids and my nephew that had all kinds of problems and were cut, so it just pushed me more towards leaving mine alone. Because if infection was supposed to be basically nil with a cut one, but cut ones still had problems..was it worth it? I think it's just roll of the dice on infections. I really do

that was the post AFTER MINE.

I did do my boys for the purpose of my cousin AND my religion. I don't need you to verify my reasoning when I KNOW!

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lol so what if it was from 5 days ago, i remember YOU saying your family does it for RELIGIOUS reasons and its traditional. but those posts mysteriously vanished right before my eyes.

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lol so what if it was from 5 days ago, i remember YOU saying your family does it for RELIGIOUS reasons and its traditional. but those posts mysteriously vanished right before my eyes.

Brandi - posted on 03/16/2011

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i didn't fucking change it! That post has been that way for 5 days!! Don't tell me what goes on in my family unless you actually KNOW!

Brandi - posted on 03/16/2011

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I did the homework for you..... here ya go

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I don't care if my children "look" like their dad or not. To me, the benefit out weighed the bad. I was educated on what to expect, what it was, and how to take care of it. I had no problems, my children had no problems. BUT, there are boys in my family who did not have it done and constantly had problems, and ended up getting it later on. Watching that, my decision, AS the Parent, was to do it. My children may have been in a little pain as a baby, but they will never remember it, but my cousins son is scared for life. I think I made the right decision.

Brandi - posted on 03/16/2011

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UGH I NEVER SAID THAT. GO BACK TO THE POST. GO BACK TO WHERE I SAID MY COUSIN HAD TO HAVE IT DONE, GO BACK!!!

Brandi - posted on 03/16/2011

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what do you mean my family has been doing as far back as I know?? When did I ever say that?

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What was your cousins problem brandi? i find this hard to believe that he was going to die if he wasnt circumcised. Especially since your family has been doing it since as far back as you know.

Kate CP - posted on 03/16/2011

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There are many condition where the treatment is circumcision. However, as far as I am aware, none of them are life-threatening.

Brandi - posted on 03/16/2011

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that was not the case of my cousin, but thank you for posting. My cousin's problem was not infections. BUT, I am not going to post here anymore. To me, it is the same difference.

Kate CP - posted on 03/16/2011

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There is no life threatening condition that the only treatment is circumcision. If a man or boy is getting repeat infections because they are intact then they typically have to wait for the said infection to pass BEFORE surgery. Thus, the circumcision is to PREVENT future infections and not stop a current infection.

Again. There is no life threatening condition that requires circumcision as a cure. Therefor no one would DIE from being left intact.

Brandi - posted on 03/16/2011

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oh really, Laura? Tell that to my cousin who's son HAD to get circumcised at 8 years old. AND to another lady who commented on the circumcision post who's father HAD to get circumcised in his forties. Just saying. Those people had to do it... but like I said I am not arguing this. If they wouldn't have had it done, there is a possibility that they COULD have died. They didn't because they did get circumcised.

It was a comparison because as of right now, parent's have the choice to do BOTH of these things... circumcision and vaccinations. Children die from both. Maybe no one has died from not getting circumcised because to fix that issue they just end up getting circumcised.

Isobel - posted on 03/15/2011

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I would argue that STILL nobody has EVER died because they were left in tact. The comparison WAS ludicrous

Brandi - posted on 03/15/2011

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my kids are vaccinated. I think it is the best option. AND, I think you are right, Jodi. The diseases COULD come back worse. I think the good out weighs the bad. Still, there are unfortunate accidents. It is just something you kinda have to hold your breath and let out a sigh of relief when nothing goes wrong.

Jodi - posted on 03/15/2011

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More babies would die from disease than from being vaccinated IF these diseases were allowed to come back with the vengeance they used to have, which is a very real possibility with the number of people who seem to think like that.

Brandi - posted on 03/15/2011

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AND babies have died from bing vaccinated... I KNOW. It was an example for saying that either way, babies can and will die...

Brandi - posted on 03/15/2011

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ummm...LAURA, that is because they got circumcised. There are plenty of people who had to get circumcised later on, so NO not a stupid comparison. BUT, we won't get on to that on this thread.

Isobel - posted on 03/15/2011

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and NOBODY ever died from not being circumcised...that is possibly the most ridiculous comparison that I have EVER heard.

Brandi - posted on 03/15/2011

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wellllllll.... the way I see it, your child COULD die from a vaccine, or they COULD die from not getting a vaccine. I know a child that died by getting a vaccine. It was very unfortunate that this happened, the child was only 3 years old. My children are vaccinated. I think there is a greater risk for those children who are not vaccinated. BUT, I do believe it is a parent's right to make this decision. BUT, in Georgia, your children HAVE to be vaccinated to attend school.

This really could go either way, it is kinda like the circumcision thing to me.

Marisa - posted on 03/15/2011

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I vaccinate but on a different schedule. My pediatrician had no objection to waiting until around 3 for the MMR. Kids don't generally die from Measles or Mumps - Adults do, but not kids. And if I wait until later then she only gets one dose and will not need the booster. I gave my older son the regular schedule up front on time and he had some poor reactions. Now he has really bad allergies and asthma - maybe due to weakened immune who knows. So for ones that could cause death or like polio blindess/serious side affects I do, but not for lesser sickness. My doctor is pretty mainstream and does not do chickpox either. Children don't die from Chickenpox and the possible side affects of the vaccine can be worse than the disease so she won't administer unless you ask.

Corinne - posted on 12/09/2010

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Okay, I now have eye strain and a headache on the way! I am pro vax all the way and proud to be protecting not just my own family, but those around us.
Big hats off to those of you having test shots etc, so that you can still have your kids protected against as much as possible. That takes serious nuts. :)

Laressa - posted on 12/09/2010

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You are right Tracey, I'm aware that not nearly all vaccines keep you protected for a lifetime, I just figure that say whooping cough (pertussis) is important to give to my daughter even if it doesn't last more than 10 years or so, I hope that should she get it later in life her lungs would be stronger and able to handle it. There's been quite an epidemic of whooping cough going around in Canada here especially among the unvaccinated people. That's when I rushed off to get my daughters immunizations up to date as I was a few months behind.


Even if vaccines are not 100 percent effective ( they will never say it protects 100 percent) hopefully the illness is milder than would be otherwise

Nikki - posted on 12/09/2010

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A debate is an argument, basically. Differing arguments to debate an issue. People get it confused because you always think of arguments as being a fight. In scholarly terms when you are putting your point of view across about a particular subject you are providing an argument.

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I always thought they weren't the same thing .Meh i was wrong " Debate is a broader form of argument "

Although i still think argument depicts nagativity where as debate doesn't.

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EXACTLY! If you don't like how the debate is going, MOVE ON! I think there is FAR TOO MUCH bitching and whining going on lately.

Stifler's - posted on 12/08/2010

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This is why the debate is getting stupid though. Because people keep whining about personal attacks instead of debating the topic at hand and ignoring people who post a supposedly rude post.

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Pretty much......if you're debating aren't you arguing or attacking the other persons opinion? Call it whatever you want, as long as there's no name calling or personal attacks against someone character, the it's all the same shit. In my humble opinion, of course!

Bonnie - posted on 12/08/2010

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I see nothing wrong with gaining insight on a topic without wanting to pull people's hairs out.

Jodi - posted on 12/08/2010

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Shauna, debates also are not necessarily about changing people's minds anyway. Sometimes it may and sometimes it won't, but what it does do is opens up the discussion, and also teaches us to be more tolerant of a variety of other views and gives ALL of us greater understanding.

Honestly, if you think it's a silly debate, piss off. No skin off my nose, and obviously none off yours either!! I don't understand why you bother if you think it is so silly.

Nikki - posted on 12/08/2010

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You can't know that Shanua, I have changed my mind in debates before, this debate may not change somebodies mind but there is also a chance that it might. We are all giving our input, our views and our choices for others to read and contemplate. There really is no need to pull the personal attack card, it's all been very polite really, you should see some other debates!

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Shauna, no one is attacking anyone. Offering your opinion, even when it differs from someone elses, is NOT a personal attack. No one attacked you. We were simply disputing the fact that this debate is pointless. You think it is, I don't! Let's debate!

Kate CP - posted on 12/08/2010

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I don't understand why you continue to debate a topic if you think it's pointless?

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