Off to Vaccinate my 1 year old!

Tara - posted on 12/06/2010 ( 272 moms have responded )

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I'm off to the doctor who I've had for the last 23 years of my life. He is going to vaccinate my baby for the 4th time in his little one year old life.
I also vaccinated my other 5 kids too.
I have a fellow homeschooler who does not vaccinate any of her children and thinks I am ignorant to do so myself. HA.
So for those who don't vaccinate which reason would you find acceptable for us who do when you ask us why on earth we would let a doctor inject a foreign substance into our child's bodies.

I usually just look at them and say "Well I vaccinate because I know it works to prevent otherwise very dangerous life threatening diseases and I don't want my kids to die from something I could have prevented."
Why isn't that good enough?

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Bonnie - posted on 12/06/2010

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I agree Nikkole. I mean if it is something this serious, then they need to get more serious with it.

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"Those with baby boys, did you know Mumps can cause sterility?"

Oh I know this all too well, I had to stay away from my bf (now hubby) for nearly three weeks when I contracted Mumps at 19 yo, for some reason they missed my generations final booster for the MMR, that was so much fun and really hard I was in the throws of young love.

I vaccinate my kid because of all the reasons the other vax ladies have stated, he is almost up to date, we are behind on his first MMR because there is a queue at the surgery and so we've just got to wait for our invitation to go and get it (I rang them the other day because he is nearly 15 months old and should have had it at 13 months - I am keen to make sure he fully vaxed as soon as).

Knowing people who rely on those around them being vaccinated because they have compromised immune systems I find it incredibly selfish to not vaccinate our children, the diseases we vax against are deadly deseases and do kill people.

Nikkole - posted on 12/06/2010

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@Bonnie no its not everyoes reason i knew a girl who just didnt want to vaccinate her kids and she said she had a religion that was against it i think the schools should make it more difficult to let kids not be vaccinated like if its health reasons have test showing what they and religious have a preacher or someone like that sign something

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The only requirement is for the schools here are shot records and physicals only if they join sports. I can't say I have ever heard of the school wanting dental.

Bonnie - posted on 12/06/2010

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Just my opinion, but if it's true that there are ways around it, that's pretty sad. I mean if it's for religious reasons or health reasons that is one thing, but that can't be everyones reasoning for those who decide not to.

Lindsay - posted on 12/06/2010

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Yes, I think they do that everywhere as far as having to show vaccination records, dental screenings, physicals, and eye exams. But there's always a way around it. Parents are able to opt out by signing other paper work. And like Sharon said, it's typically claimed to be religious beliefs or medical reasons. I don't know how easy it it, but it can be done.

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Although we typically opt out of the flu vaccine each year, I am VERY PRO-VAX. Plus, I just dig the mob mentality and like being part huge movement to fight disease.

Bonnie - posted on 12/06/2010

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My son started Junior kindergarten this year. We had to make sure that his vaccines were up to date(which they already were because we have kept up with it) and the school asked for his immunization card and they photocopied it. I also remember the same thing from when I was in school; this is why I mentioned it.

Sherri - posted on 12/06/2010

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In NH all children must be vaccinated unless they can prove there is a religious reason (must be signed and notorized by the religious organization) or there is medical reason why they can not be vaccinated(which must be written by the doctor explaining the reason why they can not be vaccinated). In NH no parent can just choose not to vaccinate if they choose to send their children to public school. I have posted the actual law on past debates on this topic and really am being lazy as to not going to look it up again and post it again.

Sharon - posted on 12/06/2010

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Sadly Bonnie - some parents get to opt out due to 'religious beliefs' and some claim medical. I'm sure there are both that are honest in their claims and then there are those who read the BS online and opt out of protecting their children and others.

Nikkole - posted on 12/06/2010

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They do at the school i went to i mean i dont think you have to have flu shots every year but the major ones yea i remember my mom had to bring in shot records every year but it may have changed i guess ill find out next year when my son goes to preschool

Bonnie - posted on 12/06/2010

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I thought vaccinations are mandatory when attending schools. Your child's vaccinations have to be up to date for registration and they photocopy and keep record of it.

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I have vaccinated all of my kids, but I did hesitate with my youngest and considered delaying them till he was older. I have seen a lot of research on SIDS and the potential link to vaccines but I'm not sure where I stand on that yet. In the mean time he has gotten his shots and I do my best to protect my kids.

In my mind, the theoretical risks of vaccinations are way, way outweighed by the very real risks of contracting the diseases we vaccinate against.
Well said Becky

I have had shingles too, it really sucks!!!

Lindsay - posted on 12/06/2010

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Bonnie- Vaccinations aren't mandatory. All patients have a right to refusal from a doctor or procedure. The schedules for vaccinations are the recommendation.

And as far a schools, vaccinations are not required. I don't know for sure, but I think there is some type of form that parents sign stating that their kids are not vaccinated for whatever reason.

Sherri - posted on 12/06/2010

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We vaccinate all my children are 100% up to date on all vaccines and I would never consider not vaccinating.

Bonnie - posted on 12/06/2010

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I have been vaccinated and my kids have all they vaccines up to date so far.
Eat right, take vitamins. Yeah until it's too late. I take vitamins including vitamin C and i'm told that doing that along with eating right will help protect against even a common cold. Most of the time, that it doesn't even do. So why take a chance with more severe illnesses. I think some people are just naturally lucky, they rarely get sick, but I don't feel taking that chance is right. You never know when something can creep up and vaccines are there to help. This is why they are there; not just to hear and read about. In the end, those who choose not to vaccinate are only thinking about what they know/have heard. Then someday if their child picks up something they wonder how or why and makes things more difficult for others around them. Vaccines are around for a reason. If it wasn't necessary, there would be more not getting them than getting them.
Oh and how do these parents get by doctors when they take their children for checkups? I have always wondered that as certain vaccines are mandatory at certain times. And do parents just avoid sending their children to school? Are they all homeschooled?

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Ha ha ha hmmm... These are always fun.

I don't have the time or energy to really get into this one today, but I do feel that it is my obligation to step in and at least add my voice to weight the debate a bit more evenly.

I don't vaccinate my children. I am not anti-vaccine, but for my family I made the well-informed choice to not vaccinate. Like I said, I don't have time to go into all my reasons here, I have done so on many other debates. But, in regards to the OP, as a non-vaccinating mother what you said IS good enough for me. I know a lot of non-vax/anti-vax parents get defensive and accuse vax parents of making ignorant (or careless or harmful or whatever word you wish to substitute here) decisions ("why on earth we would let a doctor inject a foreign substance into our child's bodies?" etc), I can only presume that for some it is a knee-jerk reaction from having been accused of ignorance themselves, for others they are truly passionate about the information they have gained about the potential risks of vaccines and wish that all parents are equally informed. For me, I don't care what you choose in the vaccination department: on schedule, delayed schedule, incomplete schedule, partial schedule or no schedule; as long as you are well informed, confident in your decision and continue to seek out information that supports and challenges your decision.

Every parent has the right to make that decision for their family. Yes, it is a balance between weighing personal choice (I actually see it as weighing personal responsibility for my child/ren and family's health rather than a "personal choice") and communal responsibility. I think there are many situations in parenthood and indeed life where that same balance has to be weighed and risks vs benefits must be carefully considered, not just for you and your family but for larger society as well. Just because I have made a "personal choice" to not vaccinate doesn't mean I haven't considered the potential impact of that choice on others and taken the best possible steps I think I can to minimise risk for all involved.

Nikkole - posted on 12/06/2010

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We vaccinate our kids and i did myself when i was pregnant and now! We live with my parents and sisters right now and my sisters go to school and they can bring god knows what home so my mom makes them get there shots and my kids get theres and all the adults get them to! I want to protect my kids as much as i can and my kids Eat a great well balanced meal 3times a day and healthy snacks no sodas or kool aid but i dont think thats why they are hardly ever sick! And i dont believe that vaccines cause autism or any other things and when i was pregnant with my daughter i got the h1n1 flu shot and i was fine and so did my son he was 1 1/2 at the time maybe a little older but i cant understand why some parents dont want to vaccinate there kids when there is hardly any bad toxins in shots now a days and for god sakes if your kid puts money or dirt in his/her mouth there are more harmful toxins/bacteria on those things than in vaccines!!! I thought to be able to go to school that all kids had to have there vaccinations or thats how it is around me!

Charlie - posted on 12/06/2010

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I vaccinate .

I've seen the result of countries who lack vaccination , where people are on a waiting list amd HOPE not to die from a preventable disease in the meantime , it happens so often .

People often say "oh but they don't have clean water or food "

Well yes they do have clean water and plenty of food the difference is they don't have the funds to supply the vaccines , I don't wish this on anyone but I do wish the staunch anti vaxers could experience life with them and realize how easy they have it here because of vaccines .

Jessica - posted on 12/06/2010

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That video was to funny! You ladies have all said anything I could have and worded it much better and PC then I would have. Yes we vaccinate, only the best for my baby girl. :)

Krista - posted on 12/06/2010

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In my mind, the theoretical risks of vaccinations are way, way outweighed by the very real risks of contracting the diseases we vaccinate against.

Becky said it perfectly. Vaccines are proven to work. But much like our right to vote, we take them for granted and don't give them proper credit for the incredibly positive change they have made in our society.

I think the thing that irks me is that a lot of the anti-vaxxers are talking about how poisonous vaccines are. But by the same token, they are tacitly RELYING upon the rest of us to immunize our kids, so that their own kids are safe.

If every single parent in the world decided that they would no longer vaccinate their kids for anything, I can pretty much guaran-friggin-tee you that we would soon see major epidemics of diseases that were once rare or eradicated. Good diet and healthy living aren't going to do squat against whooping cough.

And Sharon, thank you for mentioning shingles. I have shingles. It is not fucking fun. I caught the chickenpox back in 1989, before the vaccine was available. Now, when I am tired, sick or stressed (and I'm the mother of a 15-month old, so how often do you think THAT happens?), my skin feels like it's been chemically burned for about a 2-week period, and I then break out in a very painful rash. And after the rash clears, I have stabbing pain at the rash site for about 6 months afterwards.

If I ever get an outbreak on my face, around my eyes, I could be blinded by it. When most women get a pimple on their forehead, they're annoyed. When I get one, I'm terrified, until I have completely ascertained that yes, it IS just a pimple.

My stepmom thought she was vaccinated for rubella. Her doctor mixed up the records. She wasn't. She got pregnant. She contracted rubella. My brother is deaf.

Vaccines have very real and tangible benefits. Do we really want to go back to the time before vaccines were invented? Do we really want to have to worry about our kids getting whooping cough and diphtheria and polio?

Barring a family history of allergic reactions, I see absolutely no good reason to not vaccinate.

Caitlin - posted on 12/06/2010

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The only vaccine my daughter can't get is the flu shot.. which sucks because she's at a high risk of complications of the flu, but whatever, we'll deal and try to keep her healthy during flu season. That means everyone in the family will be getting flu shots to protect her, even though we never really got them before, to protect her it's 100% worth it. Just like everyone in the family will get all the other vaccines, to protect any kid they go to school with that can't get vaccinated for XYZ reason. I don't think the risks outweigh the benefits and I have isses with moms that think they are protecting their kid by not vaccinating them.

Changing their diet? Wierd.. I dont' see why someone would purposefully restrict their childs diet.. Coming from someone who has a kid with food allergies who restricts their kids diet because she has no choice, it's no fun, and leads to issues and nutritional deficiencies (which we are now dealing with). But I guess if you do that you have the OPTION of slacking off and giving them a cheeseburger... *sigh* lucky..

Becky - posted on 12/06/2010

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Sharon and Amie pretty much explained perfectly why we vaccinate our kids. I grew up in a 3rd world country where vaccines were not readily available. My little sister's friend almost died of meningitis and it left her hearing impaired and slightly lower functioning. I have seen people rendered deaf and dumb as a result of measles. Those with baby boys, did you know Mumps can cause sterility? In my mind, the theoretical risks of vaccinations are way, way outweighed by the very real risks of contracting the diseases we vaccinate against.

Sharon - posted on 12/06/2010

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I vaccinate.

As military we've traveled to third world countries. We saw first hand and read first hand the devastating effects disease has on the unvaccinated. Even those who were vaccinated but not educated become disease carriers. To many of them believe that if they SHARE a single vaccine dose they can protect many members of their family.

NOW those people are walking around, utterly clueless shedding disease everywhere they go.

NOW they've got themselves a bright shiny ticket to the US to visit their child is attending University thanks to some Christian organisation who has sponsered their bright child, on the plane with its unfiltered air, they're shedding disease, in the airport as they stand next to the grandmother who hasn't had a booster in 50 years, who has traveled to see her great grand babies. Grandma comes down with a cough, the greatgrandbabies come down with a fever, grandma gets back on the plane to fly home, still shedding disease, babies go to the hospital and die and grandma says "well at least they got to see me once." YAY!!!!

THEN there is still the original disease vector touring all the local sites shedding disease. YAY!!!!

Shingles... not deadly but not nice either. Anyone who has had chickenpox can get the nasty painful and contagious SHINGLES. yeah its not deadly but doesn't it just fucking suck that your ass can be struck at any given moment by a gross looking debilitating disease? YAY!!! NOW - you've got shingles, every time you have an outbreak you have to go into quarantine. Kinda hard to hold a job if you're one of the unlucky ones who gets struck on a routine basis by this wonderful disease that just keeps on giving.

So, lets cut you some slack and assume you have no idea that the painful rash you have is contagious shingles, you hop on a plane to go to business meeting (yeah we're gonna give you an education too) EVERYWHERE you go you're shedding the chickenpox virus. That infant who squalled the entire 4 hour flight - well you've got your revenge, he's about to come down with chickenpox. Probably not deadly but now you've just given him his russian roullete potential for shingles too! YAY!

There is absolutely NO DOUBT that vaccines protect and do their job.

There is however TONS of doubt about how your child will fare later in life if they should come down with one of these diseases.

Some are nearly always fatal if caught later in life, some may leave your child sterile (you didn't want grandkids right? or want your child to experience the same thrill of parenthood you had)

Dana - posted on 12/06/2010

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Julianne, you seriously think that clip makes you look like a stuck up bitch who judges people for their own decisions? Where do you get all that from? Do you think that vaccinations cause autism and do you think that if other kids are vaccinated yours will not catch anything?

Lady Heather - posted on 12/06/2010

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If that video is insulting, maybe you need to check your sense of humour. I feed whole foods and cloth diaper and all that jazz, but my kid was also late developing her gross motor skills and I physically couldn't breastfeed and man oh man - I have met some ladies who have been all over me about that stuff. We've all met the mums like that I'm sure. If you haven't, maybe it's you. Ha.

Like this one mum at my library group - she's pro-everything 'good' and anti-everything 'bad' and 100% perfect in everything she does apparently. So we're going around making sure everyone got this book they were supposed to get at the hospital and she announces as loudly as possible "Oh no, I didn't get one because I had a home birth." She practically shouted it. Good for you lady. She was horrified that I was vaccinating. I don't really know why she would care. My kid isn't going to infect hers in all likelihood.

Jessica - posted on 12/06/2010

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"So i guess my homeopathic doctor and the health specialists i have personally talked to about this are less informative than this info you just copied pasted from the internet."

Well since you're the only one so far who is anti-vaccinating, I have a feeling you're only going to get to play defense because no one else agrees with you (lucky you! ;) ). So before this turns into a mob, I'm curious as to what kinds of things your doctors/health specialists have actually had to say on the issue? What ARE your (or other anti-vax parents you may know) reasons for choosing to forgo all vaccinations for your children? Especially in light of something like whooping cough which has come back so forcefully.

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"Most of the diseases that were killing masses of people at a time have been eradicated or at least controlled because of vaccines, not because people ate right. The more people opt out, we are going to start seeing these illness, such as whooping cough, come back with a vengeance."

AND they're mutating, Jackie. Whooping cough is coming back in areas as mini-epidemics and causing deaths. Some of the cases of pertussis are proving to be resistant to antibiotics which is a sign that the disease is changing and becoming more aggressive. It's not just because people aren't vaccinating their kids, but people aren't updating their own childhood vaccines as adults.

By the way, unless your vaccines are up to date while you're nursing your breast milk won't give them the antibodies to the diseases prevented by vaccines.

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....my info came from the internet, so I MUST be wrong.

I shall forthwith write to the CDC and FDA websites
(as well as the science journal from which I obtained the information regarding sand) and tell them that they are incorrect.
My apologies to you, oh Guru of disease prevention.

Jackie - posted on 12/06/2010

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Most of the diseases that were killing masses of people at a time have been eradicated or at least controlled because of vaccines, not because people ate right. The more people opt out, we are going to start seeing these illness, such as whooping cough, come back with a vengeance.

Kate CP - posted on 12/06/2010

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While you may not be a conspiracy theorist (and I don't think you are, Julianne) you have to admit that many of the anti-vaxxers ARE and seem to think that the government and vaccine companies are out to kill our kids and just make money. :/

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and jen....yea they have jobs to secure, i could say that for every doctor or health specialist as well who is pro vaccine.

Sara - posted on 12/06/2010

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So why would an overwhelming majority of physicians, the AMA, AAP, WHO, and the CDC highly recommend vaccines if they were as dangerous as some people feel they are?

Kate CP - posted on 12/06/2010

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The hepatitis vaccines are to protect babies who may need a blood transfusion.

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Wow...i disagree so I'm a conspiracy theorist...thats just fucking ridiculous...someone has a different way of thinking so the think the government is out to get them.....hang on while i get my tinfoil hat...i think major league baseball is reading my mind.......

Jessica - posted on 12/06/2010

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I will say first that this is a topic I've been meaning to do more research into. My basic feeling on the matter is that I am pro vaccines, at least some of them, and at least for my kids. I feel like many of the anti-vaccine claims are probably over rated and that people seem to forget that so, so many kids used to die from these diseases; now we take it for granted that we'll never have to worry about that. I also tend to see the "social responsibility" side of the argument as making sense- the only reason we don't have to worry about many of these diseases is because the mass majority of the population is vaccinated- as soon as more and more people are not vaccinating against something, guess what? It can come back.

My only potential concerns are giving babies too many at once. DS never had more than 3, maybe 4 at a time- and that was only once. He was always fine (other than the usual slight fever and crankiness) but it always makes me nervous thinking of the potential effects of shoving a large amount of chemicals at once into a little baby's system. So, I can understand parents who do delayed schedules, or skipping certain ones like chicken pox (which isn't life threatening), hep b at birth (because really, what are the chances, if you don't have it?) and the flu (doesn't guarantee protection against all strains; I have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu so I see no reason to start now).

But I can't say that I understand peoples' reasoning for not vaxing at all. To me it seems a little too over the top, unnecessary and potentially harmful.

Sara - posted on 12/06/2010

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I think the drunk driving analogy was a rather good point. If your unvaxed child can contract a disease then bring it into the community and then kill an infant or an elderly person, you don't think you should share any responsibility in a situation that could have been avoided with a vaccine?

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Okay, let's assume we don't vaccinate but eat right and exercise to prevent disease. Your child is exposed to, let's say...whooping cough. This disease is coming back with a vengeance and because people aren't vaccinating or updating their boosters as adults it's mutating, too. So your kid who's never been vaccinated for it, thus his immune system doesn't have the markers to create the antibodies for it to fight it off, is exposed to the disease and he will more than likely contract it. Let's assume your kid is about 5 months old (I honestly have no idea how old or what sex your child is, this is just a general "you/your" here) and is otherwise healthy. According to the Mayo clinic:

In infants — especially those under 6 months of age — complications from whooping cough are more severe and may include:

Ear infections
Pneumonia
Slowed or stopped breathing
Dehydration
Seizures
Brain damage
Because infants and toddlers are at greatest risk of complications from whooping cough, they're more likely to need treatment in a hospital. Complications can be life-threatening for infants less than 6 months old.

Any child can contract whooping cough at any age. It is more dangerous to the very young, the very old, and those with breathing disorders or compromised immune systems...like me.

Eating a healthy diet and staying healthy DOES NOT boost an immune system. It will help it function to it's fullest, but don't think for one second you're adding neutrophils and t-cells because your kid ate broccoli. That's a bunch of crap.

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That video is rather insulting actually. Makes people like me look like stuck up bitches who judge people for their decisions. Just because i don't vaccinate, breastfeed to natural duration, live green and organic, doesn't mean I'm going to try and make another mom feel inferior for her decisions. Like,,,i don't know compare decisions made as a mom trying to protect her children to something like drunk driving.

Jackie - posted on 12/06/2010

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Jenn - you are absolutely right! But according to Julianne (and I don't mean any offense to her or anyone else as Julianna and I have been round and round on this topic recently), If you don't feed your children sugar, processed food, meat or dairy it will build your immune system enough to fight these illnesses.

I don't agree. I also don't agree with people not vaccinating their children because we, as a community, depend on others around us to protect our little ones and those that cannot get vaccinated due to immune deficiencies.

I think that pros outweigh the cons. I also believe that the only way our bodies build immunities are to have antibodies in our system and to do that, you have to be somehow exposed to that particular illness.

I do not believe that doctors and chemists are just out to get $$ for pushing vaccines. i refuse to believe that doctors are in it for the money. I trust that they are well informed on the latest information regarding these types of things and they are looking out for mine and my children's best interests.

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Your homeopathic doctor and health specialists also have businesses to run and careers to secure, now don't they?



;)

Sara - posted on 12/06/2010

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And i guess there's a conspiracy by the AMA and AAP to poison children and inject them with harmful chemicals? Boy, that's a hell of a coordinated effort.

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So i guess my homeopathic doctor and the health specialists i have personally talked to about this are less informative than this info you just copied pasted from the internet.

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The thing about the vaccination debate is that people who chose not to vax their children often say that it is their personal choice to opt out. How can you call it a personal choice when that choice can have a detrimental impact on someone outside of your own family? Is getting drunk then getting behind the wheel of a car a personal choice?

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so....we're talking about an amount that is = to or less than the weight of a grain of sand...



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