Ogranic Food (Penn & Tellers )
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LaCi - posted on 07/12/2010
Issues I have with video:
1. I don't know anyone who eats organic because they think it tastes any different.
2. I don't know anyone who uses organic products because they think it's more nutritious.
3. The couple they showed is annoying and weird.
4. The Hudson group is a huge republican/conservative thinktank- and thats the expert they showed first, a wonderful expert on corporate lobbying.
5. The second expert works for reason magazine, a libertarian magazine. Why are they feeding us advice from political sources? It could have something to do with the affiliation they have with the CATO institute, which, although I don't have a problem with the cato institute it does dish out quite a bit of "science" that dismisses global warming.
1. the issue with hormones in milk is not that people are "getting bigger breasts" or "going through puberty sooner." The issue is the link between excess amounts of that particular hormone and CANCER. "Recently, Eli Lilly & Co., a manufacturer of rBGH, reported a ten-fold increase in IGF-1 levels in milk of cows receiving the hormone. IGF-1 is the same in humans and cows, and is not destroyed by pasteurization. In fact, the pasteurization process actually increases IGF-1 levels in milk... It is highly likely that IGF-1 promotes transformation of normal breast cells to breast cancers. In addition, IGF-1 maintains the malignancy of human breast cancer cells, including their invasiveness and ability to spread to distant organs. (Increased levels of IGF-1 have similarly been associated with colon and prostate cancers.) The prenatal and infant breast is particularly susceptible to hormonal influences. Such imprinting by IGF-1 may increase future breast cancer risks, and may also increase the sensitivity of the breast to subsequent unrelated risks such as mammography and the carcinogenic and estrogen-like effects of pesticide residues in food, particularly in pre-menopausal women." And the company that created this hormonal injection bullshit is monsanto, which is an evil toxic plague upon our planet anyway. However, most farmers have come to realize the cost of using the hormone, financially, isn't worth the small increase in production.
2. coffee actually prevents cancer, among many other things.
3. Farmers ARE allowed to use pesticides, as long as its a natural product. And no, its not SAFE when it's not organic. Even the government's websites discuss the RISKS of pesticides. "Laboratory studies show that pesticides can cause health problems, such as birth defects, nerve damage, cancer, and other effects that might occur over a long period of time. However, these effects depend on how toxic the pesticide is and how much of it is consumed. Some pesticides also pose unique health risks to children." We don't even research the long term health effects of the shit we're dumping on our food supply. Organic pesticides are naturally occurring and nontoxic to humans and animals. Seldom do you find an organic pesticide that has any level of toxicity, and those you DO find with some toxicity are not meant to be used on food, they are meant to protect decorative plants.
BAH! kids awake. I'll be back. But I did hear something about dirt before turning it off, and our modern pesticides are altering the chemical composition of our dirt, making it toxic. I'll be back with more on that
To summarize, you still have to look at penn and teller as entertainers, which is what they are. They admit they are biased and tend to show alternative viewpoints from complete loons to help further their point. What they aren't telling you is what their affiliations are and who is sponsoring their show. for instance: exxon mobile, and CATO
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Veronica - posted on 07/18/2010
this is only part of the big issue (with cancer and all/food) what about all the fricken sugar they are dumping in foods, and other chemicals and preservatives? Almost everything is 'enriched, fortified, bleached', high frutose corn syrup, corn syrup, aspartame - the list goes on! these things add to many health problems in the world, including obesity and diabetes.
The rise of adhd and add and autism - totally makes sense with the food -- parents eat, and what you eat and put into your body does go to your baby, already creating a toxic breeding ground for your unborn baby's body.
So much crap -- when the big money-makers took over farming and food - thats when things got screwed -- small farmers are being and having to shut down because they cant afford to farm anymore-- i watched it happen to my grandparents -- they barely made what they pushed out -- and this is what is wrong -- we can't get good and healthy food like we used to, because the big-guys found the money in it for themselves, and took over -- producing too large of crops, and in order to save money, hose them down with chemicals, and change the dairy and meat with hormones and crap to make it bigger and better -- and now look - our food source has become so unreliable.
ugh im starting to ramble - im just sick and tired of all this crap in the world these days -- cant even just live anymore, without people screwing with everything. My first chance i get, im getting my own farm, with my own meat, and make my own garden == go back to living like the old days - lol seriously though
Organic sounds nice if you can get it and if you can afford it. (I have a great local greengrocer.)
My "thing" is fair trade - I need to know that the people who grow the food (coffee, chocolate etc) are getting fair payment, and have not been taken over by some huge multinational corporation, such as Nestle.
Jenny - posted on 07/12/2010
Good points Laci. I have no speakers on my computer so can't watch the video but I'll post anyway lol.
People eat organic to avoid pesticides and genetically modifed foods, not to get more nutrition as Laci said. It doesn't take a scientific study to understand people eating chemicals can have a harmful effect on one's body over a long period of time. It just makes sense.
Lucy - posted on 07/12/2010
Hmm, watching that made me glad that we grow almost all our own fruit and veg. I'd rather not be lining the pockets of ANY massive corporation, organic or not.
It also made me grateful to live in the UK where all fruit and veg has to be labelled with where it came from and how it was shipped (air or sea) so you are making a slightly more informed decision.
When it comes to the technology developed to ensure everyone in the world can be fed, I think the intentions were always very noble but haven't really come to fruition. Let's face it, we still have serious famines every year in third world countries, and food mountains rotting in countries of plenty.
LaCi - posted on 07/12/2010
Theres a misconception in the first video about what it means to grow and eat organic food, and I have some issues with other information available here as well. I don't have time to finish but I will be back. I do love penn and teller though.
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