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Nikki - posted on 03/17/2011 ( 82 moms have responded )

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For those of you with babies and toddlers what do you do when you need to get petrol? Do you leave your baby in the car and rush in to pay? Or do you take them out of the car?

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Jenn - posted on 03/18/2011

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Sorry, but I don't live my life by the slim possibility of a what-if. What if someone hits my car? Should I not drive at all? What if someone shoots me in my sleep? Should I not sleep? What if while we're waiting at the cross-walk, someone nabs my child? Should I no longer walk? And for someone like me with 3 little kids, it takes a whole hell of a lot more than 20 seconds to take them all in with me to go pay and them buckle them all back in.

Johnny - posted on 03/19/2011

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All that cornfield story tells me is that paying at the pump could get me carjacked while my kid is still in the car. I choose to pay at the pump if at all possible. I believe that leaving my daughter in the car, strapped into her carseat, while I am standing directly beside the car is likely the safest option. I've seen people hit or cars rear-ended in gas stations several times. I tend to think that she's safest in the car with me right there. It's certainly less risky at that point in time than it is when we're exiting the station and actually driving on the road. If I was to pull her out and walk across the station through all the cars coming and going, I'd be risking her & I getting hit by a car, which statistically is far far more likely than us getting car-jacked. That's like comparing the chance of getting wet in a rainstorm to getting hit by lightening.

It really surprises me every time people think that other things are riskier than driving. Driving is probably the single most dangerous and risky thing we all do on a daily basis. The chances of getting killed in an automobile accident are very high, particularly when you compare them to the chance of getting killed or injured by violent crime. Even as a pedestrian, your chances of having an accident involving a motor vehicle are higher than anything else that could happen to you on that walk.

In 2009 in the US there were over 43,000 deaths in motor vehicle accidents. There were just over 16,000 murders. Most of those murders are domestic or gang violence. That of course in no way illustrates the dangers of driving, being that with modern day safety systems, most serious car accident victims do not die but are severely injured or disabled.

I still wouldn't walk away and leave my kid in the car. But I actually do not think that the cornfield example at all illustrates why you shouldn't.

Sharon - posted on 03/18/2011

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The cornfield example is a load of crap.

All the carjackers stories I've read - don't care where you are in relation to your car, only that you're near it.

How many people were ACTUALLY in their car when it was jacked? MANY. How many were just next to it? Just as many. How many were a few feet away? Probably just a little less than the previous two.

Someone who shoots a woman in the back is going to kill anyway.

Caitlin - posted on 03/21/2011

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A carjacking would make the headlines here as well..

And getting carjacked is just as likely when you are pumping the gas or paying at the pump, or even stopped at a red light (actually, i'd think more so at a red light, cause there aren't cameras there..) so I'm really not too concerned.. No matter where I happen to be, the carjacker isn't going to let me take the kids out of the car, so it's a "calculated risk".

Rosie - posted on 03/21/2011

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i really think where people live and how many kids they have affects their judgement on this one. i have 3 kids, and i live in a VERY safe area. people just don't do these things here, i'm more apt to have someone help me carry my stuff to my car, than even HEAR of someone else getting carjacked. i think if you grew up in iowa, kelly you might change your mind. maybe not, but i can honestly say, i freak out more while driving on the interstate than leaving my kids in a locked car for 2 min. in full view. :)

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Jenn - posted on 03/22/2011

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"(Carjackings) are in fact so common, they are not news worthy."

Not around here they aren't. I've never ever heard of that happening where I live. Not once.

"And of course, as I said earlier, it's best to just pay and the pump while the child is in the car, but in situations where one must go inside, it is safest to take the child inside too."

Maybe where you live, and due to your own personal carjacking experience you feel this way. For most of the world this just isn't a concern or even a thought.

And I've been skydiving too, and let me tell you, I most certainly did not use a "shoot", but I did use a chute. ;)

Celeste - posted on 03/22/2011

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I have 3 kids-4year old twins and an 8 year old daughter. I usually pay at the pump. But, there have been times that I did take them out of the car. I just don't feel comfortable leaving them.

Even when I drop my daughter off at GS, if I have to go in for a few minutes, I take my boys in, too.

We live in a pretty safe area, but I still don't feel comfortable leaving my kids in the car like that..

Meghan - posted on 03/21/2011

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I take him out of the car, every single time!
carjackings really aren't my main concern...maybe it should be but I am pretty sure the way my son has been acting lately, whoever took off with my car would bring him back right away and apologize!
The gas station I use is right by the pub and I worry that a drunk driver would hit the car. What if there was a hold up (or an extreme what if) a robbery in the store and I wasn't in there for "a second"
I can understand when people have more than one child-it would be a pain in the ass and I don't know that I can say I would haul all the kids in. But for me, having the one, I wont risk it. Besides, the ladies at the gas station love my son-he goes in and hams it up!

Vegemite - posted on 03/21/2011

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See kelly you do those things knowing there are risks and accidents do happens. The more risky things you do with higher frequency the more likely something is to go wrong and it sounds like you often take risks. There is no less or more risk to be carjacked at a servo (inside or out) than there is driving anywhere else.

Johnny - posted on 03/21/2011

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Yup, carjackings would definitely make the news here. Leading the 6 o'clock news, front page of the paper kind of thing.



In my city last year there were 9 homicides and 10 attempted homicides. Carjackings 0. Our police force publishes monthly crime statistics broken down by neighborhood, crime, and dates.

Jodi - posted on 03/21/2011

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Carjackings make the headlines here - they never happen. if it DID happen, believe me, it would be headline news for days.

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Not all carjackings make the news....mine didn't. There is nothing online documenting it, other than this, and I'm sure most are the same. There's a police report, the car and the guy were never found, most aren't. They are in fact so common, they are not news worthy.

And of course, as I said earlier, it's best to just pay and the pump while the child is in the car, but in situations where one must go inside, it is safest to take the child inside too.

Also, I know skydiving is safer than driving in a car, as I said, I'm certified, but it is NOT safe if you do not take all of the precautions to control the risk. Taking your child into the store when you must go in, is just a small precaution, just like the emergency shoot in your pack. Would you jump without a safe shoot? I've never had to use mine. I've never known anyone who had to use theirs either. But there is no way in Hell I'd jump without it.

Johnny - posted on 03/21/2011

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I'm finding this car jacking thing more and more ridiculous. Perhaps it is in an issue for you, but clearly from this thread, for many of us it's the least of our concerns. A quick google search found me one story of a carjacking in my major metropolitan area in the past 5 years. I thought I'd found more, but they all happened in an American city with the same name (not leaving my kids in the car there!)

It could happen. I could also win the lottery jackpot. I actually know two people who have won the lottery jackpot, so somehow I'm thinking even that is more likely. I actually know a person who was struck by lightening twice. What are the chances of that? Apparently higher than a carjacking where I live.

So I'll continue to endeavor to find stations where I can pay at the pump and leave my daughter in the car where she's safest. Because around here she's far more likely to get run over on the way into the station by some half blind old bitty than us getting carjacked. And you know, I don't worry that much about getting run over at the gas station either.

By the way, skydiving is also far safer than driving your car through town. As is driving on the interstate/freeway.

Jenn - posted on 03/21/2011

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I think just the fact that you have a bad personal experience influences your decision. And it makes a difference of the area you live in.

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It does depend on where you live, but not that much--the woman was shot in the small town where I grew up with virtually no crime. The gunman had escaped from a prison downstate and had somehow made it all the way upstate from there. The carjacking happened in the town I still live in. I avoid driving in that area now, but it doesn't mean that's the only place I'd ever get carjacked--it can happen anywhere.

I do live, I do love skydiving, I'm actually certified and I have my private pilots licence and am working on my instruments rating. We kayak, white water raft, rock climb, and enjoy lots of fun activities on our vacations, but they are done with controlled and calculated risk--I would not skydive with a shoot I hadn't packed, fly with a pilot I hadn't checked, or raft a river alone. I take risks, but I do so with precautions.

And I just don't really trust people.....

Caitlin - posted on 03/21/2011

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Lol.. ya, soon I will have 3 under 3.. try hauling all 3 into the station to pay.. 1 in the terrible twos, 1 who never feels like walking and a child seat.. DON;T think so.. Oh, and it's safe here...

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Kelly it takes more then a few seconds to get 3 children out of the car and more then a few to get us all back in.

Caitlin - posted on 03/21/2011

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Christine, I am so jealous.. I've been wanting to go skydiving for like 4 years now, but every summer i've been pregnant or just recovering from giving birth, so I couldn't do it.. Yet again this summer I will miss out, because I'm due in october!

Jodi - posted on 03/21/2011

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Kelly, there are risk with everything in life. I let my kid walk to a bus stop and take a bus to school. There are risks with that. I allow my daughter top cross the road without holding my hand (she is 6), but there are still risks with that. The risk of me even taking my kids out in the car are higher than anything happening to them if I leave them alone in the car for 5 minutes where I can see them. There are many things we do every day as parents that are 10 times more risky to our children.

Vegemite - posted on 03/21/2011

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For me there is no risk. You and I clearly think differently and that's ok. So excuse me while i finish planning my NZ holiday full of dangerous things like skydiving, bungee swings, skiing, heli-iceclimbing, paraglyding and extreme kayaking and 4wd driving. YEEE-FRIKEN-HAAAH YEEEOW

Caitlin - posted on 03/21/2011

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Well, obviously you live in an area that I wouldn't leave my kids in the car either! You've been carjacked.. someone else was shot and killed during a carjacking and their kid roamed and died in a cornfield.. It all depends on where you live. Here, it would be much easier for the criminals to just grab any of the cars where the drivers leave their keys in, since most i've seen do. My keys come with me when I pay, and still, never heard of anyone being held at gunpoint in a carjacking here, or even in the city for that matter (i'm in blissful suburbia) so i'm not really that worried..

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Well, I've been carjacked. It was before my son was born, but I can tell you it's scary as shit and if a man in the station is demanding my keys, I would not be able to tell him "sure, I'll give you my keys, but I've left my son in the car, you will have to wait while I retrieve him."

I didn't say they would starve....that's kind of ridiculous.

If you were hit on your way to the store, you would probably not be seriously injured, as cars usually drive very slowly in our service stations. Furthermore, watching for traffic would be a more reasonable precaution than just remaining in the car.

If the station was held up while you were inside, you, nor your child, would be harmed unless you disobey the gunman, and if the gunman was killing everyone, he'd kill the kids in the car too.


Taking them in only takes a second if you discipline properly. I simply tell my son before we go inside "I am not buying you anything, so don't ask." It's not a problem because he knows if I say that, there is no use in asking--I don't change my mind.

If you want to continue leaving your kids in your car, that's fine, but don't try to deny that there is a risk, just admit that you are willing to take that risk with your child in order to avoid the hassle of taking your kid into the store.

Vegemite - posted on 03/21/2011

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What a joke i'm laughing so hard i fell down. No kelly being extreme about worrying about things that most likely will never happen is not living. My kids will not be kidnapped or the car stolen because i lock the car, if i was carjacked (which doesn't happen here) i would get the kids out of the car and they can have it i doubt a car jacker wants to take kids with them anyway, they will not starve they're not even allowed to eat in the car, if i was hit walking from car into servo then so would my kid if i had them with me, if the servo was held up while i was inside so would the kids be if i had them with me. In both those last highly unlikely situations my kids would be safer in the car.

I takes a lot longer than a couple of seconds to get two toddlers in and out of the car. With all the lollies, chocolates and chips on display it's like navigating a mine field of i wants and tantrums because i wont buy them everything they want.

Caitlin - posted on 03/21/2011

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Lol.. My 2 kids stay in the car, I bring the keys, and usually don't bother even locking the doors. I go in because I collect points at my gas station, and I can't swipe THAT card at the pump. It's safe here.. The closest I ever got to getting carjacked was at the pharmacy where I was parked next to my twin car, I was putting my kid in the passenger side car seat (second row of course) and the owner of my twin car opened the driver side door, sat down, looked really confused and appologized profusely - he thought it was his car.. Seriously? Not worried about it...

Vegemite - posted on 03/21/2011

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oh ok i'd rather die tomorrow knowing i lived than die at 100 knowing i never lived a day. I don't worry about the what ifs I worry about the what wills

Jodi - posted on 03/21/2011

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Apparently your kids could be kidnapped, you car could be stolen, your kids could starve to death after you are hit by a car walking over to pay, maybe you could get held up while you are paying and your kids end up held for ransom.......

I'm wondering too.......

Vegemite - posted on 03/21/2011

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how is it unsafe to leave your kids in the car with the windows cracked a couple of cm's and the doors locked while you go inside where you can see the car at all times for a couple of minutes to pay at a heavily surveilled servo.

Stifler's - posted on 03/19/2011

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My grandma has an alarm system. It's a POS that goes off about anything so she doesn't even turn it on anymore. Waste of time.

Isobel - posted on 03/19/2011

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I just can't get passed the fact that people truly believe that their kid is safer in the car while you are in it than a couple meters away.

There was a woman who was arrested once for not waking up her baby to bring it outside into freezing rain while she walked her older children 20 feet to drop money they had collected for charity into a bucket.

Seriously...arrested. She had to call her husband to come and get the kids cause they hauled her off to jail :\

Becky - posted on 03/19/2011

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I pay at the pump. If there's no pay at the pump option, I go elsewhere. I guess if I was travelling and was in a small town where there was no other option, I'd take them inside.

Jocelyn - posted on 03/19/2011

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But if you walk to the store you could be hit by a car.
We'll never be able to win :P lol

Isobel - posted on 03/19/2011

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haha...I have an alarm system but we never arm it cause I'm too paranoid that it would be tripped either by the children, the cat, or my husband coming home late at night after a few beers.

I don't know how to drive, but if I did I imagine I would leave them in the car if it was really close and there was no line up...I DO see a big difference between leaving them for 60 seconds vs 15 minutes.

I would also like to say that it amazes me that people who drive have forgotten just how dangerous it is...it's not a "small risk"...It's probably the biggest one you take and you do it all the time (even when you don't have to). People do it for fun, for laziness...why would you risk your child's life putting them in a car to go to the store down the road when you could just walk?

Jenn - posted on 03/19/2011

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And that explains why you feel more paranoid about a remote possibility than the rest of us. You clearly live in an area that is full of either a lot of crime, or panic-driven citizens.

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Sharon, you are missing the point. Not driving at all would be a HUGE sacrifice to avoid a SMALL risk, it doesn't balance. But getting your kid out of the car, is a tiny sacrifice to avoid a small risk--it balances.

As to the relevance of the story--Yes, the car would have been high-jacked either way, but that doesn't matter. Who cares about the stupid car?? The point is, if she had brought her kid in with her, she would have handed over the keys, he would not have shot her, he would have driven off in the stolen car, and both the mom & child would have lived. She was shot because she wouldn't hand over the keys. She wouldn't hand over the keys because her kid was in the car. To me this is very simple and I don't understand why people cannot make the connections....

It is fine if you don't think anything bad can ever happen to you, bad things have happened to me, so I'm not that naive. I just think it's a bit careless to leave a kid in the car where something like that can happen when it is so quick and simple to just take them with you. To never drive again is an extreme sacrifice to avoid the risk, but it takes less than a minute longer to take a kid with you.

Or think of it this way: You would never leave your kid in the bath alone because they might drown. Do you never give them a bath? No, you just stay with them.

PS I'm very surprised at the amount of people who don't use alarm systems. I don't know anyone in real life without one.

Stifler's - posted on 03/19/2011

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i never lock our doors when i'm home lol i went away last week and my husband forgot to SHUT the door when he left for work and came home after 14 hours to our house with nothing missing.

Sarah - posted on 03/18/2011

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My front door is rarely locked in the day. If I'm going out, I lock the door behind me, other than that, it's not locked. The back door isn't locked either!

I've not long passed my driving test, so I'm still a bit scared of going to a big petrol station!! I use the little garage by my house, and I leave the kids in the car while I run in and pay.

Here in the UK......you don't get a lot of crazy gun-men hijacking cars......and it's seldom really hot either!

Sharon - posted on 03/18/2011

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It is a load of crap as an example of not to leave your kids in your car.

by that example - last christmas two men were hijacked at a STOPLIGHT - the guy took off with their car with their dogs in the back. Um. yeah. So you should never drive.

I know I've read other stories where people have been hijacked on their way back to their cars while grocery shopping and getting out of their vehicles. Honestly, its ridiculous to live your life by one news story especially that one because that man was going to hijack that car regardless of where she was. He just happened to come upon her while she wasn't quite near her vehicle.

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@Jenn where i live is much the same. I don't lock my doors of a day. I do close the house up and if i'm going to be out all day i will lock the place up. But if i'm just ducking up the street to get my daughter from school i just close up.
I'm a little more careful now though because i have had some people just turn up. My Ex even tried to get into my garage while i wasn't home. So things are changing now.

Amy - posted on 03/18/2011

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I use a debit card and talk to my kids or make faces at them through the window. I never leave the side of my car.

Jenn - posted on 03/18/2011

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@Kelly - I don't even lock my front door, never mind an alarm. I can pretty much guarantee that I could go to any of my neighbours houses during the day and walk right in - not locked. I guess we just come from a different area and a different mindset. The thought of something happening has never entered my thought process, it's just a non-issue to me.

~Jennifer - posted on 03/18/2011

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ahhh....this is what makes me happy to be back home:

Jersey Girls don't pump gas.

We roll down the window and tell the attendant how much we want and hand them the cash or card.

(I'm also able to ask the attendant to check my oil and wash my windshield....if I want to.....our local station does it while you wait either way.)



=)



http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006...

Krista - posted on 03/18/2011

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If I'm home, our only gas station is teeny-tiny, with two pumps, and a nice big window inside. Even then, I'll usually only put in as much gas as I can pay for with cash. That way, I can run in, slap my $20 on the counter, and run back out, eyes on the vehicle the whole time. And it goes without saying that the doors are locked and the keys are in my hand. Besides, there are a bunch of retired guys who like to hang out on the park bench in front of the gas station and gossip, so I doubt anybody would try anything with those three busybodies sitting right there.

If I'm in town, I just go to a pay-at-the-pump. But, like Sharon said, if someone really wanted to carjack me, they could do so just as easily while I'm standing there with the gas nozzle in my hand.

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Sharon, that story is not "a load of crap" it actually happened in my town when I was a child. The kid was in my class at school. You don't have to believe it, I don't care, but please refrain from calling me a liar.

I don't consider taking my son into a store with me to be "living in fear". It is virtually impossible not to drive, not to sleep, and not to walk, but it is very, very easy to get my kid out of the car. I simply weigh the inconvenience with the risk. This is a very small inconvenience to avoid a potentially deadly situation, so why not take the precaution? It's just like sleeping, we all need to sleep, but most people don't sleep before setting their alarm--a small inconvenience to avoid a night time thief. To avoid transportation all together, would simply not fit the risk, it would be too great an inconvenience to avoid a small risk.

Kate CP - posted on 03/18/2011

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Even if I couldn't pay at the pump I would never leave my kids in the car. Then again it's illegal to do that here. Yes, even for a minute. It's also illegal to leave your pets in the car.

Rosie - posted on 03/18/2011

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depends. most of the time i take them in with me, but i do leave them in, lock the doors and pay quite often.

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I'm lucky i live in a small area. I don't take my kids in. I have 3 with me and it takes forever to get them in and out. So they stay in the car. They are well behaved so i trust them. If i was in a bigger area then i would probably still leave them in the car but take my keys and lock it. Dangerous i know but i'm only paying i'm not going in to do my weeks shopping.

September - posted on 03/18/2011

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We pay at the pump so we are right there with him. If for some reason I needed to go in, I would take our son with us.

Lady Heather - posted on 03/18/2011

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Ooo! A problem I don't have because I don't drive. yay! Although nearly everywhere here is pay-at-the-pump now.

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