Plus size models .....really ???

Charlie - posted on 08/03/2011 ( 74 moms have responded )

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http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/fas...

Please see photos of this model and read the article .

Here is my response to the article.

This woman is gorgeous but PLEASE she is NOT plus size.
I never did understand why the fashion industry insists the definition of beauty has to come with the figure of a prepubescent boy.
I dont mind what figures they throw out there as long as it looks natural on the person , some women are naturally thin and some have curves it bothers me when they look malnourished and have colt like legs .....it isnt normal to have knees that resemble a baby foal or a body that looks like it cannot support its own head and yet this is what is considered normal by high fashion standards.

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~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/04/2011

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Well, unfortunately obesity is more the norm than this "plus" sized women. Yes, for industry standards, that is what she is. Maybe standards need to change. Cotour (however you spell it) is not designed for obese women.....or the average sized women. It is meant for the ultra thin and the rich.

I just wish that society as a whole would get healthier. I see more overweight people than I do see women and men being a healthy size. Then you pass fast food restaurants at lunch time, and cars fill up the lot and are actually wrapping around the building waiting in line for take out. This isn't healthy either.

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When I wear jeans they are always snug on me, but ive always worn them like that even wen I wore an 8. Now Im in a 14 bu teven those I like to wear snug... I have a butt and I like to show it lol. BUT if I get a muffin top going with jeans I will NOT wear them.

Jane - posted on 08/04/2011

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Currently I am fat, but I have been "Plus Sized" since I was 12 - the smallest size I could wear was a 12 when I was too skinny. Normally I wear a 14 or a 16, but I am 5'8" and have swimmer's shoulders.

Right now I am way larger than that.

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True plus size models would not encourage sales. I read an article a few years ago that showed a catalog with real plus size women and women the size in the OP's article. The catalog was specifically for plus size models. The ones with real big women did not sell as well as the other. I can see that.

What bothers me more than this label is the unwillingness to use the word "fat.' I'm fat, I'm obese, I know it. Yet when I say it, people say, 'Oh Jen stop, you're not."

Well, yes I am but I'm really quite OK with it. Why can't everyone else just relax and accept what we are and what we aren't?

Krista - posted on 08/04/2011

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A lot of it is perception. Models have ALWAYS been crazy-thin. They've just sometimes had boobs, and sometimes not. Any time people trumpet about a model with "curves" (such as Gisele Bundchen), it basically just means that she's not completely flat-chested.

Today's model requirements are measurements no more than 34-24-34, and 5'9.

Christie Brinkley, the 1980's epitome of the "healthy" supermodel? 36C-23 1/2-35 1/2. Not a big difference there, is there? Cindy Crawford -- another "healthy" model? 34B"-25.5"-36". I suppose an extra inch on the waist can LOOK like a big difference when you're already so slender. But really, at no time have models looked like the average woman.

Is that "plus-sized" model representative of plus-sized women? Of course not -- no more than a regular-sized model is representative of a regular-sized women. Fashion has always had a warped idea of body sizes for women.

Personally, I like it when we occasionally see a "plus" sized model in a magazine editorial spread without the "Hey! Look how enlightened we are!" disclaimer about featuring a fatty. It doesn't happen often, but at least it happens SOMETIMES, which is more than we used to be able to say.

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Krista - posted on 10/11/2011

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We have a Tall Girl in Halifax, Jaime. A good friend of mine is 6ft tall, and gets all of her work trousers and jeans there.

Jaime - posted on 10/11/2011

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Not sure about anywhere else in Canada, but I know that in London, Ontario they have a store called 'Tall Girl'. My best friend hit 6 feet tall at age 12 and this is the only store she is able to find pants that fit in length and around her waist. It's a specialty store though, so not sure how many exist.

Krista - posted on 10/11/2011

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Misses: 2-12
Petites: 2-12 (they're just shorter, not smaller in size)
Womens (or Plus): 14 and up (although I haven't personally seen bigger than 28)


Here it depends on the store. Some stores have Misses sizes up to a 12. Some up to a 14, and some (like Cleo and Ricki's) will carry up to an 18.

The thing is (and I know this from vast experience), a 14 Misses fits VERY differently from a 14 Womens or Plus. For much of my life, I have been too big to fit into a 14 Misses, but the 14 Plus was baggy and shapeless on me. So that's why I adore stores like the ones I mentioned above. A 16 Misses fits nicely and has some shape to it.

And yeah, I don't think I've ever seen above a size 28 in a store. I used to work for a major plus-size retailer, and even above a size 24 was hard to find. After that, you're ordering from online or catalogues, my friend.

Cara - posted on 10/09/2011

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I totally agree with you. They make women and girls eel like in order to be beautiful you must be able to fit in kids clothing and have no hips, boobs, butt or legs. It is ridiculous! I like the way Tyra says it....they are not plus size, they are "fiercely real!"

Stifler's - posted on 10/09/2011

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Size 0 really means nothing to me. I'm going to look up a USA size chart.

Stifler's - posted on 10/09/2011

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In Australia kids are like 00000-16 then it goes to 6 (not many brands have a 6) 8-14 (sometimes 16) is women's and then plus size womens.

Jane - posted on 10/09/2011

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I see sizes up to 6X (XXXXXXL) in some stores. This is the equivalent of siz.e 32

Kate CP - posted on 10/09/2011

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It depends on where you shop. 14 is not plus sized in most store. 9 and below is usually in the petite or misses section, anything over 9 to 14 is in the woman's section and anything 15 and over is usually in the "big and tall" area..."

Don't know where you're shopping but that's not the case in the stores I've been to. And if you search online for American companies (if you're shopping in America I'm referring to American sizing charts) the size ranges are:

Misses: 2-12
Petites: 2-12 (they're just shorter, not smaller in size)
Womens (or Plus): 14 and up (although I haven't personally seen bigger than 28)

...and "big and tall" is usually a mens clothing term. I've *never* seen a woman's clothing item labeled "big and tall". Also, the odd sizes (1, 3, 5, 7, etc) are junior's sizes.

Brittany - posted on 10/08/2011

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Actually Sherri,

It depends on where you shop. 14 is not plus sized in most store. 9 and below is usually in the petite or misses section, anything over 9 to 14 is in the woman's section and anything 15 and over is usually in the "big and tall" area.

I have noticed more and more that anything 16 and over does not have a size on it. The sizes are xxl and over now. Thought that was kind of strange.

I do not like when others make comments about someone's weight. Yes we do have the ability to control ourselves but, what is that person has a thyroid issue? You simply can not know why someone is overweight. Perhaps they are over weight because, they have an issue with food or they were abused as a child.

I am not "fat" or "obese" by medical means but, I am a little bit bigger then I should be.

I was "obese" when my OBGYN put me on Adipex. I am 4'11 and I was 210 pounds. Since April I have gone down and I am supposed to be 140 pounds by November. My doctor wondered if there was something going on and there is. My skeleton is to big for my body. My Mom is 4'9 and my Daddy was (before his accident) 6'6. I have my Daddy's skeleton and my Mom's body.

Lady - posted on 10/08/2011

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I showed the artical to my hubby who couldn't believe she was a plus size model - he thought she lookedd great, very sexy and said all models should be like that - I' a UK size 8/10 so he's not a chubby chaser in anyway but he just thought she looked like a proper women - definitely NOT plus size!!

Sherri - posted on 10/08/2011

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Emma I find the teenagers are the ones size 16 wearing the shorter outfits or people who just don't care that they are overweight and shouldn't wear such things.

Stifler's - posted on 10/07/2011

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What I don't like is that all models seem to be tall. I'm short, most women are not tall and we don't suit things that tall women wear and every time I buy jeans they are too long. And why do they even make size 16 dresses that only come down to just under your butt? who in their size 16 ass right mind would wear that. I'm size 16 aus, just saying.

Sherri - posted on 10/07/2011

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A 12 is not considered plus size and 14 is most definitely plus size and you have to buy in the plus size dept. So yes Emma you are correct and Angela T. is most definitely mistaken.

I agree Teresa it is absurd that they consider anything over a size 4 plus size in the modeling industry. Obviously this does not mimic real life.

Stifler's - posted on 10/07/2011

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Isn't an American 12-14 like a 18 in Aus sizes? If so.. that is plus size.

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Total agreement this woman is not plus size. She looks to me like she is a size 12 or 14. 14 is the average size of most American woman. In the modeling world anyone over a size 8 is considered plus size. I got that from watching America's Next Top Model. Not sure if that is the best source of information! LOL

Brittany - posted on 10/07/2011

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I am a size 9, after having three kids in two years and breastfeeding them all.....and I am considered "obese" and "plus-sized".

Want my response to that?

Screw you! I have curves, like a woman is supposed to. I do not look like a bean poll, I have a butt, you can't see my ribs and my husband thinks I am sexy!

PLUS, I can eat whatever I want with out having to worry about what anyone thinks.

SO HA!

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Yeah I agree that "plus size" models don't cut it yet. Let's get real. Is there a company that (not a fetish!!) that complies with real size representation?

HIGH high fashion...It's a culture supported by people who are just in a different world from me. I still read mags and KNOW what I could wear. But I pull on myT and jeans, then I drink my coffee and look out my back window at my six horses and admire their perfection and beauty. Gisele or whoever klumps down the catwalk can keep trying, but I have the real deal!! Although Sarah Jessica Parker's got a weird resemblance. LOL!

Sherri - posted on 09/01/2011

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Sadly anything over a size four can be considered a plus size model.

Jennifer - posted on 09/01/2011

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My sister is 5'10" in a size 10 she looks healthy. In a size 6 she looks near death. I am 5'3" in a size 10 I look fat. In a size 6 I look healthy. Tall women wear larger sizes at a normal, healthy weight. I still remember finding out that a really tall friend of mine wears a size 12 because she looks like a stick! But 12 is considered "plus size". If she ever claimed to be a plus sized model though, I think all her friends would tie her down and stuff donuts down her throat!

Minnie - posted on 09/01/2011

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That's plus size? Lol. She looks normal. But probably 8 inches taller than me.

Tiffany - posted on 08/31/2011

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I remember being a size 7 in high school days and stating they'd consider Me a plus size since I actually had a butt, and in comparison, this pretty much proves my point!

Danielle - posted on 08/08/2011

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I've been in the modelling industry myself I wouldn't even call her a plus size model, I've seen plumpier models then that. I use to be skinny like i looked like i was going to die, but boy did i ever gain weight being pregnant back to back and then suffering with a rare ovarion cancer. She looks good and if that's over weight they haven't gone to the modelling conventions in a long time.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/07/2011

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The thing is that the reason these models are so thin is because the designer wants you to focus on the clothes and the models actually represent hangers. The sad part is that because a lot of actresses want to wear the clothes that the models wear to functions they have to slim down because it's cheaper for the designer to have sample sizes in smaller numbers than to have a larger array of them. So then the actresses diet to look like hangers as well. This is most likely why this size 8 or whatever woman is considered a plus size model.

But on the bright side you can always consider what this guy said to a friend of my mom's: The bones are for the dog, the meat is for the man. Kinda weird but hey... at least there's men out there who don't like having sex with hangers.

Melissa - posted on 08/07/2011

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Wow when I opened the link I kept scrolling like "WHERE IS THE PLUS SIZED MODEL???" this is absolutely ridiculous. She's not anorexic, she's THIN. The modeling industry really just bothers me, and I can never understand why women WANT to be models. Yes, it's glamorous, yes you may get to travel the world, but is it worth the mutilation you end up doing to your body? So many times these women are malnurished and suffering vitamin deficiencies, and that does long lasting damage to a body that many times you can't reverse! So sad :0(

Teresa - posted on 08/07/2011

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It is so sad really that a normal sized person is classified as something other than normal. It's the size 0 models that are the freaks and should be banned.

Emma - posted on 08/07/2011

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The fashion industry is messed up really this woman is not plus size, she is normal, in proportion and healthy looking.
Viva showing a woman that looks like a woman and not like a pre prepubescent.
Just showed my hubby the pics and he said "very sexy" and when i said she was a plus size model he said "your joking if that's plus size whats considered normal ?! "

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/05/2011

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@ Sarah, I know the term and understand it. But yeah the tallest of my female friends is only 5'10. Of course she does tower over my husband- he's only 5'6

Sarah - posted on 08/05/2011

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She IS a plus sized model, whether you like the term or not, that's what she is.
I don't think she looks like "an average woman" at all either! She's 6ft tall!! Now I know there are lot's of tall women out there, but there are also a LOT of short women out there......the "average woman" would fall somewhere in the middle surely?!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/05/2011

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I can convince my belly and everything to go into a 13/14 from Aeropostale. But it doesn't always work :( I still wear my XL Target Tankinis. I hate the plus size suits that most stores. Just because I'm not a size 4 doesn't mean I want to dress like my mom!

Jaime - posted on 08/05/2011

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I'm a size 20...I couldn't wear a smaller size even if I wanted to. I have the pleasure of having super hips that are two sizes bigger than my waist so no chance of me getting into anything smaller :(

Stifler's - posted on 08/05/2011

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My sister is size 16. I know this because she weighs 90kg and I weigh 85 and I'm size 16. She is shorter therefore she has a bigger girth to be that weight. She claims to be size 14 and wear size 12-14 clothes and fat hangs out because she can't accept a larger size. It irritates me, just wear the right size! No one cares if you're "plus size".

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/05/2011

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God if she's plus sized then I'd better not go to the beach anymore because some one'll try to push my size 16 butt back in the lake!

Kate CP - posted on 08/05/2011

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Emma: I call those women sausage women. 'Cause they look like they just stuffed themselves into a sausage casing. :P

Stifler's - posted on 08/05/2011

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You know what I really really hate. When women cannot accept that they are size 16 or more so they buy size 10-12 anyway.... you're not fooling anyone!

Amber - posted on 08/04/2011

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I think the big issue is that a size 12 is considered plus size. It's not that she's too big or small; it really has nothing to do with the model.
The problem is that the fashion industry has taken "average" and made it seem like a bad thing by calling it plus size, which has a stigma attached to it whether we like it or not.


Height really does make a huge difference. I'm 5'8 and wear a 12 or 14 depending on the brand. Even when I was doing dance training 11 hours a week, I was a size 10...I had a 6 pack, but that's where the sizing falls.

Both of my best friends are short, one is 5'0 the other is 5'1. If they wore a size 12, it would look completely different on them. They look chunky in a size 6-8, but that would make me look overly thin.

I really just wish we would go to a measurement system like men. The width around our waist and length of our inseam...wouldn't that be nice.

Katherine - posted on 08/04/2011

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LOL, Plus sized? She IS beautiful and not even "full figured." She is a "normal" healthy looking woman.

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Brandi she is tall at 6ft so her size will be deceiving as will her weight. I am 5ft 9in and nobody gets my weight or size right they always under-estimate them because 'I carry weight well' (yeah I get sick of hearing that line). I look far too skinny when I'm a UK 10 (I look like a stick with boobs and bum), for me I look fantastic at a 14-16 but I don't look like I'm a 14-16 because of my height and build (although when I stand next to my tiny friends (I have several friends in the lower 5ft range) I look big. It is all about perception on my own I look great with friends bigger.

I think this woman looks healthy and regardless of size that should be what is strived for.

ETA: I'm not a 14-16 now I am still carrying baby weight and I have a good few stone to lose to be at my ideal :-)

Sal - posted on 08/04/2011

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i think cathy has it right too, my only grip is why does it need a name, why can't they just be models? and if she needs to be classed as a plus, why don;t they print the BMI of all modles on their photo spreads so that people (esp young girls) can really see it for what it is, some very under weight girls, some healthy range girls and some over wieight girls, just like the real world

Dana - posted on 08/04/2011

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Great posts, Cathy! I'd give you helpfuls but, they seem to not be working. Who would have thought that. *eye roll*

Anyhow, I think what people need to realize also is that she's still going to be airbrushed in photos. I'm sure she doesn't look so "perfect" with out all the touch ups. No matter who you are, they remove a roll here, a bump there. - Even on "skinny" models.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/04/2011

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Cathy "I also think it's an incredible double standard to complain about the malnourished underweight figure typical of couture fashion models (those designers don't even put garments bigger than a size 12 into production) then complain that the plus size model, who is a picture of health and fitness, isn't fat enough.
You'll criticize one eating disorder ... then complain that the other extreme isn't being represented!"

Bravo! Well said, I was actually coming to this thread to say the exact same thing. Everyone bashes skinny models, and then tells everyone they should love themselves the way they are. I am sure some of these models MAY have eating disorders to look the way they do, but what about those that are naturally super thin? Then a "plus size" just isn't big enough for regular standards.

I call BULLSHIT!

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Shes not plus size, shes the perfect size.Shes beautiful and natural.She looks very happy and healthy.Good healthy imagine for all of us to see.

PLus size can even mean big hips.Theres a hip to waist thing in modeling to.If your over, i have seen this on top model show.She was called plus size.

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