Pro-Lifers

Charlie - posted on 10/08/2010

Intelligence is often mistaken for the human ego in my opinion .

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

Yes, have a safe trip and enjoy your visit!

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

Have a safe trip!



Edited to add: mmm Belgian chocolate lol

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

Okay ladies, I really enjoyed today's debate, but I have to sign off, my beautiful little girl is coming home on the bus & I've got to go get her. I'm off to Belgium tomorrow to see my first grandbaby. I'll have to log on over there to see where this debate goes. I've had fun, didn't mean to step on any toes today. God bless all of you.

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

I did get that, and sometimes that isn't possible. Where you are from, you haven't seen how bad it can actually be. Sometimes, it IS a lower standard of living. I was stating clearly that you are contradicting yourself and why. Not all kids get adopted either, so either way chances are good they'll never know the true joys of having a family until they start one of their own.

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

Paige - your being passive agressive by saying I contradict myself. I'm going to say it one more time. A baby isn't going to be subjected to a lower standard of living if the birth Mom gives it up for adoption. Adoption is better than death. Did you get that?

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

I think you're an animal. *snicker* I kid, I kid.
But, this is MY convo and if you can't answer the questions I posed, you came to the wrong hut.

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

It is a debate Cindy, but you're contradicting yourself by saying all life is precious, and that you don't judge women who get abortions; but clearly you do judge and obviously not all life is precious if you'd rather a baby be subjected to a lower standard of living by forcing the mother to go through with the pregnancy.

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

As humans aka mammals, we are technically animals. We THINK we are intelligent, but who's to say that a cow isn't because we don't speak their "language." If all life is precious, I vote that we all live in lean over shanties that can be moved so as not to disturb the sacred lives of animals. Without animals, our ecosystem would go to shit, so we should be accommodating them. If we, humans, are so intelligent, then why do we insist on over populating a planet that only has so many natural resources? That doesn't seem all that smart, it's almost a bacterial/parasitic way of life. We leech off of the earth (our host), breeding far too fast for the host to survive, draining it dry without a second thought. Recycling alone won't help.

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

I have a nose, not a snout! You need to distinquish between animals & humans. Babies are human, piglets are not. If you can't take the debate, go somewhere else. This is up for debate!

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

Hey, our fellow big brained humans came up with the laws. We just have to abide by them. Dolphins are very intelligent mammals too. Sometimes I think they are much smarter than we.

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

I'm a mammal, but I'm human w/intelligence. If I kill my young & eat them, I will go to jail or death row, but if I abort my young, I'm okay.

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

"As a mother, I would hope you would put your baby at the top of the priority list!"

MY baby. Not YOUR baby. But MY BABY. You have no business poking your snout where it doesn't belong. Unless your advise is solicited- BUTT OUT!

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

Kimberly - I do take a stance, I don't think I'm being wishy washy at all. Humans are not the same as cows, chickens, pigs, lions. As far as the death row inmate, he made his choices in life & now he has to pay society's price for that wrong choice. He still has a soul though.

Rosie - posted on 10/08/2010

if you can't come up with anything more constructive then attacking my best friend, i'm done. this is fucking ridiculous.

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

Um. I hate to tell you this, but you as a mammal, are indeed an animal.

Rosie - posted on 10/08/2010

she doesn't believe in god, and has no guilt so i'm not sure what you're getting at.
did you read my post with the link? more people die when abortion is illegal. sometimes i start to wonder if it's only a fetus's life, who by the way can't LIVE without sucking off of it's host, that is important. screw everyone elses.

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

A baby is not an animal. Thank God we don't eat our babies, we just abort them by the millions. Kati - your friend aborted her baby to finish schooling, how selfish. What is the important thing here, her own baby or school? As a mother, I would hope you would put your baby at the top of the priority list!

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

Cindy...pick a stance. Which one do you really stand behind??? You are being very wishy washy.

"Are you truly comparing an innocent baby's life to a death row inmate or a cow or chicken?"

OR

"Life is a sacred thing, every life has a soul."

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

The point I was getting at is - People don't have the right to live their life the way they want if it infringes on another's right to life. I don't think this married couple should have the right to adopt a special needs child if they destroyed their own child. If it makes women feel better to convince themselves that what was inside them is a "fetus" then keep on deluding yourself to ease your guilt. You wouldn't feel guilty if you had not done something so wrong. Why not just ask God's forgiveness & forgive yourself instead of letting on that abortion is something that is instictively wrong. Life is a sacred thing, every life has a soul.

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

And lion babies born to an exiled mother lioness get eaten, they could have grown up to be adult lions, but that's just nature.

Rosie - posted on 10/08/2010

first it's her HUSBAND, not boyfriend. second, they "destroyed" their own child, so they could finish their schooling, and make sure they have the appropriate means to provide for a child that practically NOBODY would want. and i find it extremely offensive that you call it "all talk." you have NO FUCKING CLUE who my best friend is or what she is about.
what makes me think they will be good parents?? i've known her since we were 7. i know the insides of her mind, and can finish her sentences. she is a kind, loving, WONDERFUL person. MY children adore her, and can't wait for the next time they get to see her. that is how i would know she would be a GREAT parent.

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

Or chickens and cows or serial killers, death row inmates, monkeys.

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

fetus's grown up to be people!

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

You're contradicting yourself there Cindy. It's one or the other. Either they aim to live their life as, eventually, loving parents of an adopted special needs child. Or they do what you're saying, keep the baby, and lose their dream. That does not make them bad people, that does not imply that they will love that special needs child any less, they just aren't the type of people who want their own born children. It's actually getting more and more common, there are even studies being done on couples who don't want children vs couples who do, and who is happiest. The gist of the matter, that we are all trying to get at, is that we can't impose our own personal beliefs on someone so that they go through with a pregnancy.

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

I think an existance of any kind would be better than none. Children grow up to make their own choices. I'm sure my daughter is happy to be alive. Her birth mother could have chosen to abort, but instead adoption gave her a wonderful life. You should see & hear my daughter laugh & enjoy her life. It's wonderful.

Chatty - posted on 10/08/2010

Cindy, first of all, I'm pretty sure if you re-read Kati's post it says they've been married for 10 years and secondly, they didn't "destroy their own child" - they aborted a fetus.

You say you don't judge but you do.

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

Heather, I don't see how you as a mother would prefer a miserable depressing existence for an innocent child.

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

Everybody deserves to live their life the way they want to, unless it infringes on another persons right to live their life. If your friend & her boyfriend are so decent, why did they destroy their own child? If they can't even love their own flesh & blood, what makes you think they will be good parents to a special needs child? All talk. I am so thankful to my child's birth mother, who was a cocaine addict, she loved her unborn, unwanted baby enough to give it life. I hope one day my daughter can thank her.

Rosie - posted on 10/08/2010

i keep on seeing post after post of "sex should only be in a loving committed relationship."
my best friend has been married to the same man for 10 years, with him for 15, and he is the ONLY man she has ever slept with. they DO NOT want to have children, and have taken appropriate measures so that would not happen. when they are both done with their schooling they want to adopt a special needs child. they are kind, wonderful, decent people.
they even tried to get him a vasectomy before he was 25, but doctors refused to do it. so they kept on with the pill. she got pregnant and had an abortion. i will never understand why some people don't want to have a child, or how they can't feel that immediate bond as soon as they find out they're pregnant, but i just had to come to realize that some people aren't like ME. the world doesn't revolve around the way that i feel, and EVERYBODY should have the chance to live their lives the way that they deem fit for THEM, not some woman on the other side of the country.

and yes, plenty of clinics that perform abortions also perform other services. i took a another friend of mine to a planned parenthood to get a pregnancy test. we had to be frisked by an armed guard before we went in because of crazy ass people who apparantly get confused about the sanctity of life. apparantly to them it's only the sanctity of a fetus's life that matters.
the planned parenthood in MY city doesn't even perform abortions, all they offer is papsmears, birthcontrol, pregnancy testing and the likes. yet there are protesters outside of it quite often, protesting what i dont' know?? maybe STD testing??
so no, you are wrong, abortion clinics provide plenty of other services other than abortion.

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

Maybe because we live in reality, where not everything can fit into nice little boxes of what's right. I don't *like* abortions, but for some people it's necessary at that point in time in their life because of whatever reasons. I accept that I cannot control them, or tell them what is right and wrong. We are all brought up in different ways, meaning the way we try to do what's best for everyone may not work for others.

Heather - posted on 10/08/2010

i think u guys are pretty rediculous! i really dont understand how any of you as a mother can be ok with other women killing innocent babies!

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

Maybe because it's not only physically painful, but emotionally and mentally as well.

Heather - posted on 10/08/2010

no ive never been inside but have u ever watched a few girls walk in and come out crying while holding there stomach!

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

Thank you Cindy, "I don't judge any women for having abortions, but I think it's sad. I wish women could see a little heartbeat before they make that hard choice." because it is a hard choice.

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

The other white meat! Now this is getting funny. Dana calm down - I think we all can be abnoxious about this subject, that's why it's such a polictical subject. I'm pro-life, I think all babies should have a chance to live. I don't judge any women for having abortions, but I think it's sad. I wish women could see a little heartbeat before they make that hard choice.

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

No, you don't know...unless you're a mindreader. Teach me! I want to be able to read minds too!

Chatty - posted on 10/08/2010

Oh, so you've been inside? Why were you there?

Heather - posted on 10/08/2010

yeah i know that the girls walking into the abortion clinic are in there to get abortions!

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

"Kimberly - Are you truly comparing an innocent baby's life to a death row inmate or a cow or chicken? Maybe the education should start w/ a baby has a hearbeat at 5 weeks & is completey formed at 8 weeks. Most women abort their babies after 8 weeks. That is what's wrong w/ our society, life has no meaning anymore. As for the cows & chickens, they are delicious, maybe we should start eating babies!"

I was merely trying to deflate the "heartbeat" position. Pro-life isn't actually pro-LIFE if all LIVES aren't considered precious. Pro-fetus is more fitting?

Did you know that a pig fetus and human fetus are almost indistinguishable?

Other cultures practice cannibalism and to them a fetus sandwich might be pretty darn good eatin. :P

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

@Heather - Where I am, women schedule abortions through their regular doctor, and it is performed at the hospital. Even MORE fun could be had picketing those places.

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

Cindy you just made me think of a picture that a friend sent me a while ago....that you would find offensive. Life is the meaning of everything, it's the drive that people have, the need to connect, the need to need to survive. Keep in mind that we humans, are merely mammals. Did you know that even in the animal kingdom, some animals will purposely injure themselves to abort the babies? Others finish the pregnancy and eat their young after. Yet we call that nature....

Heather - posted on 10/08/2010

@ dana the people walking in to the abortion clinic are not going in there to get birth control hello im alot smarter than that! they are goin in there to have an abortion! if they were going in to a regular dr then i wouldnt no but they are walking there ass's in to and abortion clinic to have a freaking abortion!

Heather - posted on 10/08/2010

@ cindy i just remember watching the movie juno and at 11 weeks ababy has fingernails lol! a person on death row did something to deserve it not an innocent baby!!!!!!!

Cindy - posted on 10/08/2010

Kimberly - Are you truly comparing an innocent baby's life to a death row inmate or a cow or chicken? Maybe the education should start w/ a baby has a hearbeat at 5 weeks & is completey formed at 8 weeks. Most women abort their babies after 8 weeks. That is what's wrong w/ our society, life has no meaning anymore. As for the cows & chickens, they are delicious, maybe we should start eating babies!

Chatty - posted on 10/08/2010

Heather, not ALL women going into those clinics are there to have an abortion. Where I live, they also offer counseling, birth control etc. YOU have NO idea why someone is going into a clinic and you certainly don't know IF they in fact had an abortion. You have no right to condemn or pass judgement on anyone.

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

I agree, we do it all the time, for the examples you have provided Kimberly. But for this topic...these women don't deserve to be condemned when they've already been backed into a corner. The sex ed class in high school isn't enough, sometimes even the birds and bees talk at home isn't enough *sigh.* I almost think the sex ed class should be started before high school, around the age when kids start hitting puberty, but that's off topic. They do come first, and hopefully will continue to until we find a different solution that doesn't force a pregnancy on a woman.

Kimberly - posted on 10/08/2010

Death row inmates have heartbeats, animals that we slaughter for food have heartbeats. I don't mean to be cruel but sometimes lives have to be cut short. That hurts me to say it but it is the truth. Humans make decisions daily on who makes the cut and who doesn't. A different discussion can be started on how to educate our children now to have an impact and create a decline in unwanted pregnancies, but until we find a solution abortion is still on the table and the women having them come first.

Paige - posted on 10/08/2010

Then trust that God will deal with it when the time comes, don't condemn them yourself.

Heather - posted on 10/08/2010

i understand god loves everyone no matter what and i try to be compasionate about everything but abortion is the onething i cant be apart of!