Should infants be banned from flying First Class?

Natasha - posted on 07/14/2011

If you can afford it and your paying for it I don't see what the big issue is,if people in first class and they don't like it then they should make a SNOB class and well know where they fall into place- no kids allowed- I do not have kids or I have kids and pay someone to care for them while I enjoy life without them. LOL I went on the train once to florida and screamed at an older lady because she was mumbling under her breath bout the kids I only had one kid at the time but I had family with me and I was raised to respect my elders but thats my baby and family, I told her she shoulda booked a room if it was such a nuisance and a few other things at least I didn't curse her out which I think my manners kicked in but either way if you pay for it then it should be allowed.

Angela - posted on 07/14/2011

@Morgan I agree, to generalize of people who have the afford ability vs. not fair.
Being from poor to better off I have felt both generalizations and fell it is just stupid.
However that being said.... we have them for a reason some "generalization" ring truth or we would not have them. However a true open mind to the question is not rich vs. poor in my opinion...but as was said can pay to discriminate.... IMHO .... no, you should not be able to do so. To protect children from alcohol, adult content etc. is one thing but to fly first class or business class is different. The child, parent and other patrons are equal.

Jodi - posted on 07/13/2011

" don't pay a ridiculous price to have to sit in a confined area for hours wanting to gag from the smell."



Bahaha, I made this point to my [very stinky] teenage son last week when I had to put him on a plane to visit his dad. I explained to him that the WORST flight a person could have is sitting next to someone who stinks, and I made him shower, scrub and deodorise before he left :P



I wonder if his dad will do the same tomorrow when he returns him? Somehow I think not, but I hope my son takes the lesson and runs with it.

Morgan - posted on 07/13/2011

I think you should be able to take your baby/children first class if your going to pay for a ticket, I would fly first class with my daughter if a could, extra space would be wonderful, and holdin a baby for 4 hours would be easier with all that leg room :) rich or poor if you don't want to be bothered don't fly!! I would also just like to say that I think it's really rude that people assume because someone is well off that they have a nanny and don't give a shit about their kids that's just crazy

Morgan - posted on 07/13/2011

I think you should be able to take your baby/children first class if your going to pay for a ticket, I would fly first class with my daughter if a could, extra space would be wonderful, and holdin a baby for 4 hours would be easier with all that leg room :) rich or poor if you don't want to be bothered don't fly!! I would also just like to say that I think it's really rude that people assume because someone is well off that they have a nanny and don't give a shit about their kids that's just crazy

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

Well Becky, that is a whole other debate...whether or not obese people should be forced to buy a second seat.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

Well Becky, that is a whole other debate...whether or not obese people should be forced to buy a second seat.

Becky - posted on 07/13/2011

Joy, especially the fat stinky ones who take up half your seat along with their own!

JL - posted on 07/13/2011

I just flew from Huntsville, Alabama to Baltimore Maryland and back during the weekend. There were 2 infants and 2 toddlers on my flight to Baltimore and none acted out. Yet I did have to sit next to and in front of two guys who smelled horribly of BO. During the flight I kept thinking how I wished I was sitting next to an infant rather than a stinky guy. I wish I had Axe body spray on me at the time so I could have sprayed them down.

On my flight back to Alabama there were 3 infants on the plane and once again none of them screamed or acted out. We should ban stinky people from flying. I don't pay a ridiculous price to have to sit in a confined area for hours wanting to gag from the smell.

Jodi - posted on 07/13/2011

Thanks for the lesson Hayley......I'll try and take it on board. You have enlightened me.

Hayley - posted on 07/13/2011

you really need to learn to not make assumptions then you wouldn't have to post a spiteful little quip at me, would you? "Oh, get over it." See, that's how to correctly make a quote without twisting or embellishing it to suit your opinion. :)

Sapphire - posted on 07/13/2011

We're still discussing this?!

Jodi - posted on 07/13/2011

Oh, get over it.

Jodi - posted on 07/13/2011

No worries Hayley. It was the term "bunch" that probably gave me the impression that we weren't just talking mum, dad and one or two children. After all, in the plane in question, there are only 12 first class seats. So if there were "a bunch", that means the family would probably be in the majority in first class.

Hayley - posted on 07/13/2011

why are you quoting the word animals???? you were the only one who posted that .....not me I'm afraid. You need to stick to facts when you argue your point of view. Dont miss quote me in future please.

Jodi - posted on 07/13/2011

Oh, I totally agree Cathy. I was just disturbed that someone could describe children in this way, even so far as to consider that these "animals' are also only to be tolerated in economy. She just made it sound like the majority of children are like that, whereas my personal experience has been that it is actually only a minority.

Hayley - posted on 07/13/2011

Jodi, my post has nothing to do with the frequency of children that behave in such a way....it is more about the behaviour in question. As I said....I would not want to have to tolerate such behaviour on a long flight if I had paid that much for first class seats. No where have I SAID in my post that all kids are like animals and I only view the parents in a bad light if they allow a child that is old enough to know better to continue with the sorts of behaviour that I am reading in some of these posts.

Cathy - posted on 07/13/2011

But if you make allowances for one, you have to allow all... even if they are the toddlers where the parents have zero control or interest in controlling them. By doing an all out ban of infants in first class you remove that potential risk of upsetting the other passengers.

Jodi - posted on 07/13/2011

You make all kids sound like animals, Hayley. I could count on one hand how often I've encountered children as you describe on a flight. And I've done a lot of travelling :\ It's rather sad, really, that people view children in that light.

Hayley - posted on 07/13/2011

I've got kids of my own but If I'm honest....I would not want to sit on a plane with a bunch of screaming, bored, misbehaving kids if I'd paid that much for first class seats. If should be kept child free. It's bad enough having to tolerate it in economy class. I wouldn't expect anyone to even put up with my kids if they were behaving in such a way.

Angela - posted on 07/06/2011

I would have asked him to quit kicking my seat!
I only brought up the drugging thing because I read somewhere that one could give medicine to make the baby sleepy... I was not trying to start another debate. I just wanted to make clear it was not a solution to a crying or fussy infant who is flying. (at least not in my book).

LadyJane - posted on 07/06/2011

That's exactly what I did... and Yes it was an adult!

But of course I did the right thing and apologized pretending that I didn't notice anyone was there. (He had gotten up a few times during the flight so it was believable.)



Though I do wish he had a juice or something on the tray so he'd have a nice wet memory of the flight, but it was empty.

Becky - posted on 07/06/2011

Was the person behind you a child or an adult? If it was an adult, I would've leaned my chair back hard when they had their tray down and slammed it into their knees, lol!

LadyJane - posted on 07/06/2011

I've been on a flight where by the time I got off, I had bruises all up and down my backside cause the person behind me just had this great urge to constantly kick the back of the seat really hard for 2 hours...

First class is no place to remove yourself from screaming babies,

Constance - posted on 07/06/2011

If I am paying the extra money to fly first class then they can kiss my ass. I will find another airline and not recommend them to anyone I know.

JL - posted on 07/06/2011

Until they start denying drunken annoying men who snore to damn loudly from purchasing tickets in first class they should not be banning infants. I happen to travel a great deal and I have never been super annoyed by a crying child. In fact I rarely have been on a flight with a child crying so badly that I felt there was a need for such a ban but I have had to more than once sit next to a drunken annoying man who smelled bad and snored way to damn loudly and that has been in first class and in coach. I don't understand why they aren't being banned as well. In fact lets ban from first class anything that may take away from the luxury you are paying for. Oh do I have a long list..........

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/06/2011

People sometimes forget how difficult things can be. Empathy definitely goes a long way.

Angela - posted on 07/06/2011

Well I thank my lucky stars that day for people like you...and yes I am the same way... I rather help a person over getting disturbed. But I guess some of us are a different breed.
IMHO some have empathy some don't.... I am glad some do....

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/06/2011

See, the way I am, you see someone struggling, you help them out. You don't get mad at them and be and asshole for them "disturbing" you. I will especially lend a helping hand to a mother in need. I have been there, and needed help, and no one has even offered.

Angela - posted on 07/06/2011

yep I was in coach but that is why now if I can upgrade to buisness or first class,I do! I rarely can do first class but my airmiles and family discount I do business at the least. As I said even the people on the plane thought the flight attendant was an ahole.. My little Claire was so sick ...she could not help it. Lucky for us their are decent people in the world....

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/06/2011

AWE! POOR BABY! See, if you were in first class, they would have helped ;)

Angela - posted on 07/06/2011

I travel so much and once my little baby got ill she had the runs and he fligh attendant was upset of the smell.... it was horrible expericence. ....
The other people on the plane were nice they felt bad and she was not even crying but yes it did smell but what could I do??? i asked for a plastic bag to put the offending diapers in... but her clothes were soaked too...come to find out she had Ecoli....
I have to say i will never fly with them again..EVER but it was horrible. also.... I could only bring bottles of juice, water etc... Do you know how many bottles a person needs on an international flight! let us not forget possible layovers etc.... it is crazy!
I bought my child her own seat.... and brought her carseat. I had carry on diaper bag, seat and my purse....it was so hard to lug all this around...oh and the stroller. Not one airline person helped me... it was a stranger..... shame on the airlines

Angela - posted on 07/06/2011

yep I did... sorry ...

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/06/2011

The way you worded it, it sounded like you WOULD sedate for the sake of others. Thanks for clearing that up!

Angela - posted on 07/06/2011

just so we got it right I am NOT for sedating children for the sake of keeping the quiet unless they need it medical reasons



Sorry if many misunderstood.... I am on my phone with a toddler so write fast..... but NO NO NO to sedating a child!!! I think it is wrong! Like I said in my other post I never had a doctor say here is a sedative so she can travel .....never

Unless motion sickness...etc... but not just for the sake of sedation! I just wanted to make my stand on this clear!

Angela - posted on 07/06/2011

Thanks Marina... I did not want people to think otherwise... I only was saying I would not drug my child for the sake of other's comfort .... but not if they need it medically.
AGAIN.... I feel as you do Mairna, it is discrimination really... and not fair. If they have issues make a family area. Families fly...we pay the same amount ... make it fair. but the airlines are a joke when it comes to business they are almost always in the red.... why...cuz they suck at business.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/06/2011

Sorry Angela, I would never drug my kids for the sake of others.....as a preventative solution, as a just in case. If medical reasons call for medication, after all other options have failed, maybe drugging can be considered. But seriously, not for the comfort of others.

Angela - posted on 07/06/2011

I only mention the meds for sedation for the sake of easing everyone else.... if it is necesary of course but I really feel that the airlines are not fair at all to families.... like i said make a area for familes ....how nice would that be... we all have kids, we all get it, make food that is child happy....life is good for us all. but they don't do that...trains do... for the money you pay why can't they do this...the airlines ignore family, so then you have this debate! If the airlines would accomodate families this would not be a problem.
I have traveled so much alone internationally with my children and let me tell you it is so so so hard. I even had to have a stranger help me once after requesting help from the airlines with lugguage, baby seat, and diaper bag etc...
I think this debate should be about the airlines offering better service period for us all. a all adult area, and an family area.
I travel by train when i can because they do have a family area... however I can't go over the ocean by train so i have not a choice and I choose the best i can afford and why should I not.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/06/2011

Yup.

Vegemite - posted on 07/05/2011

Grrr I usually like butting heads with you in a debate Marina but this time just sucks.

Maria - posted on 07/05/2011

Well idk i guess i see it differently. when you opt for first class u are expecting the best because that is what you are paying for. Ive flown many many times and everyone knows what ur gonna get flyin coach. Thats just the way it works. People shouldnt complain about crying babies in coach it should just be assumed itll happen if they wanted to make sure it didnt then they shouldve gone with first class. Or if they are really rich then just buy their own private plane :)

LadyJane - posted on 07/05/2011

Also shouldn't matter if I pay $10,000 for a seat or $300 for a seat, I should be allowed to spend my money as I see fit for my family, even if it includes sitting in first class. I've seen babies including my own who would scream so loud that even the astronauts on the moon could hear it crisp and loud. No first class seating is going to stop that and yes, in these cases it still will feel as if they were sitting right next to you.

LadyJane - posted on 07/05/2011

WOW! Crying babies are a nuisance not just to those in first class but everyone on a plane. Basically what I see is some people would be happy if ALL children were banned from even being allowed to travel by plane. Having consideration for those around you should also include those who have to fly in economy or business cless as well. First class shouldn't be the only place where people could have the right to so called peace and quiet. Babies are not going away and again if I had the money I'll definitely be taking my kids on first class and hope they behave themselves. Sedating them is completely out of the question if they don't have a medical reason to be. A parent also should be able to tell if their baby is going to be disruptive or not before getting their tickets. But I'd never make a parent feel uncomfortable just because they decided to buy first class tickets for their babies and they end up screaming. How would they know? They shouldn't be penalized for that. No financial class should be separated by another financial class. The rich should not be allowed special priviledges over the poor. If the poor has to suffer through babies screaming in their ear, so should the rich...

Maria - posted on 07/05/2011

No i dont think infants/ toddlers should be allowed in first class. I mean i first i thought well if you can afford it then no one should tell you no you cant bring your kids but then again these people in first class have money and they are paying so much more extra for the luxury of first class and a crying fussy baby would disrupt that luxury and may leave someone thinking who paid for a first class ticket that they got ripped off.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/05/2011

There is a point in a debate, that it is no longer a debate...it i simply arguing. You pushed that line a long time ago. If you want to continue this via PM that is fine.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/05/2011

I FUCKING KNOW CHRISSEY ! And she wasn't talking STRICTLY about medicating a COLICKY baby by the way, she DID talk about using it as a preventative.

Vegemite - posted on 07/05/2011

This is the full post you took that quote from. Notice the mention of a Dr prescribing it for colic in the 4th sentence.

"I am also not saying that I wouldn't hear the screaming kid in first class, but it wouldn't be trumpeting in my ear either! Sherri after having a child with Colic, I know that you COULD have planned better to avoid that situation. Maybe you couldn't help the delays but you could have given the baby children's tryminic nighttime or other sedative medication to cause the child to sleep. I had a pediatrician recommend it for the colic and had you been carrying some sort of Children's sedative, it wouldn't have been an issue. I don't fly without a sedative available to me and I wouldn't do it with my child either! It would have given the child the ability to sleep in strange surroundings and kept it from screaming the whole trip. Win-Win"

Please don't tell me to seriously settle down.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/05/2011

Jennifer, I appologize, that comment was meant for someone elses comment. Yes I cut and pasted from yours, but it was a mistake. I will continue to look for the one I was after. It seems to be gone.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/05/2011

Chrissey, you need to seriously settle down. I took a quote from someone else, and I thought it was from another person. Apparently the person I thought I was taking it from REMOVED her post. It was clearly written that she was sedating her kids on flights to shut them the fuck up. I thought that one was it. My bad, but NOT bad on the point I was making.

Vegemite - posted on 07/05/2011

What's so funny Dana? The baby with colic, the mother who is being put down for caring for her baby with colic or the slip on reality some people here seem to have.