Should Sesame Street have segments about breastfeeding?

Michele - posted on 01/11/2012 ( 368 moms have responded )

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Sesame Street has shown segments that involve breastfeeding in the 70s and 80s. Those haven't been shown and a montage of babies has had the breastfeeding picture edited out.

There is a petition asking SS to promote breastfeeding again. What do you think?

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Vicki - posted on 02/04/2012

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Back on track then...



SS should include breastfeeding because:

- the show has included every other aspect of baby care with the adoption of baby Marco.

- the show often focuses on everyday things such as washing clothes, preparing food, cleaning etc. Breastfeeding is an everyday thing.

- Breastfeeding rates in the 1st world are terrible, part of the reason is that it's not normalised in our culture. If it's shown on such a popular show as SS it helps children, who become teenagers who become adults then often parents to see breastfeeding as normal not shameful.

- Breastfeeding is not akin to urinating, pooing or having sex. If we hide it away people will continue to believe it is something shameful.

- SS could easily show bfing without showing an inch of skin, therefore no chance of anyone's eyes burning or falling out.

- The current generation of adults in the 1st world seem to be, on the whole, prudish, afraid of their bodies, blame women for being raped (because if men can SEE their bodies it's the women's fault). This attitude is seriously twisted. Anything that can change attitudes is a plus.

Merry - posted on 02/04/2012

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If someone gets aroused by watching me eat a hot dog should I use a cover over my head to eat it?

If I get aroused watching a man wander around with his shirt off in a park should he not be allowed to go topless?

It's not MY job to make sure everyone else feels happy and platonic. If they don't like it they can look away and if they like it too much I'll ask them to walk away lol.



Its so not my concern if my feeding my child arouses some stranger

Johnny - posted on 02/04/2012

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Well, if the reasoning for hiding breastfeeding is that women aren't legally allowed to expose their breasts. Then not a single Canadian has that reason. We can go topless anywhere a man can. But I digress,



I simply fail to understand this huge breast fear. Who cares if kids see a bit of boob. What? Are their eyes going to fall out? Really, this just seems very silly. They are being used to feed babies. A practice older than humans. Throughout the majority of human history, until just the mid point of the last century, all babies were fed at the breast. Only the royalty of some societies avoided it. Everyone grew up seeing breastfeeding and there was no measured harm as a result. So if it does not cause harm, then what could possibly be the source of your concern? Are you worried your kids will be comparing how nice mommy's boobies are to another moms? LOL.



Where I live, most women do breastfeed, and I see it all the time. In restaurants, malls, coffee shops, even on the bus. I can assure you that our children are growing up just fine, moral, and upstanding with their eyeballs intact.



I just can not help but find this fear of public breastfeeding simply mock-able and ridiculous.

Krista - posted on 01/11/2012

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I think it would be great and fine. They don't even have to PROMOTE it, per se. Just show it once in awhile as a matter-of-fact, natural thing. That was the beauty about how they showed it in the 70's...it was so unforced, and there wasn't a big agenda behind it. It was just another part of life.

Sherri - posted on 02/04/2012

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Meme I do understand where you are coming from and why you are so defensive trust me I had to learn quickly to let a disagreement with others or feeling ganged up on roll off. There have been many threads I have been in the minority but then there are many where we will almost all agree and come together and solidify. It kind of is a give and take.



Nobody means anything personally against you, they really are just strong in their beliefs that differ from yours and they will voice it.



I think we need to let this one go and move back to what the OP's original question actually was.

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MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/06/2012

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Oh and I am a debater...as I am sure you all can see. I haven't left yet. ;)

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/06/2012

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Yes I agree Janice. I just wanted to explain to others that have posted that "too many women are paranoid of their bodies and that they worry too much that they are showing too much in public during breastfeeding", why this may be. I wanted it to be understood, it is more than likely due to us "Mom's" that have taught them to not reveal their stuff... It has been said countless times that maybe if we all publicly breastfed, people would feel more comfortable with it. I am saying that if you were brought up being told to watch what you are wearing, it is more than likely going to affect how you feel about publicly breastfeeding, not for all but for many and is more than likely why you don't see as many doing it publicly as one would hope (I did not say that those that do breastfeed publicly were not taught properly, so don't mix my words, anyone). It also does not mean, that because you don't see as many doing it publicly, as one would hope, that it isn't done by many many mother's privately. Everyone I know but a very select few (2 to be exact), breastfeed or have breastfed. I think it is a misconception, that if we don't see it, it doesn't happen.



Marketing has veered directly towards breastfeeding, even the large formula corporations promote breast milk over their product. They tell every mom that reads their brochures (I read every one of them) that breast milk is best but if you need to use formula theirs is best as a 2nd option to breast milk. I believe that breastfeeding is big and has come a very long way. Just because there are private feeders and we don't see them does not mean it isn't widely practiced.



Although, yes, if you are taught that your breasts are for more than a sexual entity and good for feeding your babies too, it is more likely you will breastfeed but as you and I have both said, it doesn't mean if you are not taught about it you won't breastfeed. It also doesn't mean if you are taught you will. Parents and schools need to ensure they are teaching this as the best possible for you to do for your future baby, plain and simple... ;) If you feel comfortable with publicly breastfeeding that is wonderful, if you don't it is just wonderful you do it for your baby and yourself... ;)



I understand the nit picking but like I said before, respectful is key. There are many here that are very respectful about how they debate, there are others that would prefer to call you names (liar) to fight their battles. I don't have time for that crap. If you have nothing good to say then I think it is best to not say it! I have been on many debate's and have attended political ones, they do not call the opposing side names, they simply come back with a good come back, a tactful one, one that makes the other side think. I have noticed some here, have nothing good to come back with, so they resort to ignorance and hatred. I most definitely do not have time for that, I get enough of it from dealing with a teenager! ;)

Jodi - posted on 02/06/2012

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Meme, this is a debate...of course we're going to nitpick comments, and not just yours. Trust me, we all get you agree that NIP is ok, that SS should show both or neither. But the whole point of debate is to discuss not...for some that means popping on and giving their 2 cents and moving on. For others, it means really debating and discusing the topic, beating that horse to death if you will. Yes, the debate might evolve, yes it might get heated, yes we might get nitpicky. It's nothing personal, it's the nature of the debate.



As for teenage girls, I get what your saying, and in some aspects it is a catch 22. And my opinion on this is rather theorhetical since my oldest child (a girl) is only 3! But, I think there is a difference between dressing provacatively, and purposefully "showing off the goods" if you will, and feeding a child...which just happens to entail using a breast that will have to see the sunlight of day (or at least mine...it's the only time the girls "get out"! lol) in order to do so. Like I said, I dont' have a teenager, I don't know how I will handle that situation one day, but right now, in my perspective, there's a difference between the two. But I can see your point for sure, it's not an easy answer.

Janice - posted on 02/06/2012

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I understand what your saying Meme.

However, this post really isn't about how much skin is appropriate to show while breastfeeding but instead whether or not exposure to breastfeeding - well covered or not - is appropriate for young children.



Your daughter has seen you breastfeed and therefore most likely will not be "grossed out" by the thought of feeding her own children that way. You can teach a teenager that it is not appropriate to expose your breasts in any situation and still teach them that using your breasts to feed your child is okay.



Your daughter is at an age where she is understanding that breasts are sexual and thats normal. And I think most mothers are like you and would teach their daughter not to overexpose herself. However, if this is the ONLY thing she learns about her breast - they are for men's pleasure - than when she becomes a mother she might have a hard time using her breasts for feeding her child.



Of course some women never have exposure to breastfeeding and still choose it but I think having exposure makes the choice easier.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/06/2012

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I knew nothing about breastfeeding until I was 22, when I had my daughter. For me it was instinct to want to breastfeed. She was the most beautiful lil' baby and I wanted nothing more than to have her as close to me as possible. I never saw it on any show, in public and my mother never ever talked about it because I was not breastfed. I never learnt about it in school or from friends. It was an internal instinct for me, I just knew it was the best for my children.



How many times have you told your teen daughter to cover up? Don't dress provocative? What does this tell them? In my opinion it tells them to hide their boobs and whatever else they are revealing but on the other hand you want them to not be ashamed to have their boob out in public to breastfeed... It is a catch 22, it is important for them to understand and know about breastfeeding, absolutely.



I for one am in the midst right now of having to explain to my 13 year old that she cannot go to her school dance with her shirt so low cut that when she bends over her boobs fall out and that she cannot go with her skirt so short that when she bends over you can see her woowoo. She must wear an appropriate shirt and she must wear shorts beneath a short skirt. I have to explain to her that if she dresses like that the boys and girls are going to make remarks that she is slutty and easy! How am I then to tell her but when she breastfeeds she can have her boob out? This is something she will need to learn on her own and something she will need to decide on her own, if she is comfortable with it or not. If she is, that is OK, if she is not that is OK too. It does not mean she will not breastfeed, quit the contrary, she more than likely will because I did and she witnessed it first hand, not because I breastfed in public or in private but because I breastfed in general. However, when you have a teenage daughter, the most important thing is teaching her what is and isn't appropriate in regards to attire.



Don't take my comment here the wrong way, I did NOT say if you breastfeed in public you are trashy! I said it is a catch 22 when teaching your teenage daughter about self awareness....

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/06/2012

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Ah, OK Krista, sorry misunderstood again, since I only said I had "seen" it in these places. I never said I see it all the time, every time I go. I am usually quit thorough with my examples, I would have stated that it was all the time, if it was what I meant. Everyone has been saying they have never saw it, I was simply stating that I have and those are the places I have seen it... ;)



Who else wants to nit pick at my comments? Anyone? Christ sake, get over it. I said I have seen it, that's all, my god, again, I can't have an opinion that there is no need to show it all?? It is my opinion, I get each of your opinions and I AGREE with them, I just wanted to throw my little, minute, thought that pertained to what I have seen and that it would be nice for those that do show everything, to be more discrete. If I had known you guys would have a conniption over such a small variance to what you were saying I may have not bothered. Then again, I probably would have since it is an opinion I have...



Although, I am sure it wouldn't be such on SS, I am sure it would be very tasteful. I have also already said, that if they are going to show one variation of feeding a baby they should show the other.



I have a feeling, yes a feeling, you would prefer to just agree with each other and be done with it. I am agreeing with all of you, just with a small, little twist. ;)

Janice - posted on 02/06/2012

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Will a pre-schooler remember seeing breastfeeding on SS? No they probably wont. They wont grow up and think 'I saw BFing on a show when I was 4 so thats how I will feed my babies.' However, we do learn things in our early years. We dont remember exactly when or how, we just know. If young children are exposed to breastfeeding regularly they will grow to learn that it is just normal. It is if they are older and see it that is when they think it is strange. Or they may feel uncomfortable because they only ever saw breasts as a private or sexual body part.



I personally know women who as adults now understand the benefits of breastfeeding but can not get past the fact that breasts are sexual. If they had been exposed to breastfeeding as a child this may not be the case.

A mom who adopts and uses formula may never think to purposefully teach her child that there is more than 1 way to feed a baby. That is why it is important to have breastfeeding done openly (not over exposure) in both public and media settings.

Krista - posted on 02/06/2012

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I could be wrong, but I don't think she was trying to be a b**ch, which is how you're making seem.



Exactly. When I try to be a bitch, it's pretty much unmistakeable.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/06/2012

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I didn't either, which is why I asked her if she was saying I didn't see it. She did remark that she has been at the same malls plenty of times and never saw it, that tells me she is, perhaps, questioning my eyes. It was an honest question I asked; asking if that is what she was meaning, that's all.



Now, Kate, did call me a liar.. LOL but it's all good...



I guess I lied again, since I said I would digress and move on to another thread. LOL

Krista - posted on 02/06/2012

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"But why does it matter anyhow, Krista feels that since she doesn't notice these things, no one else does (in her opinion)"



I'll thank you to stop putting words in my mouth. That's not what I was saying.



MeMe...you're reading WAY too much into my statement. I wasn't arguing or trying to make a larger point about BF in public.



I was just surprised, because you made it sound as though Mic Mac and Halifax Shopping Centre are just teeming with women who take their entire shirt off in order to breastfeed. And I was just honestly commenting that I've never actually witnessed that, and goodness knows I've spent QUITE a bit of time at both of those malls.



In fact, I was trying to be fucking CHARITABLE, by saying that perhaps it was just me...that perhaps I was just unobservant.

Jodi - posted on 02/06/2012

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Meme, I for one didn't take Krista's post as calling you out as a liar. She said, in the second part of her first paragraph, that she really isn't focusing on those around her, therein, saying you could be seeing things she just isn't. She also conceded, that it's par for the course in a way, using her examples of teenage butts, old man mastication and preschool porkery. I just don't think you need to be offended or feel attacked by her statement, I could be wrong, but I don't think she was trying to be a b**ch, which is how you're making seem.



Again, I really feel SS should be showing breastfeeding on their show...even if it's just a mom sitting on the steps in front of her building or on a park bench when Grover is walking by talkin' about near and far with Cookie Monster. It's about making it "normal", so that maybe one day, it won't even be a debatable topic, it would be akin to debating about whether to breath through your nose or mouth. lol

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/06/2012

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But why does it matter anyhow, Krista feels that since she doesn't notice these things, no one else does (in her opinion)... Again, why is the debate that it is important for other's to see a Mom breastfeeding in public, if the consensus here is, no one notices anyhow? That doesn't make any sense, just pointing out the major flaw in the debate here.



However, I digress. Honestly this thread has gone over an beyond what it was suppose to and I have explained my side, very well, I might add. You can argue with yourselves, if that makes any of you feel better. Have a great day and see you on the next thread. ;)

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/06/2012

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LOL - yep that's what I am doing Kate... it's all made up... it's all in-factual! Go figure, I think you are making up that you have never saw it... ;)



Petty petty - here we go again.. Grow up will ya!

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2012

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"...Are you trying to say I didn't see what I saw??"



Yup, I am. I have never seen a woman with her whole top off or both breasts out or in some other form or fashion exposing herself just to feed her baby. I think you're making it up.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/06/2012

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Yes Krista, I am very observant. Sorry if you feel people aren't. Not everyone is observant or as observant as I. I see them with their pants down too and I let them know, could care less if they are from Spryfield, Fareview, Gottingten or the Darkside of HRM (Dartmouth).....The fact is the pants down around their knee's started in prison, so men could let other's know they are available, so I let the young ones know what they are hinting at by doing so, maybe, just maybe, they will pull them up.;)



In addition, I highly doubt they (the mothers)"hang around" all day, perhaps you just weren't there when I was. Are you trying to say I didn't see what I saw?? You may not be a people watcher, I am, so is my husband and so are many people I know.... I find it interesting to see how other's communicate and act, it is a part of why I am sooo observant. However, you must be observant or you would not notice the other's you just pointed out. ;) And if you are insinuating that no one notices a mother breastfeeding then what is the argument (debate) here? I mean if no one is going to notice anyhow as you have suggested, why is it important for other's to see (if no one is watching, they are reading their paper or enjoying their friends company instead), I thought the argument was that it would teach children and teens that it is OK to breastfeed?



Again, I think it is fine to do and a baby needs to eat, so go for it where ever you are...

Hope - posted on 02/06/2012

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For sure, why not. It is a natural thing. We have become an over sexed and over protective society. My boys know all about it. They know there is milk in Mummy boobs and that there little brother drinks it. My middle boy (3) tells when his brother needs a drink of milk because he is crying. I also use a bottle at times, if I have had a couple of drinks the night before or Daddy gives him a bottle when I am not there. I am pro breast feeding in public. I do it if I need to. Do I flop them around for the world to see, no way.

Krista - posted on 02/06/2012

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You must be a hell of a lot more observant than me, MeMe. 'Cause I've been to Mic Mac and Hfx Shopping Centre many a time, and have never seen a mother with everything hanging out. Mind you, if I'm alone at the mall, I tend to just read a magazine while I eat, and if I'm with people, I focus on them, not on who's around me.



*shrug* I figure if I'm at the mall, part and parcel of that is looking at things I don't want to see, whether it's some old man chewing with his mouth open, a bunch of Spryfield boys with their pants hanging down below their ass, or some mom buying a whining, obese preschooler an order of poutine from New York Fries.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/06/2012

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I agree with all of you and have said time and time again I did. I said, there is nothing wrong with breasfeeding in public, just be thoughtful of others and only show what is needed. What is needed means whatever you need to feed your baby. It does not mean hide everything, it means show what is needed. Like I have said over the past 5 pages in this thread I have literally seen mothers, of course none of them being any of you - unless you live in Halifax, NS and go to the Halifax Shopping Centre or Mic Mac Mall - mom's pretty much take their entire shirt off to feed their "one" baby (I am a C cup, my boobs are not small, I do not need to take my shirt off). That's all. I also said that SS should show a mother breastfeeding if they show a baby eating from a bottle. I was just reminding that a bottle could also have breast milk in it, I didn't say don't breastfeed....



However, I have also seen the posters with a breastfeeding mom but it is not a physical entity, it is not an actual person sitting beside them in the mall. However, as I just said above, there is nothing wrong with it, my children were breastfed and my daughter was 12 when her brother arrived, I sat on my couch for 3 months and breastfed, including when my daughter was there. My boobs hung out, they were rarely covered but I am her Mom and this is our home.... She has also fed her brother a bottle, so she is aware of both. She would not be offended to see a mother breastfeeding but she may be if she had more than what was needed exposed. She has also seen butt cracks, women with skirts that when they walk you can see "everything" and she does comment on how untasteful such a thing is. As a matter in fact it happened the other day while at the mall, I told the woman that she is a bit too old to be showing her muffin and that she should really put it away! That there are children and they do not need to see her puss. However, my daughter would not have the same reaction with a breastfeeding mom but she may comment or wonder why they would need to have their shirt over their head (again, I have seen this, I am not saying it was any of you).



We have a diverse culture of people in my work place (Government Building and office), so the comment about how they dress or the choices they make for their religion is just that, a part of their religion and if I am going to live in Canada, then it must be respected. Although, they had better respect our ways as well...



I will repeat, SS should show breastfeeding if they must show a baby eating from a bottle. Although, I do fail to see how a toddler is going to remember such a segment when they are grown. I don't know any teenagers that watch SS, so really, it is up to the parents and schools to reiterate the different practices of feeding a baby too. My daughter has learnt about breastfeeding and the benefits within her grade 6 and 7 class. It is now a part of their health education, which, in my opinion is absolutely wonderful. They are not going to learn anything other than people do it by seeing others, which is still a good thing but, it is more important as parents to ensure they are explained the benefits to breastfeeding.



I believe I have explained myself fairly well. I am sure there is something in my above comment that someone is still going to find offensive, sorry for that, it is not intended. ;)

Jodi - posted on 02/05/2012

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Very true and valid points Maree. But really, the only part of the breast that actually *could* be seen nursing and not from just some random Jane Doe walking down the street is the nipple. That's in bubs mouth 99% of the time. Plus, I've seen a few fashion oopsies out in public! lol Granted, those are oopsies (or so I choose to believe).



I don't feel there's a need to see a whole breast either whilst breastfeeding, but I've never seen anyone nurse in a manner I would deem "indecent". Sure, it happens where bub unlatches and if you're *watching* you'll get a glance of some real boob action, but I've only ever seen women nursing in a manner that I found completely appropropriate. Most of the time, 99% of the time, I think the average Joe (or Jane) is going to walk right by a nursing mum and not think twice that it's a mum holding a sleeping baby. As for the other 1%, well, there are always going to be "those" people. Those people that talk on their cell phones too loud, that say inappropriate things, that oggle women, that dress a bit too scantily and that show a bit too much boob. But, they are the exception in my experience and not worth all this hub bub about breastfeeding rights and acceptance.

Maree - posted on 02/05/2012

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Jodi and Jodi are right but i think the ONLY issue meme had was that the breast is a private part of the body that she thinks should not be exposed,wherever possible. I don't think it's about bf-ing being wrong or something that shouldn't be taught about but simply a matter of not showing the actual breast....the problem is that it is virtually impossible to hide it completely and there really is no need for that in my opinion.

I too,think...be offended all you like but ignore it if you don't like it,however,some people refuse to just turn the other way and insist on telling people to cover up....giving them ways in which they could cover up,telling them they should stay home,that they are disgusting,rude and giving perverts a reason to perve...this can cause a whole lot of resentment towards the people that say these things

Jodi - posted on 02/05/2012

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Okay, I have read a butt-ton of posts, but not all...that would take me all night! I do see a recurring sentiment among those that feel that breastfeeding in public is or can be in one form or another, offensive to others. I keep coming back to the same thoughts when I read this, and not just on this thread, but everywhere.



Some people are offended by the entire muslim religion, but I would never expect a muslim person to nto dress appropriately to their religion (for those that choose to follow that particular practice, I do understand many, if not most muslims conform to a more "American" dress code.) just to save someone the offence of seeing another religion. We have many Amish in my area, I wouldn't expect them to start driving cars, or wearing designer clothing just because some people might feel "offended" by it. How about Christains? I don't ask that they not wear cross necklaces, or rings or earings. I don't really adore peircings or tattoos, but I don't think they should have to be covered to save someone from being offended. even if someone had a swastika tattooed on their forehead, it's thier right. I would be seriously offended by that, but I wouldn't ask them to remove it, or cover it. I would use it as an opportunity to teach my child about intolerance. (I view white supremacists as intolerant people.)



I take the opportunity to teach my daughter about the Amish when she asks why that man wears suspenders and a hat, or why that little girl doesn't have a swimsuit. I use the opportunity of seeing a turban to teach my daughter about another culture, I use the opportunity of seeing a baby breast or bottle fed to teach her about different ways to care for a baby. In the end, it isn't up to anyone to change their lifestyle to save anyone from being offended, it's up to us to tolerate it, look the other way, or hopefully, just accept it for what it is and teach our children that it's part of what makes this world so great.



Whether we like it or not, our children notice the world around us. They notice breatss, and butt cracks, they notice blonde hair, brown hair or pink hair. They notice black skin, white skin or brown skin. They notice clothes, they notice cars, they notice when we avoid talking about something. You can certainly be offended by stuff, it happens, you can choose to ignore it, to not teach your child about it, to wait to teach your child about it. But our children are exposed to so much already, breastfeeding is just a tiny thing IMO that really shouldn't be nearly as huge an issue as we make.



So yes, I think it SS is going to show bottle feeding, then they too should show breastfeeding.



*ETA I'm sorry if someone covered this part of it, or if this was "resolved" I began skimming posts a lot, especially the long ones! lol Sorry!

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Who here teaches their children where the milk from the fridge comes from? I know I do. My kids have always understood that our milk carton in the fridge contains milk that comes from a cow. they understand their meat is chicken, cow, pig, whatever it is we are eating. I think it is important that children understand where their food comes from. It is a valuable lesson for an ongoing relationship with nutrition and food over their lifetime.



So why is it a secret, or why should we hide from our children, where milk comes from for babies? Because the breast has been sexualised in modern times in Western society?



Do I prevent my children watching documentaries about African culture because there are breasts? No, I don't. I think it is important for them to understand various cultural customs and values. Which is the same reason I can't see any harm in allowing a child to watch a program where there are breastfeeding mothers. It is only the adults in our society who make an issue of it. Our children will only ever make an issue of it if we do, because WE are the ones who make it "not normal". If we, as adults, can grow up and stop with our snickering over a nipple or a breast, then our children would not have an issue with it in the least. After all, we are modeling the behaviour.

Stifler's - posted on 02/05/2012

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I don't really understand why they can't show a breast either. My 2 year old sees my breasts all the time. And yeah breastfeeding posters are all over the hospital here as well and they show boobs/nipples.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/05/2012

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I've seen posters in some of the clinics here in town showing breast feeding. I saw them all over WIC offices back in New York too- large ones with the mom actually feeding the baby and you see the boob *gasp*

Maree - posted on 02/05/2012

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I get that it may well be breast milk in the bottle...i think the idea is that children see breast feeding as normal and natural. They wouldn't be aware of what is in the bottle so showing a woman feeding a baby a bottle...no matter what is in it,will not have the desired affect which is normalizing breast feeding. The child would see the bottle and i would think at age 3 to 5, most likely assume it is milk out of the fridge...why would they think it has come from the breast when they have never seen it before???



This is exactly why i think it can only ever be a good thing for kids of ALL ages to see breast feeding,whether it is family,friends or strangers at the mall...i think they should see that ALL people breast feed...not just their own mother ,friendor Aunt...It doesn't really NEED to be on a kids show but i think it does NEED to be taught somehow, kids shows are a great place to start.

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So what if it is breastmilk in the bottle though? I don't see why it's not important to show a woman feeding from the breast but it's ok to show bottle feeding.

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OK - sorry Jodi, where you and I have had countless negative interaction over a few differing threads, I took that comment as being catty... I did not mean anything by my reply, just a smartass remark for something seeming smartass from you. That is one issue with virtual talking, it is not always an honest way to be able to preceive what the other one is saying or in what tone. I was mistaken and I do appologize. ;)



Megan - I don't like shopping, so for me that is something I could careless about. However, my husband LOVES shopping, so he gets the rolling eyes from me... LOL But, I do ALL the shopping otherwise we would have things bought that are not required! hehehee

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"Although, my 13 year old is a girl, I am a lady or woman, which ever you prefer. "



Good God MeMe, I was trying to be NICE and steer the conversation back it the direction is should go. But you can't help but put in some stupid bitchy little comment, can you? How very pathetic. And you wonder why people respond to you the way they do.......

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I will recopy what I wrote above, to stay on track... Although, my 13 year old is a girl, I am a lady or woman, which ever you prefer. ;) Thanks...



Go SS, I can see how important having segments of breastfeeding may be to some here. So, I change my view (slightly), since they show bottle feeding then, yes, they should show a mother breastfeeding. Just remember, it could be breast milk in the bottle, no one said it was formula, I am sure SS doesn't say what type of milk it is. However, it isn't right to show only one side. I agree with that. Although, honestly, they really shouldn't show either but if they are going to show one way then they should show the other...

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Now you see my husband had a time laughing at most of the threads on here including the time we were told we should go to jail for allowing our 7 year old to be in the same apartment where Halo Reach was played and when a few people were told we were fake simply because someone doesn't know the lot of us personally



I have female friends though and I like having them. I miss the friends I had back in New York and I keep in contact with them because as much as I love my husband I want someone who can go shoe shopping with me and not roll his eyes...come to think of it I have a few female friends who are like that.



What I do find funny is that some of the same women who complain about other women being catty are the catty ones. I'm not about to point fingers or name names though.



Back on the subject, if someone is nursing in public don't make a big deal. If SS wants to do the show then great. If not, then this is what we have breast feeding moms for.

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Do you girls want to get another thread shut down altogether? There has already been a warning to get back on topic, and you are on the right path to have it locked and receive warnings yourselves, so can you please just leave it alone and move on?

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Maree, you got it! This is why I am OK with virtually discussing topics with women but in all honesty I am not very interested in having women friends. Besides my husband is my best friend, he is sooo awesome. He laughed his ass off when I told him about this thread and what was said to me. He told me (since I am a Computer Science Engineer) to just go make my own site but I told him fuck that, I don't need to be the liason and larger part of some petty shit that I now see happens, even virtually... I just stay clear of women in the real world as companions, for the exact same reasons you just stated and for the exact same reasons that were just examplified in this thread. I have a very select few of great women friends but they know who I am and they know I am a straight shooter. They truly respect that in me and appreciate that they could come to me for anything and never ever be judged but they will get an earful of what I think. ;) I do not settle for anything less than respect and no one else should either (unless you try to fuck me, act better than me or disrespect me as a person). Then I could be your worst nightmare... ;) I simply, don't fuck around. End of story!

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As i said Rebecca,i had not seen your last post.



I agree and thanks for your comments.



I am the type who,although i get worked up when challenged (don't we all)...It bothers so much more when i see someone else getting bullied or picked on...i am looking from the outside in and see their points even if i don't agree.



I see them trying again and again to explain and people constantly twisting their words...



I know i have been judgmental and not wanted to see others points of view...yes i have called people names and they have called me names but it bothers me a lot to see someone who is in the minority with their views being bullied...it's one thing for me to say things to a "majority"...and they all have each others back where as i am alon....it is another to see someone who is sort of in the position that i am usually in where no one has their back and they are getting nasty comments left right and centre...then to top it all off...are called a "troll" and pushed out...that's pretty shit !!!!

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Maree, I have never ever called you a name. However, you did call me a Grub.;) You were calling working mothers loser's and saying that they do not know how to properly raise their children because they work, especially of they choose to work when they don't need to. You then came back and said you were sorry for the nasty comments you made, you appologized and admitted that you type before you think. You agreed that you can be nasty and disrespectful and you made this claim to more than just me. However, your tone has changed to the better and it is very nice to see, as it shows you are a good person. I on the other hand was agreeing with everyone here, except, I voiced that those that have no problem with baring all when breatfeeding in public should perhaps be mindful of others and try to show as little as possible or just show what is needed. I even said, that it may not pertain to anyone on this thread. I don't know anyone personally, this is a virtual place, so I cannot say anyone here shows all. I was speaking of those that I have seen reveal both breasts or entire breasts just to feed their baby while in public and I commented respectfully.



I am not sorry for anything I said, I am not sorry for my beliefs and I most definitely did not act in a disrespectful manner. Others may regard my difference of opinion as being disrespectful, however, their perception would not hold up outside of the clique.



I have read on other sites very negative comments about this site, although, I am not one to take others word with a grain of salt, I wanted to see for myself. I am an adult and I respect others, even if I do not agree with them (unless they blantenly bash me). I too have beliefs and very strong ones but I never said breastfeeding was wrong nor did I say it was inappropriate to do in a public place (I breastfed both of my children), I am simply thinking of others that may not be comfortable with it. However, I have said my piece on it and could careless thruthfully. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter what anyone here thinks (me or the next person), SS is not going to change how they do things because of some mothers with strong opinions. They definitely wouldn't be bullied to do so....



Again, I repeat, I have never disrespected anyone, on this thread or any other thread, unless they have outrightenly disrespected me, then the gloves are off (so to speak). I do not play that way. It's all good, I do not feel bad, it is hard to break my spirit, actually impossible. No one here knows my life story and unfortunately never will if they feel the need to hate. I know who I am and am very happy with me as a mother, wife and individual. I will say this though, if it happens again there will be recourse. This is a forum for "all" and if I am or anyone else is to disagree and become bullied there is an issue with that. There are rules to this site (and all internet practices) and if they are not upheId to a certain degree, a much larger action may be prusued. It is uncalled for and I as an adult will not tolerate it, if I will not tolerate it for my children I most definitely will not allow other adults bully, bash or harrass me or anyone within my awareness.



I came to this site simply because it was linked to FB and it looked appealing. I am a very experienced Mother (as many here most likely are) and have done a lot in my life. I have been on my own since 18 and have struggled to get to where I am today. I was interested in virtually meeting other Mom's that perhaps shared the same interests as myself or even those that did not, since I may learn something from either side. I am not afraid to learn or improve myself for the better. Even though I was forwarned by comments of others from other sites, I was still interested. I, like many other Mom's enjoy interaction with other Mom's and am keen on hearing their good stories and/or hardships and I enjoy a good debate (respectful mannered ones). I may be able to take something good away from their stories or provide valuable advice for their hardships, that perhaps I have been through as well. However, I will not agree with other's just because they want me to. It just doesn't work that way. I also will not shut up just because they want me to. I will however always hold my demeanor and be respectful, as long as I too am receiving the same respectful attention.



That's it, that's all and that is how it goes for me...



Go SS, I can see how important having segments of breastfeeding may be to some here. So, I change my view (slightly), since they show bottle feeding then, yes, they should show a mother breastfeeding. Just remember, it could be breast milk in the bottle, no one said it was formula, I am sure SS doesn't say what type of milk it is. However, it isn't right to show only one side. I agree with that. Although, honestly, they really shouldn't show either but if they are going to show one way then they should show the other...

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Hasn't this thread been shut down once because of bickering. I thought it was going back on topic.



Well, if it is going down the tubes anyway...



You know, I think it is an adjustment to come on DMs at first. Everyone who is drawn to this board has some sort of passion for an issue, their belief system or just debating. If you have a fire under you about any of those things, it is likely, on a board like DM, that the other people who are just as fired up about differing things, they are going to use the tools they have to debate you aggressively.



When you land on this board, suddenly your thrown out of the pond and into the ocean as far as it be an international site. What might pass in a your smaller circle at home as accepted truth and standards may have no relation to what the majority of folks here think. That doesn't mean what you think isn't as enlightened, it may mean it is more forward thinking..who knows..it just means it may be a bit of a shock to the system of a newbie. It may mean that the newbie might start to think that everyone must hate them and their opinion does not matter.



I'm all for big opinions that differ than mine in a debate, it makes it exciting. What I hate and why I don't come here as often as I used to, is the whole taking it personally and personal vendetta stuff.



I think, if you stay awhile, you will see that the people who have been here forever are the ones who are more middle of the road types....and yeah, they tend to all more or less agree sometimes. The people who are a bit less middle of the road, who come out with knives and venom from the beginning, they tend to self destruct and leave. Some stay and learn to be more constructive, more subtle and take things less personally - I know I did.



I look at this as the price of admission to the fun game here. If you want to play, learn the rules and play within them. If not....you can be upset, pissed off and never get to the fun part of exercising you brain with other adults (something that so many of us moms don't always get to do with young children at home).



And that's about all I gotta say about it...I hope you take that in. If you don't, that's cool too. Changes are, if that's the case, you'll probably self destruct and go away soon. I hope that's not what happens. The board needs differing opinions presented in constructive ways.

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It's all about the style. The style of whipping out a massive tit versus the stlye of discreetly nursing.



The style of parenting: expose a child to nursing or not.



Oh, and it's all about the style of carefully worded posts. The style of grammar, spelling-ya know those pesky American who omit the letter 'u', style of language (mom/mum), and style of passionate words towards the topic.

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Oh here we go again....I don't care about those people,but apparently Meme does...and she says she feels bullied,picked on,in the minority and called names for having a different opinion......ON A DEBATE !!!!!!!



Yes i do feel those things,but knowing that someone is doing that...and giving a shit...are VERY different !!!



I was saying to her that if in fact,she is upset about it then she should maybe look at the fact that she is also part of the gang at times...probably most times...



I am not upset at anything anyone has said to me....i'm not that sensitive and have enough confidence in who i am to not be offended or to feel bullied. I find it funny that the troll comment comes up all the time and i agree with meme that it is so stupid and is an attempt to bully people that are in the minority.....doesn't mean it affects me personally.Also that if you get a reputation for being judgmental,from then on and probably forever...you get comments like yours...that have NOTHING to do with anything,brought up over and over and over again...because people seem to have nothing to do but bring up irrellevant crap constantly....i suppose now you will remind me AGAIN that i "laugh" at people for making excuses??? Get over it already!!!!!!!



The topic is SS and breast feeding in case in all the excitement about my comments you forgot.....maybe focus on that before the thread gets locked.

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That's a crying shame, Maree, that all of those fake, pretend people that you don't care about are picking on you...

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Meme, i know all about being in the minority on here...



I know all about having women gang up...or that's what it feels like anyway.



I have been open and honest about my opinions and have been called a troll,judgmental bitch,bad mother etc...nasty comments have been made to me and some of them by you !!!



All of this is completely fine by me,like you said "i will not change my opinion,this is a debate forum"... true...but when you feel you have been picked on and attacked (which you may well have)just remember that you have also done it to other people. It doesn't feel good does it???



You have to accept that at times you WILL be the minority and either "pretend" to agree with others and be fake....or risk being attacked !!



I hope you can understand just a little,how i have felt on here when i have been up against 20 women who disagree with me(you included) and basically get pushed out because i don't agree with them...The more i try to explain,the more i cop it....get laughed at...have words put in my mouth....to the point that i give up...EVERY TIME.



As far as breast feeding goes...

I cover up,for my own comfort...but i sure as hell don't expect anyone else to. I think if they really were flashing their boobs which i highly doubt,then maybe they are doing it to annoy people who are so disgusted and offended...like you !!! If people say silly things like "you should bf at home,in a toilet,or cover yourself up"...i don't blame people that say "stuff this,i'll feed however i want" and make a point of NOT hiding..



I don't think that SS should show boobs flopping out all over the place....but really,sometimes it is impossible to hide it.

You say that all the baby needs is a nipple...well maybe you need to invent clothes and bra's that ONLY open at the the nipple !!! Last i checked,the WHOLE bra cup flaps open and clothes either button down or you have to lift it up....you simply CANNOT only expose the nipple,no matter how hard you try....and God forbid a woman has massive boobs !!!! What then ???? I have seen women with huge ones that are bigger than the babies head...how exactly do you cover that up? It's like a huge balloon all over the babies face and they struggle to make sure the baby can breathe !! Don't think it would be such a good idea to put a sheet over the babies head...maybe she should stay home for the first 6 months...or even better,just put it on the bottle so she can have a little freedom !!



It's attitudes like this that cause women to lack the confidence to breast feed or to feel like it's all too hard. It is a shame that in 2012,breast feeding NEEDS to be normalised...what the hell is wrong with people ???



If such a normal thing like bf-ing is shown on tv...whether it is kids tv or otherwise,then maybe the breast feeding rates would not be so shockingly low...

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I'm just going to say if anyone sexually harrassed me while I was breastfeeding my baby I would probably have to go back to the American consolate to have some American judge help me in Canada. Because I would beat the person. Or have DH do it and save a trip to Vancouver.

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"The current generation of adults in the 1st world seem to be, on the whole, prudish, afraid of their bodies, blame women for being raped (because if men can SEE their bodies it's the women's fault). This attitude is seriously twisted. Anything that can change attitudes is a plus."



Yeah, I disagree with this last point. I don't think that, "on the whole" the current generation of adults blame women for being raped...nope I don't believe that to be the case.



I also don't believe that if there was even the remote chance this was true, normalizing breastfeeding on SS isn't going to stop that.



I also don't think the current gen is prudish about their bodies. Have you ever taken a quick scan of the "current generations" facebook profile pics? Shame or prudishness doesn't come to mind.

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Or here's another option: if a parent is opposed to a breastfeeding segment, change the frickin' channel! If SS incorporates this as a life lesson and any parent does not want their child exposed, turn it off. Try again in another 15 minutes and perhaps there will be a lesson on numbers or colors.



It is a parent's job to monitor what the child is exposed to anyway, whether it be on TV or in real life. So if a parent does not wish their child to be exposed to a nursing mom in real life, then you divert attention. If the nursing segment is on TV, you change the channel. If a family is comfortable with exposing a nursing mom with a baby, then watch it and have a conversation! IMO, I highly doubt the toddler has a long enough attention span to even realize what the hell is happening! Every family has different comfort levels. What I may deem as normal or needed another family might be more conservative and private. Who the hell cares, honestly? If something is on TV that *I* don't like, I change the channel!



And ya know what I'm grateful for? My son hated SS! I tried watching it with him; after all as a kid of the 70's it's what I grew up with! But he left the room every time. He never liked SS!

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Yes, Yes, Yes Vicki!



I definitely think breastfeeding should be shown on SS.

This should happen with out showing skin because, yes, some could be offended. This should happen with out "promotion" of breastfeeding as that would be inappropriate for the age of children watching. It should be shown not to say it is better but to say it is normal.



I would love to know, if SS showed a woman breastfeeding and she did not show any skin and nothing was said about beyond "some babies drink milk from their mother" would you still be upset by it?

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All very good points Vicki. It's a shame that we can't feed our babies the way nature intended just in case someone might see a bit of skin.



There is also more skin on show at the beach these days. I think it would be great for SS to show children the natural way to feed our children instead of the other shows that show women using their breasts in a sexual manner.

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Time to stop bickering ladies. Back to the OP.



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You are perfectly welcome to be here. We debate here. Vigorously. It is NOT a support community unless support is specifically requested. That is not why mothers come here. Be prepared that if your opinions offend, you are going to hear about it. If you can not handle that, you are probably in the right place.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/04/2012

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I have alot of interest in motherhood. It doesn't mean I won't agree on some things or disagree on others but for goodness sake be human to all! I have alot of experience in some places that others may not and vice versa. However, if I am not welcome than so be it, it isn't gonna make me cry... just tell me rather than hoard me with a bashing session!

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