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Jodi - posted on 05/10/2012 ( 305 moms have responded )

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Smokers' job chances up in smoke

AAPMay 11, 2012, 6:03 am
Job chances for cigarette lovers may go up in smoke with online job ads specifying they need not apply.

The ads have sparked debate about personal choice, discrimination and protecting workers health and productivity, says the Herald Sun.

Jobs published online requesting non-smoking candidates range from drivers to personal trainers, publishers, disability workers and receptionists.

The move has met with mixed reactions, with anti-smoking groups saying employers, especially hospitals and health organisations, had the right not to employ smokers.

Acting Victorian Equal Opportunity Commissioner Karen Toohey said job advertisements must not discriminate.
"Stipulating smokers need not apply for a job may be against the law. Employers should not seek to exclude smokers from applying for a position, unless the need not to smoke is an inherent requirement of the role," she told the paper.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/late...

It’s led to arguments about smokers’ productivity in the workplace. So, where do you stand? Do you think smokers should NEVER be discriminated against for their choice? Would you be happy with, for example, your child's carer being a smoker? Or should it only become an issue if the smoker is taking more than an appropriate number of breaks to feed their addiction (ie. why should they have 10 minutes every hour, if others are only taking breaks every couple of hours, etc). Would you want your kids teacher to be a smoker? What about the nurse, midwife, doctor? So IS it okay to sometimes discriminate?

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Janice - posted on 05/21/2012

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I know this debate has suddenly turned into coffee vs. cigarettes and this just popped up on my facebook news feed

http://www.news10.com/story/18440042/cof...



Even with out this article though I think the comparison is silly. If I drank coffee and then picked up a baby my breath would not harm them. If I smoked a cigarette and then picked up a baby the smoke in my clothing could definitely hurt them.

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This has gone way off tangent,but...



Dove, while I am sympathetic to your plight, I'm not exactly sure what the solution is. Smoke is just one of a gazillion possible allergens out there, and in the adult workplace, I'm not sure that employers can be responsible for eliminating all possible triggers. Scores of people have allergies to cats or other furry animals, and the severity of their reaction varies greatly. Should an employer be able to eliminate all pet owners as eligible for hire? I do my damnedest, with two dogs, I haven't a snowball's chance in hell of not carrying a fair amount of their hair on me wherever I go. If you want to work as teacher or daycare provider, should have you have to sign a blood oath that you will never again eat peanut butter while off duty? That would then eliminate even the minute potential that you may have some residual oils anywhere on your person.



Again, I don't find this issue to be one of smokers having "rights" - I just firmly believe that employers should not have the ability to police any legal habits, hobbies, or activities that their employees engage in when they are not at work.

Karen - posted on 05/21/2012

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Actually, MeMe, I can smell a smoker from across the room. I have not damaged my sense of smell, like a smoker. You are a smoker, and yet you smell the breath of a coffee drinker. You are too close. If I smell your smoke, then I am inhaling your smoke and I don't have to be next to you for that.

I don't know how your insurance works, but I know how it works when you work for a hospital. It's private insurance. It costs them more to insure a smoker. My mother works for a hospital, as did I, and that is how it is. It is why they no longer insure smokers, period.

Throwing obese people under the bus doesn't make your smoking any healthier, MeMe. Obese people "may" increase the cost, but smoking effects other people immediately and directly. No one wants to smell that. No one should have to either.

Many offices have rules about dress code and hygiene. Smoking is dirty.

Also, smoking causes some pretty serious premature aging. Not just your face but your hands and anywhere else the smoke touches. Do you sometimes hold your cig with your lip? It is all over your face. It is rude to assume other people should just be OK with that nasty habit.

Own up to how awful of a habit it is. No one cares if you want to smoke until your lips turn black, but I do care if that smoke touches me.

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Still, pumping is done to provide positive effects to a baby ... smoking is done because you enjoy your nasty little addiction and it is proven to have medically negative effects on others.

I'm sorry but one is deserving of discrimination and restrictions.

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I don't like this comparison being used between smoking and pumping. I've never heard of 2nd and 3rd hand pumping having negative effects on the health of others....

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MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/22/2012

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Toni---Also, if you are used to a smell you can't smell how bad it is, so you are used to your smoking smell you can't smell it, like the coffee drinker is used to their coffee smell.



Not true. I CAN smell the smoke on me, especially by end of day, which is why I jump in the shower. But I am with me all the time, a coworker is NOT always beside me, to smell me. I have a cubicle and there is no one else in it. the only time I am beside someone is when we are troubleshooting an issue, which is not very often.



Jodi---Why not just admit that it is a disgusting habit? Because you don't think it is, and you think you have the right to smoke where and when you like, because you can't see how it affects others.



Oh, I know it is a disgusting habit. I am pretty sure I have said that a few times in this thread already. However, I am not about to quit because some stranger or anyone else for that matter, doesn't like my disgusting habit. Since, I DO like it, a little too much.



I do NOT like the smell of any alcohol, it is a disgusting habit and I do not like people that smell like a whore house (from all the perfume/cologne they were), I also do not like the smell of coffee breath. I keep it to myself, if it bothers me that much, I take control and move. I am not responsible for others. They are responsible for themselves. You cannot smell me from across the room, I am sorry but that IS bullshit!



What I find absolutely ridiculous are non-smokers that used to be smokers. They are worse than a non-smoker that has never smoked. It is crazy how they think that just because THEY quit, that it is easy or can be done "just because" by other smokers. You know it is no different than a crack addict. I was able to quit, just like that, 14 years ago BUT it is not that simple for everyone.



So, to think that just because YOU quit smoking, does not mean the next person will have as easy of a time. I have quit three times in the past. the 1st time was for 6 months, the 2nd time was for 4 months and the 3rd time was during my 2nd pregnancy. I have not been able to do it for good, not yet anyhow. When I am damn good and ready I will but until then, it is my prerogative and no one is going to tell me that just because they don't like it, I shouldn't be doing it. Who the hell are you anyhow? If you don't like it, then don't do it. Just don't sit there and try to tell me it is affecting you and making your health worse. I am not smoking by you and as long as you are not sitting beside me day in and day out, you are NOT affected. Period.

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Jodi - posted on 05/22/2012

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"Meme if you are sitting close enough to someone to smell the coffee on their breathe (like when you share a computer) you are close enough for them to be affected by your third hand smoke. "



Exactly.



And MeMe, the way you keep explaining away your smoking habit, and negating its effects on others, and trying to compare it to coffee (of all things) you obviously have no intention of REALLY giving up (even though you keep saying you will). Instead, you just keep explaining away why you don't, why you shouldn't have to, etc. Really sounds like someone who wants to quit to me.



Why not just admit that it is a disgusting habit? Because you don't think it is, and you think you have the right to smoke where and when you like, because you can't see how it affects others.

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Meme if you are sitting close enough to someone to smell the coffee on their breathe (like when you share a computer) you are close enough for them to be affected by your third hand smoke.

Also, if you are used to a smell you can't smell how bad it is, so you are used to your smoking smell you can't smell it, like the coffee drinker is used to their coffee smell.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/21/2012

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You are not going to have ill effects from my hair or clothing UNLESS you sit in my chair OR lick my hair!

It is dangerous for small children because when people smoke in their homes (or in places where there are children) or have it on their clothing/hair/etc, the chemicals cling to their toys, the flooring of which they play/crawl and they are often being held and ingest the chemicals.

Karen---If I smell it, I am inhaling it. That is common sense. It is entering my body, therefor it is effecting me. Yes, I do believe that if you smoke, and you work so closely with other people, you should be thinking of us non smokers "all the time". It's disgusting for you to smell like that and be so close to other people.

Pollution is something that you help make, with every puff.

And you help make this everytime you drive your car or take a bus. You help make this with every aresol can you spray. You help make this with every single item that you do not recycle or compost. You help make this every time you mow your lawn. I could go on and on and on. I don't know if you have ever been in a large city, where there is smog but I can tell you right now, that smog is NOT from cigarette smoke. You and everyone there is breathing that in.

Too damn bad, if anyone does not like the fact that I do something that is legal, that they do not like. I am not going to apologize for something that I can do legally. I smoke only in designated smoking areas. Stay the hell away from them if you don't like it.

Oh and sorry but no, I do not blow smoke out my nose. lol

Again, the only way 3rd hand smoke is going to be harmful is if you are living with a smoker and/or are always around them. No one is always around me but my family. No coworker is always within my space. Do some research before ranting about something. It is extremly unlikely you smelling someones hair, is going to have any dyer health implications for you. If you are smelling someones hair, you are too close.

Third-hand smoke is smoke that clings to carpets, furniture, clothing, and drapery, therefore contaminating them with harmful toxins and carcinogens that can be acquired through first and second-hand smoke. This means that living in the same house as a smoker or spending a large amount of time around one can pose a great threat, and it can especially affect babies and toddlers, who spend a lot of time crawling and sitting on carpets and floors.

http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/meds...

"The level of toxicity in cigarette smoke is just astronomical when compared to other environmental toxins [such as particles found in automobile exhaust]," he adds, but notes that he is not aware of any studies directly linking third-hand smoke to disease [as opposed to second-hand smoke, which has been associated with disease].

Why are the risks associated with exposure to third-hand smoke different for children and adults?
The developing brain is uniquely susceptible to extremely low levels of toxins. Remember how we talked about the layers of toxin deposits on surfaces? Who gets exposure to those surfaces? Babies and children are closer to [surfaces such as floors]. They tend to touch or even mouth [put their mouths to] the contaminated surfaces. Imagine a teething infant.

Children ingest twice the amount of dust that grown-ups do. Let's say a grown-up weighs 150 pounds [68 kilograms]. Let's say a baby weighs 15 pounds [seven kilograms]. The infant ingests twice the dust [due to faster respiration and proximity to dusty surfaces]. Effectively, they'll get 20 times the exposure.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...

No where have I said smoking is good for anyone. However, sitting here and trying to make it sound as though, we smokers are harming you is utter bullshit. We are not harming you, we do not smoke in the work place. Therefore the only 3rd hand smoke available is on our body, stay away if you do not like it. It isn't going to travel across the room to you, Karen, regardless of how much you think it does.

Jodi - posted on 05/21/2012

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"Actually, this thread was initially about smokers and their productivity and this is what I am talking about. "

No, this thread is about employers choosing not to hire smokers for WHATEVER reason. Productivity happens to be just ONE of the things discussed. 3rd hand smoke very much comes into it. If your clothes and hair smell of smoke, that IS 3rd hand smoke. The reason for the smell is because particles are still clinging to you.

Karen - posted on 05/21/2012

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Well, MeMe, If you are done tooting your own horn now with all of that volunteered personal information, we can get back to the subject...

If I smell it, I am inhaling it. That is common sense. It is entering my body, therefor it is effecting me. Yes, I do believe that if you smoke, and you work so closely with other people, you should be thinking of us non smokers "all the time". It's disgusting for you to smell like that and be so close to other people. Would you be cool if someone sat next to you smelling of armpits and dirty hair? What if you had to work next to someone who smelled like that? I have seen all of your "I would tell it like it is" posts, so I know you would tell it like it is, right?

It might not effect your productivity at work, but I am sure you are no picnic to sit next to. You might think your sense of smell is fine, but I guarantee you, if you have ever blown any smoke out of your nose, even on accident, your sense of smell is damaged.
You smoke 30 cigarettes in a single day? There is no way that you can smoke 30 cigs in a day and have none of that smoke come through your nose. That is a lot of smoking.

--"Like I have said before, if you are so worried about your health and what you breathe in STOP going outside. The air is full of pollution. This is far worse for you than a casual sniff of smoke. Seriously, some of you need to get a grip and worry about yourselves."--

Pollution is something that you help make, with every puff.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/21/2012

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Karen---Also, smoking causes some pretty serious premature aging. Not just your face but your hands and anywhere else the smoke touches. Do you sometimes hold your cig with your lip? It is all over your face. It is rude to assume other people should just be OK with that nasty habit.



LOL - I can think of so many rude things people do, that to be honest, I really don't care if anyone likes that I smoke or not. If you don't like it, don't come by me. It is actually very simple. I am not an inconsiderate smoker. I think of others when I am outside. I do not walk and smoke, I duck out and smoke. If you are where smokers are, that is your problem. Gracious, are you serious people need to think of you (nonsmokers) all the time? Take responsibility for yourself. Don't expect others to do that for you. I smoke and I am not going to quite because someone else doesn't like it. I just may not like something they do.



Like I have said before, if you are so worried about your health and what you breathe in STOP going outside. The air is full of pollution. This is far worse for you than a casual sniff of smoke. Seriously, some of you need to get a grip and worry about yourselves.



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Karen - Have you ever smoked? You seem to like to think you know it all. So I am curious. I also said I am directly beside the coffee drinkers, WTF, didn't you understand about my post, earlier? I thought I explained it pretty well.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/21/2012

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Well, Karen I make very very good money and I smoke. My employer would not dream of getting rid of me, just because I smoke. I am a damn hard worker and I get all tasks complete ahead of schedule all the time. I have never ever missed a deadline nor have I ever just met a deadline. I live in Canada and it does not cost more for my employer to insure me then a coworker, that does not smoke. Oh and I also have a very good sense of smell, it is my tastebuds that may be a wee shot (since smoking affects them).

The smell from ones clothing is NOT 3rd hand smoke. That is simply a smell, however it IS not good for infants and toddlers because they are carried and they actually breathe the chemicals off the clothing. As long as you do not hug me, sit in my car or wear any of my clothing you will NOT be affected by my smoke, other than the scent. Make sure if that is a part of ones debate, it is used appropriately. A little research can go a long way. ;)

Actually, this thread was initially about smokers and their productivity and this is what I am talking about. There are many addictions, that could make a person less productive. As I said, obesity, alcoholism and extreme coffee drinking CAN affect a persons ability to work effectively. I am not disputing that smoke is dirty. I am disputing that just because a person smokes does NOT mean they are inaffective.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/21/2012

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If you are inhaling 3rd hand smoke and smelling my clothing you are a little to close, as well. Meh.



It only costs more to insure a smoker IF it is a private insurance plan. If you are on a Company one, it does not cost more. The only time it would cost the employer more is if they have a common issue with smoker's having health problems. My insurance through my work, costs the exact same as the person beside me that does not smoke.



Also, if you higher a lot of obese people, that also just may increase your insurance. Since it is very likely they have diabetes as well. So, they are always using their medical. This DOES affect coworkers. Since obese people often take more time off of work, due to health complications.



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I work with some fairly obese people. My counterpart coworker is obese. She is sick far more often than most other coworkers. I am talking a good 3-5 days a month. That affects me greatly, since I have to then do the work of two people.



Oh and I often have to work directly beside someone, when we are working on an issue. Yes, our chairs are right beside each other because we are looking at one computer, that we share during the troubleshooting. I actually had this happen last week. The guy I was troubleshooting with is a heavy coffee drinker and I actually had to hold my breath when he talked, it stunk that bad! I at least have a damn tooth brush and tooth paste at work and use it frequently (after I eat, don't want stuff in my teeth when I am around clients), I also have certs and other mint types of things. I also get my teeth cleaned every 4 months. I don't have one stain on my teeth and I smoke 30 cigs a day (in an 18 hour period).

Karen - posted on 05/21/2012

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Smoking effects the people around you. They inhale the smoke that is left stuck to your clothing. They smell you. It costs more to insure a smoker. Smokers use a lot more break time than anyone else.

Someone else's weight does not effect me. The amount of food they consume does not effect me. The amount of coffee they consume does not effect me (seriously, if you smell their breath you are a little too close).

Apples to Oranges here.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/20/2012

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No, smoking anything is just not good for you. Although, I am talking about people that would be a risk to an employer for their addictions, which implicate health problems. Which includes more than people that smoke. So, if they want to ban smoking because they think smokers are sick more often, stink more, take more breaks, etc. Then we need to also put weight restrictions on employment, coffee intake restrictions, food restrictions, etc. Since, all these addictions are also very bad for you and also, could cause for more breaks, time off for sickness and make a person stink. That's all I am getting at.

Jodi - posted on 05/20/2012

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MeMe, you are flogging a dead horse. It doesn't MATTER how you define coffee as "in moderation", smoking will still never be good or acceptable for your health in moderation, no matter the definition.



Personally I don't drink coffee, so I don't care what moderation is. But I DO know that there is no such thing as moderation when it comes to smoking cigarettes. And that is my point. You CANNOT compare them.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/20/2012

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So, don’t worry too much about drinking coffee if you are not advised by your doctors to abstain from coffee on medical grounds. But, do limit your intake to a maximum of 3 cups a day since drinking too much coffee can likely harm our body because of its negative side effects.

http://www.steadyhealth.com/articles/The...

Jodi - posted on 05/20/2012

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But 5 cups of coffee isn't BAD for you. That's what I am saying. Those things are not bad for you in moderation, and in fact some can be GOOD for you in moderation. The same cannot EVER be said for smoking, so you simply can't compare them.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/20/2012

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Yes, you are correct. It isn't. Smoking is bad for you. But most people don't stop at one cup of coffee either or one twinky (when they are addicted to food).

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/20/2012

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Jodi---And I'm not sure about you, but I don't know anyone who stinks of coffee after consuming one.



I have smelt hard coffee drinkers breath. Unfortunately I get to work with many of them. At my work we have three coffee perculators. They supply all the coffee (or tea, hot chocolate, and iced tea), cream, milk and sugar. There are people that I work with that drink coffee ALL day long. I am talking anywhere from 5-15 cups of coffee every day. The scary thing is, there are many of them and most of them do not smoke. So, coffee is there addiction. Have you ever had to sit in a meeting for 30-120 mins and smell the persons breath beside you? They absolutely reek. A cup or two of coffee in moderation is not bad for you but many (that drink coffee) people drink far more than that.



5-15 cups of coffee a day is not good for you, eating in excess is not good for you, being inactive is not good for you, drinking alcohol is not good for you. All of these things can harm you and your health, when in excess. Each of these people are looking for health complications and are a hinderence to employers and health insurance companies, as well. Oh and never mind how it affects your teeth. Coffe and tea both cause severe staining. That's an expense to your Medical coverage.

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"After caffine isnt any good for you either. "



Actually, there is evidence that moderate amounts of caffeine are not at all harmful, and are in fact beneficial....and think about it, when was the last time you had to go outside to drink your coffee? And I'm not sure about you, but I don't know anyone who stinks of coffee after consuming one.



So comparing drinking coffee is hardly appropriate either.

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An adult choosing to smoke on a break at work is not comparable to consuming mind altaring intoxicants such as alcohol on the job. In my opion its more comparable to your boss telling you, you may not drink coffee and be employed. After caffine isnt any good for you either. While its accepted that smoking is not healthy an adult has the right to make those decisions for themselves. If we allow our rights to be taken away like this where will it end???

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/20/2012

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The plus side for me to smoke, is I won't kill anyone. Which is a plus side for everyone else. ;)

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It is 100% fact that smoking is harmful to your health, AND *the health of the non-smokers around you*. Productivity issues aside, (though I have worked in places where this is a HUGE issue) if a company is funding employees' health care, I think it's fine to deny a smoker health coverage, or even the job. But, I am torn, because I could see where this could be a slippery slope. It's also harmful to your health to be obese, but I wouldn't be comfortable with a job telling me I couldn't weight a certain amount if I wanted to work there. But, let's get real. I think even the smokers would agree with me that there is no plus side to smoking, and it is an indulgent habit that can and should be broken anyway.

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I just recently learned that the number of people who die from smoking illnesses is the same as if we had 9/11, four times per day, every day of the year, forever more. How do we keep Osama Bin Laden on the top of our most wanted list and let the tobacco executives go free????

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You know what, regarding the health issues of smokers.



TBH, the only thing that I don't get, now that I have quit smoking, is a chest/throat infection all that often (typically if I had a cold it would turn to a chest/throat infection).

Although, one of the worst chest infections I have suffered in my life (I had a hard time breathing for over a week) occured a couple of years ago as a NON SMOKER! So go figure... lol

Even if I did get sick, I certainly rarely needed to take time off work. I typically got the sniffles a couple of times a year (and still do...)



I am quite convinced that if smoking kills the good stuff/bacteria in you and surely must also kill of the bad ones...lol Same goes for alcohol (but then again, if you live in Poland, or Russia, if you are sick the first thing most will do is have a few swigs of vodka :-D but may be that is just us...lmao).



ETA: I quit when I was pregnant with my 1st child. I slowly weaned myself off of the smokes. Although I must say that 3 things got me to quit that final 1 smoke I had a day. 1st was the fact that my man, including his whole family, did not smoke so that made it easier by not having people constantly around you puffing away. 2nd was the shame of having a pregnant belly and hoping down for a smoke, anywhere in public. 3rd was dreaming of my dead grandfather who was telling me I have to stop - I have never dreamt of him before nor since that time (in my culture, when you dream of dead relatives it means that they have come to you to give you a warning about something - pretty big fucking warning if you ask me!)

Janice - posted on 05/17/2012

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Krista -Glad to know I'm not the only asthmatic to be a smoker! I smoked from age 15 to 22.5 and during that time I had convinced my self that because I didn't need my inhaler immediately after smoking a cig that it didn't make that big of an impact. Boy was I wrong!



So glad my hubby convinced me to quit and quit with me; actually before me, cause I was still sneaking smokes for awhile ;)



Actually what did it for me was the fact that I wanted to start trying for a baby and my hubby didnt. He joked that I could go off the pill if I quit smoking. I quit and went off the pill immediately. My hubby wasn't thrilled when i told him since he was joking but it got me to quit which I need to do either way and he still got his way because it took us 3 years to get pregnant. God dammit he always gets his way! ;P



ETA: Wow, I just realized that I have been smoke free almost for as long as I smoked (if you dont count the non-stop second hand coming from my family while little) That feels good!

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It's not that you are a fool to continue, it's that smoking is a viscious cycle. Telling somebody that they are going to die, or that they are very sick is a REALLY stressful thing.

Now...I want an answer only from smokers...what do you do when you are stressed?

That's the problem. Quitting is terrifying and even the thought of quitting is enough to send a smoker into a chain smoking marathon, because they don't know how to imagine their life without a cigarette to get them through.

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If your addiction keeps you from doing your job effectively, then it's an issue.

I certainly wouldn't want a smoker taking care of my baby. Not only would they have to leave the baby unattended to smoke, they'd reek of smoke when they came back and my baby would be breathing it in second-hand.

I can see how employers who have jobs that require people to interact with the public would not want their employees reeking of smoke. It gives a bad impression.

However, if you work on an assembly line and only take your allotted number of breaks, I don't see how it's the employer's business what you're doing on those breaks.

I have worked in offices, though, with people who smoke. They wound up on break about an hour more than me every day because they had to take so many "smoke breaks."

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My dad was told he had about 5 years left to live if he continued to smoke. That was 4 years ago, and he is still smoking. He sounds like hes dying when I call him.

Both him and my mom are still smoking, even though my mom knows if she gets caught, she will lose every benefit she works for. My dad is very well aware of what it is doing to him, but that doesn't stop him. He actually called me last week to tell me his funeral plans. They are both 65 years old. I guess getting right with Jesus has given him the confidence to throw the rest of his life away with each puff. He has one foot in the ground and one hand holding a cig.

Smoking pisses me off. It always has. I even smoked for a year and a half when I was in my early 20s and it was pissing me off the entire time I was doing it. The money I spent on those terrible, stank smelling things... I was even smoking Newports which is supposedly the worst of the worst. My hands would smell. My breath would smell. It's not really something you enjoy for very long, because once that enjoyment part is gone, it's got you by the balls and you are stuck.

My dad calls me every couple of months to talk about his plans to quit. I humor him because I know the end result. I always hope that what hes saying is "serious this time" but I am not new to being let down. He calls me to tell me this stuff because he knows it's what I want to hear. I could lose my dad very soon, because he cannot stop himself. I know that if this kills him, my mom will quit. She is capable of quitting when my dad isn't blowing smoke in her face.

Normally I don't care about what other people do with their bodies, but when a doctor warns you repeatedly that you WILL DIE if you do not stop what you are doing, then you are a fool.

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Personally, I am going to say that turning 40 was my turning point. That's what worked for ME. It scared the fuck out of me that every person I knew who had lung problems in the family who smoked, died in their 50s. My family has a BIG history of lung problems (my daughter has now just been diagnosed with asthma too), and the realisation that if I didn't stop, I may have 10-20 years left at most. OK, so that may be all I have anyway, who knows, but I wanted to reduce my risk factors in a BIG way.



And yes, I know, off topic. But I wanted to share where I am coming from.

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I like the idea of quitting. I am just not ready. I suppose if it ever truly effected my health, I would. I know the dangers. I have talked to people that have lung cancer. I have talked to people that have relatives who have died from it. It is just when you are ready, or when something scares the shit out of you enough to quit. It is so accessible.

I DID make a promise to my husband that if we got this house we want, that I will cut way back, down to 5 per day. I don't make promises lightly. If I can do that, I will ween all the way off.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/17/2012

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However, I do realize I could be a lot healthier if I were to quit. I imagine how much better I would feel, if I didn't. I mean, I don't feel bad now but I have no idea what I will feel like without smoke in my lungs, either. I bet it would be a breath of fresh air! lol

I also want to quit for my kids. I may be healthy now but that does not mean lung cancer is not lingering quietly, just waiting to pounce on me. I am fully aware, it is a nasty addiction. I just love it so much.....**sigh**

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Oh, I know how addictive cigarettes are. I just don't understand still doing it when you are diagnosed with lung issues. I'm not trying to be rude, it was a real question. I had a father in law who died from lung disease too - he didn't make it to a lung transplant (he was on the list - back then they took smokers), and while it wasn't just his smoking that caused the problem, it was his smoking that hastened his death, and I guess that bothers me a lot too. So it really is a genuine question. If you already have a problem with your lungs, at what point does the desire to quite exceed the desire to continue to smoke?

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I should not say I am not healthy, just the smoking aspect of my life is not, and I am no fool about it.

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LOL Krista, how hot is that ;P

When I do have bronchitis, I cannot smoke. I also get asmatic bronchitis, but that goes away when I am done with a bout of bronchitis. Nope. Not healthy. But smoking did not cause it, and it is not helping. I am grateful it has not made it worse yet. I know this because it is just as bad as when I do not smoke, or before I ever started.

I don't like the taste that lingers in your mouth. I don't like that brushing your teeth does not eliminate the taste or smell on my breath. The only thing that kills it is mouth was, or gum. I don't like constantly fearing I don't have a lighter, then I make sure I have 3 on me. I don't like having to worry how close to my last smoke I am, and when I will get to the store next. I don't like the time it takes away from my family when I am in public and want to walk away for a smoke, and if I don't I am aching for one if I know I can walk away. I don't have that craving when i know I cannot get away though, that is a plus. Or when it is torrential down pours, or snowing out. Go figure.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/17/2012

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I am not saying I am healthier than everyone else, I am healthy, though (I go for my complete physical yearly). I do not get sick, even when my son, daughter and husband are coughing and sneezing everywhere (I still kiss my boy on the lips (more like on the tongue), when he is sick and he gives wide-open mouth kisses).



I am also healthier than all of my obese coworkers or all the alcoholics at my husbands work. I can still jog. I can still climb 10 flights of stairs without stopping (do it everyday at work, a few of us do it for exercise, at 3pm). I do not ride elevators nor do I ride escalators, I take stairs ALWAYS. I ride my bike, with 25lbs on the front of it (I have a front seat on my bike for my boy). We walk every night after supper. We rarely eat processed foods or take-out (maybe every 6-8 weeks).



I bet I am much more healthy, than many non-smokers and many other smokers, for that matter. ;)



ETA:

As for the Chronic Bronchitis, yep, that shit will kill you. My grandmother, of whom smoked 2 packs a day, had no choice but to quite 5 years ago. If she didn`t she was told, she will die within the next 5 years. That was all she needed (which, is kinda hitting rock bottom in my opinion) and she quit. She still has the illness but she feels a lot better.

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I know I know....but you quit when you want and are ready. I am sorry to hear about your GF dying so young, truly sad.

I am not as healthy as non smokers. I lose breath easier, and I am constantly worried that I will run out of smokes, and oh man if I don't have a lighter, but I have a cigarette?? That is torture. Just saying that mentally this is also a horrible thing. Sometimes I really want to quit, but I enjoy my smokes so much. I love going outside and having a cig. I love escaping.

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I'm now imagining Little Miss in a velvet smoking jacket and slippers. ;)

And yes, Jodi, smokers will smoke even with chronic bronchitis or worse. I had asthma, and I smoked. I look back now and realize how dumb that was, but at the time, I could justify it. It took some pretty impressive mental gymnastics, no doubt, but when you're addicted, you can find ANYTHING to justify your addiction.

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Little Miss, you smoke even though you know you have chronic bronchitis? My grandfather died of that when he was 54. If he hadn't smoked, he could have lived a much longer life. Just saying.



(I am not suggesting the smoking caused it, but it certainly doesn't help it, and could be making it worse).



I know smokers like to kid themselves that they are as healthy as everyone else. Been there. It isn't true. It really isn't. I am not suggesting smokers take more sick days (because as I said earlier, I believe parents take more days off work), but they aren't healthier.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 05/17/2012

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I can attest to the fact that at my place of work WAY more non-smokers get sick and WAY more of them miss work. When I say WAY, I mean WAY.... ;)

Aleksandra--- I Love it! You know, I believe that saying to be fairly true.

I am quite healthy and I now, am going for a smoke to kill any bugs lying around (in my little smoking corner)! lol

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A whole comment to the smokers are more sick.

I have chronic bronchitis. Every time i get a cold, I come down with it. Every time i get the flu, i come down with it. I usually have it about 3-5 times per year. This is the first year I have had a flu vaccination, and I only got it once, so I will be doing THAT for now on.

My point. I have had chronic bronchitis since I was about 4-5 years old. I did not smoke that young. People that know I smoke, and hear me with my cough, automatically assume it is from smoking, and feel the need to tell me so. It pisses me off more than you can know. Even when i have stopped smoking in the past for a good 2 years or more, I still had it, and people STILL blamed it on the fact that I smoke. I just have a shitty immune system, and people do not get that. I get sick wicked easy. Infact, my son has the same issue with CB that I do. Does he smoke? Nope. Do I smoke around him? Nope. I wear a smoking jacket outside also not to have so much 3rd hand smoke on me.

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I guess it depends on the job. CIgarette smoke sticks to your clothes, so if you are handling babies and small children, I would think non-smokers would be better for that kind of job, smane for any healthcare job. ANybody with asthma can tell you how cigarete smoke residue affects them.

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I rarely get sick. I rarely got sick when I was a smoker and I rarely get sick now that I am not. I don't think the smoking has influence on how often you get sick- germs and immunity do. However, if you do get sick and are a smoker you are more likely to develop respiratory issues.
So a person who tends to get sick and is a smoker may take of more days than the person who doesn't smoke and gets sick. But if you don't get sick often it doesn't really matter at all.

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