Smoking on School property/ outings etc

Rachel - posted on 10/28/2011 ( 117 moms have responded )

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Do you think it's okay for parents to smoke in front of the school while waiting for their kids to come out?
Do you think it's okay for parents to be smoking at all on school or daycare grounds?
-Whether its to pick up or drop off your child or if its an outdoor activity like a school sport/fun fair/ field trip etc Should parents be allowed to volunteer to help on field trips if they smoke?
it it okay that they are going to be seen smoking by your children?
or is it everywhere and it doesnt bother you?

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Brandi how does my neighbours setting fire to their homes (which btw are both attached to mine) not pose a danger to my family? If their house is on fire it poses a huge risk to my home thus putting my family in danger therefore it is my business....that doesn't mean I go round my neighbours telling them not to smoke in their homes but it is a concern for me, I'll be glad when I can afford to move.



ETA: it'd be a pretty sad world if everyone only cared about themselves and their families, and it'd be even sadder if people only did things which benefitted them. That girl over there drowning never mind nothing o do with me, that toddler wondering the street alone not my business, the girl too afraid to go ask for help escaping her abusive partner doesn't affect me...oh wait yeah they do because I have the ability to help them and make THEIR lives better. I can stop the girl drowning, I can remove the toddler from danger (home), I can help the girl know what to do, support her and help give her the courage to leave...all of these things mean me stepping into someone else's business. I'd happily do it, I'm sorry if you're so pc you can't let yourself step into someone else's business because YOU'RE missing out!

Johnny - posted on 10/31/2011

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You know, I just have a really hard time buying into the concept that someone threatening my and my family's safety, health, lives, and home is not my business. It just doesn't add up. We legislate zillions of things to protect people from other people's greed, hubris, carelessness and stupidity because it is not morally right to sit by and let one person's bad actions hurt another. By your logic, it is not my business to call the cops when I see a drunk guy leaving the bar and getting behind the wheel of a car. I should just mind my own business until he crashes into me and maims me and my kid. I'm sorry, but I find that rationale really quite twisted and illogical.

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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"non smokers make it very difficult for smokers to be comfortable"

awww... poor baby. you're uncomfortable. i wonder how Teresa feels when she's gasping for air....

Charlie - posted on 10/30/2011

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" And as for worrying about that masses and "second hand smoke takes thousands of lives" while I also understand that but ill take a phrase from my husband and say, the world is over populated as it is."



And what gives you the right to be the cause of serious health issues or death of others.



Shit I AM a smoker and I find that appalling and incredibly self indulgent.

Johnny - posted on 10/29/2011

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Second hand smoke is not simply a bother. It can be a health risk and a health irritant for others, like Teresa. I don't feel the need to make everything that bothers me illegal either. But I recognize that smoke can be more than just a simple annoyance for others.

Also, people that are around the smell all the time really don't notice it. I overheard one of my co-workers the other day saying that she was glad that she only smoked outside because she did not smell of smoke all the time. However, I can tell if she's been in the washroom sometime in the previous hour because she leaves the smell (of cigarettes) in her wake and she's the only one who uses it who smokes. It doesn't bother me, and I'm pretty sure just the leftover scent wouldn't cause anyone that many problems, but she's kidding herself if she thinks she doesn't reek of it.

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♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 10/23/2012

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If the parents don't smoke around the kids, then yes they can do field trips. I have, my hubby has, and we both smoke. We've done overnighters with the older classes, we've done out of state trips for 16 years as chaperones, and (gasp) even though we smoke, we're generally the first parents asked to chaperone! (probably because the kids in our groups are always the best behaved, and most well mannered) Heck, I was a cub scout leader, but my cubs never saw me light up.



There is an appropriate time/place for everything. If you're a parent on a school trip (most places your kids are going to are smoke free anyway, so what's the worry???) and you want to light up, you do get "down time" on most trips. While the kids are eating, for example, you can go to the smoking area, as long as your group is supervised (which, during meals, the groups are generally together with the teacher to give the parents a "break")



While waiting for your kids after school, on school property, no smoking. But, if you're not on school property, then it's your call. I never did, because I didn't want to give that example to anyone's kids. BUT...If I'm making a point of leaving the immediate area where kids are, and trying to find a place to light up, and people with kids insist on following me, at some point I'm going to confront them. After all, I was trying to be polite, and not do it in front of your kids, but you sought me out for whatever reason.



I did have a lady tell me this summer during our local outdoor market that smoking in the park was still legal, last time she checked...I laughed at that, because I'd stepped around my vehicle to have a puff or two, so was actually standing beside the truck on the street. I am a vendor at the market, so in my mind, that is a business venue, thus inappropriate for smoking. Plus, there are kids all over at the market, and I (like I said above) always try to either step away or not light up.

Qui - posted on 10/21/2012

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No I do not...I think people should have enough common courtesy and restraint to be able to hold off long enough to not subject me or my child to their smoke in what is to be a serene environment. I am that parent that will politely ask them to STOP. I make it clear. I am also that person though, that will see a guy standing in the doorway at wal-mart smoking and point to and read him the sign that says no smoking within x amount of feet of entrance!

Rebecca - posted on 10/21/2012

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I absolutely LOVE how judgmental people are. I have to wonder how many drink and drive or scarf down prescription pills like they are candy. Adults should not smoke in front of the school. Most places nowadays, you have to go outside and even stay away from the door to smoke. And why couldn't smokers volunteer? I see parents who are drunks do it or pot smokers...Which (yes, I am unfortunately a smoker) I think it is awesome we can't smoke inside anymore. We don't need those extra cigarettes we would have normally smoked while having dinner. It stinks, I despise it. It's expensive. Guess how many times I have quit? I started when I was a teenager. If I could go back and do it all over....I WOULD NEVER HAVE STARTED!

Sharlene - posted on 11/15/2011

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If I catch one of my 7 kids smoking I would basically get them to smoke the whole packet of smokes and thedn see there reaction , And yes I am a smoker myself like I said in my past comment but if I caught my 7 kids smoking I will kick there butt .LOL

Jeannette - posted on 11/15/2011

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If any of my minor (under 18) children start smoking - and I know about it - I and their father would exercise parental control for their health. :)

Becky - posted on 11/15/2011

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Oh okay, well, that is different then if she is an adult. I agree, you can't make her stop.

Becky - posted on 11/15/2011

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Jeannette, is your oldest your 17 year old? I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I find it interesting that in the thread on medical consent, you said that you basically forced her into an endoscopy, but here you say it is her choice whether to smoke or not. Both are issues that have to do with her health and wellbeing. Smoking could have serious consquences for her health in the future. Personally, while my child is still a minor, they are not allowed to smoke. I realize I can't control what they do when they are away from home and from us, but as much as it is in my control, I absolutely would tell them they had to quit. I'd even go so far as destroying their cigarettes if I found them in my house.

Sharlene - posted on 11/15/2011

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Im a smoker myself ,No it's not a good look for parents lighting a smoke up before picking up there child/ren.It does'nt look good for the school or daycare reputation.I've never seek a smoke up before picking my children up

Jeannette - posted on 11/15/2011

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I believe we have too many laws on the books already and would actually like to see less.
As for smoking outside (as in open air) I don't care. As for smoking on a bus or other confined public space, I do care. There are some really loving, helpful, and considerate smoking parents out there. I don't think they should all be damned to living within my confines of what is right for me.

There are laws put into place about people smoking in public spaces, even outdoor spaces, and sometimes I think it is over the top. People who smoke in front of their kids, their business. I grew up with a smoker and I doubt very seriously I would have fared better if I had been put into the system of orphans just to escape his smoke.

Another bit, I am not a smoker. My DH smokes cigars a couple of times a year on our back deck. My father is still a smoker and he smokes outside. Yet my oldest child decided to take up smoking. I tell her how bad it is for her, but I don't ever tell her she has to stop. It's her choice.

We need fewer laws, not more. We are ever closer to having the thought police patrolling us...

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I don't smoke and if some twat blows smoke in my face not caring what he/she is doing its my business and i will say something..same for my children.There are rude smokers who blow it all over you if your near them. in town etc.So not cool.

Stifler's - posted on 10/31/2011

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oh yeah... totally not our business if someone is hotboxing with their kids in the car...

but you just agreed with everyone despite disagreeing the entire debate. i think you're just backpedaling. i'm done.

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So... you're going on and on and on simply because I said I WISH smoking were illegal? Really? I also said I don't vote and I'm fully aware it is JUST a 'pipe dream' that would never, ever happen and it's just something that I will have to deal w/ for the rest of my life and I am OK W/ THAT. I don't LIKE it, but there's not a damn thing I can do (or would ever TRY to do) about it.

The only reason you even KNOW about that wish is because of this online forum cuz if this were in 'real life' I would never start talking to you so wouldn't ever KNOW about this wish.

It's a wish. Nothing more. You don't have to agree w/ my wish, but arguing that someone's wishes and dreams are not valid for that person to have is really quite stupid.

And that whole 'worry about you and yours' crap. Yeah, THAT is why I have this wish in the first place. ;)

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Now for clarification... Yes I do think parents who smoke should be allowed to help with school outings or any other type of school function BUT I do not think they should be smoking while helping with those school functions, it can wait. As for the exhaust fumes, I NEVER said it was worse than smoke I said/meant that exhaust fumes were also harmful to others so should that to be illegal. Does it make sense now?



Do I think there should be designated smoking areas in public places where there tend to be a high volume of children, YES. Obviously I think we need to be mindful of EVERYTHING done around children. I am certainly not saying its okay for smokers to just puff away whenever and where ever, but in their cars, their homes their yards is fine in my opinion.



.however my neighbours smoking in their homes bothers me because it is a fire risk (especially as one of them is an alcoholic and the other smokes marijuana).



If some idiot wants wants be completely careless and possibly start a fire in THEIR home, your gonna love this... not your business! Unless of course your kids are in the home which I doubt they would be or unless the fire jumps from their home to yours which is in fact quit common. But unless those two are going on then why make it your business? Were you the idiot that got wasted(drunk/high) and decided to be careless with a cigg? NO.

Jodi - posted on 10/31/2011

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"Harmful to others... NOT YOUR BUSINESS."

I am failing to understand how something that is harmful to others (ie. harmful to those other than yourself) is not my business. Sorry, but no-one has the right to choose to do something that is harmful to others. And that is why there are laws. Obviously they are needed.

Sarah - posted on 10/31/2011

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Just to add, I wasn't trying to imply that car exhausts are more harmful than cigarette smoke..........just thinking of other things that Teresa might be allergic to. :)

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Brandi I think you need to re-read your posts as they are actually very hard to follow, I don't think they are saying what you want them to say or believe they do say. Also others smoking is my business when it affects me or my children whether the smoker is considerate or not, someone smoking in their car doesn't bother me...however my neighbours smoking in their homes bothers me because it is a fire risk (especially as one of them is an alcoholic and the other smokes marijuana).

Stifler's - posted on 10/31/2011

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I don't agree with making it illegal in general but definitely illegal to smoke in certain places.

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It's illegal to smoke on school property here but if it wasn't parents shouldn't smoke on it, however, if a parent wants to smoke off school property, by the gates for example, I can't stop them although I would appreciate if they didn't, I chose not to smoke and I chose to limit where possible my children's exposure to smoking (because of the health implications not because I don't want them seeing it).

For trips I think smokers should be able to participate as long as they don't smoke while on it, they shouldn't be smoking around the children and they certainly shouldn't be leaving the children to smoke.

I like teresa would prefer smoking to be illegal but I realise that it is far better for the economy and people's health for them to be legal, as if they illegal smokers would still smoke black Market cigarettes which would be worse and more hazardous.

Sarah - posted on 10/31/2011

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I was the one who brought up car fumes.......I was interested to see if Teresa is allergic to anything other than cigarette smoke and if so, should we be making them illegal too.

I think my point was that you can't make smoking illegal just because a few people are allergic to it, or you would end up having to make all sorts of things illegal!

That's certainly not to say that I think smokers should be able puff away wherever and whenever.......I think it's a very good thing that there are restrictions and certain places where smoking isn't allowed.
However, if I'm having a cigarette in the privacy of my own back garden, with no-one around, that's my business.

If I lived next door to Teresa and me smoking in the back garden bothered her......I'm sorry, but she would just have to deal with it. I would probably see if there was some way to make it less bothersome for her.......but at the end of the day, it's on my property so I can smoke if I wish.

If however I was smoking in a public place and Teresa came over and asked me politely to stop.......I would.

(If that all makes sense!)

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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You have a far higher opinion of human nature than I. Having worked in child protection and elsewhere in social services, I know that people either don't have common sense or choose not to use it because they don't like what it means. If there were no regulations, there would be people driving around drunk holding their kids on their lap, smoking a cigarette while texting. Laws are designed to protect innocent people from other disregard for human health, safety and life. I actually do agree that people should be free to do what they want with themselves. I actually personally support drug legalization for instance. I just think that accompanying legalization, must be strict regulations that protect other people from being harmed. That is the point of regulations around cigarette smoking and driving drunk. You can have all the fun you want, but you can't hurt other people in the process.

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Maybe you need to re read them if you still think im arguing for inconsiderate smokers. Goodnight.

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LOL!!! dont even get me started on marijuana... a weed that grows from the earth. DOESN'T MEAN I SMOKE IT. Gotta make that clear before you come and twist it. And im sorry but yes, if you dont want to wear a seat belt, you are very much aware of what COULD happen, its your business. That's just how I think, people should be free to do what they will with themselves as they wish. As for the drugs and no baby seats, no at that point YOU need to learn some common sense and do what you can to keep your children safe. Which is why I said in an earlier post that I keep my kids from it as much as possible. We don't agree that's fine, its actually kind of fun to disagree with you on something because I have agreed with ALOT of your posts through out COM'S. Nice change of pace.

I'm sure I've posted enough that most of you should by now know i'm really big on minding my own business. Erin--Again read through the posts.







But on another note, its late and I'm tired. So Off to bed.

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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"My point is... NOT YOUR BUSINESS. Harmful to others... NOT YOUR BUSINESS. Worry about you and yours "

I am worried about me & mine. I want to protect the health of my loved ones from inconsiderate smokers.

Erin - posted on 10/30/2011

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Umm.. if something is harmful to me or my child, it becomes my business.

If someone is driving under the influence and I am sharing the road, it is my business. Do I care if they slam themselves in to a tree? Not really. But their choice to drive puts myself and my child at risk. Therefore it becomes my business.

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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I just want to add. I don't want to see smoking become illegal. Not at all and if given the chance, I would vote against it. I want it regulated to the hilt and taxed to the extreme.

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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You know Brandi, you're right. If smoking is going to be completely unlegislated, we might is well toss in all drugs. Legalize cocaine, heroin, marijuana, ecstasy, meth and stop regulating prescription drugs so much too. If I want to fry my brain cells, they're mine to fry. Those laws against drinking and driving should definitely be tossed. If I want to wrap my car around a tree and take someone with me, no one should be telling me what I can do with my own car. Hmph! And while we're at it, get rid of those ridiculous car seat laws. If I want to drive with baby sitting on my lap, no one should get in my business. Same with seatbelts, it is totally up to me if I want to fly through the windshield. And speed limits are totally getting in my way. I need to cut my commute time and the government and all those nosy people have no right to tell me how to drive!

Erin - posted on 10/30/2011

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But nobody, besides Teresa in her exceptional circumstances, is saying smoking should be illegal. So you're arguing with nobody. All anyone is saying (some of us being smokers) is to have some decency and common sense about WHERE you smoke.

Is that really so outrageous?

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My point is... NOT YOUR BUSINESS. Harmful to others... NOT YOUR BUSINESS. Worry about you and yours why the hell is that so god damn hard for people like you to do these days?

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Lol what a great job you did "reading" between the lines, or thinking you did correctly. Maybe this will help.

MY MAIN POINT WAS, NOT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE BANNED, ILLEGAL ,OUTLAWED ETC. MAIN POINT THAT'S ALL.
And no, what I said was I don't give a damn if people smoke, unless they are blowing it RIGHT in my kid's faces.

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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My mindset that we shouldn't be allowed to poison each other? What the fuck does that have to do with free speech? Most of us are smart enough to discern between activities that are inherently harmful to others and those that are not. The slippery slope argument was proven void some time back in the early 80's.

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You are absolutely right Johnny. And I never said I wasn't allowed my opinion... I said when there are finally enough people to ban together with not just your mind set but others' on here as well, Freedom of speech will be lost. That's where all these bans and making everything under the sun illegal is headed.

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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Well, what I'm getting from her argument is that smokers should not be legislated in their activities and we should all mind our own business except for Brandi who can tell smokers to back off when they are near her children. Oh, and that smokers have the right to kill people but we need to mind our own business and just let them because the world is too overpopulated anyway so who cares if more people die.

Did I sum it up okay?

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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I disagree with your opinion. Vehemently. I don't disagree with your right to have one. I disagree with a lot of things people say here but we come here in order to debate our opinions. Trust me, when we all agree, this place sucks. It wouldn't be any fun if there wasn't someone with an opposing view to debate. This bullshit about not being allowed your own opinion is such an annoyingly childish side argument. No one has stopped you from posting here. We are simply doing what this place was intended for, debating.

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But I'm not arguing for inconsiderate smokers thats what you are all missing. I have and will tell someone they need to back off if my kids are having smoke blown in their faces

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your totally opposed to someone having an opinion different from yours.... poor baby, someone doesn't agree with you. I don't smoke anymore when I did I NEVER smoked in my home and NOBODY else does either.
Car fumes have an unhealthy effect on people also, did that skip your mind or is it news to you?

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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No one specifically said YOU were an inconsiderate smoker. We are arguing against your defense of people being allowed to be inconsiderate smokers.

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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Yes, because people active in an debating community are totally opposed to free speech.

Stifler's - posted on 10/30/2011

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Yes you are. You're arguing for people to infringe on the rights of others.

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This is like the THIRD time I've said this, I was a considerate smoker. I'm not arguing for the ass that lite's up in the middle of a group of kids. And in my opinion there are FAR too many nose'y people in the world. But that's my opinion and guess what, as it still stands Its my right to have one..... Until enough people with your mind set ban together and make freedom of speech illegal... Because that's what people like you and others on this thread are all about... banning something you don't agree with :) Goodnight!

Stifler's - posted on 10/30/2011

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What does car fumes have to do with it? I'm interested as to why you're so passionate about global warming being caused by car fumes but you don't give a shit about little kids having asthma. It's not their choice to die from lung cancer because their parents smoke inside or they're exposed to second hand smoke all the time but yeah you're right it's soooo totally none of our business.

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Yeah it is if you have children in there inhaling carcinogenic fumes.

Nowhere I have heard of has a law in place that restricts you smoking on your own.

Johnny - posted on 10/30/2011

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It's my business if you are poisoning your kids. Thus I will support the government to outlaw it. We outlaw all forms of child abuse. And poisoning children definitely falls in to THAT category.

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You don't have to kill people by poisoning them in order to reduce the population either. We could just pop out less kids. By your logic, we should stop bothering to vaccinate, filter our drinking water, offer healthcare services, have seatbelts in cars.... until the population has mostly died off. I think most people would prefer to just have fewer kids, but maybe I'm wrong.

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