Swine Flu Vac - HELP!!!

Erin - posted on 09/30/2009 ( 14 moms have responded )

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I'm a medical receptionist in a GP surgery (only been back at work for 3 weeks after having Milla) and the doctors are pushing for all the staff to have the jab. I'm not convinced I need it, and the haste with which this vaccination has been developed worries me. The fact that Australia is in spring and has finished the winter flu season makes me even more skeptical, but the experts here are suggesting we will get a second wave of swine flu with the start of the Northern flu season and all our tourists. The one thing that is swaying me towards agreeing to get it is my daughter, and the fact that they advise anyone caring for infants should get it.....

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I'm not from Canada, but the reason they are doing this is based on a research study that said that people vaccinated for the seasonal flu in the past were more likely to contract H1N1. The one research study they are basing this on is not yet available, and has not completed peer-review. The data is not yet published, so they are basing the decision on the title and abstract of the paper alone. And even if it were true, if wouldn't do any good to skip the H1N1 vaccine anyway. According to the abstract, it isn't the H1N1 vaccine that was the risk, but flu vaccinations in the past. Anyways, I'm certainly keeping an eye out for the research article to be published. To me, it sounds like a over-reaction, as I can't see what the benefit would be.



As far as I know, this is pretty much the extent of the info available:

http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainmen...



And apparently the CDC and WHO have already come out stating that this doesn't match with their data:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFluNew...



Frankly, I think this is the problem with researchers 'publishing' their results via press release.

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I don't think it is too easy to find the current statistics on the swine flu deaths, since the CDC is no longer releasing all case reports. But it seems pretty clear from what has been reported that the burden of the disease is high among the under 50 age group, with the under 25 being very susceptible to infection and need for hospitalization, but with adults 25-50 being unusually more likely to die from it. There's speculation that the healthier immune system of adults is a disadvantage, and the body over-responds to the virus, causing high fever and filling the lungs with fluid. It is really too early to determine if this is really the problem (like it is with the avian flu) but the point is that being young and healthy is no guarantee that one is not at risk. Certainly the rate of hospitalization and need for ICU level care is higher than what is usually seen with the seasonal flu.

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Sharon - posted on 10/02/2009

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cool beans Jenifer! Thanks.



I had an um interesting chat with a fellow who was trying to convince the "room" that this vaccine is basically an attempt by the govt to reduce our population. I was reading the crap he was putting out - he didn't even quote a single source for information - with my mouth open. It was funny as hell.



Just for fun I threw in a theory on 2012, that was funny.

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Does anyone have the statistics on the children that have died? I'm watching the news now 46 - 49 kids have died so far here in the US. I know another mother died yesterday(?) from swine flu right after giving birth - as in she delivered, went into a coma like state, and never got to hold her baby. I'm watching these parents sobbing on TV and I feel like MY heart is breaking.

What I'm reading so far is that more than the usual number of people are developing pneumonia from swine flu and that is what is killing them?


The CDC just released their weekly report, and I think it has info on some of the things you were looking for, though mostly general data, rather than specifics;



http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/update.htm



http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

Jodi - posted on 09/30/2009

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Quoting Erin:



Quoting dana:

Wow, Erin, tough one. I guess if I were in your postition, I would probably get it but, I wouldn't get it for my son. Not that you're saying you might. I was just talking about this with my mom, she and my father got the swine flu shot in the 70's. Their reasoning was, they didn't want to contact it and give it to us and if they did contact it, who would take care of us while they were sick. I think it is something to consider because of your work. As for me, I dont' think I'll be getting it but, I've heard and am counting on the fact that when breastfeeding if you contact it you'll make antibodies. If that's true I can pass that onto Ethan and I plan on selling shots of breastmilk for 10 bucks a pop! :)





The vaccine is not available to children under 10 here, but I agree with you in that I wouldn't have given it to Milla anyway. And the reasoning your parents have given is similar to what is convincing me that I need it.....  I work in a high-risk environment where I could contract it and either bring it home to Milla, or get so sick myself that there would be nobody to look after her.






Yes, I noticed that too Erin.  I found it interesting that they won't offer it to kids under 10.  Obviously they aren't confident that the vaccine has been proven safe in some way.  Didn't they do trials on it for children in Sydney recently and were asking people to guinea pig their kids?  Obviously they decided that the benefits didn't outweight the side effects for the kids.  Either that or no-one volunteered their children so they can't make any conclusions!

Erin - posted on 09/30/2009

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Quoting dana:

Wow, Erin, tough one. I guess if I were in your postition, I would probably get it but, I wouldn't get it for my son. Not that you're saying you might. I was just talking about this with my mom, she and my father got the swine flu shot in the 70's. Their reasoning was, they didn't want to contact it and give it to us and if they did contact it, who would take care of us while they were sick. I think it is something to consider because of your work. As for me, I dont' think I'll be getting it but, I've heard and am counting on the fact that when breastfeeding if you contact it you'll make antibodies. If that's true I can pass that onto Ethan and I plan on selling shots of breastmilk for 10 bucks a pop! :)


The vaccine is not available to children under 10 here, but I agree with you in that I wouldn't have given it to Milla anyway. And the reasoning your parents have given is similar to what is convincing me that I need it.....  I work in a high-risk environment where I could contract it and either bring it home to Milla, or get so sick myself that there would be nobody to look after her.

Sharon - posted on 09/30/2009

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HA! Dawn, allergies - still in effect, a bad cold - complete w/fever, AND!!! my period!!!

Dawn - posted on 09/30/2009

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Poor Sharon, first allergys now you got a cold?! I'm not sure about the H1S1. Now if we have someone from Canada to respond to this. I heard that Canada is warning folks about getting the shot. Can someone from Canada comferm this?

Sharon - posted on 09/30/2009

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::: sigh ::: ok thanks for responding!



Pretty soon I gotta drive my sick ass to the grocery store for real soup. I am sick of campbells idea of soup.

Sharon - posted on 09/30/2009

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Does anyone have the statistics on the children that have died? I'm watching the news now 46 - 49 kids have died so far here in the US. I know another mother died yesterday(?) from swine flu right after giving birth - as in she delivered, went into a coma like state, and never got to hold her baby. I'm watching these parents sobbing on TV and I feel like MY heart is breaking.



What I'm reading so far is that more than the usual number of people are developing pneumonia from swine flu and that is what is killing them?

Dana - posted on 09/30/2009

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Wow, Erin, tough one. I guess if I were in your postition, I would probably get it but, I wouldn't get it for my son. Not that you're saying you might. I was just talking about this with my mom, she and my father got the swine flu shot in the 70's. Their reasoning was, they didn't want to contact it and give it to us and if they did contact it, who would take care of us while they were sick. I think it is something to consider because of your work. As for me, I dont' think I'll be getting it but, I've heard and am counting on the fact that when breastfeeding if you contact it you'll make antibodies. If that's true I can pass that onto Ethan and I plan on selling shots of breastmilk for 10 bucks a pop! :)

Erin - posted on 09/30/2009

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Thanks guys. Since working in the medical field I have always had the seasonal flu vac, but that was before I had my daughter and I guess I'm just more cautious and aware of these things now. And yes, the fact that we are indeed at the end of our flu season just makes me question whether it's necessary at all. But then I see news reports warning that with the onset of the Northern winter and influx of tourists we will see a resurgence in cases. To be honest I am leaning towards having it, simply because of the fact I have a baby, but if I didn't work in the medical field I would definitely not.

Jenifer, thanks for replying - I know you have qualifications in this field so I was hoping you'd see it lol.

Jodi - posted on 09/30/2009

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Erin, do you normally get the normal flu vaccine? Use the same reasoning you have for getting or not getting that to make your decision.



Personally, I am not bothering with swine flu vaccine at all for our family, and I have kids in school :) The reports I saw today indicate that we have already been through the peak, and that it will wind down.

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I wouldn't say that this vaccine was hastily put together. Do you get the seasonal flu vaccine? Because the H1N1 if formulated just like the seasonal vaccine, but with the novel virus. The clinical trails have been conducted the same way that they always are for flu vaccines. Were there things in particular that concern you about it? I will say that I think it is strange to be pushing the vaccine at the end of flu season instead of the beginning, but I see that as a question of efficacy rather than safety.

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