Taking The Toy out of the Happy Meal?

Angela - posted on 02/09/2011 ( 795 moms have responded )

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All of us may have heard of this,by now.

What are your thoughts?

Personally I think its ridiculous! parents Just arent parents anymore.Instead of actually Telling our children "NO" when they want to go to McDonald's For a Happy Meal cause of the toy,and putting up with the "challenges" of our children getting upset cause they want one, Parents Instead choose to turn it around on the society and media of fast food.Thats Like the obese person suing McDonalds cause there 400lbs.

Here is the link to the video:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/209695/abc-nig...

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Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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and here's the info about childhood obesity and it's implications from APHA (American Public Health Association)

I assure you that McDonald's and other fast food outlets don't spend hundreds of millions of dollars on marketing to children if it didn't cause parents to buy it.

Health consequences: Links between childhood overweight, chronic disease, and premature death

* Excess weight can exert a profound and immediate effect on physical, mental, emotional, and social development:
o Compared with normal-weight youths, overweight children and adolescents suffer disproportionately from such chronic conditions as diabetes, asthma, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, atherosclerosis, bone/joint problems, and sleep apnea. (3,12,14,16,18-24)
o Overweight kids experience intense social stigmatization. (14,25) Particularly among adolescent Caucasian girls, Hispanic girls, and boys of all races, childhood overweight is associated with lower self-esteem, a tendency to withdraw from others, increased loneliness, sadness, and nervousness, and increased use of alcohol and tobacco. (26)
o Severely overweight children are more than 5 times as likely as their healthy counterparts to have a lower health-related quality of life, i.e., their ability to move around, play sports, and perform in school, as well as their levels of fear and sadness, and the quality of their relationships with peers. (30)
* Overweight youths have an estimated 70-80% chance of becoming obese adults. (14,15,17,26) People who suffer the burdens of excess weight during childhood are at continued and elevated risk for chronic diseases and premature death during adulthood. (13) Obesity contributes to 4 of the 10 leading causes of death among U.S. adults: coronary heart disease, stroke, Type 2 diabetes, and cancer (1) :
o Heart disease and stroke account for almost 40% of deaths in the U.S., costing the nation an estimated $351 billion in 2003. (27) Obese adults are at ever-increasing risk for hypertension, dyslipidemia, atherosclerosis, coronary heart disease, left ventricular hypertrophy, stroke, and kidney failure. (16,19)
o Cancer is the 2nd leading cause of death in the United States. (16) Excess weight, poor diet, and physical inactivity greatly increase the chances of developing cancers of the breast, colon, prostate, endometrium (lining of the uterus), cervix, ovary, kidney, gallbladder, and potentially the liver, pancreas, rectum, and esophagus. (13,28)
o Diabetes is a major cause of kidney failure, limb amputation, and acquired blindness. (18) Although Type 2 diabetes is considered an adult disease, doctors have seen a sharp rise in the occurrence of Type 2 in childhood, concurrent with the childhood obesity epidemic. (19) 1 in every 3 children born in 2000 will develop Type 2 diabetes if current trends continue. (5)
o Obesity is also a significant risk factor for the following diseases: asthma, kidney failure, gallbladder disease, urinary incontinence, and osteoarthritis . (13,19-21,29)
o According to Dr. George Blackburn, associate director of the Division of Nutrition at Harvard Medical School, “We must…intensify efforts for early identification and early prevention of overweight and obesity, or we are going to have the first generation of children who are not going to live as long as their parents.” (31)

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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what happens (and please answer this) to the children who have shitty parents? Do you really not care that these marketing practices lead to children dying IF their parents are not as vigilant as we are?

I care about all the kids, not just my own.

Stifler's - posted on 02/13/2011

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If the marketing wasn't there,.,.. no tantrums and no giving in. Not saying it will eradicate the problem completely... but what don't you get about that ?

Peggy - posted on 02/13/2011

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The problem isn't the marketing to kids, it's the parents giving in to it!!! Market all you want, let kids cry and realize that throwing a fit for something doesn't get them their way ... Heck I wish it did because then my husband wouldn't have to work crappy work hours sometimes or get deployed, I could throw a fit and get a bigger raise each year. Kids become spoiled brats who seem to rule the house and a parent wants to blame someone else... They e en try blame the tv shows their kids are watching instead of looking in the mirror at the person who is really to blame!

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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and lead in paint on toys should also be allowed...can't forget the lead in paint now.

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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yes...free market for all...bring back the pyramid scheme, the snake oil salesmen, Joe Camel, having doctors recommend cigarettes to pregnant women on television, alcohol for teething...whoopie, let's have a free for all...cause who cares about other people's kids.

Peggy - posted on 02/13/2011

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I have never seen a baby look at their feet while trying to learn to walk... They are looking straight ahead trying to keep their balance. So are the play gyms or jumpers banned also? How about highchairs?... Babies have fallen out of them for not being strapped in properly and have seriously injured. So should everything that could possibly hurt or kill babies/children be banned? I don't see anyone saying that handsanitizer be banned... Kids try to eat it because some smell good. Kids medicine is made to taste good... I don't see anyone making the manufactors take a part of the blame when a child OD's on it when a parent allows a child to get acces to it. Heck, marketing should be banned for everything..... Then that would fix the world... LOL!!!

Stifler's - posted on 02/13/2011

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I'm really not sure why people aren't getting this. Statements like "oh if there was less lazy parenting this wouldn't happen" and "blame the parents not mc donalds" AREN'T GOING TO HELP ANYTHING. Only mandating marketing practices is going to have an impact on the problem. No one is denying that it's the fault of the parents doing it.

Becky - posted on 02/13/2011

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Walkers are not only banned in Canada because they're dangerous. They're banned because they are hard on baby's hip development and contrary to popular belief, do not actually help a baby learn to walk earlier. They may even delay walking because the baby cannot see his or her feet, which is important to learning to walk. So they're dangerous and useless.
It is a little sad to me to see so many on here who obviously love their children very much and do everything in their power to take care of them, but have no concern for other children. Banning marketing to children doesn't hurt anyone, except the bottom line of the huge corporations, who make way more than they need to anyways. Fast food will still be available, so parents will still need to take responsibility for whether they feed it to their children or not.

Peggy - posted on 02/13/2011

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Well see, it's not the walker that is injuring or killing babies... It's the careless parents.... I know some can't grasp the concept of putting blame solely on parents bit the bott line is IT IS ON PARENTS!!! As far as the dropside cribs... I have been a employee for the U S Govment as a room lead/floor supervisor of a Child Development Center and believe me when I say they have most strict policy dealing with rules. And if all dropside cribs were unsafe they would NO longer be used. Swaddling babies is against regulations because there were kids who died from crazy parents trying to "rebirth" their "problem children. Babies ate still dying of SIDS sowing I shouldn't let my newborn sleep... Sounds stupid doesn't it?.. So does blaming a walker for a child falling down a flight of stairs while in a walker. If that child fell down while in a walker then they were put in a dangerous position anyways to fall down while crawling or rolling or trying to walk.

LadyJane - posted on 02/13/2011

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I see more and more parents looking towards business to take care of their children instead of them doing it themselves. I never needed a baby monitor. I always had the baby in the same room as me, even when they were just taking a nap. I never let them get all hyped up over the commercials either. If I want to take them to Mcdonalds, it was when I decided to take them, not because a particular toy was being included in the meal, but because it was a choice. Some parents just don't get it, that it really is u p to them to decide. Temper tantrums or not, parents are supposed to be the boss not the kids.

Angela - posted on 02/13/2011

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Laura I just want to see that demographic your looking at,talking about all these deaths of children from obesity and how there is a direct correlation of FF to their deaths...Cause I havent heard of a child dying from obesity...There are other factors that contribute to obesity such as genetics and family history

http://www.cdc.gov/Features/Obesity/

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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wow...you are CHOOSING the most dangerous crib and walker on the market...you inspire me...lol

I'm sure the marketers out there are proud of the fact that your evangelism (yes that is the term for a fan that will not only buy your product but will fight to the death that your corporation has rights).

To the point of choosing the death of children born to lazy and stupid people over requiring UPRIGHT BUSINESS PRACTICES NO MORE, NO LESS from a corporation that has been training you like a monkey since you were a small child.

They've done well.

Peggy - posted on 02/13/2011

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I just don't get why someone could actually believe that if ff was to stop marketing 100 % that these parents who feed their children crap being the one who is causing their health issues to begin with will stop being lazy and to start cooking healthy.... I would be willing to beth last dollar that their house is full of JUNK food also!!! Oh and I can still buy drop side cribs and baby walkers... Matter of fact I just did today... So obviously with all the info how there have been children hurt or died it's not stopping people.... I can imagine the crap I am going to hear from people on here.... Lol

Erica - posted on 02/13/2011

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Parenting has declined a lot over our generation, and it's not just the fast food aspect. Parents are the role models for their kids. Corporations are making their money the same way they have for quite some time now. But funny how our parents and their parents were able to grow up just fine. Mostly it was parents saying "No" and "TOUGH, quit your whining it isn't getting you any where."



These parents make the decisions to drive to McD's or other fast food places.



I know these kids who are "doomed" to their parents way of life will get educated in other places besides home.



Stopping advertising to children? There goes all the color and life out of fwhat you buy. I'm sorry, but I personally like all the color on the Cerel boxes :) - granted I don't buy them all but, wouldn't it be crappy to walk down an isle with just card board boxes with plain type on the box....



Parents need to learn to discipline their children....and be able to say No...



My main sayings "No" and "Do you really want to throw a temper tantrum, it isn't going to get you any where but more trouble".... My two year old knows this...

LadyJane - posted on 02/13/2011

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There are tons of choices for those who like to eat at McDonalds. You can order a salad for your child and buy the toy separately. I've done it. I usually order either the tossed salad or chicken salad if I felt healthy that day. It's about moderation anyhow. I don't go to McDonalds that much anyway. You can buy the toy separately for a more healthy choice in food, Salad vs. hamburger. Or you can request the happy meal without the toy if you don't like the toy being offered. I've never thrown away the happy meal toys. I've given them away to needy children who can't even afford to get a happy meal to begin with depending on the quality of the toy. So I don't get what the whole deal is anyway. My son isn't overweight, he's quite active. He actually doesn't care since we only go to McDonalds once a year, though sometimes once a month during the summer.

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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I just thought of the perfect solution! Instead of getting rid of marketing to children...we could simply force incapable parents to be either sterilized or have abortions whenever they become pregnant!

Problem solved!

Angela - posted on 02/13/2011

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I know your not talking about responsible parents but Iam. Cause in my opinion there is NO SUCH THING AS BAD MARKETING,when you have capable parents! and Like I said we will agree to disagree. cause we dont agree. and we never will. :)

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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why do you keep talking about responsible parents? I've quite clearly said I'm not talking about responsible parents...

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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but no...you're not allowed to carry your child on your lap in the car, you're not allowed to buy a drop-side crib for them to sleep in, you are not allowed to put them in a wheely walker, you are not allowed to sell alcohol with toys, there are sooooo many things we're not allowed to do.

it's part of living in a society that believes that even children with shitty parents deserve to live.

Angela - posted on 02/13/2011

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okey,so this isnt getting anywhere...we will agree to disagree.
cause its clear we dont agree. LOL.

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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yes...you can still eat at mcdonald's...I feed my kids there sometimes...we just want them to stop the brainwashing

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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Do you truly believe that marketing to children has no effect on them by the way? I said that and you didn't agree or disagree.

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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well...perhaps we can check the stats on whether a child these days is more likely to be kidnapped or die of heart disease, type two diabetes or other obesity related diseases...then I suppose we'll know what they need to be protected from

Angela - posted on 02/13/2011

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oh yes and the children need to be protected from Fast Food...Im sure thats what they need to be protected from...Oh you know and they dont need to be protected from being kidnapped or being physically abused by parents or a violent neighborhood or gang violence,or HIV/AIDS....but fast food.

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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I just meant that there ARE consumer protection agencies for a reason, and the fact that you actually believe that marketing has no effect on children scares the living crap out of me...

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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So do you blame the light socket for being there and tempting your child to play with it? or do you take SOLE responsibility for not moving him away?
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You didn't understand my answer.

Since nobody is marketing playing with sockets, it would be all my fault...IF somebody were making up little songs and rewarding them for sticking forks into walls...they would SHARE part of the blame.

Angela - posted on 02/13/2011

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You havent answered my questions...and Laura,I could care less if your glad im not in charge,your not either so I suppose thats saying something as well :)

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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because you see...some parents are stupid...some are lazy...some are alcoholics and drug addicts...some are just plain SHITTY parents.

I happen to believe that THOSE children who are born to SHITTY parents deserve to be protected too

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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so...that song shouldn't be pulled from the air? I'm glad you're not in charge :)

Angela - posted on 02/13/2011

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Yes but you as a parent would know its wrong and once your child sees that,its your responsibility to inform them how bad that is...and you still didnt answer my question.

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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How bout I make a commercial for children with a really catchy song telling them to stick their tongue in a light socket and then pay millions to air it on the family channel and then send them a prize in the mail whenever they actually do it...am I remotely responsible then?

Angela - posted on 02/13/2011

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Absolutley.
How about this:

you tell your child not to touch the light socket over and over again. You explain that if he puts his finger in there or any of his toys in there,he's going to get hurt really bad and its going to hurt...So he does it anyway and you let him do it instead of moving him away from the area or discilplining him for not listening to you for the first time...So do you blame the light socket for being there and tempting your child to play with it? or do you take SOLE responsibility for not moving him away?

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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so removing the marketing would have no effect on the number of children who are sick and dying of obesity related diseases...right?

Angela - posted on 02/13/2011

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Its in the last part of my post:

it would make a huge difference being that we wouldnt have to make excuses for parents who are too stupid enough to educate themselves on FF,and NOT turn it around on marketing..thats the difference it would make,it would make parents SOLELY responsible.

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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Yeah...that's why McDonalds spends hundreds of millions of dollars on it every year...cause it doesn't work hahahaha.

man they are good at creating not only sheep but SOLDIERS for their cause, you guys amaze me.

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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oh, I just read your post more carefully...you think removing marketing would make NO difference...other than to remove excuses???

Isobel - posted on 02/13/2011

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So what did you mean when we said banning marketing unhealthy things to children would make a big difference...and you said "of course it would make a huge difference"

Angela - posted on 02/13/2011

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"ya-huh...that's EXACTLY what I'm saying...removing the marketing would save children's lives AND parents need to be responsible."

"have you been reading anything I've posted? cause I've said like at least 50 times...parents ARE responsible for their children's eating habits"

Laura,Since I was the one who began this topic,yes Ive been reading what you and everyone else has been posting.

You misunderstood me.
its not the marketing that leads to "the deaths of thousands of children" its the parents CHOICES!
We all have a choice whether or not to feed our children FF. and like I said before if the parents are too stupid to educate themselves,thats SOLELY the parents fault...And I was agree with you on it being nice to have a complete ban on marketing anything unhealthy to children,ofcourse it would. I mean then we wouldnt have to make excuses for parents who are too stupid enough to educate themselves on FF,and NOT turn it around on marketing.

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my son is too young to know what a happy meal is thank god! we go out to run errands once a week and this usually takes a while but if he's good i usually get him a small pop corn chicken and water from KFC it seems to satisfy him and i always use the word "treat" when i buy it for him

Isobel - posted on 02/12/2011

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I'm not anti-McD's either...I've stated that I LOVE Big Macs (seriously...I dream about them) and my kids are allowed to eat ff...I just feel like the companies go too far in their "blurring" the lines of morality.



If you KNOW that your actions are leading to the deaths of thousands of children every year because you are tricking them AND their parents...you have an obligation to change your tactics.



I never said it WOULD happen, I said it SHOULD happen...and I also never said that parents were not ultimately responsible for what their children eat...just that children should be protected when a morally bankrupt system meets lazy or unintelligent parents.

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I feel compelled to say...this is the second time this particular debate has been on this board...with hundreds of responses from two sides that are very passionate. Aren't there bigger issues in life to worry about than a toy in a meal?

By the way, I agree with Laura. =)

I also feel compelled to say...why would McD's put the toy in if it didn't help sell the food? Isn't that a waste of money and resources? Yes, marketing works. And we should be concerned for the children it affects.

And yes, I like McD's and my kid has eaten her fair share of chicken nuggets...so I'm not anti-McD's. But I'd like to see a corporation do the RIGHT thing instead of looking for ways to increase their profit. Yeah right, like that will happen.

Isobel - posted on 02/12/2011

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...and...it's LaurA are you guys just trying to mess with me or is this particular thread like the Bermuda Triangle of Laura?

Jodi - posted on 02/12/2011

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Laura, that's the second time on this page I have reminded people that no-one is saying the parents aren't to blame......but that doesn't mean that large corporation shouldn't be held accountable for their predatory marketing behaviour. **sigh**

I think I'll go buy a McDonalds franchise.......

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