the middle east- ugh!!!

Danicia - posted on 02/24/2013 ( 31 moms have responded )

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I don't know how many of you are as fed up with the middle east as I am but seriously people! get your sh** in gear!!! I personally don't know why America has decided to be "world police" and put OUR soldiers into their crap! we've been over there for what, going on 12 years? Yes, it's tragic and sad that their governments and civilians can't work effectively and safely for everyone and there's oppression, but what position are we as Americans in to fix their problems?! we don't even have our country out of debt or our society working, how in the world are we able to afford to fight someone else's fight? oh, and while we are fighting their fight we are cutting our military's budget, how the hell does that make sense!?

In short, America is not in the position to "help" other countries. Our education system is consistently diminishing, our unemployment rate is not decreasing steadily if any, and we can't AFFORD our own country let alone another country's battle. We need to get our butts out of there, fix ourselves then maybe bother with their crap!

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Jodi - posted on 02/24/2013

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You do realise, Danicia, that if it weren't for your military sticking their noses in other people's business (your perception), there would be LESS money in the economy, right? The tools used by the military is big business. Have you ever looked at history? War has historically been what has pulled countries out of depressions and recessions, not peace.

Not that I believe in war, but I don't think you have an understanding of the economics of it if you are blaming the economy on the US being at war and peacekeeping in various parts of the world.

I guess I am also trying to see how this was someone else's war, when the US are the ones who went in to Afghanistan following an attack on its own soil by the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Do you think it is that simple to go in, create upheaval amongst the various factions in Afghanistan to suit your own agenda and then walk out, leaving the country devastated? Is that somehow right in your view?

Danicia - posted on 02/27/2013

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You two would both make EXCELLENT politicians' wives. your points have nothing to do with fixing our country and all about blowing American dollars on another's struggle.

how does donating things to the VA help with the military budget that the military receives from the government? that's like saying donating things to Salvation Army will increase test scores for inner city schools.
Where cuts should be made- politicians' paychecks.

Live military life, you could learn some things about what the US is doing on foreign affairs that is not warped through media. But don't worry, your beloved war will continue. I think it's ridiculous and pointless to have our soldiers continually being sent over there but whatever. Enjoy your pompous opinions!

Cecilia - posted on 02/25/2013

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because she would rather leave their country in shambles. To her, their hardship is their own problem for allowing a dictator to run them, I guess.

You know it's the same as speeding and getting a ticket. It's the cops fault that I got a ticket and that it isn't paid because i don't have the money to deal with the consequences of my actions.

Jodi - posted on 02/25/2013

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I'm still trying to figure out how it is someone else's fight when the US declared war on the Taliban in the first place, AND declare war on Iraq in the first place. and they are the ones who went in there and disrupted society there to the point where now they need a peacekeeping force. If it hadn't been for the US doing that, then it would be a non-issue.

Cecilia - posted on 02/25/2013

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I did not say they do not need training. What i said is you flipped on the issue. First you want to talk about us spending too much money then complain enough isn't being spent where you think it should be spent. I love the you simply ignored the other post all together. You want to talk about you personally (yes how it affects your husband is a direct to you)

Please explain to me how having all citizen serve changes how much money is being spent? Wouldn't we be spending more money to properly train all citizens?

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Cecilia said, “Speaking fees. You consider that a job? How long will this job really last him?”
You’re kidding right? $89 million over the past 12 years is about $7.4 million a year. I’d gladly flap my lips for that kind of speaking fees. The amount Clinton’s earned since leaving office would make a darn fine income for most Americans. I don’t begrudge Clinton earning all he can, but I do begrudge him half a million taxpayer dollars annually just for office space (in addition to all the other perks.) With that kind of income, he ought to forgo the taxpayer dollars and throw it in the SNAP pool; lord knows there are plenty of disadvantaged Americans bitching about not getting enough public assistance. So I don’t get it... What’s your point?

Cecilia said, “Yes both Lincoln and Kennedy were done in with fruit... that's what happened.”
...uhhh, no, they were shot. I almost, almost, get that you’re making an analogy here, but I don’t get it... What’s your point?

Regarding the VA; this is probably descending into nit-picking territory... Thanks, but you don’t need to send me a photo of a donation bag and still think you may be referring to some other entity. From my personal experience, the VA’s primary role is not collecting used stuff for distribution or resale. Perhaps in your area the federally-run VA is administered differently?

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"You two would both make EXCELLENT politicians' wives."

Gah!!! Didn't anybody react to THAT comment.

Hello Danicia - you might have heard, women can actually be politicians themselves, not just politicians wives! It's true really!

Cecilia - posted on 03/13/2013

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I think if we simply take away the tax exclusions they have it would do a great deal of help. And since you mentioned 6 digit incomes, why not raise they taxes to be somewhat more equal (percentage wise) with other tax brackets? Money can be found in numerous places. That is my main point. Some of those places come from regular everyday people do things to help their own community. Will what I do in my own community (in NY) help people in Utah? Probably not, but it's a start and helps people directly around me.

Danicia - posted on 03/13/2013

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1% CURRENTLY serving. i'm talking about today's active duty soldiers, not veterans.
I agree that the way to fix our broke country isn't to pay the military more. i'm saying that b/c we are so broke we shouldn't be throwing more soldiers out into other countries, which costs us billions, for political reasons when we have a financial issue going on. if we are going to cut anything, it should be politicians' paychecks. that was a comparison showing that they can afford a cut in pay to help out. if we aren't going to pull out, we shouldn't be cutting the military budget. there are other places to cut, and I think politician paychecks would be a good start. multitudes of American civilians are getting slammed with paycuts or layoffs, so why can't our 6 digit income politicians feel the same thing? cutting military budget literally puts lives in danger. cutting 6 digit incomes by some, no one is going to die from that.

Cecilia - posted on 03/13/2013

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http://www.infoplease.com/spot/veteransc...

Do the math, more than 1% of the population serve the military in their life. I have to do the actual math on it but just veterans are closer to 15% of the total population. This does not include those currently serving or those who are no longer alive.

Cecilia - posted on 03/13/2013

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I'm not disagreeing that military should make more. Nor am I arguing they could use more money in all the aspects of the services provided for them. You're saying the country is broke. I agree. The way to fix it isn't paying the military more.

I'm also not agreeing on the aspect that not one politician cares about the military. That is like saying all black people are ghetto. Are there some? Yep, but not even half act that way. Same may go with politicians. We can't group a group together to dictate a mind set. That always gets us in trouble.

Danicia - posted on 03/13/2013

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politicians see a paycheck, not a person. they see a pawn in their game of chess, not a soldier. I did agree to stand by my husbands side and support him 100% when he chose to be part of the 1% that serves this country through military service. I support the soldiers, not the politicians who control their future. The soldiers have volunteered to put their lives into danger while politicians could care less what happens to the soldiers. Congressmen make around $180,000 + a year, no where near what most soldiers make. an e5 in the army makes anywhere between $27,000-32,700 a year. Mind you an e5 usually is in their second contract and has already served 3-5 years.
if my tax dollars should go to anyone's paycheck, it should go to the person(s) out there getting their asses shot at for months and having to put up with political bullshit day in and day out instead of the fat cat in the comfy chair that just listens to arguments all day and gets paid EXTRA if they don't resolve anything in the allotted time.
if you expect someone to perform their job and live to tell the tale, give them all the training that at one point was listed as necessary instead of cutting it. cut your own damn paycheck if you aren't going to pull out all our soldiers and bring them home.

Cecilia - posted on 03/13/2013

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"So maybe Danicia was expecting to have her husband home for 6 months and now he’ll only be home for 4 months which means in addition to less time at home," You do realize unless she lives on base, he is away from home for training right? So it means less time he'll be away.


I do know that our local VA mails out bags each year.to put items in and leave on your door step on one he day listed on the bag, they will pick up all items. It states that many items are needed to give out to veterans that they lack, all other items will be sold for profit and money will be used by the VA for various things.Next time they mail me a bag i'll take a picture of it before I fill it just to curb your curiosity if you like. My oldest also volunteers there. So when it does come to the VA yes, I do think I have a little bit of information on what they do.


"According to CNN as of July 2012, Clinton has earned $89 million in speaking fees alone since leaving office "
Speaking fees. You consider that a job? How long will this job really last him?


"Yup, those poor politicians are in the war zone for sure; they’re in danger of being pelted with un-donated rotten fruit flung by their constituents."
Yes both Lincoln and Kennedy were done in with fruit... that's what happened.


As far as the actual most paid president, Yea my numbers might have been off. I believe the site I was looking at was for Bush, but I can't remember exactly. I know it was about Bush making it where each president after him will make so much. Do I know exactly how much Clinton has- no sorry. My data might have been off by one president, for that I am sorry. I am sure though that the pay raise for district judges has also been raised to be equal or close to, so the statement still does sorta stand. Many people make equal to presidential "salaries" (no one will ever know how much in extras they are really getting).

I guess my point is she says politicians should take a cut. By saying politicians she has cut out other branches of government which do include judges. You can't just pay cut to those you don't like. That is unfair. We don't like them because they have a job where you can't please everyone.

A one ended approach to fixing a money issues isn't going to work. It's like trying to make a family budget. If there is a deficit you simply say oh lets buy less food and there that fixes it. Instead I'm saying explain the the family we need to turn off lights and spend less money eating out, we will keep our driving to when we need to. Then we will be okay. My solution to the issue is ask everyone to help out more. If we help our own country we are better off for it. If my children remember to turn off the lights they are doing their part to help the family budget.

As far as her not needing the VA yet, I did say she may need their help later on. they do more than medical.

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I agree, Jodi, perhaps Danicia should have started a slightly different topic; we may never know since it looks like she fled. But I noticed that she did try to back-pedal by stating it was mostly a rant because her husband is deploying, so I was merely suggesting we could cut her some slack since budget cuts do smack her close to home.

I believe that reduced funding for training Army ground troops (vice training pilots, of which the Army has few compared to the Air Force or Navy) means less time between deployments. So maybe Danicia was expecting to have her husband home for 6 months and now he’ll only be home for 4 months (I totally pulled those numbers out of my ass as an example) which means in addition to less time at home, his risk of being maimed or killed has been raised due to more frequent deployment. Of course, her concern is a totally selfish attitude since she and her family are racking in all those government dollars, but she wouldn’t be the only American with a “me-me-me first” attitude (me included.)

Incidentally, Cecelia, I don’t know where you’ve been finding your information for the last two years. You’re flinging false facts around like candy.

Do YOU even know “what the VA is and what the VA does”???
The VA is for veterans’ services, not active-duty, and is administered by the government/tax-dollars. I’m dubious that you could find a VA administrative facility that would accept your old washing machine or your old coffee pot. Although, some VA MEDICAL facilities do accept donations, primarily in the form of cash or volunteer labor--some will accept material donations--I’m pretty sure that a VA medical facility would not take your old washing machine. Perhaps you meant the USO or some other private supportive organization? Donations to any such private organization wouldn’t help one whit towards funding training or deployment. Donations to the VA also do not impact funding for active-duty military training or manpower.

I’m assuming Cecelia raised the point of salaries for elected/appointed officials because elected officials are all sucking on the taxpayer teat? If so, the numbers and ideas are flat-out wrong.

A former president only earns $150,000 in retirement pay???
Actually, it’s more like $199,700.

A former president will never get another job???
According to CNN as of July 2012, Clinton has earned $89 million in speaking fees alone since leaving office (...without taking into account other earnings or his wife’s earnings.)

A former president has to maintain a staff???
True, but... for 30 months, he gets $150,000 and after that $96,000 annually for staff salaries. Plus reimbursement for office space (most recently $579,000 for Clinton,) office supplies, postage, etc. I’m not just picking on Clinton, for each of the former presidents still alive, it’s roughly in the ballpark of $1 million annually. The almost $200,000 pension itself is peanuts compared to office/staffing expenses.

A former president’s life will always be in danger???
True, but... Since 1994, former presidents were afforded taxpayer-funded secret service protection for 10 years after leaving office. In Jan 2013, LIFETIME secret service protection was reinstated for former presidents, first ladies, and their children (until 16 years of age.) The secret service budget request for 2013 was $1.6 billion (this statistic is a little misleading since the secret service does a few other things besides protecting former presidents, such as dealing with major fraud and counterfeit money.)

Yup, those poor politicians are in the war zone for sure; they’re in danger of being pelted with un-donated rotten fruit flung by their constituents.

By the way, some of the arguments here look like a sieve they’re so full of holes and I could continue all day, but my opinion on why we’re in the Middle East can be boiled down to a couple basic reasons: 1) We want fuel for transportation and 2.) We are trying to maintain stability so we don’t end up with nuclear fallout raining down on our pretty heads.

I (me-me-me) don’t want to pay taxes at all, but I’d rather pay for the military (who work and put their lives at risk) than for swollen budgets for ex-politicians or for some other programs loaded with people who do nothing while reaching for an ever larger hand-out.

Cecilia - posted on 03/11/2013

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Although I do understand she might be concerned. She isn't doing anything about it though. She is not willing to even donate blankets and old coffee pots to the VA to help others when she also may need their help in many ways later on. She does not see how this will help a budget at all...

And no she might not get a pension but there is always assistance for service men and their families that many do not know about. USAA for example is where i go to get my car insurance. Much cheaper to go through them. I can get it simply because my grandfather served. I will also get cheap housing insurance through them.

My point was that she wants cuts to be made. The truth is so many places weren't cut. Things that will help her, her husband and her children for many years to come.

Jodi - posted on 03/11/2013

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Perhaps Danicia should post a debate about the pay and conditions in the military, rather than a debate about the military being in the middle east :)

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I enjoy tossing out my pompous opinion, so here goes... I disagree with pretty much everything Danicia has said regarding the US position in the Middle East. But I’ll leave that part alone because it can be pretty inflammatory to people. I would like to comment on some remarks regarding pay and pension.

Yes, this is a debate forum, but maybe we could cut Danicia some slack for being passionate on the subject. After all, her husband may come home in a body bag; in which case the pension’s out the window; she’ll get some survivor benefits and if she’s lucky maybe some anti-war protestors intruding on her husband’s funeral. Her husband may come home with some body parts damaged or missing. In which case, he’ll get either disability pay via the VA or a lump-sum payoff. Some body parts are quite lucrative; for example, loss of a testicle is worth a lump-sum of $25,000 (no pension, though, so don’t spend it all in one place.) The lost testicle is paid for under his Servicemembers Group Insurance on which he pays premiums.

By the way, he doesn’t get the pension unless he does the time; for example if he gets fat eating those MREs he gets the boot and no pension. And another by the way, if he’s an enlisted man on the lower rungs, he’s really not earning that much. For example, an E-6 with non-working wife and two children here in WA state is eligible for WIC and possibly other assistance; I haven’t checked the numbers recently. Totally off the top of my head, I’d estimate it’d take him 10 to 12 years minimum to make E-6.

Granted, he and she should have gone into it with their eyes wide open. But I sure can understand why Danicia might be a little bit worried.

Finally, Danicia, I apologize for being somewhat crass in discussing your husband and his parts; you must be terrified. Our (husband and I) thoughts are with you and we thank you for your service.

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I have to say, Danicia, that I am a US citizen as well, and from my POV, you seem to actually have blinders on, whether you're a military wife or not.

I'm not even going to step foot into this, except to say that if you have all of hte solutions, why don't you share them with the rest of the country? Jodi's points are very well stated, and from a completely non biased point of view, being that she's on the outside. Cecilia's points are also very well stated, and presented, while all you have done is rant about the state of the US military and our pushiness in regards to other countries, without offering any solution.

So, I post the following questions. If we should "get out now" (Afghanistan, middle east in general), are you prepared to have your income reduced further by the reparations the US will be required to pay for destroying that country's infrastructure, military, and law enforcement? Do you even understand what happens after a war? It's not like we all pick up our toys and go home...there's a mess that needs to be taken care of. WE, as the country responsible for the mess (it wouldn't be a mess had we sent in a team of assassins to track down the ONE leader of the attacks against us...) have a moral obligation to at least leave the country as good as we found it. So, again, are you ready for the payments we'll be making to Afghanistan?

You do realize, don't you, that we haven't been "out" of the middle east since the mid 80's, right? We have had a presence in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan since prior to Desert Storm.

Now, I agree that the US poking their noses into every other country's business is poor form, and I agree that we need to fix our own problems, but the fact of the matter is this: you pull all of our troops out of everywhere that they've been placed, and world peace will soon follow. It's tenuous at best now.

Oh, and your view of "maybe it would be different if, like in Israel, we were required to serve in the military"...we had that, my friend, it was the draft, and it didn't go well, part of the reason that it was stopped.

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I truly understand your frustration Danicia. However, the other points being made are completely valid too.
I do not believe we should have ever gone back to Iraq. As Jakki stated it had nothing to do with terrorist threats and more to do with oil and backdoor politics. However, the government DID send the troops there and just blowing up another country and then walking away ( as Jodi explained) cause "oops, we're out of money," is not acceptable either.

While in the past a war brought us out of a depression, what is going on today is completely different. We were already at war when the depression hit and unlike WWI we are not plucking "common" people out of their homes and putting them to work.

Yes, ending the war and bring a large portion of the military home and having less need for weapons, vehicles, etc., would reduce the military budget - which is the largest piece of the budget, but as another post stated this would create more unemployment because there would be a slew of soldiers, and bomb makers, and others out of jobs.

You are right in that the way we support our soldiers and veterans financially is quite terrible. The lack of coverage concerning the amount of causalities is deplorable.
I hate that we send these young adults into a war under the pretense that they are defending our freedom when for the most part that is a lie.

Unfortunately the solution is not cut and dry. Ending the war tomorrow wont fix the economy. And throwing more money at the military wont better prepare the soldiers for war. Its very complex and while I have opinions, I wont pretend to understand the complexity of the problem and how should be fixed.

As for our politicians, our government is horribly corrupt! If we had the power to cut politicians salary (we dont, we have very little power) and that would cause them to leave office than GREAT! Maybe we could start fresh and get back to a government that serves the people instead of the other way around. However, politicians get there power from large corporations who poor money into their campaigns and there pockets to do there bidding. So, truly a reduction in pay may not do much, if the companies that have the real power continue to support the corrupt leaders so that they do their bidding.

Now I could go on all day about corruption. However, that is not what this post is about and I have shit to do :)

Jodi - posted on 02/27/2013

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Well, Danicia, it IS a debate forum. No need to get huffy because we disagree with you ;)

You obviously haven't read what I've said, because I clearly said I don't agree with the war BUT, now that you've gone in and destroyed a country, you can't just turn around and walk out. Ask Germany about that one.....they had to pay reparations for over 90 years for what they did in WWI.

Cecilia - posted on 02/27/2013

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What happens for your budget cut.. we cut politician pay. Then no one wants to run because it will not be worth it. Then what do we do? We have no one left to run the country. Which would include our military. This would be a simple invite for anyone who doesn't like us to come and attack. If we can't keep our own government running we're in big trouble. So you know they recently (last month) Mass. did have a pay cut of 1.8%, maybe you should know these things,

The same is true for all branches of the military. If we do not offer a acceptable wage- no one wants to join. Then we have to force people, who are then mad about it. they don't want to fight for a country who has removed their right of choice. You would never ever except a paycut to your husbands pay check. Why expect a politician to do the same?

Did you know, senators and representatives make the same amount as District Judges? Exact to the dollar including retirement. So i assume judges should have their pay cut also right? A retired President only makes $150,000 and he has to maintain a staff. He will never get another job. His life will always be in danger. Oh that's right you don't care. Yes our soldiers put their lives on the line but so do politicians. They never leave the war zone- we the people they were trying to help- are their enemies.

Cecilia - posted on 02/27/2013

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What i said is if you want your community to function better and you want our country to be "fixed" then help it do so. Get up, go donate your time. Yes people might be unemployed. That really does suck (although it has nothing to do with the war in my opinion) The least you can do is help out by giving these kitchens an hour of your time.

Do you even know what the VA is and what it does?(and how it is directly connected to the service and service men?) Obviously not. Go there one day and ask them how donating goods to them would help the governments budget. Here i'll explain it again for you. If you give the VA things, they do not need to buy them. They can give them away. If they can get things for free, they need less of a budget. Even if you give them items they don't need- they sell them and use the money for other things, like helping someone pay for medication.... If they need less money- there is more money for other things.... Are you really not to getting it?

Go ahead and assume that i have not and do not live a military life. I have not watched the news in about 2 years. So i don't get my info from the media. As it was said before, you personally profit from our soldiers being sent over there, since your husband will make a paycheck. I do not love war. although this is no longer a war- it is a clean up mission. We made a mess and the responsible thing is to go clean up the mess we made. You should try this aspect in life. Try teaching it to your children, it's a great trait to have.

Edit- do you know what pompous means.. because it does not make sense here...

Cecilia - posted on 02/25/2013

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still my original post stands. If you have problems with how the government is spending money do your part to help. If you dislike how schools are funded go vote the next time they have votes on how to spend money. If you disagree with budget cuts to the military donate goods to the VA and help them out. If you donate an old washer it is one less they need to buy for a vet. (if the VA doesn't need as much money more is spendable in other place, kinda how food banks work, most of them live off of donations, they need little government funding because of this)

Okay fine you don't like fighting someone else's fight. But what if it was our fight and someone was helping us out. OR decided not to because their country wasn't in perfect condition. You would call them selfish. Especially if they were responsible for the fall of our old government. We made a mess. I will admit to that. A huge one. Now we are RESPONSIBLE for cleaning up after ourselves.

Since you don't want the cuts to be made to training, please explain where they should be made? Should they be made to the paychecks of our service men and women? Mind you as it was pointed out, you personally are reaping benefit from this "war." Your husband is going to receive a paycheck and then a pension. Mind you your husband is not going to be part of half staffed platoon. He will still have the same number of men beside him he always would. So a half staffed hospital in this case doesn't make much sense.

Also you're not making much sense on the whole issue. You flip flop all the time when it comes to money issues. Complain all you want that we're low on money but you have yet to make one suggestion on how to make it better besides pull out ( which most people agree would be immoral to do) You complain about unemployment, which BTW would only get much worse if we do pull out. We would have how many unemployed soldiers???

Danicia - posted on 02/25/2013

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Jodi- technically we don't just have our troops in the middle east. we have them literally all over the world. trust me, I would completely support my husbands decision if he chose to retire from the military, 100%. My original post is not about me, it's about the fact that we have been in the middle east for 12 years. That's ridiculous. We aren't leaving as soon as the media claims, we are wasting our resources at this point.

Cecilia- as I said in my original post, we need to get our nation fixed before fighting everyone else's fights. obviously we rather continue going into debt. if we can't afford to fight someone else's war, we should not be there. if we are going to send a man or woman into a war zone, why in the hell is it acceptable to cut their training? you don't show a doctor how to do a procedure once then not give him additional training and practice for him to truly get the procedure down before having him do it on a live patient.

did I say people all having to serve would change how much money is being spent? no. I said their OPINIONS. when I see ignorant opinions of how it's ok to cut necessary budgets (i.e.- military, education, etc) I would just love to see those who have those opinions live the life of the people trying to make those professions work on a tight budget. Let's go back to the medical profession example- it's super hard for a hospital to function with half the staff b/c they are facing budget cuts.

Jodi - posted on 02/25/2013

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You do realise that without the war, your husband wouldn't have a job, and neither would many others in the military, right? Tell me again how you are being negatively affected by the war?

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I would LOVE to see how peoples' opinions would change about this war if we were set up more like Israel where all citizens are required to serve their military for a specific amount of time. When it's bull like this where the average civilian is not personally affected, who gives a flying flip! send all the soldiers wherever you please!

clarification- the military cuts do not affect me, they affect the preparedness and effectiveness of our soldiers through a cut in their training budget. of course you don't think they need the training, who needs to be prepared for a crisis to the point where they react according to the intensive and constant training vs letting themselves get caught up in the action and freaking out, potentially causing death to themselves and their fellow soldiers. my statement is not based on news "facts", it's what i'm getting directly from my husbands' commanders- people who are directly affected by the decision. you do realize that the news also doesn't report how often American soldiers are coming home in boxes on a daily basis, right? that would further decrease Americans' morale of support on the "war on terror".

We should not be over there anymore, hence we should not be wasting money on war.

If we are going to be stupid and stay over there, supply the soldiers with the training hours and resources they need.

simple as that.

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" My highest frustration with us being everywhere is that our economy keeps getting worse and our economy is now affecting the soldiers that need the materials and training to do their jobs. It seems like they are setting up for failure"

So wait i thought you wanted us to stop spending money on the war.. now when it affects you, you want us to spend more? please make up your mind.

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Ok the US does seem to stick it's nose into other's business. I do believe the reason why is actually WWII. We didn't get involved for a very long time. Basically we were forced to get involved. The war might have ended way before had we gone in to help sooner. Wait you guys didn't realize that did you?

What if you switched spots, and we needed help. Would we be mad about getting that help? No i don't think we would. I think you be be complaining instead about how selfish the world is and they think that because they have some debt they can't help. Please go on about how they don't appreciate it because the truth is most of them do.

As far as our military taking on cuts. From what I understand it isn't that huge of a deal. Pentagon is the one taking on most of the hits on the budget. My mother in law works at the pentagon and she said basically it isn't as bad as the news makes it sound. Other things taking a cut is flight training time. Instead of training mainly in the aircraft of choice they will do more simulated training. They will still train in their type of air craft but will not as much. This means that someone might have trained 90 out of 100 times in the craft, Now they will do 75-80. As far as your husband goes, we're not in a full blown war. he doesn't need full on training in my opinion. We are now at this point on a peaceful mission. (for the most part) You want to yell and scream about us spending money on this war, then say we need to spend it.. make up your mind.

Instead of yelling about how bad things are, do something about it. Tutor at your local school to help these an underfunded education system, if nothing else show up and vote on how the school will use money they do have (yes all school do these votes, usually they are pretty vocal on asking on what others think should be cut and what shouldn't)... Donate unused items to your local VA, with or without money they can use it. Donate time to a soup kitchen to help our unemployed. It's much easier to yell than to do something though isn't it?

Jodi - posted on 02/25/2013

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"they" (meaning Afghanistan and Iraq) didn't attack you. A certain militant group attacked you. You can't go in, take over their country to find that certain militant group (that has nothing to do with the everyday civilians), destroy their infrastructure, totally destroy their way of life and then just walk away. Sorry, but you just can't. History tell us that such actions only increase the likelihoods of hatred and further retaliation. Is that what you want? Or should we all make efforts at maintaining peace, which includes cleaning up our messes. No-one has the right to be as selfish as to walk into a country, totally destroy it and then walk away just because a particular group of people who happen to be hiding out in that country did something bad.

You reap what you sow. Get over it.

Danicia - posted on 02/25/2013

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a lot of this post was a rant. My husband is in the army and currently preparing for deployment. The government has yet again cut the military budget which has dramatically affected his training schedule negatively (they have canceled and shortened trainings to try to work with what they are given). My highest frustration with us being everywhere is that our economy keeps getting worse and our economy is now affecting the soldiers that need the materials and training to do their jobs. It seems like they are setting up for failure (that is an emotional assumption vs a statistical one) and that highly ticks me off.
On the oil concept- we have it in our own country, they are drilling in the northern states and there's more in Alaska. we choose not to rely on ourselves and keep capitalism at large. we have the technology to wean ourselves off oil too but that's not happening that fast either.
quite honestly Jodi, we killed the "leader" who arranged the attack on our soil. that was our goal. I honestly think we shouldn't be there anymore. it's selfish, but that's their problem. they attacked us, we settled the score so now we need to get out and focus on things in our country to make it better.
this war has not been helping "boost" our economy. there are other things that need to be focused on in our economy than fighting. our country is so in debt it's ridiculous.

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Danicia you are absolutely right - the US has no business going around the world getting involved in other countries trying to promote its own interests.

But I don't think this was you were actually saying, was it! I agree with the end point of your arguement "ie the US should get its own house in order" but I don't agree with any of the logic you use to get to that point.

Re the Middle East - have you heard of oil? That's the main reason why the US goes to war in Iraq/Kuwait etc.

In general, the US has no idea about what is going on the countries were it gets involved and the reasons it claims are the motivations for going to war are usually a complete lie.

I say "usually" because I could think of WW2 as being one example of the US getting involved in a foreign war in a positive way. All the other examples I could think of were a disaster and based on a lie.

Danicia, from your post I wonder if you realise how much more there is to know about the Middle East and why the US gets involved - if you are interested you could access some alternative media outlets and realising - I recommend the Guardian and the Independent newspapers in England.

You actually say "I personally don't know why America has decided to be "world police"", so it sounds like you might be interested in finidng out. Go for it.

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