Think your kid is safe? You're probably wrong...
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Sarah - posted on 12/01/2010
Well, I just googled car seats and winter coats and amongst sites trying to sell me both those things, were quite a lot of sites providing the same information that Dana has shared.
One bit I read was this :
A Real Life Example
In order to become a certified CPS tech, Ellis had to take an extensive car seat safety course and pass both a written exam and hands-on car seat installation exams. "When I took my tech class we were shown a picture of an infant seat with a snowsuit under the harness," she says. "The seat was pulled out of a car that had just been in a crash. The infant was ejected from the seat and the car and was found some feet away from the car, but the snowsuit was left in the seat just as the baby was wearing it."
Ellis says other parents can learn a valuable car seat safety lesson from this real life crash story. "It's a great example of what can happen in a crash if the straps are not tight enough and if a thick blanket or coat is under the harness," she says. "The harness must stay close to the child's body at all times."
I think that if people want to research it all more, then that's good, personally though, while I'm researching, I would change the way I strap the kids in with winter coats on, just to be on the safe side.
Kate CP - posted on 12/01/2010
Okay, here's how I see it...
You put the kid in a car seat, adjust the straps accordingly while they are wearing their coat. We're using a kinda puffy coat (like a parka or a thicker winter coat) in this instance, so you have to let out the straps to allow for the extra fabric. They APPEAR snug in their car seat. If you were to get into a collision going 35 MPH while the child is strapped in the way I described (although they SEEM snug) the fabric they are wearing WILL compress and they will slam against the restraints. If the restraints are too loose this can cause a bruised or broken sternum, ribs, and other internal injuries. Just watch the video I posted. This is a child that is securely fitted into their car seat. They force with which they hit the restraints is phenomenal. Now, imagine that the fabric that's taking up that little 1/2 to 1 inch of space suddenly "disappears" during the crash (gets compressed). That's a lot of extra force on a small child's frame.
LaCi - posted on 12/01/2010
This is based on highly shakey "physics"
1. the fabric is already compressed by the carseat straps when adjusted tightly-which I don't see in the first picture as there's not even much indention on the coat itself.
2. The compressed fabric is added mass and can not be compared to the loose straps when that mass is taken away. The fabric is already compressed by the straps, the comparison is the equivalent IMO to a person losing twenty pounds and never adjusting a lap belt (old school).
Surely everyone here has done the egg drop in grade school.
I'm emailing mythbusters, because the physics here is questionable- and I say physics because someone said something about people denying physics. While I do not question that a coat, even though already compressed by the straps, will compress more it will not compress to the degree those lose straps are showing. You've removed MASS. That's like saying a fat kid in a car seat is facing danger because the straps are lose on his/her skinny counterpart.
Bonnie - posted on 12/02/2010
There is some arguing because of people's opinions in other communities as well. I've noticed that after a while. Not everyone is ever going to agree; not possible. It is just taken better in this community or at least it should be. And does it really matter how long a topic has been debated? To me it brings on more views and points the longer it goes on. So longer it carries on the better IMO.
Dana - posted on 12/02/2010
That happens quite a bit, Lisa, I've seen that said several times. It's really weird, I wonder if people don't realize that they're in a debating community or they're just not that bright...either way, rather strange.
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Here's what goes through my mind whenever someone takes their ball and goes home. Anyone ever watch the comedian Ralphie Mae? He does this thing throughout his routine where he takes his finger and runs it down his cheek (like the path a tear would make) and he does this sarcastic sad face and says "boohoohooooo". Sometimes when I read on here, I actually find myself tracing my finger down my cheek at someone....boohoohooooo. Please.
"Yeah, I think everyone can figure out that they're removed mass. The fact is, the coat will compress enough to make the straps looser. It's really not rocket science."
Dana you sound like my old D&T teacher, that was his favorite phrase - it's not rocket science folks...hence the funny - I'm not being snarky or anything.
Shauna - posted on 12/01/2010
WOW ... after really reading through all these posts .... WOW thas all i gotta say ... how did something get so carried away!? A bunch of craziness!!!! .... I dont think anychild is safe unless he/her is in a Britax car seat ..... whithout their coat on.... anyone going to jump down my throat???? HAHA
I was just trying to be helpful, since Sherri was looking for more research. And yeah, there are pages and pages of info about it. It just makes sense to me because, although yes, by removing the coat in the OP link, you are removing mass (going from coat to no coat), you have to see that leaving the coat on, it may not compress to the exact amount that it looks like (the loose straps without the coat) but it WILL compress enough to not be safe, IMO. And according to the class we took, plus all the articles I just read....I think it's sound advice.
I don't see these links posted yet, so here are a few I found that support children NOT wearing thick, bulky coats in carseats. We're talking coats, not thin jackets or other thin items like sweat shirts. I will say this though, Jacob has a sweat shirt hoodie that his Grandpa bought from Harley Davidson and (to me) even that's too thick for my peace of mind. I can tighten the straps as tight as they will go and I still feel like there is too much room under the straps so he doesn't wear that one in the car either.
Sarah - posted on 12/01/2010
Try these : http://www.healthychildren.org/english/s...
Q: Can I adjust the straps when my baby is wearing thicker clothing, like in the winter?
A: Yes, but make sure the harnesses are still snug. Also remember to tighten the straps again after the thicker clothes are no longer needed. Dress your baby in thinner layers instead of a bulky coat or snowsuit, and tuck a blanket around your baby over the buckled harness straps if needed.
Dress your baby in clothes that keep his or her legs free. This will allow you to buckle the latch crotch strap properly between the legs. If it's cold outside, harness your baby first and then cover him or her with a blanket (never cover your baby's head). Never buckle a blanket under or behind the baby.
The bit that starts ''During cold weather....''
Sure there's more out there too ;)
LaCi - posted on 12/01/2010
This had quite a lot of info on it."
I checked that site, being it was a product site and also the source of pretty much the only information I can find on the entire subject concerns me.
Now, I'll go put my son in his car seat without a coat, put him in his coat and then back in the carseat without adjusting the straps.
Sherri - posted on 12/01/2010
I don't feel I am horrible it was meant sarcastically also I never implied that anyone else didn't know the laws. If it came across that way it was never intended too. I just meant that is what I do, wasn't meant others don't but I assume since we are saying coats are bulky parent's aren't pushing down allowing for air to escape before they are tightening the straps so it is still as close to their skin as possible.
Jaime - posted on 12/01/2010
"I only allow enough room to fit two fingers underneth the straps even with there coats on but that is me I guess."
The condescending tone with which you made this comment, implies quite clearly that others are not schooled on the guidelines and regulations of carseat safety. And while there are some people who I am sure need to be more aware of carseat safety, no one in this conversation thus far has given the impression that they are unable to follow the recommendations set out by the minstries of transportation in their respective countries.
Also, no one even remotely implied that you were a horrible person. Give that one a rest, please.
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