To the ultra religious, and not so much....

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/02/2011 ( 29 moms have responded )

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Ok, so we have had evolution/creationism debates, Christianity debates, now I want to tie this all into it....are we alone in the universe?!? I mean really, do you all think God created all this just for one measly planet to have intelligent life?!? There are so many galaxies out there, I mean BILLIONS...really...what do you all think? I for one cannot wrap my brain around the enormity that is our universe...and though there is no proof of life elsewhere, I like to think we are not alone in such a vast place.

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JuLeah - posted on 08/02/2011

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That's my point Rebecca. We value life based on IQ. We think we have an understanding of what 'intelligent' means.

We don't even understand how the brain works, but we think we know what intelligents is and we think we understand how to measure it. We place value on life based on assumed IQ

What IF there were a way for us to communicate with an Oak Tree, or Pine, or Redwood ... I wanna be PC here, it doesn't matter what tree. Would we learn important things we don't yet know?

What IF we were able to see intelligence as something beyond a number of a graph? Would we be willing to listen more closely to the ramblings of a toddler, or the mind wandering monolouge of an elder person?

Women have less value then men becuase women are not thought to be as smart. We are not good at math, I was told from the time I could walk.

People of color were of less value, in part, due to an assumed lack of intelligence.

But the thing is, we don't even know what intelliegce IS

Just because we are not smart enough to communictae with something/someone, doesn't mean they have nothing to say

I would love to know the thoughts of a tree that has stood for over 500 years

ME - posted on 08/02/2011

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Stephen Hawking believes that the odds are, we are not alone....he's better at figuring odds than I am, so I am willing to trust his judgement on this one...

JuLeah - posted on 08/02/2011

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We are not alone. "I believe", doth quote Fox Mulder.



I laugh at the idea of 'intelligent life'. I think maybe other life forms view us as intelligent in the same way we view the common house mouse as intelligent.



I think we don't even know what intelligent is, given the value we continue to place on IQ.



I think, maybe, when we develop into an intelligent race, one worth knowing, maybe we will have a visit from our neighbors.



I personally think that once we, as a people, see the dolphin and pine tree as life forms of equal value to ours, we will have evolved enough to have caught the attention of others in this universe. But, we have a good distance yet to go before we reach that end. We don't even value ourselves yet.

Minnie - posted on 08/02/2011

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Even from a biblical standpoint there is nothing that negates the possibility of another sentient species or any other life out there.



I believe there is life on other planets. Not necessarily at our own intelligence level or higher, but definitely life.

Veronica - posted on 08/02/2011

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From a Christian standpoint - the awe of the Lord is soooo vast and everything He does is possible - so there may not be any evidence to support the theory -- but on the other hand, I think there is a huge possibility that He may have others out there - I dont know exactly 'what' God is - he isnt Human - and isnt exactly a 'spirit' either - although these make up two of his entities -- so its just such a wide open idea and I def. feel that it could be a major possibility.

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Charlie - posted on 08/03/2011

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I think we are absolutely not the only "intelligent life " out there ......what a shame if we were , really is that the best they could come up with ?

I watched a very interesting doco on plants and one part was on communication , as a sentient being they have amazing ways of communicating between each other via complex networks , they can warn each other of predators which can cause chemical reactions within the plant to repel the attack so saying you would like to communicate with a pinetree isnt really far fetched .

Rosie - posted on 08/03/2011

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i have no clue, i'm gonna lean towards yes there is other life out there. i don't really think about it i guess, it hurts my head, lol.

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I don't believe there is life on other planets, but I'll admit that God could've created it elsewhere if He wanted to. I'm not God though, so I don't know. ;)

Merry - posted on 08/03/2011

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Idk, I always thought that we were it and god just made the universes for us to discover, but maybe! It would be cool, but I think that god loves each of us and enjoys each of us enough that we could be all he desired to create.
So I'm undecided, but I could believe either.

Karla - posted on 08/03/2011

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Wait, our Sun is one of about 100,000,000,000 stars in our Milky-way Galaxy. Our Galaxy is one of about 200,000,000,000 galaxies.





So it seems within the realm of probability that some of the aliens would look like Fox Mulder.



;-)

Krista - posted on 08/03/2011

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I just hope that the aliens look like Fox Mulder. I could totally get behind that. :)

Karla - posted on 08/03/2011

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JuLeah What IF there were a way for us to communicate with an Oak Tree, or Pine, or Redwood …….We don't even understand how the brain works, but we think we know what intelligents is and we think we understand how to measure it. We place value on life based on assumed IQ



Marina But intelligence is a word regarded for those with brains.



As I understand it, JuLeah is saying – what if we could communicate with all living beings on earth? I feel as though this is more about communicating with, respecting and valuing all living things.



The intelligence part comes in understanding (on some level) what other life forms (within our environment) might teach us. Intelligence is something we try to measure, but it is very abstract. There are arguments on IQ testing all the time, so talking about the “intelligence” of anything will, by definition, be an abstract.



I think this could be interpreted as Science: the more we understand about a life form, the more respect we have for its being. And/Or it could be interpreted as a metaphysical phenomenon of in-depth or even spiritual understanding. (Kind of like my daughter has with her cats.) Maybe "metaphysical experience with" would be a good definition for what JuLeah is describing?



As per the OP, I cannot wrap my brains around the enormity of the Universe either. And I just heard Scientists are speculating whether or not there may be other Universes beyond ours. Mind you – we are specks on earth, which is a speck in the solar system, which is a speck in the galaxy, which is a speck in our universe….which is…..

That’s mind boggling.

Minnie - posted on 08/03/2011

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I sometimes wonder if there might even be some still here on earth we don't know about

This is a definite. New species are being discovered all the time. Which is why it's so important to care for our planet. Imagine species we have never known existed being destroyed without us knowing!

Your're right, Marina. Intelligence is only something -we- define. From our own perspective.

Katherine - posted on 08/03/2011

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I know we're not alone. It's practically impossible. We have been talking about Mars and life there for ages.
Not sure I believe in all the UFO stuff, but I definitely believe there is life elsewhere in our solar system.
I can just picture them building a UFO and saying, "Let's fly to Earth." lol.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/03/2011

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But as far as intelligence go, I will say it is a word made up of course by humans to describe "thought, communication, learning, problem solving, questioning". I think it was solely geared towards beings with brains. If you want to debate that trees could communicate through roots, than that is fine. Who am I to say they don't....after all, in order to be alive, we all have energy. But intelligence is a word regarded for those with brains. It would have to be another word for those with no brain and use photosynthesis for food. That includes plants, trees, grass, even plankton.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/03/2011

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Hmmm...all very interesting. I am actually quite surprised at those that are religious believing it would be far fetched to think we are it. I have known so many ultra hardcore religious that think we are it....PERIOD!

Jennifer - posted on 08/02/2011

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I'm a Christian, and I do believe the Bible is God's word, but as others have said, nothing in the Bible says we are the only one's here. I have also intertained the thought that maybe God's plans changed after 'the fall'. There is no proof of this, but maybe we were meant to spread to the other planets, and farther. He said go and fill the Earth, eventualy the Earth would fill up, and we would spread?

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"We are not alone. "I believe", doth quote Fox Mulder."

I drink my coffee out of my favorite X-Files mug!

Kate CP - posted on 08/02/2011

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I do believe in A god. What his or her intentions are or were is beyond my understanding. I believe in AN afterlife...but not the one that's sold to us as heaven or hell, though. I don't believe life just ends at death. I don't believe life ends at the edge of our solar system. There's so much we don't know and can never know...but I think that's part of the beauty of it.

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A dolphin, sure, they are quite smart. But, a pine tree? Intelligent life won't contact us until we value pine trees more?

Well, I guess I could buy that more than a virgin birth, so who knows.

I'm sure there is probably other life out there we don't know about. I sometimes wonder if there might even be some still here on earth we don't know about...somewhere in some remote location. I'm not taking about Bigfoot, although, who the f knows, just things science have yet to see or discover.

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I was going to say pretty much the same thing as Julianne. (BTW-cute kitty! Is he your furbaby or just a random pic?)

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I would be highly surprised if other lifeforms were not out there. Its pretty far fetched to think life only exists here on earth.

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Like Lisa says, there's nothing in the Bible that says we're God's only creation. It's entirely possible that there are other life forms out there on other planets. Although I think it's pretty much been proven that there aren't any on any of the planets in our solar system, but that doesn't mean there aren't any elsewhere.
I don't lie awake at night worrying about alien attacks though! :)

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/02/2011

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Exactly Krista, arrogance of humans to think we could possibly bit it!

Krista - posted on 08/02/2011

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Like you state, Marina, there are so many other galaxies out there. I think it's arrogant for us to think we're the only intelligent life form out there.

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