US has the BODY of Osama Bin Laden

Tah - posted on 05/05/2011

I agree that he wa someone's father, brother, son, friend...so were the people that were killed on 9/11 and i don't remember any of them making videos and or threats against him or his country and i doubt they had carried any out. he was not some innocent bystander. It scares me all the time what our country and other countries have or will do and yes what they can do, and even though im not doing a jazz routine about his death doesn't mean i feel sorry for him. He showed not even one ounce of remorse for all those innocent people who died without a chance to say goodbye to their loved ones. I also wanted to say that i dont think for one second that he would have came out that place waving a white flag. I may be wrong, but im pretty sure spendng his days in an Amercian prison, being interrogated having a trial etc, in our hands was nowhere on his bucket list so i would have a problem believing that he was gonna come without incident. Do we know exactly what happened, heck no, and we never will. Those who do ain't talking yet, so we will just have to wait for Jesse Ventura to grab the files and publish his next book.

Amber - posted on 05/05/2011

@ Jenny~ I don't agree with not having a trial because it would be a circus. I personally believe that had he surrendered, as Hussein did, that he should have been put on trial.

Dana - posted on 05/05/2011

It's not the media spinning it, it's the fact that there are different accounts of what happened and after talking to all those involved they're getting a better informed idea rather than reporting after talking to one soldier and viewing one camera.

And the woman who was once reported as being used for a shield is actually his wife, who charged the soldiers and they shot her in the leg.

So anyone who has doubts about it actually happening, she's alive and talking about the death of her husband...

Amber - posted on 05/05/2011

Not if I were out manned and out gunned.. I'd be holding my hands up in surrender.

@ Tara~ If they were just going in to kill somebody then why wouldn't they go in, do it quietly, and get out without anybody knowing? Spies and government agents from all over the world are in and out of foreign countries all the time without anybody knowing. We only know every once and while when they get caught. So, I don't buy that theory.

Jenny - posted on 05/05/2011

We don't know what the real story is because they keep changing it.



We don't have sympathy for Bin Ladin, we appreciate due process and justice. We don't support shooting an unarmed man in the face on a kill mission in a sovereign nation. It was wrong and it was illegal.



And to not have a trial because it would be a circus? Are we at the point now where if things get too hard we say "Fuck it" and shoot a guy in the face? Justice would be too much work? That's the type of people we are?

Tara - posted on 05/05/2011

@Sara B, do you know that the images you saw of him supposedly using women as shields has been de-bunked as a fake.
Do you know that almost all of the information you get from mainstream news has been written and scripted and is not really news at all, just a one sided spin on things.
The fact remains that this kind of take down of a wanted man has all been too tidy, too neat, too easy to wrap it all up. To bury him at sea, during a ritual islamic burial? Yea right, and George Dubya read the eulogy, and while we're at it, Rumsfeld helped to wash him and Cheney wrapped the shroud around him. All as likely as him being buried at sea.
Whether he was guilty of all the crimes he is accused of or not, the fact that they went against international laws and simply shot him down, took his body and tossed him out at sea without any formalities at all smacks of a cover up.
I still say he died years ago from Kidney failure, the man was on dialysis when 9/11 occurred, proven by the French government. So who was the man who they shot?

Desiree - posted on 05/05/2011

Amber if you where being attacked wouldn't you reach for a weapon, no matter what kind it was?

Amber - posted on 05/05/2011

@ Sara B~ Actually, the original statements said that women were used as human shields. Now, it appears that one died in cross fire and the other charged at the SEALS. So, they are saying that they don't think any women were used as shields in the way they originally thought.

I am kind of wondering how so many misstatements were made in the first place if the president was watching. If it was all on a live video feed for him, then why did all of these incorrect details make it into his statement?

@Desiree~ I know that they said he was unarmed. But they are also saying he was reaching for a weapon. That's where the confusion is.

Desiree - posted on 05/05/2011

I never said I was sorry for him, but I do feel for his family he was still someones father, brother, husband, son. They are the ones left behind and have to live with what he has done. And who says that the sins of the father are not visited on the child. Anyone in the future who meets with these people will always look down on them. And its not the childrens fault nor the wives, knowing the Muslim law most of them were arranged marriages. He is dead great, but now what? Do people really think that there is not going to be repercusions. As to American Soldiers dieing, well considering they have walked into someone else country and dictated to them how they should live, What do you actually expect, Considering America fought against the UK because the British came into their country and tried to tell you how to live. Hmmm now don't I see a contridiction here. How is it they instigated a gun battle against the seals, the last time checked the seals attacked them not the other way around. I do find it interesting the different points of view to this topic. I don't like the way things were done. Any other country would have taken major heat for the same thing. And at the front of the group would have been the US. UK. Come on so Pakistan doesn't do everything America wants now thats a problem. Yes He was a monster, when did it mean that we should become bigger ones. Yes in an odd way I am glad the families can now get some sort of finality.

Sara - posted on 05/05/2011

And Desiree, I don't think killing another human being is anything to be proud of either, but as I've said before I have ZERO sympathy for OBL, and it really surprises me that so many people seem to. He was a monster, plain and simple. Do you know that women were used as human shields by him and his people during the gun battle they instigated with the SEALS? Does that still make you feel bad for them?

Sara - posted on 05/05/2011

Pakistan has not exactly proven to be trustworthy when it comes to matters like this. They play nice and friendly to our face and then turn around and arm rebels that kill American soldiers. Sooo...I'm willing to take a wild guess that it was a security issue as to why they were not told of the plans. Was that the right thing to do? I think it depends on how you look at it. Arguments could be made either way. I really don't think Pakistan has a track record with the US that has garnered trust, but they sure don't have any problem taking aid from us, do they?

Desiree - posted on 05/05/2011

It was the USA government who confirmed that he was unarmed and that they watched him being taken off the planet. That just goes to show a number of things and personally makes me ill. It doesn't matter that he was in another country hiding it was not the US's place to just walk in and take over. Why the hell did they not talk to the Pakistani government, to me that smacks of a cover up and hidden agendas. If I was facing men in black pointing guns at me and my children were in the room with me, You bet I would fight back even without a gun. I am sorry but this is nothing to be proud of.

Isobel - posted on 05/05/2011

yeah, he was tried by the interim government that replaced him...

Dana - posted on 05/05/2011

Because Jodi, we didn't have Saddam on trial in the US and we didn't sentence him either.

Jenni - posted on 05/05/2011

Is it possible they were afraid of what he might say?
Did he know something damaging?

Amber - posted on 05/05/2011

In my mind, getting over it is not forgetting that it happened. It's not releasing all feelings or memories of it. It's forgiving and moving on from it.

Even in my personal life that's how I see it. There are a lot of things that have been done to me that are wrong, but continuing to be angry and vengeful will not right the wrongs. There will always be personal feelings attached to incidences.

I don't think that either side is justified when killing each other, but unfortunately war happens. And I really find "he who is without sin cast the first stone" to be an oxymoron; most wars in this world have been due to religion. All of the conflict now basically started due to religious differences between the Middle East and the West. Those are not the reasons today, but it's in the roots of the conflict.
I also want to point out that Pearl Harbor and 9/11 were attacks during times that the US was not at war.


I read that he didn't have a weapon, but was attempting to reach for one when he was shot. The CIA director said he "made some threatening moves".
I wish they would just come out and say what happened, wouldn't that be better than hinting about it?

Sara - posted on 05/05/2011

"does it not make you a little nervous that the US thinks they can simply execute unarmed citizens and then bury their remains without any kind of international approval?"



This happens all the time, and not just by the US. You don't think there are secret military operatives in every country in the world that have been charged with assassinating a leader? And besides, the guy wasn't a Pakistani, he hadn't been granted asylum by Pakistan (that they were willing to tell us anyway), he was a Saudi fugitive who commited crimes against humanity and happened to head one of the largest terrorist orgainizations in the world. To me, we didn't violate his rights. I mean, I can see where you're coming from, but I just don't agree.

Jodi - posted on 05/05/2011

I often question how Saddam's death sentence was carried out so quickly when there are people sitting on death row who have been there for 10-20 years......

Sorry, just a random thought.

Sara - posted on 05/05/2011

But how did they know he wasn't armed? From a military perspective, the guy could have had a detonator to a bomb or something like that in his posession, there's was no way for them to know that he WASN'T armed in some way when the sniper shot him. Tactically, I don't think they were given much choice. And with the guy's track record, you have to assume he was armed.



I really fail to understand why this guy seems to be given so much sympathy. I have zero sympathy for him. The idea of him being captured and given due process is noble, but 1) he would have never allowed himself to be captured, IMO and 2) any kind of trial would have been an absolute circus. I think it only would have served to further the cause of this followers and present an absolute security nightmare for anyone involved.



There's always going to be woulda, coulda, shoulda's in any situation, but you know what? I wasn't there. Highly trained military tactical experts were there, and if they thought they had no other option but to shoot the guy, then that's probably what had to be done.

Tara - posted on 05/05/2011

I don't understand why the international community isn't crying foul about this. He was unarmed in a different country. He was shot in the head by a sniper in front of members of his family and friends. If he was unarmed why didn't they take him into custody to be charged with the deaths of all those people, why didn't they put him on trial and them execute him the way they did with Saddam Hussein? Why hasn't the UN condemned the US for this incredible against international law? What gives them the right to go into a country, find and execute an unarmed man without due process?
I find it appalling that there are people who are rejoicing in this. Despite what people believe he did, the US does not have the right to go around executing people outside of the law.
I strongly believe that this is going to increase the mentality of terror fear. 9/11 isn't solved, the issues surrounding the intelligence given prior to 9/11 isn't solved, the government still refuses to release all documentation regarding 9/11 and the FBI etc. etc. even if you believe all of that, does it not make you a little nervous that the US thinks they can simply execute unarmed citizens and then bury their remains without any kind of international approval? There are laws about things like this, that's why Saddam was sent to the US to be tried and found guilty and executed, why not Bin Laden?
Is it because he supposedly killed Americans? Unlike Saddam who "only" killed his own people and the Kurds?
Hmmm... so unlike the US to handle it this way.
The Propaganda machines are in full swing today with regards to possible retaliatory actions by Islamic extremists and other potential terrorist activity. Let's see what happens next...

Sara - posted on 05/05/2011

Regardless of whether or not he actually had a gun, he was in a compound where they started firing on the SEALS the minute they landed. Do you really think he was ever going to surrender, even when he knew he would have no choice? Sorry, don't think so. While I'm not celebrating in the streets, I will never give one ounce of sympathy for a man like OBL.

Jodi - posted on 05/05/2011

They say he didn't.....but I don't necessarily believe everything they say. I don't even know who "they" are......

Rosie - posted on 05/05/2011

what video have you EVER seen OBL without a gun? i highly doubt he didn't have one.

~Jennifer - posted on 05/05/2011

I see it as no different from a small community or a city rejoicing and breathing a sigh of relief when the police catch a serial killer.....

I'm not toasting his death with a beer.....but I'm not unhappy that the asshole is dead, either.

The area in which I live lost 147 people that day.....



**edit to add

147 people = 1 person for (roughly) every 3 miles of land in our county.

Isobel - posted on 05/05/2011

ahhh...he was found on May 2nd...sorry about that.

Desiree - posted on 05/05/2011

A small correction Hilter died on the 30 April 1945 not 2 May.
I am just trying to get my head around the fact that regardless of what this man did. He was unharmed when he was shot and in front of his wife and children.(one daughter id him) and to top things off with it the president and whole crew of people watched it live.( At least that is what was told to us.) It may as well have been a snuff movie. This is one of the reason many so called Super powers have such bad reputations through out history. every one is pointing at everyone else and many people claim to be against the death penalty and yet they are celebrating the "execution" of an unarmed man. There was nothing brave about any of it, it would have been in my opion different if he had been killed on American soil, who gave anybody the right to creep into another counrty and decide what justice should be exacted. And now they think they have the right to question that country about his living thier. Pakastan is a muslim country why should they not be allowed to habour who they want. It's not like America isn't habouring fugitive or for that matter any other country in this world. you can't point fingers at another country when they one you are living in has it's own crimes to live with. my own country immediatly on the news of the death of Ben Ladin issued extra security warnings, because we have no idea what the backlash is going to be. Not everyone thinks its the greatest thing to happen. Yes 9/11 was terrible. Someone bought up Japan and WW11 even then I can't understand how anyone can justify it. Japan attacked a naval base casualities were 2403 only 68 were civilians when the state bombed Japan and it was 2 cities not 1 the casualites were +-250 000 not counting the costs of those who died later from thie injuries or ilnesses bought on by poisins in the air. the people were civilians not military. 9/11 casualties 2966 the war resulting from that is in the tens of thousands, many were civilians caught in the cross fire. Where is the justice in that. Those are only 2 if i look hard enough i would find many more from one end of the world to the other. Britain has a very brutal history too and then again so does my own. No one country is excempt from the wrong doing in the past or the present. "Let him who is sinless cast the first stone," Unfortunatly those who cast the stones were not guitless.

Jodi - posted on 05/05/2011

Ok, I am not wanting to cause too many issues here, BUT.....



Is the US going to feel that 9/11 is resolved in 50 years? Or is there still going to be hurt? Can I point out some things that probably still have some unresolved hurt? Slavery. North vs South. Jews would have hurt about their treatment in WWII, direct or indirect. Vietnam vets AND the Vietnamese affected by the war. If it wasn't so late here, I could probably list more. Well, definitely. There are MANY hurts throughout history. I think each and every one of those hurts deserve respect, whether we agreed with it or not, whether we were on opposite sides or not. I don't think you can put a time frame on hurt and devastation.



Ask an African American when they are going to build a bridge and get over it.......I wouldn't because I don't think it is appropriate, nor productive, and quite honestly, yes, the past is the past, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Amber - posted on 05/05/2011

@ Vanessa~ Yes, receiving relief is something to feel grateful for. It's called class. One should always be thankful for getting things that they didn't earn due to another's kindness.

And yes, I do think that we need to get over it to some degree. Hating these people does not bring back the victims. It increased fear and anxiety and has decreased tolerance levels. So, yep getting over it would probably be good for us, forgiveness is always a good thing.

The difference between the two things (Hiroshima vs NYC) is the time frames. One happened decades ago and there is no threat anymore, but the other is still not resolved.

I quite like it up here on my high horse; the air is nice and I can see over the top of everybody's heads. Nothing like a clear view :)

Tara - posted on 05/05/2011

I wasn't going to post anything in this thread, mainly because my own opinion is what some might term a conspiracy theory. I am not glad the Bin Laden is dead, I honestly believe that he has been dead a long long time. The fact that they buried his body at sea in the Arabian Sea before anyone could really get a good picture or get positive identification beyond what the military tells us they did. I have a hard time believing that if they really had Bin Laden's body that they would so quickly dispose of it, if they really had it, they would be flaunting it to the rest of the world. They would not have given him what they term and "Islamic ritual burial" they would not have honoured him that way. It just doesn't make any sense, it's too neat and tidy. Bin Laden was not armed when they supposedly shot him dead. He was identified by facial recognition by the shooter and later identified through facial recognition by some of his higher ups, then apparently had his DNA matched to a sister who died from a brain tumour years ago in the US. Where is the independent proof that they actually killed Bin Laden?
There isn't any. Because he has been dead for kidney failure for years. Either way, I'm putting my tin foil hat on, might add a tin foil poncho this morning... but here you go.... my sleuthing about Bin Laden and his history with the CIA/Bush family and the Saudi Royalties.
So tidy and convenient to find and kill him just short of the 10th anniversary of 9/11. So convenient. There is no way they could keep this charade up past the 10 year mark.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheori...

CONSPIRACY OR COINCIDENCE?
Is it a conspiracy or a coincidence? There is a long and tangled history between the Bush family and the elite of Saudi Arabia.
It begins in the 1970's in Houston, Texas, when George W. Bush was just starting out in his family's two businesses of politics and oil. The powerful - and very rich - Bin Laden family helped fund his first venture into oil.

The cozy friendship continued for decades. After a terrorist attack at a barracks in Saudi Arabia which killed 19 Americans, the bin Laden family received a multi-billion dollar contract to re-build. And incredibly, George Bush Sr. was in a business meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington on the morning of September 11th with one of Osama Bin Laden's brothers.

Below is a timeline that details the relationship between the Bin Laden and Bush families that culminates in the tragic events of September 11th.

1968
George W. Bush joins the Texas Air National Guard, a coveted position that ensures he doesn't have to serve in Vietnam. While a member of the Guard, Bush meets and befriends Jim Bath, a former Air Force pilot and budding entrepreneur.

1976
George H. W. Bush becomes director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). During his tenure, Bush helps provide training for the Saudi royal family's palace guard, cementing a relationship that proves critical to the Bush family's fortunes. Bush also privatizes various CIA assets, with Bath considered one of the beneficiaries because of his involvement in the aircraft business. Bath will later tell a business associate heworks for the CIA and was recruited by Bush Sr. Jim Bath is alleged to be the link between the Bin Laden and Bush families.

Summer
A meeting of prominent Saudis occurs in a Paris hotel. Among the attendees is the head of Saudi intelligence, Turki bin Faisal. They meet with a representative of al Qaeda and agree to extend the earlier arrangement made between the Saudi royal family and Osama bin Laden – whereby in return for cash, al Qaeda agrees not to attack inside Saudi Arabia.

The CIA produces an internal report that documents the numerous Saudi charities that are funding terrorists. Osama bin Laden's name is mentioned.

1998
Al Qaeda makes it most audacious attack to date by blowing up US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people.

2000
January
Ziad Jarrah, pilot of Flight 93, which would crash into a field in Pennsylvania on 9/11, is stopped and interrogated at an airport in United Arab Emirates (UAE). He is returning from al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and is carrying Islamic religious material on him. The US is informed of the interrogation but not the details.

January
A high-powered meeting of al Qaeda occurs in an apartment complex in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia. Attending the meeting is Khalid Shaykh Mohammed, the number three man in al Qaeda and mastermind behind the 1998 US embassy attacks, and architect of the USS Cole and 9/11 attacks to come. Also at the meeting is Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, two Saudi citizens who would end up as hijackers on Flight 77, the plane that crashes into the Pentagon on 9/11.

The CIA learns about the meeting beforehand and asks the Malaysian secret police to place it under surveillance. Video footage and photographs of the dozen men in attendance are taken, though no tape recording is possible. After the meeting breaks up, Al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar fly to the US on their own passports, landing in Los Angeles. There they are met by Omar al-Bayoumi, a Saudi national who works for the Saudi civil aviation authority. Just prior to picking up the two would-be hijackers, Al-Bayoumi meets with a member of the Saudi consulate in LA – a man connected to terrorist activity.

Al-Bayoumi takes al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi to San Diego, puts them up in an apartment, signs a lease, holds a party for them, enrolls them in flight school and gives them money. Later, the FBI concludes that al-Bayoumi is likely a Saudi intelligence agent. Al-Bayoumi also passes on thousands of dollars to the hijackers that originate from Princess Haifa, wife of Prince Bandar Saudi ambassador to the US.

May-June
Members of the Hamburg cell, including ringleader Mohammed Atta, enter the US. They are traveling on Saudi visas, all of which contain errors on them.

September
Al-Hazmi and Al-Mihdhar move into the home of a local imam in San Diego, Abdussattar Shaikh. The imam is an FBI informant. In fact, Shaikh holds meetings with his FBI handler while al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar sit in a room next door. Shaikh contends he was never told what mission the hijackers were on. His FBI handler, meanwhile, was never informed by his superiors to look out for al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar.

October
The USS Cole, sitting in a harbour off the coast of Yemen, is attacked by a boat laden with explosives, killing 17 sailors.

November
George W. Bush is elected president of the US in a contested election. Support for his campaign from the oil industry is generous.

2001
In the months leading up to 9/11, the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency receive a burgeoning mountain of intelligence that a terrorist attack of some magnitude, and launched by Al Qaeda, is imminent. They assume the attack will happen overseas.

January
The CIA and FBI begin to piece together the importance of the individuals who met a year earlier in Malaysia. Despite the information they have, neither al-Hazmi nor al-Mihdhar are placed on the State Department and Customs watch list.

April
Al-Hazmi is stopped for speeding in Oklahoma. He is let go because his name does not appear in the police officer's data bank as a wanted man.

May
The CIA will later determine that Khalid Shaykh Mohammed, architect of 9/11 and al Qaeda's other attacks, was entering the US as late as this month, despite the fact he is a well-known figure in the terrorist netherworld, his name first becoming known to the CIA as early as 1995.

June
CIA and FBI meet to talk about al-Mihdhar. But the CIA does not hand over critical information to the FBI. Again, the men are not placed on any watch list and a search for them is not initiated.

July
A Phoenix, Az.-based FBI counter-terrorism agent writes a lengthy memo in which he says it has been noticed that a high number of Arabs, possibly with connections to al Qaeda, are taking flying lessons in local flight schools. His memo is ignored by FBI headquarters.

August
President Bush receives a detailed and lengthy presidential daily briefing from the CIA in which Osama Bin Laden and al Qaeda's aim of launching an attack against the US is discussed. To this day, the Bush White House refuses to release the contents of this briefing to Congressional inquiries into 9/11.

The CIA finally puts al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar's name on the watch lists. By then it is too late. The FBI and CIA do a limited search for the men.

Sept. 11/2001
The attack occurs. The morning of the attack George Bush Sr. is meets with members of the Carlyle Group in Washington. Bin Laden's own brother is at the meeting. Members of the Bin Laden family are allowed to leave the U.S. without questioning two days later.

Erin - posted on 05/05/2011

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Shana - posted on 05/05/2011

Haha. Oh yes, because we should be so greatful that you are helping us? Like I guess you expect that the families that were destroyed by that war should forgive you for it now? How would you like a "build a bridge and get over it" comment about 9/11 hm? Other countries helped out with that. So stop complaining about it? Haha. Really? You are just brilliant. All I was saying, is that there was no -real- justice in killing OBL. Haha this is just classic. XD



And as for "every Japanese having the same belief as me, no. Do all Americans live up on their high horse?

Tah - posted on 05/04/2011

My school didn't get the memo either amber..had a final today myself...

Amber - posted on 05/04/2011

I had final exams...and they definitely weren't postponed for this, I was still sitting there taking my exams.

We're American, shall we still hold a grudge against Japan for starting it all with Pearl Harbor? Shall we collect back all the money we gave for reconstruction? Shall we stop giving for the recent tragedies? No, it's called building a bridge and getting over it.

I don't think that what was done is right, nor that it should have been done. But to come out swinging and making those claims...you've got to be kidding me.

Plus, everything on the news should be taken with a grain of salt. They edit it how they want and can make ANY video fit the story that they want to put out there. Just because you heard it, doesn't mean it's true.
It also doesn't mean that all Americans have the exact same beliefs about things. Does every person of Japanese descent have the exact same belief system as you?

Dana - posted on 05/04/2011

Okay, I removed my comment. Had a moment of stooping down to others level but, I'm over it.

Dana - posted on 05/04/2011

LOL Yeah, I know, that one just totally hit the spot though. :D

Jodi - posted on 05/04/2011

Dana....Step Away From The Computer Slowly..... :D

Rosie - posted on 05/04/2011

my kids still went to school, my best friend still taught her college courses, her husband still went to his college class. nobody i know wants it to be a fucking holiday. good lord. i hate the media.

Isobel - posted on 05/04/2011

Since he was killed on the same day as Hitler...I actually have heard talk about making it a holiday.

Shana - posted on 05/04/2011

Aww. I had a heated conversation with my Mother about if we will ever have world peace. She thinks it will happen > -> And as much as I wish I could believe that, I highly doubt it. 'Tis a sad sad thing.

Jodi - posted on 05/04/2011

I'd like to see a World Peace Day, but that's just not gonna happen......which makes me sad to be honest.

Shana - posted on 05/04/2011

Oh, no it's just you. I have seen several other posts on FB and I actually heard a person talking about it yesterday quite seriously like it needed to happen.



And even if they -did- make a holiday, what would they ever call it? D: Any ideas anyone?



Edit: I am sort of glad you were joking because if you were one of the serious ones I would just have to cry. Or something. :/

Jodi - posted on 05/04/2011

Vanessa, my comment about the holiday thing was a joke..... :\

Shana - posted on 05/04/2011

Haha @ Dana, it was all over the news here how America is celebrating, school exams are postponed, and now people want it to be a holiday? Don't make me laugh. I am Japanese, so maybe we should nuke you back. Don't make me laugh.

And @ Tah, "People truly underestimate what it takes for Americans to truly be free." But what about the innocent people in Afghanistan or Pakistan etc. What about their worry-free nights and freedom? How about the people in Japan who are still sick/dying/permanently crippled forever? So does that mean that when I see American's suffer I can be happy about it? I'm not trying to group everyone in to some nasty super-hero complex category, but sometimes some of these countries do, ALWAYS think that what they do is right and benefits the world.

And on a general note, not just American's are savages. In my honest opinion we all are. Savages for killing other people, trying to justify it when you can never justify taking another life, and most of all, ENJOYING and CELEBRATING the death of someone. Woopdedoo, ONE of MILLIONS of lunatics are dead. Now what? Does it actually change anything? Does it actually make the world a better place? I wouldn't think so. I will say it is safe to assume that someone else will take Bin Laden's place, and now there is just some sick circle where all we do is kill each other and nothing important is achieved.

So do I think you are savage? Not in a personal attack sense, but in a general sense. Yes. We all are savage.

And so the people who lost family in Pakistan and Iraq etc, I assume are allowed to take revenge on America now? Because they lost family and loved ones. The should kill whoever is in charge? And what does that achieve hm? If America/NZ/England and whatever other countries were involved are so friggen wonderful and "peace loving" why don't we be the bigger person and stop the killing?

Jenny - posted on 05/04/2011

I bet they feel the same way when the planes fly by and bomb their cities and homes.

100,000+ civilian deaths and counting in Iraq alone. This war shit has got to stop.

Tah - posted on 05/04/2011

@Vanessa..won't go on forever if your punch knocks him out....I can't blame anyone for rejoicing in this when I sat in a chair at my prenatal appointment and watched those towers come down. People are entitled to be happy when there are still first responders suffering from respiratory problems, post traumatic stress, etc. Children growing up without moms and dads and parents buried their children. Some never even got the closure of kissing their foreheads before the coffins closed, because there was no body ever recovered, or if there was it was not fit to be seen by family. People truly underestimate what it takes for Americans to truly be free. To sleep in their beds worry free and 9-11 disturbed that peace in many ways, so if the orchestrator of that day gets rocked by a navy seal....or whomever..excuse the heck out of those who feel a small slither of justice has been served for celebrating, if makes savages of us then "uuga uggs bomni boogie Bon cleavsw"...

Dana - posted on 05/04/2011

Really? Where was all this celebration at? In NYC and in front of the White House. Exactly where people were effected by 911...so you know what. Big FUCKIN' deal is what I say. It doesn't represent the whole country and we are surely not savages.

Shana - posted on 05/04/2011

Hmph. The reason that terrorism occurs, is solely because they are doing what they BELIEVE in. Like Hitler actually thought he was right in what he was doing, and the same goes for everyone else. Seriously though, I don't think that anyone is -evil- I just think that they do what they think is right. How can you possibly justify killing people? "He punched me so I can punch him back" is just something that will go on forever. It's like pre-school antics. And it scares me that grown men and women are still doing it. And on top of that, they actually have a scary amount of power, enough to kill billions in a split second. It's bloody ridiculous. This is why the world will NEVER rid of war. Because people make up excuses as to why they were -entitled- to bomb another country.

I read this on someone's FB post:

America has officially lost whatever sanity it had left. National celebration over the miserable death of one man. Various assassinations and bribery, being noob enough to get ratted out. Ruining countries full of innocent people. Superpowers have always done shit like this, but they haven't been so bloody self-righteous about it. You won't be on top forever and this is the type of fuckery History will remember best.

And I couldn't agree more. Good to know that we are all savages. I'm not saying that what Bin Laden did was right, don't get me wrong. I just think it is a little twisted to be celebrating this so intensely. The affected families get closure, yes. But the dead don't come back. Bin Laden is dead but it will only be a small improvement compared to what they have all lost.

"Revenge only brings sadness." Why? Because no matter who Bin Laden is, or what he did, there will always be SOMEONE who cries for him. The same goes for rapists, murderers etc. They all have families too. The difference between them and others, is that the others just have more fire power. If any of you people just died one day, the -entire- world won't care. But there will always be someone who will miss you.

Desiree - posted on 05/04/2011

Laura that is an understatement up until 15 years ago Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist, some called him a freedom fighter. Yet many innocent people were murdered in some of the most horrific ways. And yet today he is a hero, there is one thing about the man I admire over everything and that he has the sense never to make lite of his wrong doing or to say he never did it. He takes responsibility for his actions. If he had lost what would we be saying about him.
The winner writes the story whether its the truth or not it becomes irrelevant. My thought on the matter of legitimate army or not is any group large enough and has weapons of any kind are in fact a legitimate army, It can move and it can kill and is very threatening and therefore is an armed force.

Isobel - posted on 05/04/2011

In fact, the line between war and terrorism has become quite blurred.

Many countries have attacked and killed and maimed civilians with little or no after thought.

The question of whether or not Al Quaeda is a legitimate army is every bit as valid as whether or not we are terrorists.

Jackie - posted on 05/04/2011

^^^Is this a serious question?^^^