Vaccinations? Yeh or neh?

Deidre - posted on 07/19/2011 ( 154 moms have responded )

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Am I the only Mother on this whole site that thinks vaccinating my child is a good thing? That it's amazing that we live in a world where polio, plagues and epidemics are non-existent in our westernized societies? I would really like to hear both sides but especially from the Yeh's!!!

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Christine - posted on 07/22/2011

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You are definitely not the only one. I live in fear of sending my children to daycare/school where misinformed parents are not vaccinating their children. Every time there was an outbreak of something serious in my son's daycare (including shingles!), it was because the kids weren't vaccinated! It scared me so much that after my second child, I quit my job and am now a full-time SAHM with my children. They have yet to get a serious illness of any kind and they seem happier that I am home with them, too. Long story short, yes, please vaccinate your kids!

Christina - posted on 07/21/2011

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Oh, and I have two children who have autism. I still vaccinate. Autism is not caused by vaccines. My daughter had symptoms of autism from the day she was born.

Christina - posted on 07/21/2011

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I vaccinate! I personally don't think the risk is worth it. I have a friend who was adopted. She contracted polio as an infant before she was adopted and is partially paralyzed from it.

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I dont vaccinate because myself, siblings and my daughter all took a reaction to our first vaccine so we did not get any more. With the exception of my H1N1 shot while i was pregnant which again, i got extremely sick from.
A friend of mine has a child who is not vaccinated, and im pretty sure shes autistic.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/21/2011

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I am FOR vaccinations. Unless there is a real medical reason not to vaccinate (such as allergic reaction) I do not see any need to not. In many circumstances that I have read in COM, I think people choose not to vaccinate for selfish reasons, and rely on people who DO vaccinate to protect their families instead of doing it themselves.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/21/2011

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I am FOR vaccinations. Unless there is a real medical reason not to vaccinate (such as allergic reaction) I do not see any need to not. In many circumstances that I have read in COM, I think people choose not to vaccinate for selfish reasons, and rely on people who DO vaccinate to protect their families instead of doing it themselves.

Allison - posted on 07/21/2011

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Ok here is what i know Autism is there from birth. the benefit of vaccines out weigh the risk when you think just one child whose parent's chose not to vaccinate can kill or seriously diblitate children to young for certain vaccines by infecting them. I don't know if vaccines can make Autism worse or not i haven't seen anything claiming that. But there are situations where unknown alergies interact with vaccines and the child ends up with brain damage or dead or if the child is already ill (with the flu or other childhood stuff that causes fevers) the same thing can happen. its something that needs to be watched by the parents. My dr won't let my kids have shots unless they have a normal temp and appear to be totatlly healthy at the time even then she tells me to watch my kids to make sure they dont get high fevers. They way i see it is i don't have the right to endanger other kids no one does and i firmly believe not vaccinating because some faulty research or partially stated research says its bad in a few is irresponsible. Dr's are not working for the pharmacutical companies they are working to make people healthy.

Gina - posted on 07/21/2011

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Hell yes,I do everything I can to keep my daughter safe and healthy, so she has had them all.

Sal - posted on 07/21/2011

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all vaccinated here too, my son (15) stepped on a nail last week and i took hom for a booster...you know just in case...if anyone belives the autism thing still they are just uneduated and neglectful

Sal - posted on 07/21/2011

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all vaccinated here too, my son (15) stepped on a nail last week and i took hom for a booster...you know just in case...if anyone belives the autism thing still they are just uneduated and neglectful

Laressa - posted on 07/20/2011

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On autism, I asked my daughter's health nurse about it. She cited a study in Russia, I believe, where they dropped the vaccine for a number of years. The autism rates in that country did not change.

Katherine - posted on 07/20/2011

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My kids are up to date too. There is NO evidence that links Autism to vaccines: NONE.

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My 6 year old is current on his shots and for the life of me, I cannot think of a reason valid enough, EXCEPT a compromised immune system, to not vax your child and subject your child to a possible death-sentence, as well as expose others in your community.

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We chose to spread ot the shots because I didn't like the idea of my daughters' little bodies dealing with so much at once. Our ediatrician is actually for the delayed schedule, so their whole scheduling department is all ready to work with me and it's been really great. With our 3 year-old, we didn't know spreading out the schedule was an option, so her first 3 round of vaccinations were "on schedule." Then we sitched docs (we moved) and she told us about how some parents opt to spread it out. We decided to continue our daughter's shots on the spread out shedule and noticed that her side effects were a lot less than before (almost no fever or fussiness). Since it worked so well that time we did the spread out schedule for our youngest as well and we're all very happy :)

Sara - posted on 07/20/2011

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I actually just read this article about vaccinations...give it a read if you have a chance, I liked it.

7 Reasons You Shouldn't Refuse or Delay Vaccines
Posted by Julie Ryan Evans
on July 18, 2011 at 11:12 AM
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When it comes to kids and vaccines, I get nervous. I've written before about how while I want to trust vaccines and do vaccinate my children,each shot strikes fear in my heart. So I'm always searching for more information, hoping to have some of my worries relieved, however slightly, to let me know I'm doing the right thing.

Dr. Jana Shaw, assistant professor of Pediatric Infectious Disease at SUNY Upstate Medical University at Syracuse and member of the New York State Department of Health Immunization Expert Panel, is a mother and physician who believes strongly in the need for parents not only to vaccinate, but to do so on time and not follow adelayed schedule. Here she provides seven reasons parents should vaccinate their children. I'm not sure they will change anyone's mind who is adamantly against vaccines, but for some, like me, who are stuck somewhere in the middle of the debate, they provide some good fodder.

1. You Leave Your Child Vulnerable to Infections When They Need the Most Protection

You wouldn’t risk leaving your baby in a room full of other sick babies, so why would you want to leave him or her vulnerable to serious infections you can prevent?

We know that young children -- infants in particular -- are vulnerable to whooping cough (pertussis),Hemophilus influenzae B (HiB), and pneumococcal infections. It has been proven that adults (especially mothers) are the major source of whooping cough in their children. Also, Hib, pneumococcus, and meningococcus can be carried in the back of your throat without causing any symptoms to you and still result in severe infection, or death, for your baby. Infection of the brain, deafness, developmental delay, swelling of the throat with suffocation, severe pneumonia, internal bleeding, and death are all known and real complications of these infections, even in the era of modern medicine.

Some parents argue that if everybody close to their baby is immunized, then their baby will stay protected. Unfortunately, this is only partially true. As I said above, adults can be carriers of deadly infections without even knowing it. And, although parents and grandparents may be committed to getting vaccinated when their new baby arrives, the rest of the community is not. We also know that even the best intended adults often miss vaccinations. This is particularly true of annual flu vaccinations -- and the flu still claims the lives of young children every year. In addition, the importation of measles from international travelers has resulted in outbreaks of the disease among unvaccinated children in U.S. communities. So, your baby can easily be infected with a vaccine-preventable infection even if you take many precautions but chose not to vaccinate your child.

2. The Risk of Getting a Disease Increases With Rising Rates of Vaccine Refusal

Outbreaks of certain diseases, once thought to be rare, like measles and pertussis (whooping cough), are now re-emerging at an alarming rate. In France, for example, measles have reached epidemic levels and resulted in measles importation to the U.S. This year there have been more outbreaks of measles in U.S. than in decades, and a majority of the hospitalized patients were not vaccinated.

If you don’t vaccinate your child, not only are you putting him or her at risk, but you’re also putting other family members and those who can’t be vaccinated -- due to health reasons or age -- at risk of contracting a disease. In addition, schools will exclude your child if they appear sick from, or are exposed to, one of these vaccine-preventable infections.

3. Vaccinations Are Safe and Undergo Strict Testing

All vaccines approved for babies and children have been well studied and verified safe. Many parents worry about vaccine side effects, and I can tell you that common side effects are mild and include pain and redness at the site of injection or fever. Serious side effects from a vaccine such as an allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) are very rare. It is important to remember that the risk of severe illnesses and complications from vaccine-preventable infection (e.g. measles, whooping cough, polio) is far greater than any risk from the vaccination. A comprehensive list of side effects of each vaccine are available for you on the CDC website.

Moreover, all vaccines undergo an ongoing monitoring process, through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), once they are licensed and used by public. The information from VAERS confirms that vaccines remain among the safest interventions in medicine.

Anything we do in life has a risk. We know that the number one reason why 12- to19-year-old children die is from an unintentional injury. Three quarters of those are car accidents. Yet, we all let our young teens drive or be driven by a teen. For some reason the familiarity makes it appear to be less risky. Yet the opposite is true. Driving in a car is the riskiest activity for a young teen. Serious vaccine side effects, such as allergic reactions, occur far less frequently than deaths due to car accidents, cancer, heart disease, congenital problems, and poisoning. Often the serious reactions due to vaccines are so rare that it is hard to establish whether the reaction was caused by the vaccine. So, it is important to remember that not vaccinating your child is a risky choice that can lead to serious diseases and its consequences, such as death, brain damage, deafness, infertility, congenital birth defects, mental retardation, and blindness to name few.

Immunization is the safe and healthy choice for your child. I have seen children suffer or die from vaccine-preventable illnesses like influenza, measles, pneumococcal and meningococcal infections. As a mother and a pediatrician, it is inconceivable to me how some parents will deny the remarkable benefits of vaccination for their child.

4. Recent Media Concern About Autism Has Been Put to Rest

Earlier this year the media officially dismissed claims made by British physician and researcher, Andrew Wakefield, that the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine was responsible for autism. It was found that Dr. Wakefield’s claims were not only wrong, but they were fraudulent. Dr. Wakefield manipulated his research data, received financial compensation from lawyers seeking settlement from vaccine manufactures, and conducted unethical research on young children to pursue his personal goals.

Unfortunately, due to the massive scare caused by the news coverage of Wakefield’s claims, outbreaks of measles have occurred around the world as a result of parental refusal of the measles vaccine. Dr. Wakefield has since not only lost his credibility, but also his medical license. It’s important that parents put this concern to rest. Time and time again, reliable scientific studies around the world prove that vaccines do not cause autism. The Autism Science Foundation, the most reputed organization involved in Autism research, also supports this conclusion.

5. Your Child Is Ready to Be Immunized

Even a 2-month-old baby is ready to handle vaccinations. Many parents worry that a vaccine won’t work at such a young age, or that a vaccine might overload a baby’s immune system. We know that vaccines work with very young children since we do not see vaccine-preventable infections among young immunized children. In addition, scientists measured immune responses to each vaccine among young children and showed that they had protective levels of antibodies to stop the infecting agent of interest.

Vaccines do not overwhelm the immune system. Every day your child is exposed through skin, breathing, and eating to millions of viruses and bacteria, and his or her body is handling it just fine. When we vaccinate children, we only deliver a small, yet sufficient, amount of molecules that will trigger a child’s immune system to produce protection.

6. Unvaccinated Children Die Every Year From Preventable Illnesses

A number of children die every year, even right here in the United States, because they were not immunized. The flu, Hib and pertussis (whooping cough) are just a few of those killers. California experienced large whooping cough outbreaks from 2009 to 2010. Sadly, some of those infants infected lost their lives. I can’t imagine the excruciating pain a parent must feel knowing their child died from an infection that they could have prevented with a simple vaccination.

7. Dr. Bob’s Alternative Vaccination Schedule Is Not Backed by Scientific Evidence

In 2007, as a response to parents’ concerns that vaccines were not safe, Dr. Robert Sears, also known as Dr. Bob, released a book with an alternative vaccine schedule. The schedule outlined ways a parent could delay, withhold, separate, or space out vaccinations. There is absolutely no scientific evidence, however, that this delayed schedule is safer and more effective for children. Delaying vaccination leaves your child more vulnerable to contracting diseases. I always discourage parents who want to do that. I find it unethical to recommend a vaccination schedule that does not have established safety and efficacy.

The vaccination schedule developed by the ACIP was tested through extensive trials, and because of that, we know that the schedule works. For example, when we immunize a 2-, 4-, 6-, and 15-month-old baby against whooping cough (pertussis), we know that the child has the best chance to be protected when he or she needs it the most. However, if you break the tested schedule, you leave your baby vulnerable.

Our children deserve the best, and the vaccination schedule developed by the ACIP and approved by the Centers for Disease Control is the best one we have.

Joanna - posted on 07/20/2011

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quoting Holly - "We vaccinated all our children. We did spread out the shots (no more than 2 jab per visit) and we opted to do the single shots (as opposed to the ones that have 3 vaccinations in one shot) though. We do NOT do flu shots (any flu shots) and our girls will not be getting Guardisil (is that even considered vaccination? I just mentioned it because Teresa did). We also chose not to do the chicken pox vaccine right now for the same reasons as Johnny.

I think it's incredibly foolish to choose to not vaccinate (of course people who can't medically vaccinate aren't foolish - but the rest of us NEED to be vaccinated to protect those who can't get the vaccinations)."

This is pretty much word for word what I was going to say, and how we vaccinate and plan to vaccinate our kids. Except I got my first daughter vax'd for chicken pox, because honestly being a first time parent, I didn't read up enough and just got all the vaxes needed. I'm more cautious now with my newest, did some research, and am not doing it until she's older if she hasn't had the pox by then.

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Ethan is fully up to date on his vaccines and Poppy is due her first set next week. I feel it is really important to ensure our kids are vaccinated (unless there is a medical reason stopping vaccinations such as an allergy) because the diseases we vaccinate for are potentially deadly at the worst and at the best they are painful, I had mumps because one of my boosters were missed (most of my age group were missed) and it was awful; it is also important because there are people who cannot have vaccinations and they rely on us to be vaccinated.

Ethan has only had the routine vaccinations and unless he needs a none routine one (such as flu) then he will continue to only have the routine vaccinations.

Sherri - posted on 07/20/2011

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Very Interesting Johnny. Yes unless you have a medical reason and it must be stated and documented by your pediatrician or a religious reason again must be documented and notorized by your church.

These are the vaccinations that are required in the state of NH to be able to attend school.
http://www.education.nh.gov/instruction/...

Johnny - posted on 07/20/2011

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No vaccinations are mandatory for school attendance here. However, if your children are not vaccinated, they may be required to stay home in the event of a disease outbreak.

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All my children are and always will have all their vaccines. I don't do strictly by the what is recommended but it's always within a few months. My 12 month old is due for his and i haven't had it done yet because we were going away for his birthday, then they were going to their fathers and this weekend we are going away again for my 3 yr olds birthday and i honestly don't want a cranky baby for these events. It might not affect him in anyway but i'd rather not risk it. He is also teething.

Sherri - posted on 07/20/2011

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Is the Chicken Pox vaccine not mandatory for your children to attend school?? Here your child has to have it by 5th or 6th grade can't remember which, or they can't attend school.

Deidre - posted on 07/20/2011

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Thank you to everyone for your time to post your reasons for vaccinating. I feel that because we know it's the right thing to do, we don't get so actively verbal about it. But I find the anti vaccinating group seem to need their voices heard and prove a point. I am not putting down their choice as a Mother but I really don't think they are seeing the whole picture. Everyone agrees that it's not just about your child, it's about protecting communities. Which are a combination of everyone's children, friends and family.

Laressa - posted on 07/20/2011

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I vaccinate my children. Altho I did refuse the chicken pox one. My children both got chicken pox in the last 2 weeks. they are almost 2 and 5 mo. I'm not particularly sorry I refused it. My son had a couple that looked a little infected plus he had ear infecton so he is on antibiotics. The on call doctor who I took him to said she had not seen them around for about 4 years. Now they are going around again. So if chicken pox comes around every so often what about measles, or whooping cough or mumps? I think I'll just continue to vaccinate. thank you very much. It's ok, MIL can call me a child abuser for vaccinating. A few of my friends can think I'm a worry wart. I'll just keep on as I have and try to avoid the subject with any of them. Like all other aspects of parenting we don't all see eye to eye.

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Uhhgg....I so wish that my girls had been vaccinated for rotovirus (I didn't know that it was offered - and I didn't ask because my twin girls are home with me not in daycare). One of them was in the hospital this weekend because of rotovirus, and the other is halfway thru the virus today.....NOT FUN! Needless to say, my house is totally disinfected!

Johnny - posted on 07/20/2011

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I haven't made a decision about the gardasil yet. I have a good number of years til that happens, so I can watch what goes on in the mean time to decide later. The rotavirus vaccine is not routinely offered in my jurisdiction. I asked my doctor about it and he said that we should only bother if we travel. My aunt (who is a Disease Control nurse) concurred.

September - posted on 07/20/2011

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Nope, you're not alone. I think it's a good thing too. Our son is up to date on his vaccinations as well and will continue to be so.

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We vaccinated all our children. We did spread out the shots (no more than 2 jab per visit) and we opted to do the single shots (as opposed to the ones that have 3 vaccinations in one shot) though. We do NOT do flu shots (any flu shots) and our girls will not be getting Guardisil (is that even considered vaccination? I just mentioned it because Teresa did). We also chose not to do the chicken pox vaccine right now for the same reasons as Johnny.



I think it's incredibly foolish to choose to not vaccinate (of course people who can't medically vaccinate aren't foolish - but the rest of us NEED to be vaccinated to protect those who can't get the vaccinations).

Jenn - posted on 07/20/2011

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Unfortunately, many don't know WHAT to believe when it comes to our government, pharmaceutical companies and doctors. Therefore, they reach their own conclusions or that of other parents which sadly leads to an increasing number of unvaccinated, unprotected children. It is very frustrating trying to have this conversation with those who do not vaccinate!

Rosie - posted on 07/20/2011

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i cannot believe that anybody thinks rationally and doesn't vaccinate their kid. they ignore science, and can't use simple reasoning skills.
every bit of science out there says vaccinations save lives, the slight risk involved is nothing compared to what could happen if you don't vaccinate. i am simply astounded every time i see someone doesn't vaccinate.

Jenn - posted on 07/20/2011

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Yeh....spread out and not by the schedule set by the US CDC. I do not get my children vaccinated if they've run a fever in the last 48 hours or if they show any signs of being ill. I'd much rather take them in the next week or when they are back to 100% healthy. The nurses give the shots anyway so coming back isn't an issue. I do think parents need to be aware of what their child is being vaccinated for. Common sense would say that but unfortunately some just do as they are told when it comes to doctors.

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There are a lot of women here that are pro-vaccine. I do not do flu shots and won't do Gardasil (sp?) for my kids, but all the rest.... yep.

My girls (9.5) were vaccinated all on time.... except their 12 month shots were at 13 months cuz we were on vacation.

My son was done on time up through 6 months. Then I spaced them out a bit, but by his 3 year check up.... he was all caught up.

Becky - posted on 07/20/2011

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Pro-vax here! We don't do the flu vax, but otherwise, my kids have had all of theirs. My youngest sister believes that Dr. Mercola quack and so doesn't vaccinate, and it's causing some problems between her and my husband now that we're expecting another baby.
I grew up in a third world country where vaccines were not readily available. I have seen the devastation these diseases can cause. Not vaccinating is not an option for us.

Amber - posted on 07/20/2011

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I'm definitely a pro vax mom. I've been in many heated debates and posted statistic after statistic...some people just don't listen to reason.

Teresa - posted on 07/20/2011

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I think it is a good thing as well but I have delayed many vaccinations to give my child's body a chance to recover from them.

Sherri - posted on 07/20/2011

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No you are not the only mom. All my children have been and will continue to be vaccinated. I will not risk my children or any other childs life by not doing something that is simple and really the only logical thing to do (only time I condone not vaccinating is if it will risk their life to have the vaccinations due to allergies etc.)

The only vaccine I refused was the guardasil vaccination for my 14yr old son.

Krista - posted on 07/20/2011

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My daughter is booked for her 4 month shots next week! I always dread those days, but obviously it's the right (and smart!) thing to do!

Sara - posted on 07/20/2011

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I'm in the "yeh" category as well. To be perfectly and completely honest, unless there is a medical reason not to vaccinate, I think the idea of not vaccinating your child is a ridiculous one based on a bunch of fear-mongering and lies. Personally, I think it's your duty as part of a community to make it safe for everyone, and how you do that is to vaccinate yourself and your children. I find it really scary that most people don't feel it's important to vaccinate, and aren't frightened by the re-emergence of some diseases in communities because of it. It's not hard science to understand, and I have been taken aback by how many otherwise intelligent and thoughtful parents opt out of vaccinations...

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The only vaccination I didn't get my son was the (new-ish) one for rotovirus. There had been some problems with it.



I would have gotten it anyway, if he had been in a daycare setting. But since he stayed at home with me, I didn't.



(Oh, and I wasn't offered the chicken pox vaccine here in Europe.)

Deidre - posted on 07/19/2011

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It's under Questions and Answers. Not any sort of community. The Question is "Are Vaccinations Safe For My Child?"

Deidre - posted on 07/19/2011

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LOL! I was called ignorant and my Doctor and midwives of 30 years were not credible with the information I have been given.

Johnny - posted on 07/19/2011

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Also vaccinators here. My daughter is fully up to date, the only one we have not done yet is chicken pox but will do if she does not get them by the time she is in grade six. The only reason for that is recent research suggesting higher rates of shingles in young adult who had the vaccine as babies as opposed to those that had chicken pox or were vaccinated when a bit older. Since shingles can have far worse problems than chicken pox, we have chosen to hold off for now. Also many other western nations (Europe and Britain) do not vax for it and I am not entirely convinced that it is not better to wait and just get the shingles vax.

Anyway, I do not understand why people do not vax at all either. Particularly for the really severe, life threatening communicable diseases like pertussis.

Deidre - posted on 07/19/2011

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And it's great to know I am making the right decisions based on factual information.

Jodi - posted on 07/19/2011

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There are so many ignorant arguments against vaccinating. While I can actually totally agree with those who don't vaccinate due to medical reasons (and there are those who can't vaccinate), I simply abhor the arguments so many put forward. Many of the anti vaccine arguments are backed by flawed studies, or none at all. And then there is the argument "well, its just not a common disease anymore, so I don't need to vaccinate my children, the risk just isn't there". ***Head -----> desk****



Quite honestly, after 2 1/2 years on this site, I have seen all those arguments......and worse.

Deidre - posted on 07/19/2011

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It's the thread " Are vaccinations safe for my child?" Most of the posts are from Mother who are definitely neh or on the fence. I think some pro vaccine Mothers should check it out.

Deidre - posted on 07/19/2011

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Thank you thank you thank you! I am in the middle of a debate with a few Mom's on another post and they are definitely pro non vaccinate. And aggro about it. I agree with you TOTALLY about what you are saying. The information provided is indeed invaluable for Mom's who are in doubt. And my point exactly about Mother's who do not vaccinate. They are counting on the fact these viruses stay dormant and that other children stay healthy so "their" children do not contract any of these diseases/viruses. Much appreciated!

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