Video of Judge William Adams beating daughter. Discipline or abuse?

Cat - posted on 11/04/2011 ( 45 moms have responded )

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I saw this and it made me sick to my stomach. The sicker thing is that there are parents out there that would support this. I hugged my kids after seeing this. This man should go to prison but unfortunately he won't because the statute of limitations has run out. In any case he should be disbarred from judging anymore child abuse cases.

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JuLeah - posted on 11/06/2011

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Jeannette, I didn't mean to imply you felt she deserved it or that you would have done the same. I was attempting to make the point that there was no reason.



His father beat him, or his shoes were too tight that day, or his favorite game show was taken off the air, or they were out of ice .... any or all of these might have been the reason .... but really, there was no reason save he wanted to, he enjoyed it, he choose to



He made up a reason after the fact, or while he was beating her to justify himself, but there was no reason .... like my father going off on me.



It was not about the Little House TV show I was watching - had nothing to do with me - on any level



This is important because the blame for abuse often falls to the victim ... the abuser blames the victim and the general public will ask first, "Well, what did you do to deserve that?"



The thing that is just critical for people to get is this:



Abuse is a choice



Domestic violence is a choice



It was not because he was drinking, or lost his job, or his car wouldn’t start .... those are all justifications he will come up with after the fact, but they are not the reason



The reason, the only reason this beating happened was because this man choose to do it



He is going to tell some big sob story about why and hope you believe his justifications ... it is important that he not even be allowed to tell his story - his story, and it doesn't matter how sob it is, will be a lie. He doesn't get to minimize, or shift the focus, or shift the blame, or deny his role ....



It was simply his choice

JuLeah - posted on 11/05/2011

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I just watched the second video. This man is very very typical. Abusers justify. They do everything they can to make it not their fault, and to shift the focus from him.

I get why she posted this. She wanted to be seen. She wanted validation.

I am excited about this. When I was a kid I dreamed of being able to record my father so people might believe me.

He had a way of smooth talking and explaining things so we always looked like the ones at fault - all abusers do

Maybe other kids will see this and put a recorder in their room, catch the abuser in the act - post it the next morning .... I hope other kids use this tool to protect themselves

JuLeah - posted on 11/05/2011

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@ Jennette - the girl didn't do anything to justify the fathers actions. She didn't do anything to deserve that. This beating had nothing to do with the girl at all, it was all about him and his rage.

My father would go off like this because he was slowed by a red light, later take it out on us and come up with some reason we deserved it

Once he came in the door and started in on me because I was watching Little House on the Prairie.

He was screaming at the top of his voice, "How many times have I told you I don't like that show. I don't want you watching it ......"

Now, the reality is, he had never asked me/told me not to watch that show. I watched it every week, and even after that fit, continued to watch it every week. That was just the excuse he used that time to justify his actions.

His rage had nothing to do with me. My sister and I were simply the punching bags he used

PD - posted on 11/07/2011

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In 31 nations, child corporal punishment is prohibited by law (with more in process). In fact, the US was the only UN member that did not ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The US also has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

The US states with the highest crime rates, poorest academic performance, highest obesity rates and health problems, and largest public welfare burdens are also the ones with the highest rates of child corporal punishment.

Of all the things prison inmates lacked in their upbringing, "spanking" certainly wasn't one of them.

There is simply no evidence to suggest that child/adolescent/teenage-only "spanking" instills virtue.

JuLeah - posted on 11/04/2011

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It does matter what the kid did. No one deserves to be hit like that.

Dad was having fun. I know that energy. My father was the same way.

Of course she is messed up. This is just the 7 minutes we saw of her life.

Doesn't matter why she posted it ... I'd guess for revenge and I get that

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Angela - posted on 11/09/2011

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When I first heard about this....I thought I would give him the benefit of the doubt, you know as a parent disciplining a child. What I just saw was child abuse. It was sick. This man should be whipped with a belt across his legs and the mother is just as bad. There is NO excuse or reason he could give. NONE!

Sylvia - posted on 11/09/2011

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Abuse. Absolutely. It doesn't matter what the daughter did or didn't do -- you DO NOT treat another human being like that. Not a prisoner, not a servant, not an employee, not a friend, not a spouse, not a co-worker, not a parent, and CERTAINLY not a child.

I wasn't able to watch the whole video. It's like 7 minutes long, and I had to turn it off about 1 minute in -- I literally (and I hardly ever use that word, only when it's accurate) almost vomited. I don't know why this guy hasn't been arrested. (If he has been arrested by now, GOOD!)

Kyleigh - posted on 11/09/2011

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This skidaddled PAST abuse! There is no excuse for this at all! And to think all his "daughter" wanted was an apology, I can tell you she probably isn't going to get it :( he's no MAN no FATHER in my book! Defintly agree with Cat!

JuLeah - posted on 11/08/2011

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This topic - whippings - was mentioned on Oprah last night. She said that people do practice this don't see, don't want to see how very damaging this is emotionally - impacts your self worth - lessens your self worth

Sends the message that you are without value

PD - posted on 11/07/2011

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We often hear from those who fight to uphold this practice for those under the age of 18 (even to the blaming of the social maladies of the day on a supposed "lack" of it), but we rarely, if ever, find advocates for the return of corporal punishment to the general adult community, college campuses, inmate population, or military. Why is that?

Ask ten unyielding proponents of child/adolescent/teenage-only "spanking" about the "right" way to do it, and what would be abusive, indecent, or obscene, and you will get ten different answers.

These proponents should consider making their own video-recording of the "right way" to do it.

Visit Unlimited Justice or Parents and Teachers Against Violence in Education to learn more and add your voice.

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With respect to the mom, having worked with domestic violence cases in the past, I would say the mom is pandering. She's saying what she's saying to the husband to avoid him hitting her. She's going along to avoid being beaten herself. It's still cowardly, IMHO, but it's common. As others mentioned, abusers justify. It's not there fault, it's their victims fault. If she didn't do ______, he wouldn't have to beat her.

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Excuse me, Jane -- but his daughter didn't cost this judge his job. HE COST himself the job by his own conduct. Talk about blaming the victim. Unquestionable, his daughter violated the "rules" of the household, but that doesn't justify his behavior.

Gina - posted on 11/07/2011

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JuLeah,I'm sorry that you went through that, it's really heartbreaking.



Punishment should not be getting bashed,if that's your ideal(general you) you have no right to be a parent.IMO.

Gina - posted on 11/07/2011

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No matter what he's reasons were,the fact is he bashed his daughter.It doesn't matter what she did,she did not deserve that.
No one deserves to get bashed like that.
No excuses,no causes.

I think he should be held accountable for what he did,and so should the mother, she was just as bad.

Cat - posted on 11/06/2011

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JuLeah nicely said! You're absolutely right. His choice was to come back in the room and whip her further, saying he didn't get a good enough lick in. He wanted to take his anger out on her. I saw a video of a reporter trying to get a statement from him (I think the vid has since been removed from the Internet)



But he said these words in his defense- "it was a long time ago, it looked worse than it was, she wasnt hurt, I was disciplining her for stealing, I have apologized. And when asked if he was excessive he said, I'm not going to comment on that.". A couple of things about that.



#1. How does a brutal whipping teach a child not to steal? It doesnt. It will teach her to lie and hide better 'next time.'. If he wanted to punish her for downloading illegal games then take the computer away, and talk to her about how her actions affected others and why it was wrong. To me his level of anger was not because of her stealing but more personal. Perhaps her stealing might hurt his rep as a judge and embarrass him. That beating was very personal in nature.



#2. He tried to minimimalize it by saying it wasn't as bad as it looked and it was a long time ago. Uh... Yes it was as bad as it looked, and it doesn't matter how long ago it was, wrong is wrong. You don't forgive a rape or murder just because it happened 10 years ago! Wrong is wrong.



#3 he said she wasn't hurt. Maybe not physically but I'm sure she's mentally scarred for life.



#4 he said he has since apologized... Now consider this. He justified himself by saying he was disciplining her for stealing. So if he was right in doing that, then why apologize? If he has "apologized" (which I doubt) then he must have felt his actions were wrong. Quite a contradiction isn't it?



#5 and then lastly, flat out denial, by not commenting on his excessiveness.



His statements speak volumes about himself. He doesn't care about his daughter, and he's not one bit sorry for what he did.

Kate CP - posted on 11/06/2011

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"I never said that she deserved the beating, nor did I think his reason would justify it. However, I was curious what would make him go off LIKE THAT on his kid."

Jeannette, we were speaking of Jane Seno, not you.

Stifler's - posted on 11/06/2011

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What's the deal with the mum and how long this video goes for? This is abuse.

Cat - posted on 11/06/2011

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Right on Ashley=)! It's great to hear that you and your husband are raising your children with love! For those of you who went through this kind of abuse, I'm so sorry. If anything good can come out of this video being released, I hope it's that it raises awareness and changes the minds of those parents who do this or similar kinds of things to their children, and also encourage children of abusers to speak out and tell someone so that they can get help and not suffer in silence.

Jeannette - posted on 11/05/2011

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I never said that she deserved the beating, nor did I think his reason would justify it. However, I was curious what would make him go off LIKE THAT on his kid.

Jenn - posted on 11/05/2011

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I agree that Jane sounds as if the girl deserved such a beating. It wasn't a spanking to discipline, it was uncontrolled fury unleashed by a man twice as big as the child. Yes, she most certainly deserved punishment but NO ONE deserves what that child endured. Perhaps one has to have been hit and treated in such a way to truly understand how wrong and unjustified it was?? Sad, if that is so.

Cat - posted on 11/05/2011

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I didnt like the mom just as much because she took part in it and watched it happen. How could a mother do that? If I was her I'd be standing right in between my daughter and the abuser ready to fight! By the way, the statement that the daughter released the video because the dad was taking away her Mercedes was a statement released by the dad through his lawyer. I'm sure it was done in an effort to smear her a bit. I read somewhere that the father is trying to get custody of his 10 year old younger daughter (seen as a toddler at the very beginning of the video). I wonder if the mom coerced the daughter to release it so she'll win custody? Who would grant him custody after seeing this video? In any case whatever the reason, I'm glad she released it so people know who this man really is.

Gina - posted on 11/05/2011

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I couldn't watch it all. That monster is not spanking, which is bad enough. That's abuse,I don't know what to say really, maybe WTF?.

Jeannette - posted on 11/05/2011

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I am kind of bothered by the fact that everyone is attacking the dad, but are not tearing into mom - the star witness and participant.

TealRose - posted on 11/05/2011

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When will humans get it ? Hitting aka spanking ANYONE of ANY age is wrong. Period. And hitting a child like this judge has - is abuse and visibly so. He is angry, he is violent, his language alone is abysmal. And to think he is allowed to be a court judge... and worse ..... Texas thinks that 5 years is enough time to report abuse of this kind. THAT is even worse ! Texas and anywhere else that has a statute of limitations like this ... and for any sex crimes ... should think again. There shouldn't BE a statue of limitations on such crimes !

Jeannette - posted on 11/04/2011

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Here is my problem with mom: she divorced him 4 years ago, not 20. She is clearly agitated by how he treats her since the divorce. She has known about this video since April. I don't feel anything for the mother...not pity, not belief, nothing. I believe she is sorry as Hell that we all know she was a part of a horrible act.

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Ok, thanks to Lacye's video, I have a little bit more of an understanding of the mother. I'm still a little gray on how I feel about her though. Maybe she truly is sorry for allowing such a horrible thing to happen to her child(ren) for so long. But I still feel like the dad is scum and deserves whatever losses he incurs from the release of the video.

Lacye - posted on 11/04/2011

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I just found this video online. The judge is not sitting on the bench as of right now. As a matter of fact, he's not even in that particular town. When he does return, he will no longer be allowed to sit on the bench when it involves abuse cases is what I think they said. Here you go:



ETA: The mother is in this video and talks about it.

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There is NOTHING ANY child (and yes, 16 is still a child) could do that would warrant such a beating. I don't care why she released the video. I don't care if she held onto it all these years just waiting for him to give her a reason to do it. I don't care if she released it because he threatened to take away her Mercedes or if she released it to get him to get help. In fact, if he could afford to buy her a Mercedes then that's the LEAST he could do. We only saw that one beating. I'd bet my bank account that there had been many more previous to that one. He shouldn't be in a position of power over ANYone, since he obviously doesn't know how to control himself. I think he deserves whatever he gets, whether it be financial loss or the loss of friends or social status. Good. That was not discipline. That was flat out abuse. And the mother? It's possible she was also abused but still, I've got absolutely no sympathy for her either. To stand back and watch that happen to her CHILD, to join in even. Either she's brain washed or just as sick as he is. Either way, someone needs to do an evaluation on that home and possibly seek to remove the younger girl from it. That whole video made me sick when I watched it. I had to watch the whole thing because I seriously couldn't believe I was truly seeing what was before my eyes. That man (and woman) hurt that girl in just about every way a human being can be hurt....and then they blamed her for it. Good on her for releasing the video, I say.

Kate CP - posted on 11/04/2011

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Jane, between this thread and the other one it almost sounds like you think this girl deserved the beating she got.

Lacye - posted on 11/04/2011

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That video almost made me throw up. I had heard about it on the radio earlier and I had meant to look it up but now I wish I hadn't seen it.

I don't care what the reason for why he and the mother did it, no child deserves to be treated that way. I do agree with spanking but let me be clear, that was NOT spanking. That was abuse. Mild compared to what some people go through but abuse all the same. It makes me sick that a person would willfully do something like this to their child. I would never raise my hand to my daughter like that in any way. I hope this man gets what he deserves and then some.

Jeannette - posted on 11/04/2011

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@JuLeah, I was not trying to justify the father's actions. I was trying to figure out what his kid could do that would get him that angry and react like that. It was extreme, especially the bit when the parents were practically tag-teaming.
I am pro spanking, but not like this. I am also aware that we do not live in the homes of everyone else, and though I still cannot justify this father's reaction to what his daughter did, I do not know what kind of person his daughter is.
Sometimes parents are trying really hard to keep their kids on track or out of trouble and kids can cost/cause their parents serious damage. With that said, the mother stated in the beginning she already spanked the girl (in my personal opinion 16 is too old to spank) so I know that the dad was just letting off steam not trying to discipline his kid.

Sherri - posted on 11/04/2011

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I just watched it, it made me cringe for sure. This is wrong on so many levels and I am pro spanking. This wasn't a spanking it was plain abuse.

Jane - posted on 11/04/2011

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@Jeannette - She downloaded file sharing software on the Judge's computer during the time period when companies were suing people over that, and when public employees were losing their jobs over having it on their computers. In other words, she did something that could have cost the judge his job and or big bucks. She has now succeeded in doing both as this video will keep him from being re-elected or going into private practice where he lives now.

Jeannette - posted on 11/04/2011

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These people just kept adding and adding to the punishment...what did the kid do?!? I need to know!!

Jeannette - posted on 11/04/2011

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Okay, in the very beginning, the mother stated she already spanked this girl. The dad clearly got way the Hell out of hand and was beating her to release anger rather than discipline her bad behavior.
Mom is pretty chicken shit at the end. I would have beat the living Hell out of my husband with that belt.
I seriously hope he doesn't hit her again..it's at 4:45, and he's threatening to. What happened with the computer that he is this pissed?!?
Seriously, what did this girl do???

Jane - posted on 11/04/2011

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Yes, this was a beating and abusive, and the parents were out of control. Grownups are supposed to be able to control their tempers and find non-abusive means to counter bad behavior.

Because his is an elected post in a small town and a thinly populated county I suspect his career as a judge is over. I also suspect he won't be able to go into private practice there either.

And the daughter claims she did it so he would get help, but in actuality she did it because he threatened to remove financial support (specifically to take back the Mercedes he gave her) if she didn't finish college and get a real job.

And she wasn't just "downloading stuff" on her computer, she was downloading illegal file sharing software on his computer during a period in time when recording companies were suing people over it, and when public employees in Texas were losing their jobs over having such software on personal computers.

I live in this area and from what I can tell the entire family (with the possible exception of the younger daughter) have big problems. I suspect that the release of the video will only make things worse. If the younger girl hasn't had problems before, she probably will now.

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Please Raise your children without raising a hand..maybe one day the world might be like this.I really wish.
I believe its abuse.This is abuse.
So sad..the video makes me so sad.:-(

JuLeah - posted on 11/04/2011

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Mom and Dad ought to both be in jail .... Dad was having waaayyyy too much fun with this.

Mom siding with Dad in a way that makes me question if Mom gets hit too.

Dad was not having enough fun just hitting her, he had to emotionally abuse her too. He choose to abuse her, then blamed her for it.

I hope this video ends life as he knows it .... funny, it is a computer, odds are the one he hates so much, that will bring him down.

Jenn - posted on 11/04/2011

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The video made me cry. In part because it was so brutal and also because I was "spanked" like that. By an out of control parent with anger issues. That judge is never going to be elected again. The statute of limitations is only five years but the daughter just wanted to be sure he doesn't get reelected. The father has no remorse. He abused the wife (ex wife now) but I find it horrendous that she allowed him to abuse their daughter and she helped him!!!! Sick. Absolutely sick bastards.

Cat - posted on 11/04/2011

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Apparently the girl in the video was 16 at the time. I don't believe in spanking at all, but even if you do, isn't 16 too old for spanking? And he's not spanking her, he's WHIPPING her! Apparently the girl is now 23 and says she posted the video so her dad will get help. Her mother since has divorced the man and blames his abuse on addiction. She claims that she was brainwashed and that's why she took part in it. The judge was interviewed and he stood by his actions saying it "looked worse than it was." (i wish someone would whip him like that and see if he still says the same) Police are investigating the judge and said that if the statute of limitations hadn't run out they would have arrested him, because it was clearly abuse. I just hope they at least take him off the bench because a man like this shouldn't be judging child abuse cases of all things! He's disgusting.

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Apparently this *man* (I use the term loosely) is from Texas, where the judges are voted in. He won't be voted back.
It is sickening. I had to watch the whole video. The fact that AFTER smacking her multiple times, her mother comes in and demands that she takes one solid whack across her butt, the parents both leave and then the dad COMES BACK INTO THE ROOM and says that he didn't get a smack that he thought was good enough and hits her some more. . . .it baffles me. All because she downloaded some stuff onto her computer that her parents told her not to.
For those who care, her father hits her 14 times, then her mother hits her once, then her father comes BACK into the room and hits her another 3 times.
He tells her that he should BEAT her into submission. He tells her that she doesn't deserve to be in their household. And right around the 4:30-5 minute mark, it appears that he grabs her around the head/neck area and makes movements like he's going to punch her.

This man needs to removed from ALL children. Permanently. Can you imagine what that little child is going through NOW (would be hitting the teen years by the look of it)

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