What do you all think about this video??

Nikkole - posted on 01/14/2011 ( 106 moms have responded )

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What do you all think about this boys uncle spanking him? he made his nephew post it on his Facebook wall for all his friends to see! If you dont know the story it was because on Facebook the game called farmville they are making gangs and being stupid and his nephew was a part of a gang and his uncle found out and was saying that they ARE NOT a part of any gang and how dare him for doing it!

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Charlie - posted on 01/17/2011

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Disgusting , I wouldn't treat my dog like that .

"Ever heard the term "i brought you into this world and i can take you out"?

Yeah it's a fucking disgusting quote said by true assholes who shouldn't have kids .

"If my son did something fucked up and uncalled for you better belive my husbands kicking his little bitch ass, weather i believed in spanking when he was a child or not. "

Holy shit , that is your child you are talking about , the one you called " bitch ass " I think I just puked a little .

Charlie - posted on 01/17/2011

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Funny not one person has questioned the root of the problem , WHY is this teen acting out and how can we solve the root issue instead of being lazy and belting him which solves sweet fuck all .

Do you know what the main reason is for people joining gangs , shitty parenting in the first place , poor to none positive male role models that is a fact .

So I wonder where is this kids father ? is his uncle his "role model " if so then no wonder the kid is into gangs I mean what kind of animal treats a kid like that .

I say before he takes it out on th kid have a good hard look at WHY the kid feels he needs some kind of belonging or a sense of family with a gang , most likely it's because of the parents .

Here are some interesting statistics just for fun and by father most studies prove any positive male role model will make an impact on a child for a good life .
Facts regarding the phenomenon of Fatherlessness compiled by the National Fatherhood Initiative

Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school then their classmates who live with two parents

Seventy-two percent of all teenage murderers grew up without fathers

Fatherless children are eleven times more likely then are children from intact families to exhibit violent behavior.

Eighty percent of adolescents in psychiatric hospitals come from fatherless homes.

Seventy percent of the kids now incarcerated in juvenile corrections facilities grew up in a single-parent environment

Three out of four teen suicides occur in single-parent families

Compared to girls raised in homes where both parents are present, the daughters of single parents are 164-percent more likely to become pregnant before marriage compared to girls raised in homes where both parents are present,

53 percent are more likely to marry as teenagers

Compared to girls raised in homes where both parents are present, 92 percent more likely to dissolve their own marriages

The absence of a biological father increases by 900 percent a daughter's vulnerability to rape and sexual abuse (often these assaults are committed by stepfathers or the boyfriends of custodial mothers).

Children whose fathers are absent consistently score lower than the norm in reading and math tests.

Children who live apart from their fathers experience more accidents and a higher rate of chronic asthma, headaches, and speech defects.




Facts compiled by the Department of Justice

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes
90% of all homeless and runaway youths are from fatherless homes.
85% of children who exhibit behavioral disorders are from fatherless homes.
71% of high school dropouts are from fatherless homes.
70% of youths in State institutions are from fatherless homes.
75% of adolescent patients in substance abuse centers are from fatherless homes.
85% of rapists motivated by displaced anger are from fatherless homes.

Rosie - posted on 01/17/2011

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i think the "whoopin" she is giving her kids IS exactly the reason why they are the way they are. study after study proves it, along with the example you just gave.

Amie - posted on 01/16/2011

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Race aside, I'm still as wigged out as some of the others are that anyone thinks this is ok. There are more than a few comments saying something along the lines of 'good for the uncle'. /:)

Kati posted that black children are 30% more likely to suffer from physical abuse. Which, hitting with a belt, IS. Any object you use to hit your child with, is abuse.

Yes, black comedians talk about being whooped. That's also the generation they grew up in. My parents got whooped too. They talk about whooping their own kids, my parents did that too. I could continue the cycle by whooping my own kids but I chose other ways to parent without laying my hands (or an object) to my kids.

Cassie - posted on 01/15/2011

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I'm failing to understand how the uncle and boy's race fall into the conversation. I've seen several posters bring up the fact that they are black.. I fail to see why it makes any difference whether the abuse comes from a black, white, or green uncle...





*edited to add a word to make the first sentence make sense. :)

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Nikkole - posted on 01/17/2011

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Yea i understand it is hard to break any cycle but all we can do is try and show others the outcome if you do break any cycle :)

Sarah - posted on 01/17/2011

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I think it certainly helps if you start well from the word go, but as you say with the spanking thing, you changed your ways and broke the cycle. (I was the same as you actually, I used to smack (spank), but then I changed my mind about it completely)

It's things like that, making those little changes that can make such a big difference, wish is kind of my whole point! :)

Charlie - posted on 01/17/2011

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Half of these people do not even realize the reasons for their actions though , a lot grow up and continue poor parenting because they won't for the life of them recognize the ill effects it had on them .



You are able to change that Nikkole because you know it was " unfair for our fathers to be deadbeats" and since you know you have the opportunity for improvement with your own which is fantastic .



It is hard for anyone to recognize a bad pattern and break the cycle , it isn't so much these individuals blaming their parents it's those who have a clearer perspective on the effects of having a father or positive male role model who recognize the distinct pattern between behavior and family support , it affects so many areas of development as a child like cognitive development, sex-role development, and psychosocial development .



Fathers and positive male role models , in effect, give children practice in regulating their emotions and recognizing others' emotional cues. Teaching adolescents to develop personal and social skills through cognitive-behavior has proven to be effective when facilitated by teacher, counselors and mentors. And we now know that a loving father or a male role model who remains actively involved has a positive effect on his child's social, cognitive and intellectual development and self-esteem.



As you will notice not one of these statistics below claim 100 % are in danger of anything but the numbers are high between 70 % and 90 % of course there are those like yourselves who are in the small percentage that pull through .....you are the lucky ones .

Nikkole - posted on 01/17/2011

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:) my mom spanked all of us kids and i used tp spank my son until i joined com and learned different ways breaking the cycle again :P i think him spanking with the belt was too much i agree i would have thought of something more cleaver but thats just me like i said before i hope i raise my kids smarter than wanting to join a gang

Nikkole - posted on 01/17/2011

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I understand the set backs of not having both parents but i feel as if a lot of people blame not having a father or mother around for the bad things they have done or the reason they haven't done well in life,now im not saying every person is like this me and my husband grew up without a father and we are doing well and we feel as if it was unfair for our fathers to be deadbeats but we will just make it right with our children :)

Shauna - posted on 01/17/2011

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I agree, being fatherless does have a big impact on a childs life. My husband is a felon and fits in this category. his mom worked 3 jobs to put food on the table, and simply was never around, since the age of 5 him and his 3 siblings had no supervision.

Sherri - posted on 01/17/2011

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I agree Loureen although it is meant is a family joke in our family, that doesn't mean that it is not meant in anger and truth in another.

Charlie - posted on 01/17/2011

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Sherri unfortunately some people use it in an aggressive manner while you joke about it someone else has their hand raised in anger while saying those words .

Sarah - posted on 01/17/2011

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I just wanted to add too that applauding that type of behaviour is never going to help it's eradication either.

I'd also echo what Jenn said, we may not see change in our lifetime, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it so future generations can benefit.
As I said with the examples I gave above, I mean if the suffragettes hadn't fought for what they believed in, none of us would be able to vote! They did for ALL generations, not just their own.

Sherri - posted on 01/17/2011

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Loureen I had to chuckle at your post we use that phrase we brought you into this world we can take you out sucker. All the time throughout our family. My mom still says it to all us kids and we are all in our 30's and almost 40's, when we annoy her. It is only meant in a jokingly manner. We all just laugh and whoever is saying it.

Jenn - posted on 01/17/2011

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Sure, so let's just add to the problem, instead of being part of the solution. Even if it doesn't happen in your lifetime, wouldn't you want it to happen for the next generation? Or the generation after that?

How do we know that this kid put his family at real risk? Does it say that he lives in an area with a gang problem and that they caught wind of his Farmville page where he was talkin' all gansta' and shit? Either way, this won't ever be a problem in my family as we don't have gangs around here, so being in a fake gang on some computer game isn't going to get me and my family shot.

Sarah - posted on 01/17/2011

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I guess I just see it differently, I see that ONE person changing CAN make a difference, even it only means a difference for them and their families. (which actually, would be kind of a big thing for them!!)

Things CAN change, I mean we no longer have slavery and whites and blacks segregated, women have the vote, kids are no longer forced to work up chimneys! Did it happen over night? No. Did many people think "they'll never change anything" Yes. But it happened in the end, over time, with more and more people joining in.........but it all started with ONE person deciding, "I'm not doing this any more!!"

Maybe if we (as society) had more courage to stand up for what's wrong (without belts in our hands!!) and if we could encourage people to better the way things are, then we might get somewhere. It only takes one match to burn a thousand trees after all :)

Shauna - posted on 01/17/2011

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It would take an entire community comming together and deciding to change. And that is going on already where i live, and its not helping. There are groups meeting up at churchs posting flyers in yards the group is called "Enough is enough" and its trying to break the gang activity and violence.
But this goes back generations of familes being raised this way, The guns need to be taken out of everyones hands, and so many other things need to happen for you to see any effectivness.
Once a month my community has a "no questions asked" drop your weapons off stations.. you think any one shows up? naw just a couple old farmers with some shot guns .. not the gang bangers. I dont know what it will take to end this. I really dont. We were discussing this in school, and there are proposed bills, to give minoritys more funding to the schools. Thinking that maybe it starts in the school and the better education the better adults they will be. I dont know if that will do it, i think the parents need to be better educated first.

Amie - posted on 01/17/2011

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OH no, hell no. The day I let what my friends dictate how I raise my kids, where I send them to school, how I do my hair so I can have a proper job, where I live just so I "fit in"... wtf is that?!

That's a weak person. Weak people continue the cycle, strong people do not. Jesus... what a cop out.

I gotta admit too, just because there are some of us who are outraged at this, does not mean we know nothing about 'gang life'. Pfftt.... /:) As Sarah has already pointed out.... it's just continuing the cycle of violence if want to BEAT your child. This (video) is not a spanking, this is a beating.

Rosie - posted on 01/17/2011

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i can agree with some of that shauna. i don't think it's just the "whoopins" alone. there are a huge amount of obstacles that a lot of black people face in this country, alot of which you listed.
but seriously, it doesn't matter what race you are, you get beat with a belt, most of the time you're gonna be violent.

Sarah - posted on 01/17/2011

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You can break the cycle for YOURSELF, and the more that do that, the less "ok" this gang mentality etc will become.



If your friend is keeping herself down just to fit in with her friends.......then they're not really her friends are they!



You're right, you can't easily break the cycle of anything......but jeez, I'd rather try than sit back and think "Fuck it, I'll just go along with it, even though I know it's wrong"



It's never going to go away completely, but you the more people who take a stand against beating people with belts and gangs, and all that stuff......the more likely it is to lessen.

Shauna - posted on 01/17/2011

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Its nice to think that one can easily change the cycle. Its just not realistic. Given certain circumstances, its not likely to change the way certain people discipline. their are so many factors, including poverty, lack of education, no help from fathers, so many things. My friend has a college degree, however talking to her you would never know it. She used to work with me at a job that was all white women, she would do her hair like us try to fit in as much as possible. But she told me thats not accepted by her black friends, you do your hair a certain way, you talk a certain way, you act a certain way. Seeing some of her convos on FB i cant even understand what shes saying half the time b/c of the poor grammer, language, and how she talks to her friends.
Its just simply not going to change, its how it is. She would have to get off of welfare move out of the "hood" which she likes living in b/c thats what she knows. And leave all her friends. I've asked her about this several times. She can send her kids wherever she wants and she chooses to send her kids in the worst neigborhood, its an all black school, and she said she does this, b/c her friends would think shes nuts for turning on her own kind. By moving out of the hood, and how dare she send her kids where a few white kids may attend. Its a way of life you get used to, and i dont know how else to say it. You whoop your kids and try your best to control them given the environment they live in.

Sarah - posted on 01/17/2011

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But that's exactly my point Shauna, continuing that cycle of violence means it will NEVER end.

"Whooping" your kids teaches them that if someone does something wrong, they need a "whooping" put that in the hands of a 16yr old........"That kid said something bad to me.....he's in the wrong.......what happens when someone is wrong.......the get a "whooping""

I'm not saying it's easy for some people to break the cycle.....but some people DO manage it, it CAN be done. So why not be one of THOSE people??

Shauna - posted on 01/17/2011

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heres the real problem. Getting police involved does nothing but put yourself in more danger. Gang Bangers dont give a fuck, about the "law" getting in their way. And Police frankly are going to do nothing about it. Telling a cop you are getting threats is only going to piss the gang members off, and you are back where you started the whole family is at risk. Living in a highly populated gang community i know this. My friend who went to school in the black community more rough part of town, told me over 20 of her peers she went to Highschool with has been killed in some form of gang related activity. She has gone to more funerals than the time she has spent catching up with old friends. My friend has 4 kids and is a black women herself, she whoops her kids. And her kids are pretty horrible. They dont listen , they get in trouble at school, her daughter brought a toy gun to school, so she whooped her daughters ass. She did this b/c the school was claiming your a bad mom control your kid. Shes tried the talk method ... it doesnt do shit. Not when you are growing up in a community where all you see is gang activity its the "cool thing to do" And being a school where all the kids talk about is gangs! There parents were in gangs, they have friends who have been shot up ... there house got shot up last week in a drive by, theese kids think its neat,and thats all they know.
My friends daughters principle called her and said she was going to turn her into CPS if she found out her daughter was beat again. b/c her daughter told the school. So this was my friends response. "FUCK it, im not allowed to discipline my kids, talking dont work, i can talk talk talk till im blue in the face" So fuck it ... they want me to not control my kids ... let them run the streets, let them continue to beat/bully others at school, and when they come crying to me, im going to laugh and say sorry im not allowed to discipline my kids.
And in my opinon my friend is a great mother, ive seen her with her kids, she loves them. Shes a single mom of 4 kids, working full time, shes not around to catch everything. Her kids are heading down a destructive path , and its already quite obvious. Untill you live in an area where all you know is crime, and your kids are influenced by all of it, i dont think anyone can quite fathom the importance of putting an end to your childs behavior immediatly.
And the talking.. showing graphic pics dont always work. These kids dont need the pics, they see it in real life, and think its pretty awesome.

Sarah - posted on 01/17/2011

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He's 16, so I would EXPLAIN to him that what he did was unacceptable, I would maybe show him what the consequences of being in a gang could be for him and the family........in GRAPHIC detail. I would ground him, remove ALL his privileges, remove all his phones, computers etc. I would walk himself to the door of his school and meet him there again after. He would have NO life other than school, homework and chores for a LONG time.
If I was REALLY concerned, I would get the police involved, surely sending death threats is an offence.......


I'm sure some of the other ladies that think hitting someone with a belt is disgusting can think of some other good punishments for him too.

What I would NEVER do, is BEAT a child (or any other human being for that matter) with a flippin' belt!!!!

I would NEVER resort to violence, because it just put's out a message that violence is acceptable, which is isn't.

Shauna - posted on 01/17/2011

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And i would like to ask: If you feel this is the wrong way of going about the situation. Knowing that "child" just put his family at risk by the mention of being in a gang. Im talking his whole family. This isnt no joke, He gave his whole damn family a death sentence, but this.
How would you exactly punish him?

Shauna - posted on 01/17/2011

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I agree sometimes violence is nessecary in certain cases. Every country promotes it. Military kills everyday, and we praise them as heros.

Sarah - posted on 01/17/2011

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He's hardly Hitler!!
Besides, Gandhi seemed to get his point across with non violent methods!

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I'd like to c the non violent approch to have stopped Hitler. However disgusting, sometimes violence is nessisary. If it weren't, then most religion's god's wouldn't use it !

Sarah - posted on 01/17/2011

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Surely by resorting to violence........you're not that different from the people in the gangs you want disassociate yourselves with!
Solving problems with violence is what GANGS do.

That poor lad is probably going to grow up and have kids of his own, who he will then BEAT with BELT, coz that's all he's never known.......then THEY will have kids and the cycle will go round and round.

What if it had been the uncles wife who had pretended to be in a gang? Would you all be ok with him assaulting her with a belt????

Violence breeds violence (oooooh, just like in a GANG!) and surely the best way to try and get rid of gang mentality, is to move away from beating people with bloody belts!!!

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"i dont see this as abuse at all. I think the kids accepted that he fucked up and is taking it. b/c he knows he was wrong for the whole gang situation."



Yep OR he is so used to being treated like a sub-class citizen and so used the abuse he just takes it, as many abuse victims do, they are made to think they deserve it even when they are physically capable of making it stop, you just have to look at abused women to see that!



You are right if my kid was about to run in front of a car I would grab him and remove him from the danger yes BUT I would NOT then give him a beating because he put himself in danger I would explain HOW and WHY he put himself in danger, we really are doing children a disservice if we don't explain things to them, that is HOW they grow as people, it is how they learn to make the right choices when given moral dilemmas such as whether or not to joke about being a gang member, if we give them the tools when they are young they carry them all their life!



"If he sat that little punk down and said " and said now Da'shawn .. *whatever his name may be" gangs are not right ... you dont joke about ya hear me? >>>>>>> ya that kids gonna laugh in his face and go about his buis."



Shauna, I never said sit him down and say oh don't joke about being in a gang ya hear me? I said show him WHY he doesn't, you do NOT need to beat him to make him understand. That child is old enough to be shown graphic images of WHAT gangs do, not only to other gangs, but to members who try to leave, to family of members who do something wrong etc etc. He is old enough to be shown how many people die because of gangs and how they die because of gangs. If I could I would make him speak to ex gang members about WHY he doesn't want to get involved and HOW it fucked up their lives. None of this involves humiliating him OR beating him.



Children are NOT our property and we do NOT get to decide what mistakes they make, as parents we can guide them back onto the correct path, we don't do this by beating them!



Edited to amend spelling :-)

Conniemarie - posted on 01/16/2011

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@ Kati, do u know what it takes to be in a gang? FOr a man, u have to either be beaten by a mob and not defend yourself or kill someone. in some cases, both. and for women, the same, but sometimes u can get "in" by basically being rapped by the members. So a little whoopin of that belt IS NOT going to send him into the arms of an "understanding" gang. It's an oxymoron and I truely wish more people knew what REALLY happens on the streets.

Violence does breed vilence, but once the environment is contaminated, it loses the effect. Like a gateway drug leading to more. I pray every night this never becomes a need for my home. But I also pray we keep the roof over our heads and food on the table. I don't think meny people have any real experiences like this. I hope they never do. But i think people should take a better look @ what is there before the become judge and jury...

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I do agree this was pretty appauling. BUT, I come from a place that is unimaginable to most others. I would not wish it on anyone, but if this kid really did go claiming he killed people and was a gang member, HE COULD SERIOUSLY HAVE GOTTEN HIS FAMILY OR HIMSELF KILLED!!! I don't think alot of u realize the true danger of stuip masses. People involved in gang activity c even the dumbest things like that as a threat. I have seen my friends buried for less. Truely, honestly, I wish this stuff didn't happen, and I will do my best to keep my children safe, but in real life, lives displayed such as these, it is almost a nessicty.

Did u ever think how real that threat is that the uncle that he would put himself on WORLDWIDE video to have his nephew set the record straight? He put himself in big danger to maybe protect the lives of their family. Claiming a gang when ur not is like a suicide statment. Just last yr my neice in highschool knew a girl that got stabed in the neck and died. This girl was claiming she was part of a gang, and died for it. when I talked to my neice n her friends about it they were indifferent. stating " she got what she deserved, she asked for it cause everyone knows u don't do it. Her bad."

however appauled i was about it, and hated the heartless way they responded, I do undertand what they ment.

She was "doing harmelss" things with words. But common sense didn't stop her. Have u ever buried a child? Wouldn't this be a better alternative?

Rosie - posted on 01/16/2011

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well we all know what BEATING him with a belt has gotten him into, right? more violence.
i've always been of the mind that a little spank here or there isn't going to harm a child ( i dont' feel it's the best way, but it can work when used effectively), but BEATING him with a belt?!! you know damn well that that isn't the first time that kid got beat with a belt. and what has it gotten him? the starting of a life in a gang? sure beat him again, see how much that works with a 16 year old kid-it'll make him RUN straight to that gang of friends who understand him instead of BEAT him.

Shauna - posted on 01/16/2011

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By the looks of that kid ... he could grab that belt out of the uncles hand and whoop him if he wanted... i dont see this as abuse at all. I think the kids accepted that he fucked up and is taking it. b/c he knows he was wrong for the whole gang situation.
Being in a gang potentialy threatens your family, and puts them at risk ... i dont think some are seeing the seriousness behind this. If your child was about to get hit by a car, you wouldnt say ... no johnny time out for not listenting ... you would grab that kid throw him on the ground yell scream whatever for his safety ....
IMO thats all his uncle is doing.... If he sat that little punk down and said " and said now Da'shawn .. *whatever his name may be" gangs are not right ... you dont joke about ya hear me? >>>>>>> ya that kids gonna laugh in his face and go about his buis.
Ever heard the term "i brought you into this world and i can take you out"?
I think that goes into effect in the teen years!
If my son did something fucked up and uncalled for you better belive my husbands kicking his little bitch ass, weather i believed in spanking when he was a child or not. This Punk is NOT a child.

Nikkole - posted on 01/16/2011

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I know from experience some kids are just so hard to discipline my 17 (almost 18yr old) sister is horrible my mom tried talking to her,time outs,spankings, and even Military school!!! Nothing has worked she is mouthy disrespectful, VERY immature (she argues with my 3yr old son) she is ver vain and soon mmy mom won't be able to do anything she will be responsible for herself but i can see how some parents or guardians feel like they have run out of options and are mentally exhausted!

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Which as we all know that appropriate discipline is different for everyone because we have been back and forth many times on that topic.

Rosie - posted on 01/16/2011

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wouldn't get to that point if they were appropriately disciplined in the first place.

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"Jodi, I thought that about the uncles trousers too, then I realised they were falling down because he had his belt in his hand beating his nephew with it...it took me a while (I'm blaming the baby) :-) Duh lol!"

Bahahaha, I never thought of that, doh!!! I guess I just obviously don't have too much experience of people pulling their belts off to smack around their kids.

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Honestly that kid should be ashamed. The uncle made a point and hopefully it suck. The "gentle" approach does not always work when your dealing with teenagers who think they are 10 foot tall and bullet proof.

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I am absolutely amazed how many of you think that this is ok, this uncle is abusing his nephew which is, or at least should be, never ok! If that were my son I would be contacting the police for assault!

Using an object to hit anyone is against the law in many places in the world for a reason! It is violent and I cannot see how that teaches anyone to not be violent.

What that uncle did was belittle the nephew...that is abusive and should not be allowed.

If the child was making daft claims of being in a gang when he wasn't the uncle could have shown the nephew what happens to people in gangs, why it is not a good idea and why they don't want any of his family affiliated with them, that would have taught him something rather than just humiliating him by beating him.

Jodi, I thought that about the uncles trousers too, then I realised they were falling down because he had his belt in his hand beating his nephew with it...it took me a while (I'm blaming the baby) :-) Duh lol!

Jenn - posted on 01/16/2011

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Sorry Kati - I didn't click on the links - I see it now. So I guess I stand corrected that it is more prevalent in the black community.
And Jodi, you make a good point. While I was searching for some info I came across a study that found a link between children who were spanked as toddlers and bad behaviour as they grew older. So the logic that spanking is correcting bad behaviour is completely flawed, as in the end it can only worsen problems.

Rosie - posted on 01/16/2011

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look at the last link i posted jenn and you'll find the stats.



and yes i thought the same damn thing when i was looking for stats about black kids getting hit in school! where is this happening at?? what school is allowed to hit ANY child?? that's freaking scary!!

Jodi - posted on 01/16/2011

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Quoting Shauna:

"Violence starts somewhere, and for the uncle trying to put a end to it more power too him. "



This doesn't look to me like an example of the uncle "putting an end to" violence at all. This "is" violence. If this is the way the uncle treats him, is it any wonder the child only understands violence?



Quoting Jenn:

"Am I the only one who finds this appalling?"



I actually find it appalling that the US still has corporal punishment in any of its schools at all......



However I don't think you can assume those statistics are purely about racism, as this is simply correlation. MAYBE the black children, who are perhaps living in a different environment (perhaps being "whooped" at home more, more of them may be from single parent families) are actually misbehaving at a greater rate because of their upbringing, or some other factors.

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OK - just because I'm bored and I find this grossly fascinating - I have been reading some info on corporal punishment. In the 2005-2006 school year in the US, 223,190 kids were hit AT school by a teacher/principal - and of course that's only the ones that were actually reported. Am I the only one who finds this appalling? And I found this: "African-American students comprise 17% of all public school students in the U.S., but are 36% of those who have corporal punishment inflicted on them, more than twice the rate of white students." Now, this isn't what is happening at home or what is more accepted in the black community - but what is happening at schools. My guess? Racism running rampant in the school system. Now if only I could find actual stats on corporal punishment among races.

Jenn - posted on 01/16/2011

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As if I'd base anything off of what Michael Jackson's parents say, or a stand-up comedian in their routine.

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http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812...

here's an interview oprah did with michael jacksons parents, where they stated "that's how black people disipline", the video is no longer available, but there is a thing that you can listen on the top of the page to a radio interview about that whole oprah interview. http://www.scpr.org/programs/madeleine-b...

here's another with statistics, black children are 30%more likely to suffer from physical abuse. http://www.myspace.com/forums/t/4810237?...



whether people want to admit it or not, the black community views it as more favorable than the white community. once again, i'm not saying every black person does it, and no white people do. i'm just saying time and time again, you'll hear about how widely acceptable it is amongst the black community. listen to chris rock, or bernie mac talk. they use it in their skits all the time.

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I'd like to throw my 2 cents in on the race issue - I personally don't think that more black families use this method of discipline, but perhaps more families who live in certain areas. The black families that I know around here do NOT punish their kids like that. I think you'll find that certain areas of the US are very different in their beliefs and that perhaps there is a larger black population in those areas, which is why many people feel like this is how black parents punish their kids. I'd be willing to bet that in those same areas, the white/asian/indian etc. parents are also more likely to use this type of punishment.

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I'm still astounded by how many you are kind of ok with someone hitting someone else with a BELT.

I don't care what my kids did.....nothing......NOTHING......would make me beat them.....ASSAULT them with a belt.....nothing.

I don't think it's anything to do with race either really, I'd bet my bottom dollar that there's just as many other races that would do the same, mores the pity!

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jodi, and cassie, it is widely known that the black community finds this type of punishment acceptable. it's widely used within the black community. it does not mean that every black person uses this as a form of punishment, but it IS more often used in the black community.

here's an article written by a black person stating the same thing.http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...

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