What do you think of America/ Americans?

Tanya - posted on 07/04/2010 ( 297 moms have responded )

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Education: In benchmarking among member countries the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, some 30 of the world's most developed nations, U.S. students finished 21st in science; 25th in math; 15th in literacy and 24th in problem solving.
http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/show_...

Poverty:About 15.6 million children are estimated to be living in poverty this year, but study authors say this number will start going down.
This year, as many as 500,000 children may be homeless in the United States, according to the report
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/08/chi...

Obesity: Prevalence of adults in the U.S. who are obese is still high, with about one-third of adults obese in 2007-2008, although new data suggest that the rate of increase for obesity in the U.S. in recent decades may be slowing, according to a new CDC study appearing in the January 20 issue of JAMA.
http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/index.ht...


The U.S. federal government dictates that employees are given exactly zero paid holiday and vacation days a year (that means, if you get such things, it is because your employer is being generous/in a benefits arms race with other employers).
http://contexts.org/socimages/2010/01/31...

Gun control

Health care

Gay marriage

Our college system

War

Anything is fair game to talk about. Please be very honest. I have always wanted to know what the rest of the world thinks of us. I will also go ahead and post a warning to easily offended American you might not want to read this. SO go ahead the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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Tanya - posted on 07/07/2010

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Also for the two moms that want America to be run on christian values which christian values?

If we go with Methodist than we should approve gay marriage.

If we go with catholic then our children should be confessing to a priest when they come to school and then be given so many hail marys.

If we go with baptist then we can't pray to mary because you can only pray to god.

If we go with some of the very strict Pentecostal rule then all the women should be home schooling their children. We would also be required to wear long skirt and long sleeve shirt year round.

So as soon as you christians get together and figure out which rules are the "right ones" please let the rest of us know. Until then maybe we should look into running the country in a way that children will be provided for.

I don't know why you think the founding fathers would want children to suffer with sicknesses and be to poor to go to the doctor. Who would want that?

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I remember a great saying but I can't remember where I heard it, something along the lines of 'A person can be smart, but people are stupid'. I love it and it sums up how I think in regards to this thread. I know there are a great many intelligent Americans, hell I am related to some. But the generalisation of Americans as ignorant, arrogant dumbasses is prevalent. Shame really because the same can be said about all nationalities and countries.

What really disturbs me about America is the attitude that is starting to dominate this thread. Someone asks for an opinion about the country, some people give an honest opinion and a few Americans jump up and down and start bleating patriotically about how great their country is and how dare anyone criticise it. How about just stop burying your head in the sand and admit your country has room for improvement. Hell every country has room for improvement. But this thread is about America/Americans and how they are perceived by others. A bit of constructive criticism is not something to get all angry about. Acknowledging areas for improvement and weaknesses is just as important in building a great nation as constantly banging on about your accomplishments as far as I am concerned.

ME - posted on 07/07/2010

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"We've been doing pretty well just being us for the past 234 years."

LEGALIZED: Slavery, Racism, Sexism, Heterosexism, Discrimination against the poor, PLUS: Bankruptcy due to medical bills, poor education, a poisoned environment, a youth encouraged to behave like entitled assholes...it goes on and on...
If the USA ever actually lived up to the ideals of EQUALITY, DEMOCRACY, and real FREEDOM for all people, we might be as good as we want to believe we are. I hope that we do, I will continue to hope for the best probably because of my American hopefulness and "can do" attitude...

Also: Please stop insisting that we are a Christian Nation...it is not true, and it is harming ALL of us to keep up that myth!

Isobel - posted on 07/17/2010

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Dear America,

Thank you for Jazz, and for the New York Yankees...for New York itself indeed. Thank you for Maine, where I vacation every year (and the lobster is almost as good as Nova Scotia's ;P), Thank you for great movies and tons of great food. Thank you for Boston, the only place other than Toronto that I could ever live...for Big wide open spaces and the entrepreneurial spirit. You're the best big brother a kid ever had.

You're pretty big and awesome, it's no wonder that you are sooooo proud, you'd be even cooler though, if you listened to the little people once in a while too.

There are others out there with awesome food and music, with ancient architecture and millenia-old traditions. Some are younger with some pretty crazy thoughts about what should be allowed. It just seems like anybody says any little thing in disagreeance with you, you fly off the handle and start telling people to leave or that they're "attacking" you...come on now, you are cooler than that.

I know you are because I've lived in California, my BIL and his beautiful family and friends live in NYC, and I go there on a regular basis. 99% of the Americans I've met in REAL LIFE are incredible...or are they just faking it to my face till they get on the computer and prove the world right about them?

Thank you,
Canada

Krista - posted on 07/04/2010

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I think that as a whole, Americans are great people. Their energy, their can-do attitude, their creativity, their innovation...it's all great. I've met many individual Americans and they've all been awesome people. You have a strong sense of national identity, and truly seem to love your country.

On the downside, I think that Americans are constantly being told that their country is the best place in the world, and the media keeps them in this insular bubble, which only reinforces that. This leads, unfortunately, to a disturbing lack of national humility and a definite sentiment that America is superior in all ways to all other countries. It's a shame, because I think that America could be even better if it was humble enough to look at some other countries and see how they're doing things, and maybe adopt some of their models -- but unfortunately, that doesn't seem to happen. Instead, large segments of American society belittle, berate, or ignore anything that any other country does differently from them.

I also feel that you have failed spectacularly in the whole "separation of church and state" thing, and that religion has too prominent a place in national discourse and in the setting of policy.

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Julie - posted on 07/20/2010

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Wow. It has not gone THAT far, I am merely trying to present another frame of mind. I am sorry that so few people can actually get outside their own personal bubble of existence and admit that there may be other viewpoints out there.

I NEVER called anyone unintelligent or stupid. I do not remember the specific context of the situation and conversation so I cannot recreate the moment that made me realize that I, PERSONALLY, chose not to blanket myself with the "American" label. I do remember a feeling of awkwardness and confusion (although short-lived) because of the ambiguity of that statement to that person(with at least one college degree). I, PERSONALLY, like to think of why that might be the case and what I could do to avoid it. The explanation that make most sense to me is that "we" tend to think everyone must know all about us and that is simply not the case. I stepped back and recognized there are a lot of "Americans" out there and they don't all live in the States.

I am not making a big deal, but I will not say I am wrong for wanting to SPECIFICALLY say what country I reside in ... it's a personal choice, I've already apologized for blanketing "us" as egotistical.

As for: @Julie - "only if you say that you speak English and expect me to know exactly where you live" Where has this come from nobody has mentioned what language you speak denoting where you live in the world? ---> I have brought in a comparison to the absurd. Many people speak English and you cannot assume they are citizens of England. Many people are American and not everybody will assume you mean a citizen of the United States of America (though many will).

You are free to call yourself what you want. I chose to be more specific. I also try to get people to at least acknowledge that an different viewpoint CAN exist and tend to defend myself if I have the time and inclination.

Sorry for all of you in a huff over this ... if it bothers you THAT much, you may be taking me a bit TOO seriously. Too bad subtle nuances of actually having a conversation get lost in text.

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Christa - cheers yeah I am lacking sleep the baby is poorly and keeps waking up in the middle of the night. I'm not quite sure what is wrong with my brain at the moment it is woking in very strange ways - I knew Mexico is in North America I meant to type Brazil (I think my brain needs sleep lol) Brazil and Brazilian (Mexico obviosuly got stuck in my head from Sharon's post) I will try to pay more attention in the future ;-)

Christa - posted on 07/19/2010

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@Julie, I'm not sure why this has gone as far as it has. A person from The United Kingdom of Great Britain is British AND European, because they are from the country The United Kingdom of Great Britain and the Continent Europe. Therefore a person from The United States of America is American and North American. If you want Americans to be called United Statesians then the British should also start calling themselves United Kingdomians, right? I don't know who you talked to the first place that was confused by this but they may not be the sharpest tools in the shed. I’ll give you that maybe our fore fathers could have been more creative with our name, but what’s done is done.

@Toni, I just wanted to clarify that Mexico is not in South America, it’s in North America. I’m sure it was a typo, but wanted to clarify since it seems small things confuse people. ;-)

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@Julie - "only if you say that you speak English and expect me to know exactly where you live" Where has this come from nobody has mentioned what language you speak denoting where you live in the world?

To be honest I actually think that you are demonstrating the exact thing many people have moaned about - the egotistical American because you ae treating people who are not from the US as unintelligent or stupid by suggesting that saying you are American will confuse us and we will not know you are from the US!

Julie - posted on 07/19/2010

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@Toni re: I am English I EXPECT you to know that means I am from England if you do not it is your job to find out - does that make me egotistical? --> only if you say that you speak English and expect me to know exactly where you live :-P



Seriously, almost half of the world (globally, though not by land mass, nor population) is, technically, American. I, personally, like to be specific. I apologize to all those who think I expect you to share my opinion. I do not apologize for having it.

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Julie as someone from somewhere other than the US I find it quite baffling that you think in order to not be egotistical you feel you need to justify what an American is - I am English I EXPECT you to know that means I am from England if you do not it is your job to find out - does that make me egotistical?

I agree with Sharon if you live in the USA you are American if you live in Mexico you are South American or Mexican for example. It is taking it too far to suggest that American's need to call themselves something other than American because you have met a couple of people who was confused about where that meant.

Julie - posted on 07/19/2010

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@Sharon -- moronic? really? I thought there were no personal attacks. It is clear you did not read my next post:

"You can disagree with me all you want, but I have actually met intelligent people from other places on this globe that find it confusing for us to call ourselves Americans. I hardly think it is an opinion if I am taking into account what others' perspective(s) may be. True, most will probably know what you mean, but I am trying to consider that there are those who may not know OR, if they DO know, they will appreciate the fact that I am not the "typical egotistical American" everyone on this thread is arguing about."

---I have NO problem understanding WHY people call themselves Americans AND expect others to always know what they mean. I can see that it is potentially vague and I CHOOSE to utilize different terminology.

Thanks for calling me a moron for realizing the world does, in fact, NOT revolve around the US.

Sharon - posted on 07/18/2010

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I'm ignoring most of this stuff, mostly because I can't stop laughing at the moronic "I hate being called american... what about the rest of northern america" um because our country is called the United States of AMERICA.

This is why our neighbors to the north are called CANADIANS. Because THEIR country is called CANADA! And our neighbors to the south are called MEXICANS. Because their country is called MEXCIO.

if you need more help understanding how peoples of a particular country get called something - feel free to ask me.

Rosie - posted on 07/18/2010

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you know jodi, my husband laughs at me cause i get excited to see who's fighting each day. he said the exact same thing-why don't you go get your popcorn out, lol!!!

Jodi - posted on 07/17/2010

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I'd rather have more expensive gas and a free health care system :) Our petrol and gas in Australia is quite heavily taxed, so we pay more, but not as much as is paid in Europe.



I just finished watching John Q for about the 10th time (well, it was on TV while I was baking) and I wonder how often a situation like that (a kid left to die because of lack of money) happens.

Becky - posted on 07/16/2010

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Your gas is a lot cheaper than ours is up here, despite us having so much gas and oil of our own. I don't get that.

LaCi - posted on 07/16/2010

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I'm not sure about other states but in Indiana prenatal care is covered by medicaid, you basically go to public health offices and they hook you up. Same with vaccines and such, and children without insurance can also be covered by medicaid. I think it's a lack of information though, a lot of people aren't aware that those services are available to them. I didn't know. Fortunately I did have health insurance, however crappy it may have been.

But yeah... the rest of our healthcare system is shocking.

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Your health care system shocks me to my core. I cannot believe some people just can't go to the doctor, or have to choose which finger to reattach, or don't get any maternal care because they can't afford it. It is insane to me that the citizens of your country accept that as health care. I cannot imagine having to debate whether or not I can afford to go to a doctor, or having to pay for my c-section, x-rays, ultrasounds, or any of the other medical care I've received in my 28 years. I would be dead broke by now!

I also don't get what your issue is with gay marriage. Church and state should always be separated, why does anyone care who someone else wants to marry? I don't get it.

Jodi - posted on 07/13/2010

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Don't worry Christina, it's just that I ran out of popcorn, so thought I'd just clarify..... :P

I wouldn't worry about arguing with her any further....notice her deactivated accounts.....all of them?

C. - posted on 07/13/2010

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Ok, thank you Jodi and Cathy. Apparently my friend forgot to mention that they accept under 18.



It's not bitching back and forth. She apparently doesn't know what she's talking about and she got mad that a couple people called her out on it. I told her she was wasting my time and that I didn't have time for this and she still continued, even though she's still not aware of what is really going on. That's not my fault that she chooses to do one-sided research.



In fact, I even said "Ugh this is so childish, Elisabeth."

Jodi - posted on 07/13/2010

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Actually Christina, they do accept minors. This is from their "Information for Reserve Candidates" document:



"Age Restriction

The ADF observes a minimum voluntary recruitment age of 17 years. All minors (under 18 years of age) must have the written consent of both parents or legal guardian(s) to join the Services prior to enlistment or appointment. As evidence of proof of age, all persons wishing to join the ADF must present an original or

certified copy of their full birth certificate to their Case Manager.

The ADF will take all feasible measures to ensure that minors do not participate in hostilities; however there might be times that this will not be possible."



http://content.defencejobs.gov.au/pdf/tr...



Sorry, I had to find that because the bitching going on between you two was annoying the crap out of me....

C. - posted on 07/13/2010

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Ugh this is so childish, Elisabeth. If that's the case, then why did my friend WHO IS AUSTRALIAN AND USED TO BE IN THE AUSTRALIAN ARMY (who is OUR age, BTW- 21) who is also my friend's fiance, that the enlistment age is 18? What would be the point for him to lie to me about that, huh?? Yeah.. Go concoct a better story and quit wasting my time. The only reason you won't be on much is b/c you can't think of a better line right now.

Elisabeth - posted on 07/13/2010

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Christina, I asked you to stop wasting my time, it seems you can't resist. I thought I would set you straight on one thing as it seems that you think you know everything. Where I'm from you can enrol for the Army at 16 and 9 months and start training at 17 yo, for the reserves training it is 26 weeks. I finished training just after I turned 18. So if you want to go around claiming you know everything and everyone else is just making things up perhaps you should ask for more details first. Now I'm finished wasting my time and energy on you. I am very busy atm as I have some friends from overseas staying for a while so will not be on for sometime so you will just have to find somebody else to annoy with your mindless babbling.

C. - posted on 07/12/2010

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Oh geeze.. I never said you were making up that your husband was from there. And quit telling me to grow up. You have quite a bit of growing up to do yourself, you know!

The oil spill off the Gulf Coast has NOTHING to do with whether our troops are over in Iraq to steal oil. If you're going to post something, at least make some sense about it.

I highly doubt you were in the Army Reserves.. Maybe you were, but I doubt it was in the US, therefore I don't doubt my previous statement where I said you apparently know nothing of the US military.

The UN is usually against the US Government. Keep up!!! Of course they are going to say something bad about them. Try doing some UN-BIASED research, you know.. Research where there's more than one side to the story??

"It doesn't take years and yers to pull out"

Um, YES it does. I would like yo see you head a group of soldiers out there and see otherwise.. You'd be getting one rude awakening. The enemy (Middle East) keeps changing strategies, which means they keep going from one position to another, which in turn changes our strategies to TRY to avoid conflict. Doesn't always work, but they try. And yes, that can take years. Of course, if you knew anything about the military at all, you'd know that. Which makes me HIGHLY doubt that you were ever in the military. I don't see how hard that is to understand, but Ok.

Oh, and BTW, Elisabeth.. Don't you have two YOUNG girls at home and you're only 21?? At least that's what it said on your profile.. How on earth did you find time to become a Reservist between turning 18 and pumping out 2 kids by 21? Just curious. Your story doesn't exactly add up, so stop trying to concoct one. It isn't working.

"And if I do come, I'm not coming to visit you so don't get so excited about it and just relax"

Elisabeth, don't flatter yourself. Even if you wanted to come visit, you wouldn't be welcome in my home. I just don't see how you can sit there and rag on the US so much but still want to come visit. I mean, if I hated a country the way you seem to, I wouldn't want to visit them! And I said you aren't welcome in the country when you talk crap about our nation like that. Apparently some people feel the same way b/c they rated my post. Here's a hint: Quit contradicting yourself and maybe someone will take you seriously someday.

And yes, your post was an attack on our Government AS WELL AS our soldiers, IMO. You can try to weasel your way out of that one, I'm not buying your cover story. Sorry.

Now, I really don't have time for you. Your comments are not only ignorant and contradicting, but irritating as well.

Elisabeth - posted on 07/12/2010

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Ok to start with I am not saying that every soldier has a empty oil can hidden under his jacket waiting to steal every drop that might fall, the US Army is stealing oil though, it is not a conspiracy theory, even the UN has said it. I understand that Arabic news is not all truthful, just like any other news source or media, but it's a bit hard to fake a US Army helicoper launching rockets into a house because they thought their might be teliban in it, turns out it was a family with 4 children, no ties to taliban (this is just an example, there are plenty of others). And btw Christina, no my husband isn't making things up about the middle east, nor am I making up that hes even from there, grow up. It doesn't take years and yers to pull out, if you were pulling out then why are you sending more troops (BTW I was a member of the Army Reserves, so um I might actually know a thing or two 8-)) If you're going to try and start a fight (or debate whatever you want to call it) then come up with something decent not a load of rubbish and stop wasting my time, thank you. Oh and what you said about the oil spill off the coast, your not there for oil then what is all that stuff floating on the water, chocolate pudding? And if I do come, I'm not coming to visit you so don't get so excited about it and just relax.

My posts about the war in Iraq, are not an attack on America or the American people as a wholeor the soldiers , it's an attack on the goverment, politians, the people that pull the strings so to speak. Most of the soldiers just following orders from the 'big wigs', I understand that.

Tanya - posted on 07/11/2010

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America does other shady things for oil. We are still great friends with Saudi Arabia. After 9/11 they point blank said that if Osama Bin Ladan was hiding there they would not give him to us or even tell us about it.

LaCi - posted on 07/11/2010

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Wanna talk about how the taliban kills valuable poppy fields now? ;D

Gotta get those guys.

Johnny - posted on 07/11/2010

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So if US & Britain didn't invade Iraq to control the oil reserves, what was the point? WMD that they knew didn't exist? Getting rid of an evil dictator? (Because he was somehow worse than countless others around the globe??)

Seriously! Questioning why America went into Iraq does not have to be about disparaging the troops. Aside from the very few (which is the case for any country in any war zone) it appears that the American military has conducted itself very well, done its duty and served it's country with honor. The same commendations can not be given to the politicians that sent the troops there in the first place. The administration that chose, with congress' agreement, to launch a war in Iraq should be investigated for its reasons. There have never been any good answers.

Having issues with the war in Iraq is not an attack on America. It may be an attack on certain politicians, but it does not encompass the entire country. There are very many Americans that do not support the Iraq war, are they not allowed to question their government in a democracy?

LaCi - posted on 07/11/2010

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We were in Iraq for oil, and new legislature in Iraq has opened the oil up to western companies. We don't have to continue to occupy the country when we've set up favorable legislature and government within the country to meet our needs. No, the soldiers aren't running around loading up tankers. No one has said that. The soldiers fight and fought as they normally would, the politicians deal with officials and legislation. I'm not really sure how anyone wouldn't understand that. As for the cost of oil/gas, there are many factors included in that completely independent of who owns the oil.

*gets out her tinfoil*

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Elizabeth has a point and i agree with her. I do not believe in politics anymore after reading books and doing many researchs on my own i found that. We are all being played by the wealthy elites of the world. They know what is happening they want us to be seperated then the more damges they can do. Look at what as people we can accomplished when we work together allot gets done. The media is run by wealthy elites they put out what they want us to here so half truth to the stories or lies.

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Geeze Elisabeth, we are not there for the oil. If that was the case our gas prize wouldn't be going up! We are pulling out of Iraq and not many people, even in The US agree with us being there. But I'll tell you that no matter where our troops are sent, as a military wife I'll always support our troops.
But why on earth would you want to visit USA since you hate it so much?

C. - posted on 07/11/2010

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"I don't mind america as a whole but my biggest bone to pick is that they are in Iraq. They claim they are trying to stop the war and looking for weapons on mass destruction when really they are just there to steal oil."



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! OMG, Elisabeth, you cannot be serious!!!! They're there to STEAL OIL???????? That is the biggest crock I've heard, ever. OMG, how ignorant.



For one thing, my husband is in Iraq, so to just assume that the troops are there to 'steal oil' is not only just ludicrous, it's offensive as well, as if to say our military is nothing but a bunch of thieves- and it is not.



"if they were there to stop a war, it would be done by now"



You are obviously COMPLETELY oblivious to how any military works, especially in war. It takes a long time to pack up and move out, you have to plan strategically, you can't just slap something together in a few days, weeks, months, even years. Plans end up changing b/c the enemy keeps changing strategies. Get real.



"then just start drilling and stealing oil or other natural resources. Oil is one of the only ways Iraq could make money and now they can't make any because the US Army is taking it all, every single person in Iraq (and the Middle East) is effected by the US's selfishness in one way or another."



Your statements are THE MOST ignorant comments I have ever read. What a moronic thing to say. Trust me, I've seen pictures of where my husband is, a LOT of pictures.. And NOT IN ONE OF THOSE PICTURES is an oil rig, not even a makeshift oil rig. You really need to do some REAL research.



"My husband is from Kuweit and his mother and father are from Iraq"



Since you seem to be doing nothing with your time except for making up some stupid little conspiracies against the US, I'll sit here and try to make up my own.. How do we know your husband isn't making all that up so we feel sorry for people in Middle East that attacked the US?? How do we know that you aren't in on it, too??



See how ridiculous that sounds, Elisabeth? Your post isn't very credible, for one thing. I know a lot about the military and so do several others in the DM community. You, however, know absolutely nothing of the US military, no matter how much you like to think you do.



"don't just beleive what the politician with the nice tie is telling you"



Well, Toni M beat me to it.. How can you sit there and believe everything you see on the Arabic news and absolutely nothing on the English news?? Did it occur to you that THEY will lie to you, too?? They don't want you to know the truth b/c they want you to hate America, and England! Geez-louise.



"America destroyed many beautiful countries and innocent lives for oil, now the oil spill off Mexico Coast is destroying America, one word - Karma."



HAHAHA!!!! WE AREN'T THERE FOR STUPID OIL!!!!!!!!! Holy freaking cow, that was funny. Thanks for the laugh.



"I would like to and plan to one day visit America, I think it is a beautiful country with many wounderful things"



Uh, that's Ok.. We don't want you to. Anyone who says what you just said, isn't welcome to America in my book. You don't deserve to see all the wonderful things the US has to offer when you say stuff like that.

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Christina P I appreciate that people can be lazy - and it really irks me that people cannot be bothered to get a job but they never will when they get more in benefits than they could earn (in the UK). I however, would rather keep children with their parents and out of the care system where their parents are not abusing them - because they get benefits and free healthcare in the UK they are not putting their children in risk. I think it is a ridiculous idea to suggest that people who are lazy should have their children put into an already struggling system how would this help the children?

As for paying taxes so everyone even the lazy can get healthcare like I said in that post I would rather look a little further than my backyard and not just look after number 1 - just because it does not affect my family does not mean I shouldn't help people - by this reasoning you shouldn't give to charity or aid because some of the people recieving it may be LAZY and not work for what you are giving! FYI that is why it is called UHC because everybody gets it and nobody is excluded for any reason (people who belong to the country).

The OP asked about opinions on the US not any other country so I have answered this - if you read my earlier posts I have given things that I like about America - I do not dislike it, I just dislike some aspects of it! I have been frank with what I like and dislike about the UK in the UK post :-)

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Elisabeth - you are contradicting yourself - you say that you cannot trust US media and politicians to tell you the truth as to what is happening in Iraq because they tell you what is acceptable to know BUT you fail to see that Arabic media and politicians will be doing the same they do not want the US and British troops there - it is propaganda to create like thinking amongst the people.

We as the general public will never know the true facts as to why the war is going on - we are not privy to the knowledge our governments have and probably never will be. It is not possible for the troops to just pull out now because the stability of the countries rely on them being there (and the lives of innocent people). Your post is also incredibly disrespectful to the troops that are there - you are suggesting that they are murders and thieves which is not true (in the majority).

Elisabeth - posted on 07/11/2010

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Ok I'm probably going to upset a few people here but what the hell, anything goes right? It's probably already been said but I don't have time to read back all the posts as there is quite a few. I don't mind america as a whole but my biggest bone to pick is that they are in Iraq. They claim they are trying to stop the war and looking for weapons on mass destruction when really they are just there to steal oil. I know everyone jumps up and down saying America are the good guys but lets face it, if they were there to stop a war, it would be done by now, if they were there to find weapons then surely they would of found them by now. The US Army is the biggest consumer of oil in the world and where do you think they get it from? You might say Texas or offshore but that is not nearly enough to sustain Americas huge hunger for oil, let alone the troops overseas. I couldn't imagine how the US would be up in arms if someone invaded them claiming they were looking for weapons and then just start drilling and stealing oil or other natural resources. Oil is one of the only ways Iraq could make money and now they can't make any because the US Army is taking it all, every single person in Iraq (and the Middle East) is effected by the US's selfishness in one way or another. The US has destroyed the beautiful country that is Iraq for their own selfious needs. Most people think it's nothing more then sand and desert, but it's not. My husband is from Kuweit and his mother and father are from Iraq, it breaks their heart when they turn on the Arabic news and see what is happening. English (American) news never shows what is really happening there but turn on Arabic news and it's nothing but American soldiers killing innocent people and taking land and oil, people dying of hunger/thirst/poverty because America is taking away their main (and sometimes only) form of income. What happened to learning from history's mistakes, the Boer War ring any bells. I know it's not the same as WW2 but it's similar in the way that one country thinks it can rule everyone else and can take or do what ever it wants. I don't want to hear "They're not doing that.", if you really think that they are doing no evil then maybe you should stop listening to the goverment agencies that bullshit out their arse to make themselves/their country feel better and look at the real facts, look on non american websites, listen to Arabic news (if it's been translated obviuosly), don't just beleive what the politician with the nice tie is telling you. (I will provide websites when I get some more time and can remember what the main one I want to use is called, will search for it, 8-/) It makes me think...America destroyed many beautiful countries and innocent lives for oil, now the oil spill off Mexico Coast is destroying America, one word - Karma. I would like to and plan to one day visit America, I think it is a beautiful country with many wounderful things, but sometimes it can do some really f#@king ugly things.

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This is what that comment was supposed to say. If you read most of it, just skip down.

http://www.caring.com/articles/how-does-...
"What is Medicaid?
Medicaid is a federal government program to help provide healthcare coverage to certain categories of people who have low income and few assets (other than the home they live in). Among those covered by Medicaid are people over 65 and those with disabilities. Each state runs its own version of Medicaid, with slightly different rules and coverage."

http://www.caring.com/articles/how-medic...
"Medicare pays for about half of all medical costs for older Americans, including hospitalization, doctors, some nursing care, some prescription drug costs, and medical equipment and supplies. But there's much that Medicare doesn't cover, as well as an alphabet soup of coverages, premiums, deductibles, and eligibility requirements that can be difficult to navigate -- especially for someone facing a health crisis.

Here are the basics everyone should know about Medicare, and where to look for more information if you need it:

"What is Medicare?
Medicare consists of four categories: Part A covers hospitalization, some skilled nursing facility and home health care, and hospice. Part B covers doctors' services and outpatient care such as X-rays, laboratory work, some home health care, physical and occupational therapy, and some preventive screening. Then there's Part C, also known as Medicare Advantage, which is Medicare received through a private managed care system such as an HMO (health maintenance organization) or PPO (preferred provider organization). When someone enrolls in a Medicare Advantage plan, they receive all the benefits of Medicare Parts A and B, as well as some additional coverage provided by the private plan. As with other managed care, however, Medicare Advantage plans limit where and how their members may receive care. Finally, there's Medicare Part D, which consists of private insurance plans that partially cover prescription drug costs."

That ought to cover the bases. No excuse, IMO, to not have some form of health insurance. This is the very reason we have Medicaid and Medicare, to take care of the elderly, the low-income families, the disabled.. We don't NEED Universal Healthcare. If you (general you) open your eyes, the resources are already there, people just have to use them.

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--"Julie, I have to disagree with you. We are the United States of AMERICA, no other country has America in it's title. Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Peru, Argentina, Costa Rica, Panama, etc all are part of the Americas, but not one has America in their name"--



You can disagree with me all you want, but I have actually met intelligent people from other places on this globe that find it confusing for us to call ourselves Americans. I hardly think it is an opinion if I am taking into account what others' perspective(s) may be. True, most will probably know what you mean, but I am trying to consider that there are those who may not know OR, if they DO know, they will appreciate the fact that I am not the "typical egotistical American" everyone on this thread is arguing about.

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Ew I can't stand racist people. Fucking idiots, lol. Whether they're from America or anywhere else.

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I do not dislike americans as a whole but as a black person i would not want to live in parts of america. The crazy rednecks and the crazy racist shit that goes in parts of america no thank you and those kinds think they have a right to tell me to go back to africa lol.

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"And Jessica, I NEVER said that JUST B/C SOMEONE CAN'T AFFORD healthcare, that they're lazy. I said that WHEN THEY DON'T MAKE AN EFFORT TO GET A JOB SO THEY CAN PAY FOR HEALTHCARE makes them lazy. HUGE difference. So don't go calling me ignorant when you're the one that can't distinguish what I did/did not say!"

But what about the people who have jobs and still have trouble affording it? Or can only afford the bare minimum and still pay for many things out of pocket? Because that is the case with many many Americans. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are real flaws in our system when people who work full time can barely afford coverage- its not a problem with the people being too lazy to go make enough money.

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Jenny, I was wondering the same thing. You can't just assume someone is lazy because they are unemployed. There will always be unemployed people who ARE lazy, but I think you'll find the vast majority are not.

Jenny - posted on 07/10/2010

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On the lazy people thing, if you're unemployment rate is above 0 that means there is not enough jobs in existance. So how can they just "get a job"?

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Julie, I have to disagree with you. We are the United States of AMERICA, no other country has America in it's title. Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Peru, Argentina, Costa Rica, Panama, etc all are part of the Americas, but not one has America in their name. They each call themselves Canadian, Mexican, Brazilian, etc. I find it odd that you somehow think we are wrong to call ourselves Americans. Canada, Mexico and the US are all North Americans, but just plain American is the US. I also disagree on the God thing, but that's not really relevant to this thread. :-)

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In regards to -->@Julie.. If you want to be PC, then go for it, but I, for one, am not going to accommodate every PC person out there. Either you hear what people have to say the way we say it or you can just shut your ears, IMO. I'm American, but I am also part Irish, Scottish, Scandinavian, English about 1/16th of a drop of Indian (oh I'm sorry, Native American for those PC people) and I am proud to be called an American! Sheesh.. ---> from Christina P.



I don’t want to be PC, but I AM DETAIL-ORIENTED. I prefer to be specific to avoid confusion. Will you have a cow if I say that I am bothered by the fact that we do not have a correct pronoun for God? God is NOT “he”, NOR is God “she”. That is fact (if you believe in God).



Along those lines, I am NOT going to pretend that I am the only “American” there is and assume everyone will know what I am talking about, so get off my back. You can be proud all you want to of the fact that you are an American. You know what? So are Chileans, Mexicans and every other freakin’ citizen on this hemisphere. I am not so arrogant that I think I can tell anyone in the world that I am an American and they will know that I mean I am from the United States.



Unfortunately, “I’m a United Statesian” does not have much of a ring to it, so I usually say I am from the United States. That is NOT so say I am not proud to be “an American” it is to acknowledge that there are more Americans than US citizens.



I am sorry you have not met enough of a variety of people to imagine that not being more specific could cause confusion with people you meet. This is a BIG planet and we are not the most important people who live on it.

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I think the 'lazy' comment was offensive to most. I am unemployed, but not for lack of trying AT ALL. I have 2 kids under 5 and it would cost me MORE to put them in daycare than it would to work!!!!!!!!!! Go figure that.

Americans are rude to other countries(not all)
We are NOSY it's a fact. We always have to be right in there and then mess it up. How long have we been at war now?????? And more importantly what has the outcome been???? Hmmmmmm

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I agree about it not being a health care debate. Maybe we should start a new debate about that :) Not now though - it's late here, and I'm on my way to bed.

And yes, everything is political. In an ideal world, I guess it shouldn't be.

Heck, they are even making red hair and a broad accent political here now......nothing is sacred!!!

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I do agree with you about it being voluntary, that's actually how our system was originally designed, but what do you know these people figured out they can vote themselves money and seem to give themselves raises every five minutes, I wish I could do that.

Christa - posted on 07/10/2010

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I'm not sure what you mean by not political? Everything is political. lol! Anyway I should probably stop since this post wasn't meant to be a healthcare debate. . . . :-P

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