why can't you take religion out of it?

Paula - posted on 05/30/2011

What ever happened to agreeing to disagree? I know what I believe and why I believe it. I don't need everyone else to agree with me to validate it. Intolerance goes both ways. In Christian terms, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Becky - posted on 05/30/2011

Well, if you believe that marriage was originally God's idea, that he created it, and that he intended for marriage to be between a man and a woman, then any other construct of marriage would be outside of God's plan, and therefore, unacceptable.

Teresa - posted on 05/30/2011

Thank you Sara. I will admit that gay marriage doesn't sit right w/ me, but that's one of the many reasons WHY I don't vote. I don't dictate other's beliefs, but I'd never vote against mine. ;)

Good Day! - posted on 05/30/2011

I'll be a dumby and answer. =) I agree with Teresa that all sins are equal. And that the Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin. And and I agree with her that its not up to me to dictate how someone else lives their life. That's why I say I'm not against gay marriage...how is it up to me and my beliefs to dictate how someone else lives? It's not. That would be ridiculous. So I just take them for who they are. Love and accept them, because I'm no better or no worse. And, Jesus didn't come to 'condemn the world' (John 3:17). He is who I follow...so I'm not going to condemn anyone either. And I don't know how else to answer this question. That's all I've got.

Teresa - posted on 05/30/2011

Dumb was in quotes for a reason... I'm not a debator.... I just pretend to be one sometimes so I can be on Debating Mums... ;)

Jenny - posted on 05/30/2011

Come on Teresa, it has nothing to do with intelligence, don't be silly.

If you are secure in your beliefs, as you have said you are, it should be no problem to explain them. Are you unsure of your convictions when confronted with them?

The sin part is what I'm talking about. Many Christians do not believe it is a relative sin in modern times such as the other ones about cutting hair, using pig skin, no mixed fabrics etc. They feel we are born this way and should be accepted as we live and love and form families. They feel this is not sin and they reconcile that with the same bible you reconcile your faith with. What holds you back from making the same conclusions?

Teresa - posted on 05/30/2011

That's fine, but I'm done. You'll have to grill someone else 'dumb' enough to respond. :)

Chatty - posted on 05/30/2011

I'll just let Jenny continue on my behalf! ;)

Teresa - posted on 05/30/2011

I just believe that homosexuality is a sin. I don't believe it is any more or less a sin than many, many other things though, so I don't get why that one belief is being 'attacked'. Many, many of my other beliefs are 'intolerant' as well.... like on premarital sex or abortion. ;) Now, if I were out preaching against it, voting against it, spreading hate, etc..... I could see the intolerance comment, but that's not happening. The ONLY time I even give it a thought as a sin.... is on these boards and these posts bringing it up over and over again. I give a lot more thought to MY sins and how I screw up on a daily basis then I ever give to what anyone else on the planet does....

And I'm thinking by now I never should've attempted to respond to this post. ;)

Jenny - posted on 05/30/2011

Well if your beliefs make up who you are why would you choose the ones that perpetuate intolerance? Is that how you want to represent yourself? There are plenty of Christians who have no problem reconciling acceptance of LBGT people with their beliefs so it's not true that it comes from your religion. It leads me to believe it's just not that important to you so you don't bother. I know you're a kind, loving person so it boggles my mind that you haven't taken that next step like many other Christians have.

Teresa - posted on 05/30/2011

My beliefs MAKE me who I am, so I can't take that out of anything. I don't condone any sin (and yes, I AM a sinner, so don't turn that comment into anything), but I don't vote either.... so my beliefs mean nothing to what a person can or can't do.



I'm not spending any time worrying about what another person can or can't do, but if you ask me my opinion.... I'll either have to give it as I am (which includes my beliefs which come from my religion... though I hate that word cuz it's NOT religion to me... it's relationship) or stay out of it. :)

Rebecca - posted on 05/30/2011

It's preached intolerance.

Amanda - posted on 05/30/2011

I couldnt of said it any better then Jenny!

Tania - posted on 05/30/2011

I agree 100& with what Jenny said.

Jenny - posted on 05/30/2011

Thank you, that's my boy Duece. He's a bit of a ham bone.

Sapphire - posted on 05/30/2011

Um, yeah what Jenny said!

BTW Jenny, I just LOVE your new pic! That pink tongue sticking out! Adorable! What's his/her name?!

Jenny - posted on 05/30/2011

Like I said before, it has nothing to do with religion. They don't approve of people being gay and hide it behind their faith. Faith is a scapegoat for their intolerance. They seem almost indifferent to it too, like "*shrug* my faith doesn't approve, what's a gal to do?"

Of course they can separate it, they separate in many other areas of their lives and make excuses like "well it was a different time, we don't do that anymore." Well guess what, it's a different time and we don't approve of bigots anymore so knock it off. We need to stop allowing religion to take precedence over human rights and start calling them on it.