Why humans are herbivores.

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Are human beings anatomically more similar to natural carnivores or to natural herbivores? Let’s find out….

* Intestinal tract length. Carnivorous animals have intestinal tracts that are 3-6x their body length, while herbivores have intestinal tracts 10-12x their body length. Human beings have the same intestinal tract ratio as herbivores.
* Stomach acidity. Carnivores’ stomachs are 20x more acidic than the stomachs of herbivores. Human stomach acidity matches that of herbivores.
* Saliva. The saliva of carnivores is acidic. The saliva of herbivores is alkaline, which helps pre-digest plant foods. Human saliva is alkaline.
* Shape of intestines. Carnivore bowels are smooth, shaped like a pipe, so meat passes through quickly — they don’t have bumps or pockets. Herbivore bowels are bumpy and pouch-like with lots of pockets, like a windy mountain road, so plant foods pass through slowly for optimal nutrient absorption. Human bowels have the same characteristics as those of herbivores.
* Fiber. Carnivores don’t require fiber to help move food through their short and smooth digestive tracts. Herbivores require dietary fiber to move food through their long and bumpy digestive tracts, to prevent the bowels from becoming clogged with rotting food. Humans have the same requirement as herbivores.
* Cholesterol. Cholesterol is not a problem for a carnivore’s digestive system. A carnivore such as a cat can handle a high-cholesterol diet without negative health consequences. A human cannot. Humans have zero dietary need for cholesterol because our bodies manufacture all we need. Cholesterol is only found in animal foods, never in plant foods. A plant-based diet is by definition cholesterol-free.
* Claws and teeth. Carnivores have claws, sharp front teeth capable of subduing prey, and no flat molars for chewing. Herbivores have no claws or sharp front teeth capable of subduing prey, but they have flat molars for chewing. Humans have the same characteristics as herbivores.
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~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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@ Jodi "You are welcome to your beliefs. I am also entitled to debate them and tell you I don't agree and I think you are full of shit :D"

Gee, why would I take this personnally? Or any of the debate that has been geared towards that exact thought?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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And why do you think I am full of shit? Kind of rude thing to say Jodi.

Charlie - posted on 03/05/2011

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I agree with Krista ( I think ? ) people eat way too much meat but personally I think the inclusion of meat has been of a benifit to the human race evolutionary wise .



I think healthy is healthy reguardless of whether meat is included or not in your diet , my sister in law is a vego and she doesn't apear healthy on the outside nor does my vego cousin who has the RANKEST breath I have ever had to smell but you know what ? there are plenty of meat eaters JUST the same .



I think people have reached the point where meat doesn't hold as much significance to our evolution ( as it is happening ) but we are somewhat reliant on it for certain complex proteins and vitamins , I think vegetarianism has it's merits for other reasons that affect our outside enviroment such as carbon emissions and land degradation from farming , not to mention the questionable treatment of animals to get that meat on our plates having said that I don't mind ethical farming and slaughter of animals for food as long as the animal enjoys quality of life before the kill .

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2011

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You are welcome to your beliefs. I am also entitled to debate them and tell you I don't agree and I think you are full of shit :D

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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Damn...I don't feel like reading through this whole thread again....

Jodi " Aren't you criticising people who choose to eat meat by making it evident you believe they are less healthy, also broadly generalising?"

This is exactly the nit picking I am talking about. So I cannot have my beliefs?

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2011

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No, I don't agree. I don't believe eating meat is HEALTHIER than being a vegetarian, but I do believe that BOTH diets, if balanced correctly, are equally as healthy.

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2011

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"I said healthier lifestyle of being a vegetarain, you are stating that i personnally am healthier than you right now."

That was a general *you* and *I*. Not as in Marina vs. Jodi, but as in vegetarians vs. anyone who eats meat.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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And to reiterate, as a WHOLE (not me vs you or anyone else for that matter) I definately feel the correct vegetarian lifestyle is indeed healthier than eating meat. Do you agree? No.

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2011

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Why do you need to defend YOUR lifestyle choice? I can't see anyone saying you are wrong for being vegetarian. Aren't you criticising people who choose to eat meat by making it evident you believe they are less healthy, also broadly generalising?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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I said healthier lifestyle of being a vegetarain, you are stating that i personnally am healthier than you right now.

Yes I do feel the lifestyle of a vegetarian (when done correctly) is healthier than eating meat. That is my perspective, and all the studying about the vegetarian lifestyle vs meat that I have done in my time has cemented me further in that belief.

I am GETTING myself healthy right now, I had a baby and I went lax in my healthy eating habits.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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I am defending what I believe Jodi. It has gotten to the point of nit picking like I said, and it is annoying me.

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2011

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Quoting Marina, page 13.

"My position on this thread the entire time has been to show the healthier lifestyle of being a vegetarian."



My interpretation (and I am thinking that of others, given the direction of the conversation): My lifestyle is healthier than yours because I am vegetarian.



Maybe you just needed to word that differently. Or maybe you just meant it was healthier for YOU? But yes, you did say it was healthier, and I saw that as a broad generalisation of vegetarianism vs. diet including meat (of ANY amount).

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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I NEVER said I am healthier than you or anyone else. I am actually fighting the battle of the bulge right NOW! For fuck sakes....

I just lost 23 lbs on my wonderful vegetarian healthy lifestyle by cutting out most processed shit. I do not eat meat, I am not anemic, I have low blood pressure, when I am at my normal weight, I am healthy. I feel healthier as a vegetarian Jodi. If you have never been a vegetarian or chosen this lifestyle (or maybe you have for short stints) how would you know if you are more fit?

Yes yes Rebecca...you had major health problems and eating meat for you made you healthier. This was YOUR case...not everyone is the same. Some will be ALOT healthier cutting out all meat, some people will NOT do well. Trial and error. I feel it is worth the shot.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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Don't pass someone elses word off as your own...use the link or use quotations Jenn.

Your words Jenn "Just because you don't see it that way for whatever bizarre reason, doesn't change the fact that it is meat"
I don't see fish as the same as red meat. It may be bizarre to you, but it is MY perspective.

Most of this whole thread has been lashings of closed mindedness Jenn. I have been dealing with all these same arguments most of my LIFE being a vegetarian.

You know what? When people find out that I am a vegetarian, they say one of a few things "oh I need to stop eating red meat. It is so bad for you", or "I cannot live without meat! You are so strong!" or "mmmmm I love a nice bloody steak" An occassional few will sit down and actually find out why you chose this lifestyle. Some people will open up their minds and actually listen and here what is really being said.

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2011

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Marina, it isn't nit picking, it is trying to make a point that it isn't whether one eats meat or not that makes one healthy. It is a combination of factors, of which diet is ONE factor. You stated that you are healthier because you are vegetarian. I am saying you are NOT healthier because you are vegetarian, you are healthier because you are conscious of your health and what you eat. So am I. I just choose to include some meat in my diet. That does not necessarily make me less healthy than you (or any other vegetarian OR vegan, or any other person who chooses not to eat meat), and I believe it is wrong to say that it does.

Jenn - posted on 03/05/2011

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"Everyone is so set on just proving that they are right that they cannot even see past the point of their own noses."

Much like yourself.

Jenn - posted on 03/05/2011

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I'm glad you read it - then you should understand it. How are any of us being closed minded?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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First of all, I am not a Vegan, I am Vegetarian. Kati, I see what you are saying...this is not a debate any longer...this is a nit picking every little thing thread. It annoys me when threads get to this point. Everyone is so set on just proving that they are right that they cannot even see past the point of their own noses.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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Obviously she is not leading a healthy lifestyle Kati. If she added meat, it would probably be worse.

Rosie - posted on 03/05/2011

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marina i don't think people are saying being vegan is bad, i havn't heard that at all. all i keep hearing is meat in moderation, over and over again. i don't know, i don't get why there is an argument over this. the meat eaters are being pretty clear IMO. *shrugs*
my best friend is overweight, largely overweight, and she is a vegetarian. no meat guarantees nothing, IMO.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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You know what pisses me off in this forum? Everyone always acts like they have such opened minds...not so much. Debates like this prove it every time.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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Yes Jenn, it is. I feel differently towards fish. God dammit. I am tired of this "debate". Once again another thread that has run its course with making no ground on closed minded souls.

Jenn - posted on 03/05/2011

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And meat is animal flesh that is used as food - so therefore seafood IS meat. Just because you don't see it that way for whatever bizarre reason, doesn't change the fact that it is meat.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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I really don't view it as the same thing, but it certainly is an animal.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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Amanda is saying it is a no brainer to know how to eat properly.and cook right. i am saying it does.

Jenn - posted on 03/05/2011

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Yes, but you keep saying that it's healthier than meat - but it IS meat. The way you worded it now finally makes sense.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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I am not sure what your point is Laura....I am saying exactly that...it takes time to cook healthy. If you think eating lean chicken is part of a healthy diet...doesn't it take some time to learn to cook it properly?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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I will ALSO reiterate, it is healthier than red meat, poultry, and pork.

Isobel - posted on 03/05/2011

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it would take the same amount of time and energy to learn how to eat a healthy diet that includes meat.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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I do not argue that Jodi....but I will say that alot of the over consumption is meat.

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2011

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Marina, people are obese because they are eating too much processed packaged food AND fast convenience food. It has nothing to do with meat and everything to do with lack of balance. And yes, laziness, lack of time and lack of exercise.

(Disclaimer, this is with the exception of those with medical issues).

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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Jodi, I appologize...I thought you said it, infact it was Amanda...

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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And..then Amanda...why are so many people so obese? Obviously it takes some learning to eat healthy being a vegetarian, meat eater or a vegan. Anything worth doing takes effort and time.

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2011

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"WOW Jodi, talk about a blanket statement. So you know 2 or 3 vewgetarians that don't know how to eat properly. I know so many MORE meat eaters that eat poorly than vegetarians."

WTF has that got to do with what I said?

Amanda - posted on 03/05/2011

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Feeding yourself shouldnt be a challenge, it isnt rocket science! It also shouldnt be difficult, making a healthy meal isnt hard, nor is it difficult.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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Amanda...it takes time to learn to do ANYTHING properly. If it wasn't worth it, doing anything that might be difficult that is...where do you think we would be today without challenges?

Amanda - posted on 03/05/2011

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Eatting shouldnt be hard, if its hard to do it isnt proper. Just saying :0)

Bonnie - posted on 03/05/2011

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I know...I laughed by butt off when I heard that. If she doesn't eat fruits and vegetable, what does she eat then? One of the doctors was like, "well either you gotta suck it up and eat them or blend it into your food." LOL

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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Laura, I agree. It took me years to learn how to have a balanced diet. Most people don't have one to begin with...meat eaters also. Alot of people become vegetarians these days becouse it is a fad. Fine...unfortunately they mostlikely will not be vegetarians in a few years becouse there health will suffer...making them think meat is just the healthier lifestule. When infact, they just were not eating healthily.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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I am only going off of what you told us...you never ever said you were vegetarian...you said you were vegan. I applaud your effort...the vegan lifestyle is wicked hard.

Isobel - posted on 03/05/2011

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when I said that I doubted that the majority of vegetarians were eating healthy, it was based on my own personal experience...and the experiences of a few people I have known that became vegetarians and JUST cut out the meat without figuring out that you have to replace it with something in order to stay healthy.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who were like me and my friends.

Jenny - posted on 03/05/2011

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You're assuming what my diet was before I tried going full vegan. We had good recipies, they just could have used some meat.

Amanda - posted on 03/05/2011

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Oh nice Jenny, Im in southern Ontario, so once winter hits its no fresh veggies or fruits are left. Fall its also hard to find as I'm not a fan of the root veggies, but I will eat squash.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/05/2011

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I know Amanda, I have already covered that. There are also doctors that this Olestra is safe. You can find support from any direction on anything you want to prove you are right about.

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