WTH...ITS A BABY FOR CRYING OUTLOUD O_o

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 05/09/2011 ( 65 moms have responded )

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/photo-tsa-ag...



So is THIS crossing the line, or do you still consider it “Just doin my job”

Has this not gone too far???!!!



(its a photo)



Of TSA agents patting down a baby in a diaper while the mother is holding (what looks to me like a boy)

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Isobel - posted on 05/09/2011

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There was a toddler being used as a drug mule caught recently...and I'm pretty sure that diapers have been used to smuggle lots of things.

sorry, but I get it.

Kate CP - posted on 05/09/2011

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Okay, TSA doesn't check for drugs or contraband. They are checking for dangerous items like weapons or things that can be used to make a bomb.

Now, the idea that this is for our safety is just dumb. People have made it through the TSA check points with LOADED FIREARMS. These heightened security measures are a joke.

Tawny - posted on 05/09/2011

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It is sad that they have to do this but you never know if someone might use there child to bring in contraband or whatever they are looking for. Do I think it is right I dont know I really dont like being patted down and I have been thru that myself patted down and my luggage was searched I just was the lucky one picked out of a bunch of travelers... And yes I was pissed but they have to do there jobs....

Kate CP - posted on 05/11/2011

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You know what, if the pat downs worked it would be different. But they don't work. The only contraband ever found by TSA agents has only been from the traditional metal detectors and x-ray machines. A pat down from TSA agents has NEVER found any contraband. So if the x-ray machines and metal detectors are doing their jobs at finding contraband, why the hell do we need to be felt up??



Edited to add: If I felt I was risking my life by not having my ass felt up then I would willingly let a stranger cop a feel. The fact that I don't WANT them to do this should prove that I don't think pat downs are in any way, shape, or form helpful at preventing a terrorist attack.

Tawny - posted on 05/10/2011

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I just got done watching my local news and this was on it and they explained what happened.... why the child was patted down was because they found that the childs stroller alarmed during explosives screening. So the officers had to follow proper current screening procedures. So that is why the child was patted down.

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K. - posted on 05/11/2011

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You set off alarms, you get checked, you don't set off alarms, leave me the hell alone.

Jane - posted on 05/11/2011

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Considering the mindset of someone who is planning to blow up an airplane full of people and himself, why would he or she draw the line at hiding explosives inside a baby's diaper? Could be that terrorists would hope that we would say "Oh, it's just a baby!" and not look. If you are gonna search all passengers, then search all passengers. After all, what kind of person sees an airliner and thinks "Oooh! What a nice bomb!"



But the TSA might have the common courtesy of changing the diaper while they are messing around back there.

K. - posted on 05/11/2011

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Giving up basic rights and freedoms to thwart some asshole selling dime bags on a street corner? NEGATIVE. TSA needs to go, or at least learn to keep their hands to themselves. My preschooler even knows that one. If I or my children don't set off the metal detector, they have NO right to put their hands on us. I wonder what us Americans will give up next in the name of security? We're turning into a country full of sheep. Just being herded along...

Natalie - posted on 05/11/2011

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I am guessing this TSA thing is American? in the UK we have the x-ray scanners as well as guards/security etc

Morgan - posted on 05/11/2011

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It's crazy, are you serious that you would rather risk your life or you child's life to not have you ass touched? I think it's crazy, even if all the pats downs they did in a year only turned up one gun or one knife that's ok with me!! And I've also never ever been to an airport where no one was watching the screen. The same goes with body scans people don't want to be seen "naked" and some don't want to be touched, they will never keep everyone happy!! And also I don't think they just "cup" the genitals of little kids for fun, I've never had my daughter patted down in Canada or the states and we use LAX frequently.

Kelly - posted on 05/11/2011

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You may be a bit young to know this history.. but durring the Vietnam war children of all ages, and women were used as ..should i say..walking grenades for soldiers. It's called guerrilla warfare. We should learn from the harsh lessons of history and being prepared for such things is something I'm glad our TSA agents are doing to keep us all safe. My daughter flies quite a bit and I'd be highly aggitated, to say the least, if something happened to her because someone thought it a invasion of privacy to be pat down before getting on an aircraft.

Kate CP - posted on 05/11/2011

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What do you mean "WHY do they do it?" because some arsehole executive thought it would some how catch more stuff and keep us safe. Now that it's been implemented it's never going to be dropped because it will look bad to NOT do pat downs. It will LOOK like the TSA doesn't care about our safety. It's all a show. It DOESN'T make flying safer. It's meant to make the masses feel better about getting on a flying tin can with a bunch of strangers who could have God knows what in their bags: security theater.

You think having these people search our bags is an added benefit? So illegal searches without warrants or probable cause is a benefit? Yes, we give up that "right" when we decide we want to fly. But personally I don't like it and I don't have to like it and I won't like it.

Pat downs. Do. Not. Work.

Mommy - posted on 05/11/2011

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Kate, if not for safety purposes, why go through the hassle of pat-downs and extra security measures? And while their focus is not to look for drugs and other contraband, it is an added benefit of them looking. I am having difficulty understanding what benefit the TSA gets from the searches, and why they are looked at as being so negative.

Kate CP - posted on 05/11/2011

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I fly out of DFW airport, one of the largest in the US.



edited to add:

"...The problem with our security is that it is reactive, not proactive. It only minimizes the risk of past actions happening again. Those who wish to do harm will just switch up their style and do something that's not screened for....then we'll add security for that. It's all a bit silly..."



I totally agree with this statement. I also have to point out that the pat downs haven't ever found anything. The x-ray machine and the metal detectors and wands have always found the contraband. The pat downs don't work and are unnecessary.

Amber - posted on 05/11/2011

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Kate, where do you fly from? A large or small airport?
I've always flown out of Chicago and other large airports, and they just pause the conveyor if they need to grab something. There is never a person not looking at the x-ray screen when the conveyor is moving.

Maybe that's just my experience? Or the size/risk of the airport makes a difference? I don't know.

The problem with our security is that it is reactive, not proactive. It only minimizes the risk of past actions happening again. Those who wish to do harm will just switch up their style and do something that's not screened for....then we'll add security for that. It's all a bit silly.

So, I think it might help a little, but only for those who aren't inventive or serious about what they are doing.

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This whole thing just reminded me of a story I have to tell....

My ex and I took my nephew to the airport when he was 8... while we had newborn twins. Since he was flying as an unaccompanied minor there was no way we weren't taking him to his gate and waiting til he boarded the plane. We had the girls in their stroller and they were sleeping. The security guy wanted to check the stroller and we said 'sure, but if they wake up... YOU can keep them til we come back.' He checked it out VERY carefully. lol

Kate CP - posted on 05/11/2011

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And again, the TSA are NOT looking for drugs! It's NOT their job! If they happen to find drugs then they're confiscated and you're handed over to the proper authorities. But it's not their job to look for drugs. So saying they've found drugs makes us safer is a) beside the point and b) stupid. Drugs aren't dangerous unless you take them.

And these screenings don't make me feel safe AT ALL. You know what would make me feel safe? If the TSA did their jobs the first time around and didn't let weapons through the metal detectors or x-ray machines. Have you ever watched a TSA agent "doing their job"? They're off in la-la land: talking to other people, playing with their phones, staring off into space, picking their butts...EVERYTHING but looking at the screen for the x-ray machine. If a LOADED FRICKIN' GUN can get past these people then no, I don't feel safe. And no amount of patting my ass is going to make it any better, either.

Mommy - posted on 05/11/2011

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And in addition to what I just wrote, there are several posts saying that this "does not help keep us safe." If you research it, there are several incidents where pat downs resulted in the discovery of drugs and weapons. While they may not have been planning on taking down the plane, or may not have been weapons of mass destruction, they are nontheless illegal and unsafe to be on the flight. So yeah, it does help.

Mommy - posted on 05/11/2011

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Look, if you don't want to be patted down/go through x-ray mahcines, then DON'T FLY. We want to feel safe, but then we fight against everything that is done to try and keep us safe. Flying is a privelege, not a right. I know it sounds blunt, but if you don't want to deal with teh TSA, take a boat, train, drive, or stay home.

Amber - posted on 05/11/2011

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I'm flying out of Chicago into Orlando in a couple days...I'm going to see how much it's changed.
Last time I flew (Chicago to Denver last August), I wasn't groped or scanned. I walked through a metal detector, had a detector wand thing waved over me, and a general pat down-nothing invasive and no genitals at all. All liquids had to be out of our bags, and all belongings went through x-ray.

Maybe I'll feel it's too invasive after this trip? I don't know. But I didn't find last time invasive at all.

Barb - posted on 05/11/2011

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Did you know that hand lotion sets off the bomb sniffer machine?




Glycerin is a thick liquid that is colorless and sweet tasting. It has a high boiling point and freezes to a paste. Glycerin's most common use is in soap and other beauty products like lotions, though it is also used, in the form of nitroglycerin, to create dynamite.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-glycerin...

Could it have been lotion that set off the machines? or is it more likely that they are getting ready to blow up their baby?

Charlie - posted on 05/11/2011

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I would prefer not to travel , I cant see myself letting TSA touch my childs genitals ...whats next internals for kids ? it really grosses me out and yes so do the few rare people that DO use children as smugglers but it just doesnt sit right with me .

K. - posted on 05/10/2011

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Ok well what about the rest of the children who are being groped by the TSA? Are all of them setting off alarms for explosives? Doubt it. The TSA is sick.

K. - posted on 05/10/2011

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Amen to that Barb! I think the TSA's primary job is to create the illusion of security. These new pat-downs are a violation of our basic constitutional rights. Keep your damn hands off my kids! It's totally inappropriate, and there is a very very fine line between what they do in these airports and molestation. And Jenn, how do you know they're not a rise out of it? I wouldn't be surprised is every closet pedophile is applying for this job. It's gotten out of hand. What's next exactly? Getting to the airport 6 hours early so you can get in line for the cavity search? And don't come at me with "Well if you don't like it don't fly." This is a debate forum, bring something a little better than that to the table.

Barb - posted on 05/10/2011

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Esther, i am interested to hear your observations in the difference in security between flying out of Holland and flying out of the U.S. Like you said, your son already had his shoes off, even though in Holland, that is not a requirement. Other examples like that. Does Holland have a full body scanner or a metal detector? Were people being patted down or were they using bomb and drug sniffing dogs, which have proven much more effective and obviously less invasive.

Kimberly - posted on 05/10/2011

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yes i have heard that there has been reports of drugs being smuggled threw chrildren, who would ever suspect a child. its sad but true

Sarah - posted on 05/10/2011

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Just curious, but does anyone have any proof that these security measures don't make us safer?

Barb - posted on 05/10/2011

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It might feel like there is something wrong because there is actually something wrong with allowing it to happen especially since NONE of these invasive violations of my and my children's rights have done one damn thing to stop a terrorist or make any of us any "safer"

It's busy work and someone is making a lot of money selling these full body scanners to airports. Someone is making alot of money with the TSA.

Jenn - posted on 05/10/2011

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I agree with Esther. To use the terms "fondled" and "groped" adds a feel of something wrong, like you're being sexually molested or something. It's not like they're getting off on it or something, or touching inappropriately.

Lacye - posted on 05/10/2011

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I'm sorry, I understand that it's for protection, but I would not be happy with a person patting down my 2 year old child. that's just going a little bit too far. I understand that some people are horrible enough to use their kids to smuggle drugs but this is still pretty fucking ridiculous.

Esther - posted on 05/10/2011

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Maybe I'm just not very sensitive, but I really don't find being patted down at the airport to be particularly invasive, or in some way in violation of my bodily integrity and I don't see it as fondling or groping either. They are just patting me down. And they were just patting my son down too. It's not like they were squeezing his balls. As I said, I don't think it provides a much greater security, but I don't see the downside either.

Kate CP - posted on 05/10/2011

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"I don't see an issue, if you don't want you child patted down don't fly :)"

Flying is a privilege, not a right, but that doesn't mean I should have to endure having my children groped and fondled so YOU can feel better about traveling. There have been people who have managed to get through the TSA check points with loaded firearms, knives (BIG ones), liquids, and other "contraband" items that SHOULD have been caught. And these people weren't even TRYING to get through...they forgot they had these items on them and when they disembarked they discovered it in their luggage.

These "improved security measures" are a joke and they don't do shit except make people feel horribly violated. If TSA agents just did their damn job and actually looked at the x-ray images of bags then I think we wouldn't need these invasive methods of security that OBVIOUSLY don't work.

Barb - posted on 05/10/2011

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The new, aggressive pat down procedures include touching the genitals of everyone (including children) they are patting down.

That is NOT okay. And if anyone thinks that it is. please, help me understand it.

Morgan - posted on 05/10/2011

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I don't see an issue, if you don't want you child patted down don't fly :)

Esther - posted on 05/10/2011

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When we travelled to Holland back in December my son (2 at the time) was patted down. They asked my permission and I happily gave it to them. It didn't bother me or him. I think he actually thought it was kind of cool that he was treated just like mom & dad were. I think it made him feel like quite the globe trotter. On the return trip when we got to security my son had already taken off his shoes the way we have to in the US even though it wasn't required in Holland. Now do I think it really makes us much safer - no. I think there are far more important things that they could and should do (like check more than a handful of containers coming into the country), but in my view it doesn't hurt either so why not let them pat the babies/toddlers down.

Barb - posted on 05/10/2011

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I might find the excuse "for our safety" plausible IF the TSA has ever stopped one terrorist!

Who stopped the underwear bomber?
Other passengers that didn't want to die.

Their reaction? everyone gets zapped with radiation so we can see what's under your clothes but it still doesn't show what's behind your balls where his incendiary device was.

Who stopped the shoe bomber?
Other passengers that didn't want to die.

Their reaction? we all take our shoes off now and run them through the detector.

I have seen them make mothers/father's change their baby's diapers in front of them.

Just youtube TSA and you will see them strip search in full view of everyone an under 10 year old boy.
You will see a 3 year old screaming "stop touching me"
You will see a 6 year old crying because she thinks she has done something wrong even though mommy is trying to remain cool and say "it's okay honey, it's okay" even after she's learned about good touch/badtouch and stranger danger... She's getting both and mommy is telling her it's going to be okay.

Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither. As far as i'm concerned, the terrorists have won the skies by ripping us of our personal liberty.

What do other countries do? I found out. I hope you do too to see how "free" we are here in America

Sarah - posted on 05/10/2011

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I don't understand what the big deal is. Obviously a baby could be used to smuggle a lot of stuff onto a plane, even though I find that pretty horrible. My husband gets searched almost every time we fly, and we never care or make a big deal about it because we know why it has to be done. I know there are people who say TSA is a joke and doing something for our protection isn't a valid reason, but honestly I completely disagree with that. I feel safer on a plane knowing that everyone on it has been checked.

Referring to this particular picture, I don't see anything wrong with it and I can't for the life of me figure out the big deal. The baby is not naked or in distress, and all three of the adults in the picture (including the mother) look to be smiling. Chill people :)

Amanda - posted on 05/10/2011

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this is a sad thing but happens all to often. I live on a border town and you hear from time to time (ok at least a couple times a month) of how a child is crossing the border to come to school (born in the U.S. they are legal citizins but the parents live in mexico) and they have a couple of pounds of contraband in their backpack.....some parents just use the kids because they are kids it sucks really does but it happens and everyone has to get checked for these reasons....

Jenn - posted on 05/10/2011

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I don't think the Mother looks annoyed, and it doesn't seem like a big deal. I mean, it's not like they're doing a body cavity search or something. As for the conspiracy theories - oh booooooy LMAO!!

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You probably be surprised how many parents put stuff on there babys etc.I was talking to a girl before boarding a plane.She was dressed very cool..punk look.Shaved hair on one side.I was 16 at the time..pretty girl look.With a flower top and jeans.We both got up and walked to the door to board the plane.She was stopped and checked and i was not.As she was being checked i said goodbye to her.Saw her after that and she was clean obviously.So there going by looks to.How did the know i had nothing.Or that i didn't take something off her and put in my bag.All should be checked.For carrying what ever it may be thats illegal.

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"well you automatically believe it NOT true...so whos to say your right but you and maybe a few other people??"

Well, if you talk to someone who knowingly lies 95% of the time, even over simple stuff like 'are you standing up" and they say, "No" while you're next to them, are you that quick to believe them without checking other sources?

History Channel is the same way. They pander to what sells. That's why they play things like 'SECRETS OF FREEMASONRY.'

Charlie - posted on 05/09/2011

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The baby is dressed , well it is wearing a T shirt from what we can see , I dont like they they can check you but I wouldnt put it passed someone to use a child to smuggle .

Amber - posted on 05/09/2011

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Are they just patting him down? Because in the photo he seems to be completely dressed...I can't really tell because of the glare on the window. The photo seems to be taken out of context.

I can't imagine that they could strip search a baby out in the middle of anybody, just like they wouldn't strip search an adult.

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 05/09/2011

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well you automatically believe it NOT true...so whos to say your right but you and maybe a few other people??

I said my side of it and you say yours...thats what this place is all about =D

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"it was on the History channel, and there are many documents about that and other things "

The History Channel also posts about the many sightings of Satan in 7/11s. It's NOT a reliable source of information on pretty much anything these days.

Jocelyn - posted on 05/09/2011

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I totally get it.

Of COURSE the average 20-something mother with her 12 month old son are PRIME suspects for smuggling loaded weapons....

*head desk*

Kate CP - posted on 05/09/2011

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So because it's on the history channel it's automatically true? First of all, the history channel often has programs designed to look at conspiracy theories and break them down into fact or fiction. Second of all, it's well known what yellow fever does to people and has been known for a long time. Thirdly, yellow fever isn't some piddly little disease. It can and has and will kill people.

Bonnie - posted on 05/09/2011

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Whether it's drugs or weapons or bombs, still very wrong and can't believe people would use children that way or any way for that matter.

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 05/09/2011

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im sure if they wanted to kill them off, they have many other options other they weak old Yellow fever

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 05/09/2011

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they wanted to see what affect it would have on the people...not really to kill them off

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