New here and having a free/Unassisted Home birth. Anyone else out there???

Chris-Rachel - posted on 01/13/2009 ( 14 moms have responded )

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Hello.. I am 4weeks off due to have bub.. I usually go late so hopefully will make it to at least the due date as I am waiting for one of my support people to come home from Florida to Here in Australia to be with me for Birth.. I have planned an 'Unassisted' Home birth in the most unfriendly country to do so.. There is no support and no help.. Of course I have close friends around me to help during birth and I have Hired a Doula who is wonderful.. But if I mention even Home birth at a hospital they get even nasty.. Anyhow it has all worked out.. Just wondering if there is anyone out there due in Feb and planing a free birth or home birth.. I would love to know..

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Chris-Rachel - posted on 01/22/2009

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Sorry.. Didn't realize it was for Sharan.. It is of course going to be a higher risk of bub being in jeperdy if bub is not healthy to begin with.. The only problem I have is that I am RH- which means if Bub is a positive blood type I have to have an anti D shot.. But I am working this out with my Doctor to have some anti-D on stand by and my midwife that will come over staight after birth will take some cord blood to find out bubs blood type.. So everything is worked out that way..



Sorry again just really difficult to find support here in Australia and Queensland where I live is even worse..

Louise - posted on 01/22/2009

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no no no,



I did not mean to offend or push my adgenda. My question was for Sharon and it didn't realate to homebirths not being safe. I too am having a home birth and agree 190% that they are safe and wonderful and natural and beautiful. My question is more regarding the difference in Goverment regulations? I am curious why Woman in high risk situations are allowed to have home births? In Canada it is not an option. I am sure Sharon is a wonderful midwife, it is just a purly inquisitive question about the difference between how it is legislated in Austrailia as oppoesed to many other contries, and how it effects her eithor positively or negativly.



I am sorry it came across as unsuportive. I wasn't aware that you were from Austraila in the begining of our convo, and it had just stuck out in my head, after reading that one, (and it was only one, so who knows how accurate it even is) report that they veiwed Austrailia in a different light. I had asked my Husband at the time "hmm, I wonder what makes it different?". I promise no judgments. I was more expecting Sharon to inform me that the study was untrue.



Sorry again,



louise



 



 



 

Chris-Rachel - posted on 01/22/2009

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 Researchers reported high overall perinatal mortality in a study of home birth in Australia,www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7505/14...



louise





This is saying that the high rate of mortality is due to the rate of stupid women trying to have high risk births at home.. I am however not one of these women.. I am possible the lowest risk you could probably have and I am more worried being a low risk pregnancy and pattern of low risk birth about the stupid unnessisary interventions they do at hospital that go askew and you end up Sooo much worse off..



As long as you and your baby are healthy, then babies should be kept out of hospital..



 



And not to be rude but when I have given you syudies and statistics that show low risk births at home the same or lower then hospital ones and you still push your own view then yeah I find it a tad offensive espeacially when I started this thread to try and find some people in common with me that agree that the western world are too cought up with medicalising everything.. Even though pregnancy in the majority is a natural healthy event.. Hospitals are for sick people..

Angel - posted on 01/21/2009

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Aren't you worried that something might go wrong? (I'm not judging, so don't take me wrong. I just wonder)

Louise - posted on 01/21/2009

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Hey,



This is where I got my info from, again, it is not intended to be rude, I am just curious what you think of a study such as this showing higher percentages of women who maybe should not be doing home births having problems in the long run?



Here is the full link:



http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/...



just copy and paste it...



Our results for intrapartum and neonatal mortality are consistent with most other North American studies of intended births out of hospital and studies of low risk hospital birth (37



 



louise

Chris-Rachel - posted on 01/21/2009

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The midwives here are regulated by an association and have alot of safety standards.. Mortality rate from what I have searched is pretty much the same as hospital so I  see it as no more risk then having a baby in Hospital and I say risk in Hospital as they jump to interventions



www.homebirth.net.au/2008/06/homebirth-v...


www.homebirthservices.com.au/safety






And a proper American study.. Australia has really has not done a proper study wich should consist of at least 1000 women to see a realistic outcome..






www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7505/14...



Louise - posted on 01/20/2009

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I have recently heard that only 1/2 a percant of woman in America choose home birth. It is largly related to insurance companies not wanting to get involved. I am in Canada and homebirth with a midwife is fully covered by our national healthcare., but it has taken along time to have mid-wives be accepted as medical professional under O-hip (our provential coverage). Mid-wives may also deliver in the hospital, so it just becomes a choise of where you feel the most comfortable. This is going to be an aweful question, so please do not be offened (Sharon), in the studies I have read they state that the child loss in home births with a mid-wife are pretty high in Australia. Largly because it is not regulated very well??? In Europe and Canada, they are employed by the government and have allot of safety standerds, but I am wondering how it works in Austrailia to make it so different?



 



thanks Louise

Chris-Rachel - posted on 01/20/2009

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Don't worry I am low risk.. Otherwise my midwife friend would not support me so.. I have to register for a birth certificate and sign a stat dec saying when and where that I am who I am and so forth.. And take it to births deaths and marriges..



The thing about problems in birth I have found that most of it is brought on by fear.. If you trust yourself then it will work out.. Bub is fine and I am fine.. My midwife friend jokes with me that it's probably smart that I stay comfy at home as my doughter came in 2hr 50min total.. So by the time I wait for babysitters and get to hospital I quite possibly with have it at the entrance.. And yes I have a crappy hospital only 15mins (wouldn't send a dog there) away and a much nicer one about 20mins away..



I would suggest for you to do some research though on the safety of Home Births and free Births as I have found that it is just as risky as hospital births. With one exception.. At home you have only the bacteria that you have adapted to and not other nasty ones that are in hospitals..



There has been no real studdies done for Australian Homebirths as only 1% of birthing women 'Choose' Homebirths in Australia. However there have been extensive studdies done in europe and USA

Chris-Rachel - posted on 01/20/2009

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Sorry lost my point.. There was another choice for the monitoring that is to do it with a doppler. at intervals.. Which I would have jumped at..

Chris-Rachel - posted on 01/20/2009

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I am in Australia.. Was born here.. I know that Europe encourages home Birth in one shape or another as my Husband's Family are from England.. England at least in parts get offered the choice.. Australia is much like america in it's hospital policies.. USA actually has a higher rate of home births I belive because of sheer price.. It doesn't matter there if you home birth or hospital birth you have to pay the bill (which i am appalled at) but here public hospital is free.. So at least we don't have to worry how we are going to pay the medical costs if pregnant. And I would never 'Do away' with the system.. But I also believe that even if a mother to be does look into Homebirth she is seriously detered by the fact that it will cost around $4000AUS to have bub.. Granted this is much, much better treatment as you get the one midwife for all of your care instead of many.. But it does make the option of homebirth null in void for alot of people.. This is why I have decided to go Unassisted.. I am not nieve about it.. But if I mention even homebirth to the Hospital (Where I am attending for Anti-natal purposes) I am treated with great hostillity.. And that's without mentioning that there will be no midwife.. The System in Australia also usually do a couple home visits after birth from a midwife again without us paying a cent but as I will have a home birth I do not qualify for this service.. So am very grateful to my Midwife friend who has offered to attend me after birth for free..



It's the midwives themselves here that mislead information. (Unlike USA they do usually run the labor wards) I was told that 'they needed' to permenently monitor bub with my second and I had the 'Choice of lying on the bed with the monitor on my belly or if I had a 'Clip' put on bubs head I could get up off the bed and walk around.. So Hubby and I decided to go the clip.. I could not easily walk around and they neglected to inform me that it was not a 'Clip' as imagined it is a spring looking thing that they twist into my not yet born daughters scalp untill it's right through to the bone.. And when I asked if it hurt her (which influenced my decision alot) I was told oh no it doesn't hurt the baby. They Lied.. They also didn't tell me that there was a small chance that it could be contaminated and cause infection in her scalp and in my womb.. Which is what happened.. I had a raging womb infection that wasn't picked up for 3days..

Sharon - posted on 01/20/2009

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Hi!!



Congrats on your pregnancy, and on your decision to birth at home!!!



I have to say, I'm a midwife here in Australia, and while I totally support home birth, I'm a bit anxious about "free" birthing.  Yes, childbirth is a natural process, but things can go wrong.  I don't wish to rain on your parade!  I just want to make sure you have adequate back-up in case of emergency, you know?  It sounds like you do, with your Doula, and midwife friend nearby.  Do you live far from a hospital, should it be necessary to transfer you or bub??  I'm assuming you've been having the usual antenatal appointments, and are considered "low risk"?  The traumatic hospital births you had - are they likely to affect your ability to have a "natural" birth (Caesarean scar, for example)?  Do you have an action plan in place for issues like obstructed labour, excessive blood loss, "stunned" baby, etc?  Sorry - I don't wish to upset you in any way!  Just want to be sure you and bub are safe, and have the awesome birthing experience you're after. 



I'm due on the 25th of Feb, with #2.  Last time, being my first and unsure how I'd cope (and knowing too much "bad" stuff!), I was too chicken to have a home birth.  So I had the next best thing - a birth centre birth (a unit run by midwives, like a home away from home, with a "home birth" style philosophy, but all the medical garb close by (a floor down!) if required).  I surprised myself by giving birth completely drug-free (not even a Panadol!) in the bath!  This time, I'm having the birth centre birth again, with the same midwife.  Partly because I really enjoyed my last birth, and partly because my daughter's too young to be around me when things get cracking, and I don't want to remove her from where she's most comfortable - our home.  I would love to have a home birth though! 



Just curious, but what happens with the paperwork (registering the birth, etc)?  Would you need to go to the hospital after the birth "for a check-up", and to have the birth recorded??



I wish you all the best for a beautiful birthing experience!! 



Shazz.

Louise - posted on 01/18/2009

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it sounds like you have it covered as far as support goes, and if you need her your firend is right across the street. Are you from canada originally?? I only ask because you mentioned this being the most unfriendly home  birth contry in the world, lol. I know in Europe home birth is the way to go if you are having a low risk pregnancy. I don't see what the big deal is. It all just seems too natural to need to be in a hospital. Hopefully Canada will catch up some day. Midwives have only been covered by ohip for a short time in Ontario, but I am sure as it catches on things will start to change. I am also part of another online group @ babycenter.ca and it is funny because the most common posts I read are about doctors not giving womon the attention or information they want and need. It's like birth and pregnancy is some big top secret thing that only the doctors should be aware of, lol. Don't ask too many questions or you might get on their bad side, lol. I have never had to wait for an appointment, and I can take as long as I want. My midwife is amazing, andI feel so comfortable. Have you had to do allot of prep work for the big day???



Take care,



louise



 

Chris-Rachel - posted on 01/18/2009

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It is soo awesome to talk to someone due the same month and doing a homebirth..



I have Had two hospital births both were traumatic in thier own way but the second (which I was already considering homebirth) made me dread going back to hospital.. This is my first home birth..



Unassisted is not having any medical attendents including a Midwife.. I have my Hubby, my best friend (Coming from Florida) and a seragate sister and my Doula.. I do have a fiend that is a practicing midwife. God bless her.. she can not attend as this really is the most unfriendly nation for homebirths but LOL she will be coming to mind my 15month old accross the street at the beach while I give birth then she will come back and she is free to give me post natal care.. How stupid that she can walk right in after and not worry about insurance and being raked over the coals by the law. Yet she can walk in two minutes after placenta comes and not a problem just a post natal visit.. Anyway that is the Differance between a normal homebirth and an unassisted or 'Free Birth' I would love a midwife there just to be on the safe side but what we have is a real blessing..

Louise - posted on 01/17/2009

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Hey there,



I am not sure what you mean by unassisted??? I too am having a home birth. This is my first, it's a boy!!! and I am very excited. We do have a mid-wife though so she will be here with us. My Husband is going to catch. I think it is great. I was sooo nervous about going to the hospital. I really wanted this to be a special moment for my family and I just know it wouldn't be right at a hospital. It took some time but my hubby came around and ever since I have just been too happy. Have you done a home birth before? I know what you mean about mentioning things around this neck of the woods, lol. I told my family doc. that I was choosing a mid-wife and he basically told me my child and probably I would die! when my husband and I left he just looked at me and said,,, did that just happen for real? all I could do was laugh and say, that is why we are choosing a mid-wife.



anyway, w/b soon, you are the first person I have spoken too who is doing this as well.



louise

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