Let's get..political..political...

Tah - posted on 07/04/2011 ( 110 moms have responded )

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Well people..it's getting close to that time...who would you like to see in office??? We know heather likes Obama...

What about you??

Why or why not??

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Barb - posted on 07/14/2011

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And i got to use the word "behoove"!! did you see that?!

Thanks Tah LOL

Tah - posted on 07/14/2011

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I love our google whore...and I never admit emotion outside of family....lol....

Barb - posted on 07/14/2011

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PUL-LEASE (had to toss mine in there)



Dawn darling, let's tackle this one thing at a time. ALL presidents take vacations and ALL presidents are protected by the secret service (govt paid employees) until the day they die. It's a matter of national security, NOT political partisanship. But if we want to get nitpicky about it.. here is a link for you: http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/preside...



According to one count, Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush spent more time on "vacation" during their first year than President Obama did. Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton spent less time on "vacation."



GW Bush served two terms, from 2001 to 2009. The deregulation of the financial markets started with GHW Bush, was continued with Clinton and GW Bush. Clinton also served two terms and GHW Bush carried on Regan's legacy which was largely controlled by the Federal Reserve. That is 24 years of deregulation where laws have been established to privatize profits while socializing debt. That isn't going to be fixed in 3 years even with two years of a democratically controlled senate and congress.



http://www.ehow.com/info_7748733_deregul...



At this point, people making the top 3% of the money in the U.S. only pay approx 17% towards taxes.. while the other 97% of Americans pay 33.5%. Making our economy based on the middle class which is weakening with the fall of labor unions and collective bargaining. The middle class is now considered the working poor.



As far as WMD's in Iraq, name one other source other than Fox that has reported on WMD's. Bush himself even admitted he was wrong about their being WMD's in Iraq but it was a war that needed fighting.



In entering into war with Iraq, Bush badly damaged our foreign relations with other European and middle east nations. And it wasn't just the entering into war, but neglecting human rights that were established by the Geneva convention by holding people in prison indefinitely at Guantanamo Bay and the debauchery that was encouraged at Abu Ghraib by the fricken secretary of defense, Rumsfeld. THAT is why Pres Obama has been doing damage control and having to apologize to the rest of the world for Bush's actions. If you wonder why our main ally in Iraq was Britian, you might want to do some research on BP, Iran and the Oil embargo of the 70's.



It would behoove you do to some research and perhaps back up some of the things you have been told with credible links. And no, Fox news is NOT a credible link. If it is true, it will be at more than one place.



Here is an example as to why Fox is not a credible source (among many reasons)



http://thinkprogress.org/media/2011/07/1...



http://mediamatters.org/blog/20110714002...

Rosie - posted on 07/14/2011

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lmao at obama's vacation. you do realize dawn that bush went on vacations that taxpayers paid for as well, right? you do also realize that 1020 days of bush's presidency were spent on vacation-that's more than john f. kennedy was in office. the only presidents in recent history to have taken LESS time than obama were carter and clinton. wonder how much money those 1020 days cost the taxpayers....PUH-LEASE. gqtm

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 07/14/2011

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PUH-LEASE
(just wanted to throw that out there...being used a lot)

Billie - posted on 07/14/2011

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I haven't even read past the first page and I'm pissed! Obama hasn't been able to fix everything because GEORGE BUSH MESSED THINGS UP SO BAD FOR AMERICANS IT'S GONNA TAKE FOREVER FOR OUR COUNTRY TO BE STRAIGHTENED OUT!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!! I'm not a big political buff, but even I know this. Bush was the worst thing that could have ever happened to us, PERIOD.

And you can't tell me that Obama is the first president to take his time to calm down and relax from the stress of his job. Puh-lease!

Rosie - posted on 07/14/2011

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obama. any other nominee is just fucking loony, or is fucking loony and wants their bullshit christian beliefs shoved down everyone elses throats.

i wish he had more balls, kinda like he showed yesterday when he told them to call him bluff and walked out. should've done that a long time ago, i'd be much happier with him then. every time he tries to do something good republicans turn it into a steaming pile of shit or block it from happening altogether.
anyone who feels that giving tax breaks to corporations instead of actual people needs to take a moment, use their brain and look at history. everytime taxes have been lowered on the richest, income lowered, the state of the economy worsened, and job creation lessened. it blows my mind how anybody can want that, along with the social issues that many republicans favor, there is just no room for a thriving america with a republican in office.

Tah - posted on 07/13/2011

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Puhlease..you keep saying that it goes back at least 16 years..so why only give him 3 years before calling him a failure?...people who never wanted him in office, for whatever reasons, are never gonna be satisfied and and people without patience and who expected a miracle won't either...

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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Welll it's been fun ladies.... I've got family stuff to do now. Have a good night!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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I have not called him anything but Bush in here Dawn.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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Well, to be totally honest, i was to young to know that stuff with Clinton. I know more of the basic on him, and no I did not know that. I thought that all started with Bush 2...cause that is when all the houses skyrocketed....infact I know that because we sold our house in 97, Bush became President in 98, and I think the market boomed like a mother fucker in 00 or 01. We sold our house for 98,000 and 3 years later is was worth 240,000. That is when loans were being passed out like candy.

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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How many names have liberals called GW? Pot meet kettle! Again, respect goes both ways.

Tah - posted on 07/13/2011

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Foxnews is as biased as they come...who listens to them anyway..my husband is military as well..I don't expect him to do what the military does..I expected him to get out of Iraq and go handle business that needed to be handled...and he did. People are unrealistic...puuhleease...fox news...HAHAHA....

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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If GW invested his money in oil good for him. Obama likes to take expensive trips on taxpayer dollars. Do you have any idea how much money is spent when Obama travels for leisure? He went to Hawaii at a cost of 1.3 million. Now Obama has millions of his own money... but who paid for all the man hours, flights, etc... we did!!!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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Dawn, I am not calling the President of the United states names. I have a potty mouth....anyone in this forum will tell you that....hell, go to anyone of the groups I am active in. You can call him a disgrace all you want. It is the play on words with his name that is uncalled for. Like it or not, he is your president.

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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Marina.... the financial crisis began while Clinton was trying to hand out home loans to everyone whether they could afford it or not! Look back a little further. I never said Bush did everything right... not by a long shot... but don't blame this entire thing on him... the blame can be shared by many, including our current President.

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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Be respectful from the person who uses phrases like "f*cked up the a$$??? Pot meet kettle. I don't like Obama as a leader, just like it is your right to be crass it is my right to call Obama a disgrace.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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More money to line his already rich pockets filled with overseas and American oil.

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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Yeah.... he managed to get the healthcare crap forced through... remember Nancy Pelosi pushed it too and said we have to pass it and then we'll read it!!! Her words... his plan.... now we're finding out all the crap that was stuffed inside it! More spending!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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Dawn, he somewhat did the right thing. If he did nothing, it would have been horrible. It is how he went about doing it.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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That was BECAUSE of Bush Dawn. He got us to spend money we did not have. He got us into this financial crisis, now we are trying to dig our way out. That was NOT under Obama initially.

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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Like I said... if Bush had done nothing when we were attacked Americans would have wanted to see him hung in public! He made the right decision!

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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WMD's WERE found.... FoxNews is the ONLY ones that reported it. My husband was on the ground when they were discovered, saw them with his eyes.... they were mobile labs.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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Ok, I have to say one thing. I do not mind debating this topic, but really, be respectful. You may not like him as a President, but calling him Obozo is quite enough.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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Dawn "Our military members make more sacrifices in one day than Obama has in his entire life... so the bullsh*t flag continues to wave boldly!!!"

Aaaannnnnddddd who put them there?

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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Yeah... we found Bin Laden on Obozo's watch because of the ground work Bush laid out. And Marina you never answered my question... how is your life better because Obama is President?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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Because our economy is so fucked up the ass, if he changes them now our government will have NO money at all Dawn.

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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If Bush's taxes were so unacceptable why didn't Obama change them in the last 3 years? He had a democratic Congress for 2 of those years and still kept Bush's plans in place... so I'm boldly waiving the bullsh*t flag on that one. And why is it that the military and the elderly will be without paychecks while Obama and Congress continue to get paid? Why doesn't he take one for the team and say across the board... nobody is getting paid until we fix this? Take one for the team and lead by example. He's pathetic!! Our military members make more sacrifices in one day than Obama has in his entire life... so the bullsh*t flag continues to wave boldly!!!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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Ok Dawn, you are jumping all over the place here...if we are talking about 9/11.....um....well.....that was Bush 2 cleaning up his daddies dirty work. He went for Saddam who had nothing to do with it. I do believe under the Obama administration is when we found Bin Laden thank you very much.

Tah - posted on 07/13/2011

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Right..bush is an innocent hero...we found the weapons of mass destruction and killed Osama on his watch...o wait....

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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Free Trade...that is what I was looking for...yeah way to fuck Americans.

Tah - posted on 07/13/2011

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He hasn't failed...he's still in office and he's still working on it..so let's see.if it goes back 16 years you want to give him 3 years to fix it..puuhhlease....

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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Marina Obama is the one who said he could fix things. His words... he made the promises and the timelines not me!!! And do some more research... the Clinton Administration had a lot to do with the economic downfall. Don't even try to dump all of this on G.W. We got attacked and went to war... that was also a major contributing factor in the debt crisis, but what should G.W. have done after 9/11... ignore it? Sit down with Bin Laden and Sadam and have coffee and try to talk it out? RIGHT... Americans would have wanted his head on a platter if he had not gone after them. Please...

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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Really?!? Bush had nothing to do with our economy? Wasn't it dear old dad Bush that opened up the overseas doing all our labor for cheap? Sorry tired cannot think of the word. That is devastating to our economy. We have lost so many jobs due to that, and are STILL losing jobs because of it.

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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And.... the problems with the economy can be directly linked to Bill Clinton and his everyone deserves the American dream home loan catastrophe! So if we want to blame.... it goes both ways.

Tah - posted on 07/13/2011

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Dawn..he WANTS to stop pay or did he say that if an agreement wasn't made that would be a repercussion of it..people love to play on words when they talk about him...tax cuts for the wealthy..maybe you are wealthy, but I'm not...Bush was...and these are his tax cuts they are wanting to extend...things that make you go hmm....

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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Yup, he wanted the job of President to get this country back on track.....and now he is getting blamed because he cannot fix all the problems Bush caused in one quick presidency term. It drives me nuts, one person fucks everything up, and when you call in someone to fix it....they cannot do it quick enough cause so much is wrong...then they get blamed.

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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But Obama WANTED THE JOB!!! Being the President is a choice and a process... he knew what he was getting himself into when he decided to run for office, he knew the current state of affairs and said HE COULD FIX IT.... well he's FAILED!!!

Tah - posted on 07/13/2011

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You know, I always wonder what it's like to be one person with millions of people wanting you to do it there way and take care of the things that want you to, in their order, when we only get half the story anyway, which people fighting you tooth and nail and every step of the way to keep you on their agenda while you clean up the huge, horrible mess that the last president made..it's easy to judge when it isn't you isn't it???

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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What has he done to improve your life Marina? The economy is worse now even after he promised his stimulus packages would assure unemployment wouldn't go above 8%, he has apologized for us being Americans and has not improved any foreign relations. He's spent more time playing golf and going on vacation and appearing on talk shows than making changes that count. He currently wants to stop pay for military members and elderly (social security) because of the impending debt default while he and his cohorts continue to collect paychecks. He has done nothing to secure our borders and if he had his way would offer amnesty to all illegals to get the votes. I can go on.... he's a disgrace! Oh.... and the blame Bush train has left the station... Obozo has been in office 3 years... this is HIS mess! He needs to own his mistakes and fix them or get out!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/13/2011

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And WHY is he such a disgrace?!? Beings that all he is doing is cleaning up the Republicans mess and does not have time to do anything else?

Dawn - posted on 07/13/2011

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I used to be middle of the road politically until everything went so far to the left. Now, I stand proudly and firmly almost as far to the right as I can go! Our current President is a disgrace. So to answer the question.... someone extremely Conservative!!!

Amanda - posted on 07/06/2011

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I used to follow politics. I don't anymore. It makes me angry. I voted for Obama, and I was so happy when he won. I have to admit to being disappointed though. He had a huge mess to clean up, so I can't blame him for not getting everything done that he campaigned on. However, he has bent over and taken it rough from the GOP one too many times.

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