Parents angry Hooters girl spoke at careers day

Kellie - posted on 11/20/2011 ( 19 moms have responded )

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A Florida school has come under fire after a Hooters waitress spoke to a group of special needs students at an annual careers event.

The Great American Teach-In at Calvin A. Hunsinger School — an institution that teaches students with emotional and behavioural disabilities — brings together a number of speakers who discuss career choices with the students.

But one parent was less than impressed when Hooters waitress Brittany Morgan was called upon to deliver a presentation, the St Petersburg Times reports.

"It's just the wrong message," parent Ashley Dominicci said. "I feel like we're telling them that you're the bad kids, and this is all you'll be in life.

"I'm not knocking waitresses. They're very hard-working. My point is, these kids should have higher goals."

Waitresses at Hooters restaurants in the US are famous for being young, attractive women who wear very little. Their sex appeal is an important part of the company's image.

Dominicci, the mother of a sixth grade student at the school, argued there were countless other options that would have been more appropriate.

"I can think of 10 professional friends off the top of my head that would have volunteered," she said.

The school's principal, Stephanie Bessette, defended the decision in an email to Dominicci.

"Working as a waiter or waitress in order to achieve higher goals should be commended," Bessette wrote.

Morgan told the Times she could sympathise with Dominicci, but was confident her presentation to the students was valuable.

"I'm confident there was nothing wrong with my presentation," she said. "Most of us are going to school. We're aspiring to do other things in life. This isn't our career."

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I kind of find it offensive that people would be offended by this. At least this woman is working and not sponging off the Dole (what we call Social Security Here, I know it works A LOT different in the states). AND she's working toward another goal and studying WHILE she's busting her ass working at a thankless job that people look down on. Might I remind you that you expect to be waited on whilst dining out and if there weren't any waitresses to wait on you it'd be self service?

This Comment in particular annoyed me "It's just the wrong message," parent Ashley Dominicci said. "I feel like we're telling them that you're the bad kids, and this is all you'll be in life." Nice lady, that girl might love her job. We all, from toilet cleaner to whatever you think is the most important job in the world, have a purpose, how about you ram your judgmental opinion up your ass? How about looking at it like this, While you are working toward another goal it is an achievement to also be working and supporting yourself at the same time.

She is just as worthy as your 10 professional friends.

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Tah - posted on 11/21/2011

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Then bring in the former waitress who is now the director of operations at hooters who worked her way up while attending school...

Barb - posted on 11/21/2011

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I have nothing against Hooters girls. I find it an achievement just to stay trim around all that unhealthy food. But even the Hooters girl said this was not a career but a means to an end. You can't make a whole career out of being a Hooters girl because once you reach a certain age you are not longer an image for their company.

I'm sure it is a very good job with nice tips, but career day should be for careers, not just jobs.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/27/2011

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Tah, anyone can learn about placing IV's in certain places and why. I know you are just using that as an example, but I am thinking about phlabotomy. It is not a nursing degree, but I would be just as capable as a nurse, without the RN.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/27/2011

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If she did not wear her Hooters uniform, i have no issue with this at all. It was the fact that she is specifically a Hooters girl that this parent obviously had issues. They got someone with a restaurant job to simply broaden horizons. Lets admit it folks, not all of our children are going to be doctors, lawyers, CEO's, nurses, Dentists, some of them need to know other options are out there. Some of the children have rough lives, and need to make it on their very own. Seeing this girl supporting herself in the service field to make her own way through school is commendable.

Barb - posted on 11/24/2011

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The reason degrees and pieces of paper make a person more hireable is because they limit the liability of the employers. Can you imagine the lawsuit if they let a person with 15 years of medical experience operate on someone? The surgeon may only have his education and a piece of paper but the employer won't be sued if he operates because he was trained and is less of a liability.

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Tah - posted on 11/25/2011

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somethings you can learn from experience, some things i would rather have someone taught. Then they may know the actual reasons behind what they are doing. Healthcare is a perfect example. You can teach any Joe how to start an IV, but i would rather a nurse who went to school and learned about veins and arteries and what happens if this or that occurs and why you don't want to start an IV in certain places start one on me then that regular Joe, it also shows something when you do put that time in to go to school, some endurance, fortitude, ambition respect for what you are doing(in most cases) so it says something about the person i think.

Stifler's - posted on 11/24/2011

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I would be angry too. Being a waitress doesn't make enough money to actually support yourself. been there done that.

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"if you fail a nicotine blood test you won't be hired"



I'm sorry, but to me that is a joke and a form of discrimination. The drugs tests I completely agree with, they impair your judgment something ugly, cigarettes on the other hand do not. I'm an ex smoker. I cant stand the smell of it its disgusting but I don't think smokers should fear being turned down for a job because of it. Just my opinion.



I also get 100% what your saying about employers wanting to see a degree, I don't understand how they feel better about a piece of paper saying someone can do what they are asking instead of knowing, from "seeing" that they can. Ridiculous notion to me.. and many others. I'm 30 I've worked in the health care field literally since I was 15. I have certificates of training and years of experience but no degree, because of that I cant work in the field I want to work in. I just don't get it.



I dont think its right for certain jobs or jobs in general to be be looked down on simply because they are "jobs" either way its earning a living and supporting yourself. But the rest of the world doesn't think the way I do :)



And my husband makes a bit over 20 an hour and is SICK of working where he does, its not a career its a job.

Tah - posted on 11/23/2011

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okay, i go to college right now, and do you know with who?...people who have worked their way up in jobs and are a)about to lose it so they are in school to save it or b) have lost it and didn't have any college behind them so they are not mareketable and trying to gain the education to be that. I have very few fresh out of high school kids in my class. My Abnormal Psych teacher is a retired Naval Officer and he works for the goverment now. He does something along the lines of seeing people with no jobs and determining how much of a chance they will have to obtain gainful employment. He is seeing more and more people with the problems listed above and once you come to him and are 55 years old and have no higher education and goodness forbid you have worked 30 years in a manual labor job and your body is for naught, he said very seldon are those people able to find gainful employment if any employment at all. I also have to say that it depends on what you have gone to school for. some things people just aren't hiring for now. So if you went to school for the history of plants....(my teachers words for vague majors or majors that aren't marketable right now) then you probably won't find employment.

Now noone is saying that being a hooters girl doesn't teach you things, we are saying that it's not a career, it's a stepping stone for some and considered a job. Now If had come in you could have said i started out at hooter and it taught me alot for my career in banking....and i can see that. Yes there are acceptions, some people can work their way up. It is definitely more the exception then the rule right now. If you don't have the education, then people are not hiring you. I have teachers who say that If all you have is a high school diploma then they don't even look at the rest of your application. Right or wrong it's the way it is these days. I would rather prepare my children for reality and that is a college education in most cases will take you farther than not having one, you may work yourself up in a postion but you still want to be marketable.

On a sidenote, i am hearing from some employers that some of the people with college educations are actually turning jobs down because they don't want to work for maybe 18.00 -20.00 an hour with a raise after 90 days because they are wanting to come out and receive 60,000 with benefits etc etc wihich is happening less these days, another reason, alot of them are failing the hair follice test for drugs. My job at the hospital which is a huge healtcare network where we have hosptials, rehabs, nursing home over very many states, VA, NC, Maryland etc have just adopted a policy that if you fail a nicotine blood test you won't be hired, those who already work for us and are smokers are being grandfathered in, but thats another thing that will be stopping people from finding employment(just an FYI)

Kimberly - posted on 11/22/2011

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I was a waitress/bartender for years, it wasnt the most glamours job but the tips were great and I actually learned really great people skills, how to work under pressure without lossing my cool, control a situation, time mangament and money skills, etc. I did this for about 7 years then I was able to move into a job working in one of the biggest bank. I skills that I got to perfect on my customers from waitressing did wonders for my customers at the bank, I had good money skills, great customer service, could work under pressure, etc so at the end of the day yes I might not have had the best 'job' but it gave me a great base to work my way up to better myself. It gave me confidence and a better understanding of people to be able to go for the better jobs.
Everyone has to start somewhere and I think thats the main thing, it might not be your career but if your not going to be your best in a job you might have for six months then how are you going to be your best at a job for 16 years?

Barb - posted on 11/22/2011

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My father in law did the same. He dropped out of highschool and went to work for a grocery store. 5 years later he was the manager of that grocery store and brought home $50,000 + a year. Unfortunately, when he was fired at the age of 55, he was virtually unemployable because he didn't have a highschool education, he didn't have a business degree, he didn't have the paperwork to back up his experience. He eventually got a job delivering potato chips to grocery stores for 6.50 an hr.

One of my dearest friends worked as a teacher at a high school in california. She taught an alternative to PE, a dance class.. all kinds of dance. I am not sure of her education, but i know she doesn't have a certain degree, because they wrote the policy that all teachers would have to have this certain degree within the next year, and those who didn't, would be let go. She was let go and now doesn't have the education to get a similar job. She now teaches at fitness centers on a part time basis.

I could go on with other examples, on a positive one. My husband went to plumbing trade school and was a union plumber, he continued his education to also get confined space certificate, welding certificate, Universal HVAC contractors license, Pump certification, refrigeration license and some other stuff. So that when he was let go from the hospital, he was so marketable he eventually started his own business where he could set his wages at a nice standard of living.

Without an education, without being able to make yourself marketable except through your looks and bmi, you are selling yourself short and not achieving your potential. You are also opening yourself up to be victimized by a corporation because you just have to settle for what they dish out, because you know you can't find a comparable job without some education.

I respect anyone who works hard, and i'm not disrespecting the Hooters girl or anyone who waitresses. I always leave 20% no matter the service, and sometimes more for exceptional service.

And yes, apparently this school did think it was just as important to showcase jobs as well as careers. And i think that is what the parent is upset about. Not so much the hooters girl, but not promoting a education that will make their kids marketable.

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Barb I have to disagree. My mother dropped out of high school her junior year. She for many years worked in a nursing home (her health cant handle it now) and she worked her way up to management/accounting/ residents personal finances etc... she has no high school diploma no kind college education yet she did it. My brother in law went to school for graphic design and that degree does nothing for him. My husband went to college for game design and is currently doing tech support for restaurants. I'm not saying having a good education is a waste of time... in my opinion its a waste of money because I believe education from your first year to your last (whenever that may be) should be free. I'm saying it is very possible to work your way anywhere without a college diploma.
Apparently this school thought it was just as important to showcase jobs as well as careers, they also must have deemed her job acceptable enough to allow her to speak at the school. I would not be upset at all if it were my sons school. I would commend the school for supporting those who support themselves and the person for doing what needs to be done to take care of themselves/family instead of looking down my nose them.

Barb - posted on 11/22/2011

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I would think that career day would be an inspiration, or at least a reality check, that good careers are based on a good education. You need some type of college to become the manager of a restaurant.



There are very few jobs you can just work your way up in the ranks with. Without even a continuing education, you will remain stagnant in your job and will not advance into a career.

Tah - posted on 11/21/2011

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also, Kellie, don't get me wrong, not looking down on anyone or their line of work, but if you are going to throw a career day, the people you bring in should reflect that.

Kellie - posted on 11/21/2011

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Can you not work your way up the chain at Hooters? It definitely could be a career for some women.

Some people live to serve others, not all of us can be doctors/nurses/paramedics, some of us can only do what we can do. People shouldnt be looked down upon because of their job/career.

Tah - posted on 11/21/2011

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exactly Barb, thats a valid point as well. It is career day and so careers need to be showcased no matter the state of the economy

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That woman needs to get off her high horse. Its an honest living no mater what the name. And in the end it could very well be a career, maybe next week she moves up to management? As long as she wasn't wearing the trade mark "Hooters" uniform I don't see what the big deal is. And now -a-days with this economy there are very few people with "careers" anyway. Nothing wrong with just a plain ole' job in my opinion... job people bust their asses harder than some career people from my personal experience.

Tah - posted on 11/20/2011

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well let me say this...i can understand her concern that this may make the children think that it's all they can aspire to. MY question is, are they bringing hooters waitresses to the career day of the regular schools. I can honestly say i have never heard of it. Yes it's good the young woman is working, but i can understand the parent being concerned about the message.

Denikka - posted on 11/20/2011

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I completely agree with you. Honestly, if we're going to start *looking down* on jobs, what about plumbers? They work with literal CRAP most of the time. Or what about sanitation workers (garbage men, people who work at sanitation plants, etc) who deal with people's waste products.
Those used to be the lowest of the low jobs. Seriously, they're gross XP
Being a waitress, even if that IS *all* you aspire to be, is an admirable job. It's thankless, you deal with snippy people all day, you deal with all the shit and abuse that people throw at you, and all for what? I know in the US, wages for servers SUCK. They rely on tips for most of their money. So you have to be sickly sweet, suck up to the most annoying people who bitch at you for things that aren't your fault (wrong order from the kitchen, etc) and HOPE that they throw you a little more than their change.

I think there are a lot more jobs to be ashamed of than being a Hooters waitress. What about the CEO who stepped on everyone on their way up the corporal ladder? Or the scumbag lawyer who gets murders and rapists a slap on the wrist?

I figure, if you're working at ANY legal job, it's better than where a lot of other people are right now.

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