Toddler and Tiaras

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/06/2011

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NOW I am locking the thread. Thank you for giving me one more reason.



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~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/06/2011

Voctorya, you are also adding to the back and forth, so if you want to lead by example...by all means...lead the way. If I see bickering continue, this thread will be locked.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/06/2011

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Keep it nice ladies, I don't want to have to shut this thread down.

Victorya - posted on 11/06/2011

@Stephanie Sunshine Super Star Even if she is the worst person alive. Does the back and fourth really do anything? No, it just takes up space. There is zero need for it. The fact that you feel the need to keep it going is quite sad. That's all I really have to say about it. I am not going to go back and forth about it.

Stephanie - posted on 11/06/2011

Victorya Zwerk - Thanks for your concern but I have nothing to feel bad about. This isn't about her being an unmarried teen mother. It has to do with her telling different stories to suit her needs. One day she's a teen unmarried mom who's broke with a bad man, then she has 2 BA's from U of Texas and is loaded and now today she's a make-up artist. See a pattern yet?
Not to mention that she sends pm's when you say something she doesnt like and tells you she hopes your children die, get ran over by a bus and that she hopes you get raped and murdered. She even said she was flying to Seattle to kick my ass.....until I reminded her that the airlines dont accept food stamps. ♥

Stephanie - posted on 11/06/2011

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Omg...I need a moment to compose myself after that. Oh yes Maria, love you baby. And I love how you just make it up as you go along and can't keep your stories straight. yes, you did tell us that you were a teen mom and unmarried. Yes, you did say you had 2 bachelors degrees. I'm sure there's a long wait in the welfare line, must have had plenty of time for your studies, no? FYI...taking sharpies to your face does not qualify as being a make-up artist darlin'.

Oh did you want to message me again? What will you say this time, you jewel of a classy lady. Will you tell me again how you hope my children are ran over by a bus and killed or that you hope i get raped and murdered???

Not sure why you come here. Do you realize that you are THE joke of this place? When you join a group everyone literally says 'Oooh no, Maria found our group'. I am not kidding. It looks like you would want to go somewhere where you actually have friends....if any place like that exists.

Victorya - posted on 11/06/2011

Cosmetology is the study and application of beauty treatment. Branches of specialty including hairstyling, skin care, cosmetics, manicures/pedicures, and electrolysis. Makeup artist is a job you can get from getting a certificate or degree in cosmetology.

Stifler's - posted on 11/06/2011

And I agree make up is pretty bad for your skin I wouldn't put foundation on my little girl who has perfect skin anyway.

Stifler's - posted on 11/06/2011

I think there is a difference between cosmetology and being a make up artist.

Victorya - posted on 11/06/2011

@Stephanie Sunshine Super Star I find it very sad that you feel so bad about yourself that you have to attack someone else about their life decisions. Sense when does being unmarried or a teen mother make you a bad person?

Victorya - posted on 11/06/2011

@Jaime Young My friend went to school for cosmetology and she had to take chemistry classes. There is much more to it than just throwing goop on people faces.

Victorya - posted on 11/06/2011

I think beauty pageants are OK. IF they are natural and little girls and boys are aloud to be little girls and boys! Toddlers wearing make-up! Hell NO! Talk about ruining their skin! Not to mention the outfits!

Jaime - posted on 11/06/2011

just curious...my friend went to cosmetology school. we didn't talk too much about what she was taught, just that she wasn't able to find much work. but i was just wondering if it was part of the curriculum to learn the contents of the make-up, etc., to be applied to someone's face. i mean, some people are allergic to the ingredients (red 40 is mostly in food, i think, but has become a big deal) but if they still want to be all done up, shouldn't the stylist be aware of alternative methods? i would think, though, that most people would just forgo make-up altogether, but if you really wanted to be in a pageant or something i suppose you could tough it out...

that's another thing, these moms who plaster their babies' faces with goop, they don't have any clue if their child will have an allergic reaction to the stuff. and if the poor kid did, i don't even want to think about how hard it would be to get them to an emergency room quickly, especially if it obstructs their airway. besides, would these moms even notice? i wonder...

i have a friend who has been allergic to anything and everything before, breaks out in hives every once in a while if he tries something new. so i'm sure it happens to other people as well. thus i brought it up.

Vicki - posted on 11/06/2011

oh emma and that dry humour. you know how I do love it. maria is something bothering you abot this 'debate'? oh and funny timing. jsut read an article on all the crap we put on our children's faces for halloween. that halloween make-up, not regular stuff (although we all know I figure that the majority of shit out there is so full of parabens and dyes and stuff we shouldn't be putting on ou faces (although I do) nevermind our children's. there was some seriously scary shit in the halloween make-up. no pun intended.

Stifler's - posted on 11/06/2011

Well this has been a nice chat...

Maria - posted on 11/05/2011

Whoa someone is obviously still obsessed with me :D How long has it been? I mean thats just great!



I dont think having a baby at 20 makes me a teen mom but whatever makes you feel better about yourself. If you would like to get an update on my life then go ahead and message me, I know how much you enjoyed our little chats last time baby girl :)



@AMY: No I didnt give anything up to do cosmetology. Its always been something Ive wanted to do and Ive always been talented at it. I love halloween, had so much fun with different crazy looks. Ive never seen the pantyhose and scales tutorial I gotta check that out! If you wanna see my work go ahead and add me at : Maria TopNotch Hernandez

( on fb)

Amy - posted on 11/04/2011

did you give something up to do cosmetology maria? [sorry, don't really know you or anything about you]

Did you do fun stuff at halloween? saw a tutorial on making "scales" with fishnet pantyhose. we played dress up and totally tried it.

Stephanie - posted on 11/04/2011

I'm with you Vicki, I am not surprised in the least. So Maria, you're a make-up artist now? How wonderful! What happened to those 2 college degrees you earned? You had to have worked so hard for them since you were a teen mom and unmarried, it's a shame to not utilize them hun. ; )

Amy - posted on 11/04/2011

*standing up and clapping* yay jaime!

Jaime - posted on 11/04/2011

i don't understand why anyone would want to put make-up on already beautiful little baby girls. it's bad for their skin, why on earth would you want to increase the risk for bad acne when she gets into her teen years? yeah, sure, turn her self-esteem into shit now while she's little because she's in these stupid pageants and isn't winning every single first-place prize (because i really doubt the moms are in it to NOT win it and that idea usually trickles down to the stressed out kids) so that when she's older and those hormones start to kick in and her body changes, boom, she gets thrown into depression and believe me, that is not fun.

i was never in any pageants but i know plenty about the woes of lacking self-esteem. and if i have anything to do with it, my daughter will not have to worry about that, especially not before she's a teen.

Vicki - posted on 11/04/2011

yup. teresa that is. maria why am I not surprised. hey are you related to my friend stephanie hernandez :) ok mods. bad me. but its been so ong since I've ben here. a girls gotta have a lil fun right? minus the tiaras and fake tan and gobs of make-up of course. mind you...I'm not a toddler so I guess I do deserve the tiara.

Teresa - posted on 11/03/2011

Wast of time and teaches kids that outward appearance is more important than inward character.

Amy - posted on 11/03/2011

there is a big difference between playing makeup/dress up and parading your child around. My daughter is getting a little makeup kit for her birthday - doesn't mean she's allowed to be out in public with it. fake tans..well, i don't know. I guess some things are for fun, but I don't want to encourage vanity to that point. especially at such a young age.my daughter puts on lip gloss and goes "am i beautiful, mommy?" I tell her she always was beautiful, now she's just sparkly.

what is the goal of a pageant anyway? seems like most don't have scholarships. it's just be better than everyone else and materialism.....win that money because money is everything - even worth giving up morality. and...costs tens of thousands to compete. that could feed how many starving families? it just saddens me.

Maria - posted on 11/03/2011

Love Toddlers and Tiaras! I think some of the moms are frickin crazy, and i ffeel bad for the girls that you can tell really arent into it. I am definitely gonna let my daughter do pageants, well im interested in trying it out. And yea im down for the make up , hair , fake tan at the appropriate age etc. but im a make up artist and a hairdresser so i would be doing everything myself. If ever she expressed or i could obviously see that she didnt want to do it anymore then we would be done.Its supposed to be a fun experience, thats all :)

Vicki - posted on 10/26/2011

amy I think you pretty much summed that up perfectly. dance as well is also about creativty and self-expression, not sexualization, which these pageants clearly are not.

Amy - posted on 10/26/2011

And maybe that's what's more sad is that people are so desperate for "entertainment" that they watch this shit. Open a book for entertainment.

Also part of the problem is...are they harming their kids? Some would argue that energy drinks for a three year old will kill their adrenal glands. That slim to no sleep for the sake of a beauty pageant isn't good for their health. That chemicals in the tons of makeup applied constantly and breathing in more hairspray than a teen from the eighties....I think the whole arguement is...it really is harming hteir kids. And emotionally too for the ones who are screaming at parents that they are tired or don't want to be doing it and parents make them.

Jenny - posted on 10/25/2011

Yes, but its these crazy mums and contraversial shows that make "entertaining" T.V.

It totally doesn't bother me. Not the way I choose to live my life, they can do whatever they like with theirs and their kids, providing its not harming anyone else.

Kelina - posted on 10/25/2011

I think there's a major difference between dance and pagents. DAnce teaches discipline and hard work. But it's also about a story. Now i realize that some dance moms are the same way, but i don't think that the moms in toddlers and tiaras are really thinking about whether or not their child wants to do this-if they were, i don't think the show would exist! Girls in dance often want to be there. It's not about looking sexy like th show. I've only ever seen the comercials and I'll never watch it. Little girls should be allowed to be little girls and only do that if they want to and it's ok and healthy for them. That show is not.

Tah - posted on 10/25/2011

umm yes..i think the name of the game is different when its dance. Trust me my husbans didn't care for my daughters leotard so we covered up until we got to the studio and then on the way home..but it wasn't accompained by big hair and oooogoooobs of make-up. Now i watch dance moms and i think that their actions are reprehensible in front of their girls..but thats another subject all together. Now, with toddler and tiara, ill tell you what my biggest issues are...moms forcing their obviously tired and uncooperative kids into it and threatening them with and then berating them when they don't feel they did good enough..I do think the hair and make-up is to much, but when you dress your 5 year old up in the EXACT outfit julia roberts had on in pretty woman, you know when she was a hooker..the little dress, with the sides out..and that wig...then it's gone way to far..WAAAYYY..and if you don't understand why thats too far..well thats worse.

Jenny - posted on 10/25/2011

Is it too sexually suggestive? No.

Would you allow your children to wear tons of makeup, big hair and very little clothing? If I was into beauty pageants then maybe yes. I would go a more conservative route via the swim suit though. Little two piece bikinis on little girls does bother me.

Is it just a bunch of Moms trying to live their dreams by using their daughters? Maybe in some cases. In other cases I think its just what they are into at this point in their life.

I really don't see what's so contraversial about the whole thing. I've seen little 5 year old girls dress up just as bad in ballerina dancing costumes. What do people think about that? Ballerina leotards for little girls? Any objection? If its okay in that circumstance because its the name of the game dance, well I think the same rule of thumb applies for beauty pageants. Its just the name of the game. I don't know anyone in my life that has ever entered their kids into beauty pageants, I think it requires a specific type of person with that taste.

Vicki - posted on 10/17/2011

screw beauty pageants all together. valuing a person for beauty. well...I am actually valued for my absolute beauty but man what a drag some days. so I can't add...I'm very very smart. and a Phd to boot (ok lying, so so looking and a make believe Phd) but still think all beauty pageants are bs. great prizes or not.

Donna - posted on 10/17/2011

I dont really watch the show but i have seen commercials, and bits and pieces. I have no interest in it, nor do i like beauty pageants. I'm sure for a lot of those girls its just fun, but then there are parents that are just way to hard on their kids, and that is what i do not agree with

Vicki - posted on 09/25/2011

yup tah that mntn dew was my first and last I've seen. PSYCHO moms and seriously some of the shit really makes me wonder why CAS isn't called! abuse. right there for all to see. I think it was a 2 yr old that was up til 1 am and up after 5 hrs and while having her hair and makeup was falling asleep. dad got a power drink wth cola and apple juice and gave it to her in a baby bottle to wake her up! poor kid. but that one psycho mom took the cake. the one that said she and her daughter are like the exact same person and when her daughter is on stage its like she's up there. duh. no wonder your daugther uses an alter ego when she does pageants. no joke the kid switches from being carly to a personae named darla. big therapy for that poor kids future.

Amy - posted on 09/25/2011

oh - and it teaches little girls to be self centered, egotistical little snots from what i've heard. How does that benefit the child again? i just think it's insane. i'd love to hear from a mother who does it and find out why on earth you'd put a kid through that.

Amy - posted on 09/25/2011

sexually suggestive - yes.
allow mine? no. halloween or dress up at home - have fun, be creative, but kids are not toys for display. little clothing....my son can run around naked in the house, but not for show.

i think it's moms trying to gain attention for themselves. why don't they have pageants that have kids in shirley temple outfits or little house on the prairie dress up outfits? nope. sexual outfits. i don't think it's for the kids either. what does one gain? I mean, why do it? I've never watched a show, but heard all about it. Do they get scholarships or anything? I mean, women spend thousands of dollars on it don't they? why not just put it towards their education?

Barb - posted on 09/25/2011

Yes it is sexually suggestive and like Tasha said, sets girls up to never be good enough, hurts their esteem and probably sets them up for abusive relationships in the future because they are used to being told it's their fault they aren't good enough.

In my book it is abusive what they are doing to these children, and i bet 95% of the kids would not mind if they never did pageants again.

September - posted on 09/23/2011

YES, HELL NO and YES! I hate that show and all the parents that agree with this type of thing! Sickening!

Stifler's - posted on 09/22/2011

Definitely vicarious living. I think it's sad to be honest. Pageants should be girl older women who can make their own mature based decisions.

Tasha - posted on 09/22/2011

I just think its setting your girls up to never be good enough. So many times you hear them tell the girls they arent right, they need to do this and do that and walk better, be tanner...soon when they are teens it will be your to fat, you need to diet, to work out. I dont like it. My girls are little for such a short time and if they wanted to do true modeling then ok but thats nothing but show. No offense to anyone who is over weight or not that pretty (myself included) but have you ever noticed the Moms are ugly and overweight and I think just plain ole not happy with themselves!

Tah - posted on 09/22/2011

i do think it is primarily for the parents, a good amount of those children have no clue what is going on. I think some of the costuming is very sexually suggestive. take for instance the 2 most recent moms..One who put huge fake tatas on her daughter to portray dolly pardon and the other who had her daughter in the hooker outfit that julia roberts wore in pretty woman, exact replica. that to me is sick. I would not allow my child to wear tons of make-up i don't even think grown ups look good in tons of make-up. I think the pagentry and the desire to win crosses the ine with lots of these parents to the point where they mentally and emotionally abuse their children and set them up for needing counseling in the future. for instance i was watching one last night and when the mom got upset with her 4 year old for not being high energy she threatened to buy the girl a mountain dew and make her drink it and the little girl was crying.."no mommy i dont need it, please"...i hope her future husband drinks pepsi because i can see her home being a no dew zone..smh