Obama a Muslim?

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 08/15/2011

Oh God not this again? So Obama is a Muslim again?!

Here's the thing, if Obama does go to pray with another religious group he has to respect their veiws and teachings and so if he prays with Muslims he does have to take his shoes off. That doesn't make him Muslim.

I take off my shoes in people's homes including my own. I'm Irish American and it's an Asian tradition, does that make me Asian now?

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 08/09/2011

Look, I agree. They shouldn't be given tax breaks to stay here. But the matter of the fact is........ we have businesses going overseas. How are we going to get them back? How to solve this then? That's all I'm saying. If giving them tax breaks is not the answer in your mind, what is? Higher import fees, so they have more of an incentive to stay? This is an issue and I'm just saying it does need a solution.

Like my boyfriend said the other day - corperations aren't inherently evil.. we just let them get away with way waaaaaaaaaaay too much. We need WAY more regulation on them. When the peanut butter was last contaminated, I learned that there aren't NEARLY enough people to monitor the factories for health violations and monitor the regulations to make sure corperations follow the law. I watched a documentary that was really informing on this matter. Said they are just very understaffed in this area, which is dangerous, because businesses aren't being checked often enough. The numbers were shocking - sometimes once in YEARS being checked. Horrid! Unacceptable!

I get pissy too about 'non-issues' but I just wanted to know where this had even come from. Never in our history, I think, have so many people believed so strongly that a president is hiding his religious beliefs. It's just interesting. There has to be some reasons people are saying this, whether they are true or false. Whether they are far fetched or not, I just wanted to talk about it :)

I'm an Athiest Dyan. What I don't understand is why hide your beliefs? If anyone wanted to call me illogical incorrect names and blame me for stuff I haven't done, said, believe.. you know.. I would 1. Still hold onto my beliefs. 2. Still be proud of my beliefs. I guess because I don't feel bad when people call me names and don't agree with me.. because people will always disagree and it's just part of our nature, I realize that they just aren't able to agree to disagree. They are the ones flawed when they are being too judgemental. They cannot discuss, so they name call. It's a huge fault in them. Not me. I don't think hiding our opinions helps anyone in any way. There are better ways to deal with our disagreements. But how many of us are truly able to sit down and give eachother half a consideration when we start to disagree? How many of us are plagued so heavily by our own lives, problems, insecurities, that they tend to overwhelm us and cause us to react in ways we may not if we took a second to step back, respect eachother a tad more and actually... talk -gasp- :)

We really need to work on human interaction. Its a dying necessity that is ruining us. Tearing us apart. We're too distant from eachother. It's really sad and causes lots of problems - like not even trying to understand others.

I like the point you made, Jennifer, when you said there are as many Christians in your country, yet it seems to be American Christians that are more nutty. See, not all of them are bad. It's a huge problem. It's not just Christians. It's other social groups too, like minorities. We have so many different groups of people (Right, Left, Tea Party, La Raza) they are just losing their minds, it seems. They are more focused on being against eachother, instead of working towards eachother. More focused on helping themselves, versus helping eachother. The issues with the economy, public schools, health care - THEY AFFECT EVERYONE. So what is with these angry groups, fighting eachother? We need to come together and truly discuss these issues. Have groups more like Health Care Reform Group... the way our society is somehow being pitted against eachother by all these seperatists groups is NOT helping. It causes problems. Hate. Anger. Fear. It's endless and it's not good. Does Canada have so many groups that hate eachother? I don't know, I haven't looked. There's just so much selfishness here. Hate. No one seems to care about the good for the whole. The bigger issues like global corperations and the affect they have on the entire world. We're too caught up in our daily lives. It's bad.

That is hard Dyan. It's hard to deal with such stubborn opinions from complete strangers, let alone family.

Rosie - posted on 08/09/2011

love the sinner not the sin!!!! gah.

Carolee - posted on 08/09/2011

What gets me is that they preach "acceptance" all the time.

Rosie - posted on 08/09/2011

lol, my family is all mennonite or amish. i have 2 uncles who are pastors, many cousins who are missionaries. my husbands family is all pretty religious, just not overly so like mine. however they are all republicans, and one of them is even on some city board-like a council man of some sort. i'm surrounded by hate, and if not hate, then just plain passive pity.

Carolee - posted on 08/09/2011

Yeah... my MIL and SIL are devout Catholics, and my father and his wife are SDA Pastors.

Jenni - posted on 08/09/2011

Yikes Dyan. That must be tough having such opposing views in your family.



My mom believes in christianity but she isn't devout or anything. She never said 'boo' about me being a practicing wiccan as a teen or being an athiest now. She's very left-wing and liberal however. Although not too knowledgeable about politics. But she votes NDP (which is hardcore left wing). All three of us (my siblings and I) are bisexual, and she has no issues with it.



My husband's parents are conservative but are athiests. :) But they are very old fashioned. They wouldn't be rude to me or anything if I admitted my sexuality. But i'd probably be a little uncomfortable around them. I assume by the odd jokes my FIL makes about being gay that he is a little bit of a bigot. Although I couldn't see him judging me as a person because of it.

Rosie - posted on 08/09/2011

i'm actually afraid of how my family would convince me to try to convert back to christianity more than i am that they would disown me or want to hate me. my family is wonderful that way. i'm just not ready for the disapointment caused by only their belief that i will go to hell. like i'm not living up to the expectations of their world, which i would have to argue their beliefs with them, and i don't want to do that. they believe what they want,and i let them, why can't i?



i'm more afraid of my bisexuality being an issue that my dad would have an issue with. i am a huge daddy's girl. he's not even christian, btw. the only one in my family who isn't. he just despises anything different than him. black people, homosexuals, muslims, democrats...i don't know how many times i've had to hear his stories about how the homo came into his house and he didn't know he was a homo until later, and how skeeved out he was that he had a "homo" in his house. or how "porch monkeys" are the cause of all the ill's in this world. i mentioned the other day how i saw a video of police entering a home to serve a search warrant. it shows the guy with a golf club in his hands, the cops immediately shooting him dead, and THEN saying drop your weapon. i go on to say how horrible that was, my dad goes "well, only if he was a certain color". he's very close minded, very ridiculous with his hate, and yes he's a republican, tuned into fox news every night.

Jenni - posted on 08/09/2011

I'm surprised I didn't see "Bring back the Spanish Inquisition!!!"
or "Let's have a good ol' fashioned backyard heretic barb-E-que!"
Ugh... scary thing is, I've experienced similar threats and persecution online.

America seems to be FULL of religious nut jobs. I haven't experienced anything like that in my country and I believe we have just as many Christians here.

Carolee - posted on 08/09/2011

What was said on the second site you posted, Dyan, is exactly why I hide my religion from even my own family.

Rosie - posted on 08/09/2011

i actually agree with you nicole. except i don't feel that propaganda about obama being a muslim makes any of this better. all that it does is distract from the issues you've just stated. people in america buy into this shit, and of course make him out to be some terrorist, or call him the antichrist, making it so they don't trust anything he does or tries to do. it's bullshit. and i really wish it would stop so we could go on to the other issues.

as for christians and non christians. i as a non christian hae been blamed for all the ills of society. i'm lumped into a group of people who are the most despised and distrusted people in america,http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/03/24/at... simply because of my lack of faith in ANY god. these types of remarks are why i feel i have to hide who i am in public, and around my family. anything that an atheist or non christian would bring to office would be seen as something that needed to be stopped. http://unitedatheistfront.com/FoxAndFrie...

Jenni - posted on 08/09/2011

Big businesses can afford the taxes. It drives me batty that they have convinced us that we should give up some of our basic needs and basic luxuries so they can have inflated profit margins. That *we're* the problem, not them. *We* are forcing them to move overseas.
Should we not be entitled to decent pay and a few benefits? Are we not deserving?
Or should we work dirt cheap at just enough pay to barely survive with no health benefits?
They're greedy. Plain and simple. They move overseas to 2nd world countries because people are so desperate for jobs they'll take whatever scraps the company is willing to spread on the floor.
Sorry, I'm not willing to teabag big corporations while they're still moving jobs overseas because people in 2nd and 3rd world countries are willing to provide a rim job as well.

I totally agree with you that corporations need more laws and regulations. As well as stiffer penalities for breaking laws of health and safety.
Nicole, I strongly urge you to watch the docu "Corporations" it will terrify the pants off you. Talk about *real* terror. It puts terrorists' attacks to shame. The real 'terrorists' and the ones doing the most damage to humanity and our Earth are corporations. They a freakin' evil, soul-less and the most powerful entities on our planet. They are above the law with lobbyists and politicians in their backpockets pushing their agendas to increase profit margins.

If it will cut costs on production, regardless of how many people it kills, how much it destroys the environment. They can poison us, rape us of our jobs and manipulate us.

Do you know how many millions of people are being killed and deformed by the corporations setting up shop in 2nd and 3rd world countries? They don't have as many laws as we do to protect them from it. Another good watch is any docu on bottled water. I suggest 'Flow: For the Love of Water'.

anyways... I'm ranting and raving. lol

but yeah... when politicians get people to focus on 'whether or not Obama is a secret Muslim?" They tend to not focus on the 'real' issues and then they can do whatever they please in parliament. Including not address the serious, real issues we as a society are facing. I think that's why I get pretty irrate when I hear people putting so much emphasis on non-issues. Like a person's religious background.

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 08/09/2011

I agree, to a point. The Right is corrrupt in the aspect that they do cater too much to big businesses. We don't need jobs shipped over seas. We don't need more loopholes for them to scoot through. There are a plathora of issues. But I don't believe in this sort of behavior. I think we need more laws to regulate big businesses to bring them back in check, and then lessen some of the burdon laws we've put on them that have forced them to do things like go out of the country. They went for a reason - we need to give them incentives to come back. Rules and regulations for safety, sure. But we tax them to death and control them too much in other ways that only harm ourselves as we are now seeing. I also believe that if we had jobs here, we wouldn't need to help people. There may always be some we need to help, but if we helped those who could help themselves....... by fixing the economy so better jobs are more readily available.... less people would need help. We can't help everyone. So it's a very delicate balance that has gotten thrown way off. I'm not Right. I voted Independent last election because both parties are full of BS, lies and I think do not enough good anymore. We really need a huuuuuge change in America. Obama is not that change. Who knows who is. I don't know if anyone during the next election can really do good. We have SO many issues now! 80% of the schools here are failing. What is this next generation supposed to do with themselves? What jobs can they get? What jobs are available for them to get? How likely are they to succeed if they did go to college, since they couldn't even graduate high school properly? It's a big big issue. We have so many issues and it's just getting out of control, period. People getting sentenced to jail for growing a garden in their front yard? The FDA passing pesticides that haven't been tested for human consumption, now used on our foods. Cut open an apple and a study found traces of more than like 9 or 11 pesticides in that ONE apple. How is this really healthy? How will this affect us? Toxic playmats.. because the US doesn't have formaldehyde regulations on foam/plastic products. Where does it end? Who cares? Who is going to fix it? When? How many people really care? What do they really care about? We're in a dire situation right now, I feel. We've had problems before. Sure. But we have huge detremental issues that affect way too much of our entire culture right now. It's definiatly an interesting time to follow politics. But scary at the same time because who knows when or if the schools will be fixed. How they will be fixed. It's just really a lot to consider and think about.

Jenni - posted on 08/09/2011

Nichole, all politicans suck arse and have agendas. To me, the right is notoriously full of lies and fear-mongering. The left is simply the lesser of two evils (IMO of course).



You always have to read inbetween the lines with politics and figure out who is gaining from the information being spread. Whoever has to the most to gain is usually behind the information/rumours/lies being spread and then you can establish *what* exactly they gain from it. Come election time... it's usually votes.



You have to take what's said in politics with a grain of salt and figure out what the *true* agenda is. Sad we have to do so much sleuthing to get to the actual truth.



Education on world history, politics, society, psychology, science and non-bias resources (I would strongly suggest reading and watching worldwide news) helps.



I have little faith that the powers that be have *my* best interest at heart. They are all motivated by $$$. So with that mind, I just ask who has the most to gain ($$$ and power) from this information.



The problems I have with the right is that they (much more than the left) have big business in mind when making their decisions. Not the people. That's why their agenda consists of downplaying or disproving environmental issues, taking away human rights and giving those rights to large corportions, they are simply not 'for the people'. They take funding from all social programing (for the people) so they can award more wealth to the super rich and powerful. Allow corportions to ship our jobs overseas so they can make larger profit margins.



The Right caters to Big Business and the Ultra Elite.

The Left caters to the people.



I believe it's important to switch up our government parties. We don't want to go too far left and we don't want to go too far right. So it keeps the balance. The right benefit the country in their own way and so does the left.



But imo, watching American politics... your Right is scary! They're propaganda machine is comparable to the German Nazi party. *shudder*

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 08/09/2011

So are other news stations, Dyan. Equally filled with lies and geared towards left wing theology. It's pretty equal! Really.

Rosie - posted on 08/09/2011

seriously nicole you turn on fox new and it's guaranteed to be exaggerated or an outright lie. as for our politicians lying as well. i will whole heartedly agree that each side lies. however republicans do lie more than dems. :) http://www.politifact.com/

if anybody believes anything on fox news without checking things out, i say they are rather stupid. i'm so glad glenn beck will be off (if he's not already) so he can't spit out anymore lies. he's a troll. i'll post links later, i gotta go register the kiddos for school!! whoot whoot!!

Gina - posted on 08/09/2011

Dyan, thanks for the facts of that picture. I get pissed off with this too, Is he Christian or Muslim? Why the hell is it a big deal?.

Not all Muslims are terrorists or hate Christians, just like not all Christians hate every religion other than their own.

He's the president, he mixes with every faith, here he's just showing respect for one during meeting people, shit how wrong of him!

Jenni - posted on 08/09/2011

Laws like this is what's scary about the Christian agenda-



"A law under consideration in South Dakota would expand the definition of "justifiable homicide" to include killings that are intended to prevent harm to a fetus—a move that could make it legal to kill doctors who perform abortions. The Republican-backed legislation, House Bill 1171, has passed out of committee on a nine-to-three party-line vote, and is expected to face a floor vote in the state's GOP-dominated House of Representatives soon."



http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/...



Next on the agenda, reintroducing 'stoning women who get abortions'.

Jenni - posted on 08/09/2011

Nichole, the Christian agenda is just as scary as a Muslim agenda because of the power it holds over countries. Christian ideologies are still being used as protocol for laws in prodominately Christian countries. And disrupt issues of human rights and education because of their 'traditions'.



Not everyone agrees with Christian laws and morals just like not everyone agrees with Muslim laws and morals. And to force others to follow religious doctrine just because it's in some ancient text is ludicris.



If you were forced to wear a burka because you lived in a prodominately Muslim country.... I'm sure you'd be pretty PO'd about it considering you aren't practicing Islam.



Just like (let's use gay marriage as an example) a gay couple is denied rights to legally marry in their country because it is against Christian law.

Jenni - posted on 08/09/2011

Geez, I think I'd probably go insane if I lived in a country this fuelled by propaganda. What a Clusterfuck!



First, if he was Muslim, WHO CARES? The islamaphobia in America is riotous. Do I get my knickers in knots every time an *openly* Christian president/prime minister is in office because he's admittedly pushing the Christian agenda? Sure. Keep religion out of politics. But I have yet to see any cogent evidence that Obama is;

a) a secret Muslim ooooooo booga booga!

b) infiltrating politics with a Muslim agenda



Yeah, and the pic is obviously taken out of context. I assumed on first glance it was out of respect for another country he was visiting. Surprise surprise his opposition used it to invoke more fear and hate-mongering.



Do you honestly believe Obama (if he was a Muslim) would be openly practicing this close to election time or at ALL in his presidency. Considering the public's fear of Muslims?



It is absolutely mind blowing (from an outsider's point of view) that there are Americans who actually believe any of this trife. That there are Americans who can be so easily fooled by illogical propaganda and brainwashing. Spoonfed such ridiculous notions and conspiracy theories. "Please Sir, can I have some more indoctrinate porridge?"



Good, I hope he did declare that America is not a Christian nation. It's NOT! There are many people who don't practice Christianity. I would not want my country speaking for me and declaring me to be some religion I am NOT. Ludicris.



"The direction this country is headed should strike fear in the heart of every Christian, especially knowing that the Muslim religion believes that if Christians cannot be converted, they should be annihilated."



-and there you have the *real* agenda. To get America scared shitless into voting for the right come next election. Notice how the closer you get to your election date... the more fearful and suspect you become of everyone and everything in your country or from other countries?



Don't worry. The Republicans are here to set things right... "shh shh we'll protect you from the boogyman."

Funny (ironic) they are the ones trying to convince everyone the boogyman actually exists.

Carolee - posted on 08/08/2011

I made the mistake of being openly Pagan at a job once. I was called all sorts of things, and a couple of people made it seem like it was their life's goal to make my working life miserable. That is why people feel that they have to hide their religious beliefs if they are not "mainstream" or "popular". Just the other day, on COM, there was a post that was so anti-non-Christians that I left the group. I have found that "Christians" are MUCH quicker to verbally attack people for not having the same belief system as they do. I'm not saying that all Christians do this, but it happens often enough that, when somebody is very vocal about being Christian, I am immediately leery of them.

√v^√v^√♥ - posted on 08/08/2011

I think that's way too harsh a claim Dyan and if you're going to say half of what the Right says is made up, one could equally say half of what the Left says is made up. Seriously, both parties lie. We all know it. I don't think either lies any worse than the other.



I haven't researched whether this is an utter lie or not, so thank you for the imput on whether this is true or false :)







"I think that if Christians didn't put up such a fuss about "Non-Christians", people might feel a little more free to openly state their personal religions/opinions"



Why do Non-Christians care so much about what Christians think, so much so.. that they would hide it?



Why are Christians scarier than Muslims?









Which makes me point out the same sort of thing thing..



"Obama *may* have said he was Christian because his campaign advisors knew that he wouldn't get elected because of ignorant biases based on extremists"



Are you saying he lied, then?



If he did, I think it's sad that one would have to hide their religion. If it truly doesn't matter, then why lie? Why do the 'Christians' have so much sway on this matter?



If Christians don't, who are you saying does?



Are there really that many extremists in America, that if he had openly said he was Muslim, he wouldn't have been elected?



I too agree there are more important things to discuss, but I haven't had this conversation yet so I would like to. Sorry for jumping on the presidential religion bandwagon discussion too late.

Carolee - posted on 08/08/2011

I think that if Christians didn't put up such a fuss about "Non-Christians", people might feel a little more free to openly state their personal religions/opinions. There is nothing that will make me dislike a group more than finger-pointing at someone else while doing the same/similar things. Stop pointing out the negative in other religions and try acceptance for a change. I'm honestly more scared of "Christians" than "Muslims"... or any other religion for that matter.

Holly - posted on 08/08/2011

My husband is Muslim. Are you trying to say my husband is a terrorist, Katrina? Are you trying to say that one of the basic freedoms that this country was built on - Freedom of RELIGION - shouldn't be followed? Have you ever considered that maybe Obama *may* have said he was Christian because his campaign advisors knew that he wouldn't get elected because of ignorant biases based on extremists (not saying that's the case, but we don't know)? Like I said before, WHO FREAKING CARES?!?!

I swear, since Bush JR. made such a huge deal about his religion it's like that's all people care about. I'd personally rather hear about other things to do with our GOVERNMENT, and not about our president's personal religion (which he is entitled to in our own Consitution!). Ugh...

Kelly - posted on 08/08/2011

I don't care if he's Muslim. J's best school friend is Muslim. His family immigrated here from Pakistan, and we've had a wonderful time this summer learning about their religion, customs, and food.

Amazingly, they have not tried to kill us yet!



Seriously, very, very few Muslims believe that Christians should be killed. They don't believe in suicide bombers--my friend even showed me a piece of scripture condemning it. Their Book is just like the Christian Book--It is full of contradictions and is very open to interpretation.



I don't care if Obama opts out of National Day of Prayer. I know it wasn't cancelled because I know people who attended. Church and State are separate here. We cannot allow our president to sanction only one religion, but we cannot prohibit him from practicing his own religion, even if it is not Christian, because it is that separation of Church and State that allows the rest of us to practice the religion we choose.



Edit: Also, who says the National Day of Prayer is only for Christians? They are not the only religion that prays, so could it not be open for all religions to pray?

Katrina - posted on 08/08/2011

I agree with you that Obama's actions show that despite his claims of being a Christian, he is not. There have been interviews where he slipped up & said, My Muslim faith". I also believe his is a Muslim. Why does this bother me. First of all if he feels that needs to lie about his religious beliefs, something is very wrong. This has nothing to do w/his religious beliefs, or does it, but he is constantly changing his stories, and has not been transparent like he promised he would be during the election. Go to http://www.shoebat.com/. He is a former member of the PLO, and gives the inside scoop on how the Islamists really think, and how they are lying to us.

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 08/08/2011

right on Holly what the hell does it matter??

people need to be more worried about the FDA apporves to be put in our food, or that some cancers can be curedw/out kemo and all that shit they put in you...not what the pres worships on a day to day...wow :-/

Holly - posted on 08/08/2011

Who CARES what religion Obama is?!?! Does it affect how he does his job? NO! So why the heck do we care? And why would it be such a bad thing if he was Muslim? Ugh... this topic annoys me and I *know* I shouldn't get involved...

Rosie - posted on 08/08/2011

obama did not cancel the national day of prayer. he himself opted out of the prayer, but that doesn't equate it being cancelled. you can equate that to being muslim, or you can simply equate him being somewhat similar to previous presidents like george h. w. bush, ronald reagan or clinton, who opted out every year they were in office or did it only once. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/pra...

as for the islamic day of prayer, and obama taking his shoes off etc. it's explained within the snopes article as well. the whole thing is made up. the picture is not of him on any islamic day of prayer (which by the way is not any official thing the US sanctions), but of a visit to the blue mosque in istanbul, turkey.

it is a rumor, and it really iritates me how easily people fall into this stuff. i wish people would understand how the "right" LIES about everything therefore you should probably check things out by indendent sites. this is blatant MADE UP propaganda. half of what the right says is made up.

Carolee - posted on 08/08/2011

The following was copied directly from the www.islamoncapitolhill.com website:

The objective of this gathering is to invite the Muslim Communities and friends of Islam to express and illustrate the wonderful diversity of Islam. We intend to manifest Islam's majestic spiritual principals as revealed by Allah to our beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUH) of Arabia. Likewise; we intend to inspire a new generation of Muslim to work for the greater good of all people. We shall serve all people, regardless of race, religion or national origin.

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I don't see where people need to be worried...