I'm really wondering and has anyone else noticed?

Dana - posted on 09/24/2009 ( 25 moms have responded )

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The more I'm on COM, I notice that people have no problem about commenting on things when they don't know what they're talking about.



I always make sure I know what I'm posting about partly because I don't want to put mis-information out there, mostly because who likes to look like an idiot, huh? Although, I'm beginning to think some people don't mind looking like one or are too stupid to know they do.



Politics are one of MANY examples. How many of you have heard, " I'm sick of not being able to say anything against the president, without being called unpatriotic or racist" or "He's taking our freedoms away!" . Where were these people for the last 8 yrs. Where they even paying attention? Do they know ANYTHING about politics or the history of our politicians. The history of our country!



Oh, and my absolute favorite, communism and Hitler, You cannot be Hitler AND a Communist!!!



Thanks for the opportunity to rant, now feel free to add some of your own if you'd like! ;) Or any complaints you have with your own countries idiots.

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?? - posted on 09/24/2009

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My peeves about this particular subject



#1 - "You are wrong... but I'm not going to give you facts to prove you are wrong, just my opinion."



I am quite uninformed when it comes to the specifics of any particular event, person, whatever it may be -- but I generally avoid forming solid opinions on those events, people or whatever it may be -- when I post about them, I give my opinions on specific things that I HAVE learned about and I am ALWAYS open to an INTELLIGENT reply - whether I'm right or wrong or have been misinformed I am ALWAYS open to LEARNING if it is presented to me in an intelligent way.



I am so bored of people just simply saying "You're wrong because I think it's like this." THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME WRONG - that just means we were given different information and come to different conclusions. You can't say I am WRONG if you're not gonna give me actual evidence that I am wrong!





#2 - The same ole argument for every single argument.



Whether it be "religion" or "values" or it being "because that's how I was raised." I hate that people can not look beyond 1 single factor in their life to address a subject on a deeper level than the surface. Yes I understand that religion may be a part of your life - yes I understand that your values are your own - yes I understand that that is how you were raised and that change is hard - but is it really worth bein a foolish tool stuck on the bridge of your own nose? Is life really that simplistic to you that your own satisfaction is more imporant than learning about others, and if it is, why do you bother saying anything anyways?





#3 - "I want to find a compromise."



You don't want a fuckin compromise. You want everyone else to compromise their views in order to conform to yours. If you wanted to find a compromise you would stop ARGUING the same point and start looking and adding each point to the other. (Everyone is guilty of this - including myself.) You would stop getting OFFENDED when the 'other side' rejects your side and refuses to conform to your ways. You would try to ask questions that lead to an intelligent reply rather than sarcastically taunt with rhetorical questions. You wouldn't bother continuing to argue/stick to/relentlessly follow 1 reasoning without trying to evolve the motive behind the original discussion.



#4 - It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.



No shit. Duh. No explaination needed there.



#5 - Generalizations



When someone says "you" - TRY TO APPLY IT TO THE OBVIOUS YOU as a whole RATHER THAN YOURSELF! Really, you'd avoid so much BULLSHIT if you would just use a lil common sense. As well - don't apply YOU to yourself if say - someone is talkin about "the super crazies" IF YOU'RE NOT A SUPER CRAZY ! If you get offended by someone sayin "The super crazy right wingers" THEN I'M GONNA ASSUME YOU'RE A SUPER CRAZY RIGHT WINGER!!!!!!! If you are not a super crazy right winger then there's no reason to assume they are talkin about you.



#6 - Lumping Yourself In With The Crazies



People are constantly saying "I hate it when people lump us together." In regards to anything - whether it's ... bashing americans or crazy right wingers or bible thumpers or enviromentalists that destroy property. If someone is talkin about "the stupid americans" or "the conspiracy driven right wingers" or the "gay bashing christians" or the "dirty hippies" IF YOU GET OFFENDED BY IT THEN IT IS YOU - AND ONLY YOU - THAT IS LUMPING YOURSELF IN WITH THOSE PEOPLE. Not the person talking about those people but YOU !!!!!!! You are the one implying that you are one of those people.



#7 - Personal Responsibility



I'm all for personal responsibility. I take responsibility for myself 100% of the time - that includes if I am wrong, I have the guts to admit it. I don't embarrass easily - and being misinformed is not something to be embarrassed about............ UNLESS YOU ARE PURPOSEFULLY MISINFORMING YOURSELF with information that is OBVIOUSLY wacked out and YOU CHOOSE to believe it instead of weigh it's value amongst everything else that is being presented.



#8 - Contradicting yourself for the sake of backing up someone "on the same side."



It's all getting old - the same people gang up - even when 1 of them or even 2 of them end up contradicting themselves. I haven't seen this done with the liberals on these boards - for the most part they don't really "gang up" either - they each present their own thoughts and opinions and they give their own reasonings for having come to this conclusion. But MANY TIMES I have seen the conservatives, republicans, the people on the right back each other up on the most ridiculous of conversations just because they "feel they know what they are talking about." They try to elaborate on each others points instead of presenting their own and backing up their own. I don't care the reason but I have seen too many times that these people back each other up just to go 3-4 threads down and see the same person say the opposite!



#9 - Twisting words to mean what they want.



No explaination needed. Conversations are 5x longer than they have to be because some people would rather twist words to mean something other than what it was intended.



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#10 - Common sense, critical thinking, factual reasoning



I have heard so many excuses for thinking one way or another and they rarely ever post any sensible reasons, any facts to back up their reasons, and they don't even bother to go into the depth of what they are saying - they rely on "the bible tells me so" or "cause we earned our money" or "we did it they can too"





Anyways... ten things I despise about these conversations. Along with the fact that the biased moderation of the topics usually end in a pathetic attempt to silence rather than come to an amicable conclusion.

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?? - posted on 10/01/2009

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Has anyone else noticed that the liberal voice seems to be the majority cept for on the RCM forum - the crazy psycho conspiracy voice seems to be the loudest over there - but it seems like the people who swear they live and die fighting for freedoms have lost their will to fight against the people who supposedly hold them down and keep their freedom at arms length..........

Dana - posted on 09/30/2009

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I'm beginning to wonder if this the first election they've participated in. That would explain some of the ignorance.... I guess. And let me add, there is nothing more annoying than someone who is all gung-ho when they don't know what they're talking about.

Sara - posted on 09/29/2009

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And they all think that the founding father's walked on water or some shit...Glenn Beck's influence I daresay. It drives me nuts that they take all these founding fathers quotes out of context and try to apply them to their argument that government has no place in our lives. Whatever.

JL - posted on 09/29/2009

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Well.. WHEN ever I had the balls to point out inaccurate information and provide the accurate facts when I did take part in PDM I was jumped on and accussed of throwing my education at them as if I thought I was better than them. Umm....in many cases I did not say crap about their opinions or even attempt to debate their opinions I just corrected the inaccurate historical facts..It does say Joy "the historian" for a friggin reason. It is not like I ever hid that I was a professional historian and I would think I would be a crappy one if I did not say something when someone had posted blantantly inaccurate and false historical evidence.



But No I get shit all over because they have their own self esteem issues they need to work out. I could transport those ladies back in time and put them face to face with history and they still would deny shit, get pissy, and then yell personal attacks at me. Most of the time they just end up copying and pasting crap loads of quotes they found off of Wikipedia and they call that research.Uhhh!



A few of the women on PDM post certain topics on purpose to antagonize the liberals. They are not interested in debating..they are interested in attacking.

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I get so tired of reading posts in threads where people keep having to explain that. Why are the ignorant so damn defensive and narcissistic?

Erin - posted on 09/26/2009

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Quoting Laura:

I haven't seen BRENDA WHATEVERHERNAMEISCRAZYBITCH on the pdm page in days...I think she may have been committed (or turned in to the tyrannical government/) So...welcome back all! :)

I don't want to take credit where it's not due...but I did tell her that the gov't was monitoring her and that she ought to leave... try to keep the applause down SHHHH :)


BAHAHAHAHAHA

Isobel - posted on 09/25/2009

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I haven't seen BRENDA WHATEVERHERNAMEISCRAZYBITCH on the pdm page in days...I think she may have been committed (or turned in to the tyrannical government/) So...welcome back all! :)

I don't want to take credit where it's not due...but I did tell her that the gov't was monitoring her and that she ought to leave... try to keep the applause down SHHHH :)

Isobel - posted on 09/25/2009

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Quoting Theresa:

My peeve, is when a person (usually from PDM) simply cannot admit that something or someone (including themselves) is WRONG! Every statement WRITTEN, is a justification or explanation of WHY they think a particular situation has occurred, ex. (President Bush led us into an unnecessary war. BUT... or Health Care needs to be reformed. BUT..., or politicians behave in a self-preserving and self-serving manner. BUT...). I think a lot of solutions can be had and we could agree on many more topics if they would stop trying to make excuses for everything and everyone. They try to validate or explain away why something or someone was done in a manner that was illegal, shameful or corrupt, just to make their point (all the while contradicting themseves)! There's always a "reason" for a person's particular action...that doesn't make it RIGHT! Demeaning, insulting and condemning others who don't agree with them doesn't make them RIGHT either!


exactly...I go out of my way to admit when somebody has even given me pause for thought...it makes me crazy when they ask for proof, you provide it, then...crickets.

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Quoting Joy "the historian":

That is why I don't partake in PDM anymore. It was a one sided conversation...so what is the point then.


I just joined a few days ago and I already feel the same way! It's like some people post things specifically to be antagonistic, but if you call them out, you get told to remove the stick from your bum because clearly, clearly they were joking!



 



To get back to the OP, the whole internet is like this. Being anonymous makes people bolder, and the ease of sharing your opinion makes people lazy. End result: uninformed posts that express people's feelings at the moment instead of informed opinions based on verifiable facts. I think it would be awesome if you had to take a comprehension test on the information you're posting about before you post it. Or at least a popup reminder when you hit the post button: "Did you remember to read the whole thread and think about what you are saying?" (I am totally guilty of not always reading the whole thread, and it usually ends in embarrassment for me...)



It's kind of a pain to sift through when you're looking for actual content, but at least there are usually some laughs along the way!

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I'm stupid that way! Sometimes I'm hopeful that I might actually persuade someone to think outside of their comfort zone :-)

JL - posted on 09/25/2009

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That is why I don't partake in PDM anymore. It was a one sided conversation...so what is the point then.

Sara - posted on 09/25/2009

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Quoting Theresa:

My peeve, is when a person (usually from PDM) simply cannot admit that something or someone (including themselves) is WRONG! Every statement WRITTEN, is a justification or explanation of WHY they think a particular situation has occurred, ex. (President Bush led us into an unnecessary war. BUT... or Health Care needs to be reformed. BUT..., or politicians behave in a self-preserving and self-serving manner. BUT...). I think a lot of solutions can be had and we could agree on many more topics if they would stop trying to make excuses for everything and everyone. They try to validate or explain away why something or someone was done in a manner that was illegal, shameful or corrupt, just to make their point (all the while contradicting themseves)! There's always a "reason" for a person's particular action...that doesn't make it RIGHT! Demeaning, insulting and condemning others who don't agree with them doesn't make them RIGHT either!



That is why I left that group...I don't need to be agreed with, but I also don't need to be talked down to in a disrespectful and inflammatory way while the Admin does nothing about it except make excuses for the people who do it (because, I gather, they happen to agree with that person politically and socially).  They don't want to debate, they want to try to aleviate some wierd inferiority complex by being condescending and rude ****coughbrendacough*****

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My peeve, is when a person (usually from PDM) simply cannot admit that something or someone (including themselves) is WRONG! Every statement WRITTEN, is a justification or explanation of WHY they think a particular situation has occurred, ex. (President Bush led us into an unnecessary war. BUT... or Health Care needs to be reformed. BUT..., or politicians behave in a self-preserving and self-serving manner. BUT...). I think a lot of solutions can be had and we could agree on many more topics if they would stop trying to make excuses for everything and everyone. They try to validate or explain away why something or someone was done in a manner that was illegal, shameful or corrupt, just to make their point (all the while contradicting themseves)! There's always a "reason" for a person's particular action...that doesn't make it RIGHT! Demeaning, insulting and condemning others who don't agree with them doesn't make them RIGHT either!

Sara - posted on 09/25/2009

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OMG, I cannot stand when people type stuff out like they're texting...like "Y dnt ppl take yung moms srsly?". Gee, I don't know. Type it out, dammit!

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Also, if you struggle with spelling or grammar, there are checkers designed for these things. Don't expect someone to take you seriously in a debate when you can't even spell or write properly. I do not expect everyone to have a high level of formal education, however, as I said, there are many tools designed to help get your point across articulately. USE THEM!!!

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One of my personal pet peeves is when someone says "don't call me a bad parent" after they've posted about slapping their 5 month old because they didn't listen or that they feed their kids an exclusive diet of cheetos and root beer or they allow their 9 year old daughter to date or Child Services has just taken their kid away for the umpteenth time or... you get the idea. They know better. They are just hoping for one lame idiot to post something to assuage their guilty conscience. And when everyone speaks the truth, that they suck as a parent, they act like a bratty kid and throw a tantrum. The part that boggles my mind is that they are smart enough to figure out how to post on COM (although usually they are practically illiterate) and yet they can not follow the basics of parenting and expect others to support their terrible behavior.

The other thing (generally on the Welcome Board) is when someone posts about a very controversial topic like circumcision, abortion, spanking, etc. and then gets upset when people disagree with them. WTF did you expect to happen moron!?!? If you plan to circumcise your son and you don't want to argue about it, don't post about it on COM. Geez.

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I agree with Sarah as to why this happens - the dumbies are too dumb to realise how dumb they really are!!!! They see a few video clips, read a few blogs, and suddenly they're political and philosophical experts. I have no problem reading people's OPINIONS, even if I completely disagree with them, but when people start spouting such utter bullshit as FACT I just have to roll my eyes. They will never realise how stupid they look....

JL - posted on 09/24/2009

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Critical thinking skills are no longer taught or emphasized in America.

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I actually saw a thread about biting the other day and a woman replied telling the lady to bite her kid back. Nice. I don't think people mind looking like idiots, because they dont' know that they are. Ignorance is bliss.



Now, politics is whole different story. It irks me to now end that people are throwing around Hilter and Nazi indiscriminately, because it's offensive and uncalled for. It's undermines the true suffering of millions of people and turns it into a farce. They should feel very ashamed.



What really bothers me is when people say that they are being discriminated against because they are Christians, but it's ok not to discriminate against Muslims...why are they always bringing up Muslims? I'm not the one who thinks they are all terrorists, just like I don't think all Christians are insane doctor killers. Gimme a break. They want to think they're being discriminated against when really people are just questioning their beliefs and they don't like it.

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ROFL! Well if you figure out the Canadian system then the US one is pretty easy to understand.



Though I do agree a lot seem to have no clue what they are talking about. I don't always either but I at least try to inform myself as much as I can. I've forgotten a lot since school. LOL!

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