Sandra - posted on 04/27/2010 ( 13 moms have responded )
Sandra - posted on 04/27/2010 ( 13 moms have responded )
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Shelz - posted on 05/08/2010
i agree megan. Also i have heard autism can start signs around the same time the injection is given so its hard to prove. But i havent researched it and i dont want to get into a debate about something i know almost nothing about... Instead i choose to immunise.
Megan - posted on 05/02/2010
Now the problem is that children are dying from Measels which is preventable. I would rather take the risk of getting my child vaccinated, then taking the risk of him dying from something that is preventable.
Connie - posted on 05/01/2010
I would do as much research as you can not only on the immunizations, but also the diseases that the immunizations keep us safe from.
My boss' daughter went completely deaf from bacterial mennigitis that could've been prevented if the immunization was available when she was a baby. I have another co-worker whose son came down with the same as a baby and came within moments of death.
When my son was 6 months old he came in contact with a child who was never immunized, but was sent to daycare with other children who were too young to be immunized. She came down with the measles and soon after my son came down with the symptoms of the measles. Luckily he ended up not coming down with the measles, but I have never (and I mean never) been so mad at another person in my life.
I understand making decisions for your own children based on your beliefs, but I would urge you if you do not immunize your child not to allow that child around vulnerable children. It was such a scary moment because I do believe in immunizing my children, but am scared to death of them catching something before they are able to have the immunization. :(
As for the scare of MMR causing autism... please read up on autism as you are doing your research. Current studies show that autism shows signs as early as 9 months old, which is well before the MMR is given.
Good luck with your research! :)
Bonita - posted on 05/01/2010
Good info Rachel. Thank you for making it available. I have three children and have not vaccinated them with MMR because I also did research on it and came up with the same things, especially the autism issue. Quite a shocker. I would rather they catch and live through measles than have even a slim chance of getting autism for the rest of their life. One daughter did get measles, at Christmas time to boot. She was two, and besides the pictures I took to remember it by, she wasn't negatively affected by it at all, thank God.
Sandra - posted on 04/29/2010
Thanks to all moms. I'm still confused about the child's vaccination. There are a lot of controversy about it. Thank you all for the answers ..
Rachel - posted on 04/28/2010
Thanks, Heidi! I'm glad to hear someone agrees with me. :)
Heidi - posted on 04/28/2010
Amen Rachel! I reacted terribly to the vaccine as a child... as a result none of my siblings were vaccinated and my 13 month old hasn't been immunised either. Too much risk for what? Limited immunity? What's the point?!
Rachel - posted on 04/28/2010
Manufacturer’s Inserts and efficacy statements: MMR II (live virus)-Package Insert states efficacy is based on the individual vaccine components.
*Per The CDC: The vaccine effectiveness for one dose of MMR is 70-80% and 80-90% for two doses.
Measles, mumps, and rubella antibodies in children 5–6 years after immunization: effect of vaccine type and age at vaccination finds:
"The levels of antibody against measles, mumps, and rubella were determined at 5–6 years postimmunization in 468 children vaccinated with two different trivalent vaccines. The proportions of children without detectable antibody levels were 12 and 3.6% for measles (p
Rachel - posted on 04/28/2010
I'll be the devil's advocate for this one.
My children are not vaccinated. After reading up on it (in the package inserts and published medical articles - not just "stuff" online), I have too many questions that the medical field is not answering that make me leary of vaccinating. For instance, they are made with formaldeheyde which is a known carcinogen. Fragments of a drop of formaldeheyde are proven to cause cancer, yet it is still used as a preservative in many of our vaccines. Why? And knowing that, why haven't they been tested for their ability to cause cancer? Shampoo is, but vaccines containing formaldeheyde, aluminum, and mercury aren't?
The MMR vaccine scares me more than any other one because of all the conflicting evidence out there. The pharmaceutical companies have published junk science over and over again about the MMR not causing autism. YET, PRIVATELY FUNDED companies are finding over and over again that there is a definite link. If there is a possible link, why are we continuing to give the vaccine until we prove ABSOLUTELY FROM ALL SOURCES that its safe? Wouldn't it be more responsible to STOP until we prove it is?
Here is some more information from the package insert. I am also attaching some links at the bottom from credible sources.
The MMR Vaccine: What the Manufacturer's Insert Tells Us
by: Alisa Elizabeth King Terry
With all the controversy surrounding vaccines, it can be difficult to make a decision. The idea of one of our tiny children developing a disease that could have been prevented by a vaccine is frightening.
However, are vaccines really the Holy Grail they've been promised to be? There are many educated, experienced medical professionals disagreeing on the subject. One place for parent to start might be the makers of the vaccines themselves.
Vaccine Package Inserts
Every vaccine includes a package insert that tells the doctor (and the parent lucky enough to see one) all about the vaccine, including its description, ingredients, purpose, contraindications (under what circumstances one should NOT have the vaccine), and side effects.
Merck is the manufacturer of the commonly used MMR vaccine. MMR stands for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella. They provide a copy of the MMR package insert on their website in PDF format, which one can view by clicking here.
MMR Vaccine Ingredients
Under the description we learn that the MMR is made in a medium using chick embryo cell culture. That means the disease is cultivated in eggs. Another potentially allergenic ingredient is gelatin. Anyone with an egg or gelatin allergy will want to avoid having this injected into their blood stream.
We also learn that the Rubella part of the vaccine is grown in human diploid lung fibroblasts. Translation: aborted human embryo tissue.
MMR Vaccine Indications and Uses
Generally, the MMR vaccine is recommended for children starting at 12 months. It is also frequently recommended for women of child-bearing age, since Rubella can cause birth defects. Many women have had the MMR vaccine recommended to them during pregnancy itself as well as immediately after.
However, the package insert clearly states that women should only receive the MMR vaccine 3 month prior to actually becoming pregnant.
It also states "Post pubertal females should be informed of the frequent occurrence of generally self-limited arthralgia and/or arthritis beginning 2 to 4 weeks after vaccination." MMR Vaccine Contraindications
A contraindication is a condition under which receiving the MMR vaccine would be a bad idea, possibly even life threatening. Here, individuals are warned if they are allergic or sensitive to any of the vaccine ingredients, if they are pregnant, if they have any immunosuppressive diseases or a family history of such conditions, or any condition effecting the lymph or bone marrow.
Under the Warnings section, we are told that anyone currently with or who has a family history of convulsions, cerebral injury, or "any other condition in which stress due to fever should be avoided." (Author's note: that's their sentence fragment, not mine).
The Precautions section has an interesting section that nursing mothers who are told to get the Rubella vaccine after giving birth should note. Live Rubella virus has been known to come from some individuals who receive the vaccine 7 to 28 days later. They note that while this means they could theoretically spread Rubella, they don't regard it as a significant risk. However, in the next sentence they state that "transmission of the Rubella vaccine virus to infants via breast milk has been documented."
MMR Vaccine Effectiveness
The last important bit of information under this section of the MMR vaccine package insert is this sentence: "As for any vaccine, vaccination with M-M-R-II may not result in protection in 100% of vaccines."
There is ample documentation of MMR vaccine failure, specifically major outbreaks among highly-vaccinated populations. Blame for the outbreaks is usually placed on the unvaccinated portion of the population, however, the largest percentages of those who become ill are usually the ones who are current on their vaccines. Click here to read a long list of peer-reviewed studies and their summaries concerning this issue.
Some experts are concerned that the Measles, Mumps and Rubella viruses are mutating, but more studies need to be done in order to confirm this.
MMR Vaccine Adverse Reactions
Merck lists the following side effects on their package insert. Panniculitis
Anaphylaxis and anaphylactoid reactions
encephalitis (Brain Swelling signaled by uncontrollable crying~Beth)
subacute sclerosing panencephalitis
Guillian Barre Syndrome (My mom had this as a result of vaccination. It's where your blood and plasma separate and the plasma attacks your nervous system. She still has residual paralysis 11 years later.)
The actual package insert tells a little more about each of these "adverse reactions."
In addition, they make the following statement:"M-M-R II has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility."
For information on adverse reactions reported to the government (warning - the government itself estimates that only 10% of all reactions are actually reported), visit the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
The Autism Controversy
I am no longer "trying to dig up evidence to prove" vaccines cause autism. There is already abundant evidence,--- [July 9, 2006 Blog/letter] Discovering the causes, treatment of autism ----David Ayoub, MD...... This debate is not scientific but is political.
This merits an article unto itself, but an introduction is important here, since the Autism/Vaccine connection is most frequently associated with the MMR.
In June 2005, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wrote an article published in the Rolling Stone about the connection between rising rates in Autism and the ingredient thimerosal (mercury) in vaccines. He joins a long line of scientists, medical experts, and concerned parents who see a connection, even if the government does not.
"In 1982, the FDA proposed a ban on over-the-counter products that contained thimerosal, and in 1991 the agency considered banning it from animal vaccines. But tragically, that same year, the CDC recommended that infants be injected with a series of mercury-laced vaccines. Newborns would be vaccinated for hepatitis B within twenty-four hours of birth, and two-month-old infants would be immunized for haemophilus influenzae B and diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis," he wrote.
He continues, "The drug industry knew the additional vaccines posed a danger. The same year that the CDC approved the new vaccines, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, one of the fathers of Merck's vaccine programs, warned the company that six-month-olds who were administered the shots would suffer dangerous exposure to mercury. He recommended that thimerosal be discontinued, "especially when used on infants and children," noting that the industry knew of nontoxic alternatives. "The best way to go," he added, "is to switch to dispensing the actual vaccines without adding preservatives."
For Merck and other drug companies, however, the obstacle was money."
Currently, most vaccine companies are "voluntarily" removing thimerosal as a vaccine preservative, however, it continues to be used in flu vaccines and vaccines sent out of the country.
Most of this information has come directly from the manufacturer's own package insert for the MMR vaccine. It behooves each parent to consider this information very carefully; since much of it is excluded from the documentation provided by the Center or Disease Control that is given to parents at the time the vaccine is given to their children.
http://www.thinktwice.com/mmr.htm - this is the website of Dr. Neil Z. Miller, author of "Vaccines: Are they Really Safe and Effective?" and "The Vaccine Safety Manual."
Amy - posted on 04/28/2010
our pediatrician told us to wait until our daughter was 2 yrs old so that's when she'll be getting it
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Meagan - posted on 04/27/2010
I don't think there's anything wrong with it to be honest. My 13-month-old just got that vaccine yesterday & he's still happy and hyper lyke he's always been. I read alot about it beforehand so I knew what to expect.