Is it wrong to be mad?

Krystal - posted on 04/20/2010 ( 22 moms have responded )

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I took my son to his routine visit with the pshyc for med management, and my son has adhd, odd, and bipolar mixed. Hes 7 yrs old. Well we are still going thru med changes, my opinion is hes on too many meds, he takes 70mgs of vyvavance, 1 mg risperdone and now temex i dont remember the dosage then he takes 5 mg of melatonin at night. Well During this visit the doctor makes mention TO my son that if he doesnt buckle down that child services is going to come in our home and take him away from me and put him in a group home and or with another family. I am at a loss and was kind of floored bout the idea of the doc taking it upon his self to scare my son like that, What am i to do? hes on too many meds.. and hes very upset that the doctor told him this.... What am i to do??

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Amy - posted on 04/20/2010

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I'd find another doctor, and report your current doc:



1. file a voluntary Medwatch (www.fda.gov/medwatch) report or call 800-fda-1088



2. contact state medical licensing board and file a complaint.



3. contact the state health dept.



4. file with consumer complaint such as Better Business Bureau



5. Contact the State Attorney General's Office and file a complaint against their business.



You would absolutely be crazy if you WEREN'T mad. This is unacceptable on the part of the doc. Good luck finding a new pediatrician. I'm sorry you are going through this.



BTW... I'm working on my Master's in Health Policy and Administration. :) This is NOT okay.

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Anitta - posted on 05/02/2010

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as if you and your son dont have enough to worry about! and the thought of losing his mummy would just make matters worse!!! im in agreeance with the other mums, 2nd opinion. a support group with kids his own age would help out alot too and maybe talking to older people with his diagnosis would give you a better understanding on what he is going through and help you to help him. i have had to fight for my son also and it got that bad that a support worker lost her job over it. i was appalled that the other parents didnt stand up to this woman that was physically abusing their kids. what your doctor has done is emotional abuse and no kid needs the thought of being taken away from the people that will love him no-matter how out of control he gets. good luck, its a long hard road but you child is worth every step of the way...mine was.

Lisa - posted on 05/01/2010

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Get another opinion, you are your sons voice he can not fight for himself, see what another professional would.

Delores - posted on 05/01/2010

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Well mother to mother I suggest seeing if you can go some place else and see what they say about what's going on with your son. I agree that he is on too many meds. Can you imagine how he must feel and far as the doctor goes, he has no right to do that. Some people think that black male or threats work when dealing with a child like ours. One thing they fail to realize is that our kids have a mind of their own and when they are being told something like that its only going to work but for so long and it may even anger them to the point that they don't want to go back to the doctor. I suggest getting a second opinion on all these meds. Best of luck to you.

Deb - posted on 05/01/2010

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I agree. A support group is helpful. I tried Melatonin with my son, 6 but it didn't help him. He had bad nights. Walked and talked in his sleep. Dr. put him on Clonidine and he sleeps thru the night. It makes such a difference during the day. My son is diagnosed with ADHD & possible Bipolar. I see the Bipolar but they don't want to diagnose this yet. Wish they would but it helps to talk to the therapist.

Deb - posted on 05/01/2010

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It's sad a doctor would do that. Doesn't gain any respect or trust. Is he seeing a therapist? It helps to have him spend time with one. And get techniques from. My son's therapist gives Alex things to do and gives me techniques to help learn self control and recognize trigger points. If he's on too many meds get another opinion. Sometimes these doctors-psychiatrists forget they're talking to a child. Be sure the doc is a psychiatrist. I wouldn't trust a Gen. Practitioner unless he has a degree in psychology.

Carol - posted on 04/30/2010

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I guess I will chime in on this discussion. I have two children that are ADHD and Bipolar. These two disorders are very often commorbid, diagnosed together. Part of the reason is the controversy over the fact that the doctors don't really know where ADHD ends and the Bipolar begins. ODD is really a part of the symptoms of bipolar disorder and thus alot of doctors won't list that separately. Children manifest these disorders differently than adults, they are usually irritable instead of depressed or manic. I have my masters as a Marriage Family Therapist. My children have been on way more meds than your son. If it wasn't for the medication, my boys would have been in a home, as they were completely out of control. I worked as a therapist at a boys home for a year. Many of these children had these same disorders and the parents couldn't handle them because the spectrum of these disorders can range from mild to very severe. I spent many years trying to treat my sons with holistic medicines until I finally realized that it was time to realize that they needed the medication, my oldest son who was 6 or 7 at that time begged me to get him help and give him the medication. He was miserable in the state that he was in. As for the ability to diagnose children, at this time they can be diagnosed bipolar nos, the APA is in the process of updating the diagnostic manual and they are arguing out this point right now. Most diagnosticians believe that children can be bipolar, its hard to imagine they just wake up at 18 with the disorder. In fact, adult ADHD isn't in the manual either, they are in the process of updating that as well, because now they know two thirds of children don't outgrow the disorder, instead it looks different as an adult. Now for the controversy, one of the ways that you deal with these kids is consistent consequences, I let my kids know that they could end up in a home if I couldn't deal with their behavior. I had no problem saying that to them. I loved them up and down and also told them where the behavior could lead. Including the jails which are filled with people that never had treatment for various disorders. I have never had a psychiatrist say anything so blunt to my kids, but I speak very honestly to my kids and if I was speaking in front of the psychiatrist or there therapist we talked about their behavior and where it could lead if they stayed on the path they were on. I say, go with your gut. If the kids need the meds than don't worry about it, people will judge you because they aren't in your shoes. The risperidone could be given at night so that your son is sleepy, that is why he takes the melatonin because these kids have a hard time going to sleep at night. As for the temex, I am thinking you are talking at tenex, which they now have a form of called intuniv, this drug can help the adhd tendencies of your son. His medications will likely change throughout his life. Especially right now while he is developing, they could change every few months until he is an adult. I know I will get flack for this response, i do agree the Bipolar Child is a great resource, I also think that if you aren't strong in your consequences and rewards with these kids it will get more out of hand as they get older. Also I believe there has been research that states that the earlier the diagnosis, and the earlier the treatment, both medication and therapy, the child will have far less major episodes throughout their life. So I for one want my kid to be successful in life by early intervention. My kids are doing great by the way, I have a 10 year old and a 12 year old now. They are on much less meds due to the new medications that are available and they are success both in school and socially.
They also know they will have to continue their own treatment throughout their lives. I know this is difficult, you need a great support group around you, if you don't have alot of family then get alot of friends.

Kristie - posted on 04/29/2010

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I would for sure find a new doc, if anything in the mean time use your Peds doc. My son has been on several different meds, they have said he has a mood disorder and ADHD. At this time I am trying to take him off of risperdol & lexapro. When we started taking him off of risperdol it was like he was a drug addict coming off this stuff. It was heartbreaking watching him. He is 8 years old and has been on this since he was 4. I think it might be the cause of some of his problems. Research all these meds extremely close and don't just go by what the pshyc says. Pharmacists know more when it comes to taking more then one drug at a time and the doses. For the ADHD we are trying a new drug called Intuniv, it actually has helped. If you ever need to vent or talk email me....kldoyle1121@gmail.com. Other people don't understand what parents like us go thru when we have a child who is different then most kids. It's very sad and so many people just give up on them.

Mary - posted on 04/29/2010

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That is rediculous. The very nerve of anyone let alone a professional to say such a thing. My son also 7 has ADHD combined with a mood disorder. He is on concerta 36 mg and Tenex 1mg one in the morning and 1/2 at 1:00. He was on respirdal which caused severe weight gain. I am currently waiting for a visit with his new peds. psych. I dumped the other one because when he began to have seizures last month, she did not bother to call me back regarding my concerns for him with his meds and to help co-ordinate things. It was if she had too much else to deal with. I tried calling her many times. My son has to come first and if they can't understand that, I will continue until I find someone who will. This one comes highly recommended and will be seeing him in May.

Andrea - posted on 04/28/2010

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oh you poor thing! Just what you needed - more angst thrown in to a tough situation.
Is your son big for his age? Cause 70mgs of vyvanse is A LOT. My 9 yar old takes 50 and he weighs 55 lbs or so (small for his age). Risperdone is an anti-psychotic that should only be used in extreme situations and never for more than 6 months or so. And melatonin, while very effective, can cause stunted gonadal growth in pre-pubescent boys (reversable when taken off the melatonin) as well as causing the onset of Crohn's Disease.
Please please find a different child psychiatrist and give your son a lot of love right now. Good luck!

Jennifer - posted on 04/26/2010

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I would personally take your business somewhere else..If the doctor for one, won't listen to that fact that you think that your son is on way too many meds, then the doctor isn't looking in the best interest of your son and you...That is their job..and if they aren't doing something to make you happy and comfortable, go somewhere where your thoughts will be heard..and with the doctor saying that, am thinking that there should be kind of reporting hotline that you could call..That is NOT something that you say to a 7 year old..or any child for that matter.

Toni - posted on 04/25/2010

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I agree with every post on here and it sounds like you do to. However, please talk to your pediatrician. I was taking my son to a psychiatrist also and he prescribed all types of meds, he is ADHD and ODD. However, I found through research that a doctor CAN NOT diagnose bi-polar in a child until they have gone through puberty. So, for a doctor to diagnose a child with bi-polar before puberty is a guessing game.......We ended up taking my son off all meds except his Vyvanse. We will look at the bi-polar issue once puberty has started or is over. My son still has issues, but he/we can handle them. Chances are yes, he will be bi-polar, but no need in medicating if not necessary. I have began to think psychiatrist are nothing more than prescription writers. Remember this YOU ARE YOUR CHILD'S ONLY ADVOCATE, NOT THE DOCTORS, TEACHERS, COUNSELORS, ETC. ONLY YOU." Good luck and god bless.

Marcie - posted on 04/24/2010

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I would suggest that you seek the opinion of another doctor. It's important for you to have faith in the person you are going to for guidance and help with your son and his plan for care. I would suggest that you do research on line about the meds your son is currently taking and make a sound decision for his best interest. Changing Doctors is ususally a pain but it is worth it if you are getting bad information and he is just medicating and not reviewing your son's progress. Good Luck.

Krystal - posted on 04/23/2010

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This is just insane, the reporting process is lengthy.. The doc is only at the office every other tuesday, ive been wanting my son to be re evaluated and nothings happening, i think ive found a new doc, but after what happened i remain very nervous and very skeptical..

Toni - posted on 04/22/2010

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It is not unususal to have both bipolar and ADHD. But the doctor was totally WRONG! I would change docs immediately. If he is with a service I would report it.

Vanessa - posted on 04/22/2010

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I have a 13 yr. old with exactly the same illnesses. He has bipolar, adhd, and odd. He only takes 2 meds., he takes strattera in the mornings, which is narcotic free and very effective, and he takes depakote at dinner time. I suggest that you find a new psych. Also, read the book The Bipolar Child by Jan Papolos. It helps you to understand all the things that your child is going thru , & tells you all options available, and helps you to understand the meds., and possible side effects. You also have the right to ask your dr. if trying a new med would work. I was very adamant w/ mine that I didn't want a lot of meds., and I wanted to try to stay away from narcotics. Life certainly isn't perfect in my home, but knowing as much as possible about your child's illness certainly helps you to see things from a different point of view! Hope this helps!

Kristy - posted on 04/21/2010

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I would be mad, definitely. The doctor had no right to say that to your son. I agree with Amy on what actions to take; you have every right to take action, and should. Make that anger work for you, not against you, or your son. I wish you the best of luck finding a new doctor.

Theresa - posted on 04/21/2010

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I would change docs NOW. I would maybe even report the doc to the state medical board. It is unethical for him to say that to a 7 year old. I think you need a second opinion anyway. Those are a lot of different issues to be diagnosed in a child so young. We were having issues with our oldest and couldn't get things figured out. I finally put him in a day treatment program at a psychiatric center just so they could observe him. They took him off all meds and started from scratch. It made a ton of difference. After two months we had things under control and he stopped treatment there. We just continued med management with the psych he had already been seeing. The day treatment was from 8:30-3:00 Mon- Fri, so it was just like school. They did all his school work there with him so he didn't fall behind. I know it sounds extreme, but it worked so well for them to be able to observe daily the issues he was having. It's hard for a psych to figure out all the problems when they see the kid for 1/2 hour once a month. And it's not always easy for us parents to get all our concerns across to the doc. Plus then you have to try to add in the school's opinions. Good luck.

Shelly - posted on 04/20/2010

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FIND A NEW DOCTOR NOW!!! He had no right to say those things to anybody ever. File a complaint with every organization related to his profession about him; that is ethically wrong.

Krystal - posted on 04/20/2010

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Thankyou ladies! I will start on fixing this bright and early.. I was so taken back by what the doctor had said, I didnt know if i was being too protective of my son..

Alison - posted on 04/20/2010

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I can't believe a trained psychiatrist would be so insensitive! Definitely find a new doctor. Talk to your pharmacist about his medications. On one hand it may feel horrible to have to give him so many drugs (melatonin is not a drug from what I understand), but on the other hand, we are so fortunate to the have means to diagnose and treat these conditions these days, allowing our children to live somewhat normal and productive lives.

Carmen - posted on 04/20/2010

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Seriously??? i think its past time for a second opinion and a pshyc altogether. You have every right to be mad, hell, I'm mad for you and I've never even met you. The psych has no right to say that and honestly I'd take steps to report him for such a thing.

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