How would a bi-racial child be classified as far as ethnicity

Christine - posted on 07/24/2009 ( 228 moms have responded )

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Im about to give birth to a bi-racial child. I am white and the father is haitian. I heard that the children are classified as to what ethnic the father is.

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Son Of - posted on 01/23/2013

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The child is whatever the man is, im sure youve already had your child by now, but just to clear things up. the child is whatever the father is no matter what the color of his/her skin is, because the man carries the seed, and plants his seed in the woman. the child is the fruit of her womb. its no way around it.

Kimberly - posted on 07/26/2009

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My son is 9 y.o. and has always identified with being both black and white. On forms now they say check all that apply, and if not then I choose other and enter bi-racial black and white bc 23 chromosomes are from European descent as is 23 chromosomes African-American. He's not simply black and I wouldn't ever tolerate it..Put it this way....There are many Latinos that look black, yet no one can go around calling them black. My child may look black to some people, but he's both.

Tiffinie - posted on 07/26/2009

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My son has a white father and I classify my son as black because that his how the world will view him. He is aware that he is both black and white but for legal purposes, I classify him as black. Halle Berry, Barack Obama, Lenny Kravitz. Jimi Hendrix, Dorothy Dandridge, Etta James, etc. All of these people are referred to as black but we know they are biracial.

Heather - posted on 12/17/2012

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I would say she's American:-) I don't believe one person is one ethnicity here in America and if they are they are fairly new to the USA..... Just saying;-) You can't really say half white and half black or what have you when you may not be all European. She's all American baby:-)

Lisa - posted on 07/26/2009

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If you truly want to understand why you have heard a child is considered the ethnicity of their fathers, it comes from when there was slavery. It was called the "Grandfather Clause" which stated if your grandfather was black then you were. One drop!! but besides the history lesson, I am 32 multi ethnic woman. I am native American, African American, Irish, German, French, and Russian. Must people think Im Puerto Rican. I am human and so is everyone else. I have three daughters and I consider them mocha. When I was a child you could only chose the black or white box, now our children have a choice to mark all that apply or a biracial box. It really doesn't matter. Help you child understand that they are an individual first that was brought into this world with love. Raise you child to be color blind, not recognizing that a person is black, brown, white, red or what ever. Just teach them to love themselves. Help your child to understand that the world is a rainbow and that differences are to be appreciated. Your child will be classified as what you allow him to be classified as. Don't limit your child, affirmative action is over. We have a multi ethic President. Tell your child they are what ever they want to be. No one can force you to mark a box either, so help make a difference and don't mark any if you don't feel it is right.

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Flora - posted on 01/01/2013

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It all depends. In the US, more resources are allocated to communities based on what census category is mentioned. Ceasar's things to Ceasar, and God's things to God.

You tell your kids that the world will perceive them a certain way depending on where they are. It is a lot easier than it was when I was younger. People in the military have basically seen every combination of human beings, they tend to be less stringent in their racial views. Now, it is not to day that a dark skinned person is self-hating or racist. Try to love you for you, be proud of your Italian heritage and your husband should be proud of his Haitian heritage. Your children are so fortunate to have such a rich cultural heritage! I envy your dinner table during the holidays!

Allpeople - posted on 01/01/2013

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@ Nitra,

Your response is completely inaccurate!!

The child would be of 'Mulatto' Lineage (which is a
type of Biracial/Mixed-Race/Multiracial admixture).

The racist-'One-Drop Rule' was BANNED
in the U.S. waaaayyyy back in 1967.

Again, the child is of 'Mulatto' Biracial
/ Mixed-Race / Multiracial Lineage.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

http://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/...

No non-racist should ever embrace the
(now banned) racist-'One-Drop Rule'.
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-- AllPeople (AP) Gifts
(soaptalk AT hotmail DOT com)
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Nitra - posted on 01/01/2013

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To be honest the baby would be black at the end of the day especially if the daddy is black. I was raised you are what your father is. Although you may be white it doesn't take away from you being the mother, most likely the baby will be considered black.

I know that we are not in slavery times, however mixed children were considered black not white.
and a lot of people still see it this way.

Melinda - posted on 12/14/2012

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Hi Rachel...
I didnt see or read the comment by Michael....would you kindly share what this person commented on....it doesnt sound too good but im always curious to see what "some haters" and insecure racist have to say.....

Katie - posted on 12/13/2012

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I know! how awful. I reported it too.

Why would someone come on here to be hateful?

Rachel - posted on 12/13/2012

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I wasn't talking about you, Katie. Am I the only one who can see the n word comment by Michael?

Katie - posted on 12/13/2012

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Katie



I'm very sorry I should not have posted a link like that. I'm new here.

Thanks to those who read it. I appreciated the feedback.



I'm working on another web page. I wonder if I can post that?

Rachel - posted on 12/13/2012

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How do we report the comment above? I hit the report button but nothing happend.

Melinda - posted on 12/10/2012

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Hi Katie.

Very interesting and valid points-thank u. Last nite i watched Black in America and they too were touching on race and ethnicity....and some of the kids interviewed did share that although they have one parent who is white...society on the whole judges them on their skin colour. some find it difficult to be accepted in either the black or white community and as far as ethnicity-it is pretty much same division. Its pretty sad in todays day and age

Katie - posted on 12/09/2012

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I have a degree in anthropology and I work with high risk kids.



I just created a posting on IMBD for some of my teens who like a particular actor who is of multiethnic decent like they are.



Is is specifically on ethnicity and is pro ethnicity since these Kids already know about race. Some of the kids consider themselves BI Racial but are looking for other ways to express themselves due to bullying.



you might want to check it out.



http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0589505/board...

Milicent - posted on 12/07/2012

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Love this!!!! 100% adorable. And no matter where we all come from or are made up of... Everyone 100% beautiful and blessed. So grateful for this thread and dialogue. Thank you everyone!

Milicent - posted on 12/07/2012

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Amen to that Rachel, completely agree. Interesting that society does not consider white people of multi European decsents mixed.

Rachel - posted on 12/07/2012

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I think I won't even answer the question for my daughter because it is silly. I'm sure I can't even answer that question correctly nor can anyone else for that matter. If we all did DNA testing you'd see that the vast majority of people are of a mixed race origin. Most Americans are of mixed ethnic background and people like me who have had many adoptions in my family history, can't even tell you exactly what ethnicities they are. I know my nationality and the race that society labels me. But seriously,why do you need to label my daughter a certain race anyways? Who the hell cares! She's 100% adorable!

Rachel - posted on 12/07/2012

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Ethnicity and race are two different things. I'm white but I'm Irish and whole bunch of different things. They would be of mixed race or bi-racial.

Milicent - posted on 12/05/2012

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Jen, I do the same I do not choose and always acknowledge both sides when filling out forms. AllpeopleGifts, I appreciate your thoroughness and awareness, you understand the point I aimed to articulate. Essentially what Melinda has shared. The world judges more on skin color than on actual identity. Melinda, our experience is the same but opposite. Imagine now, if you as Caucasian were the daughter and your dark skinned daughter was the mother and have to face society's quagmire of wanting to privilege your white child but simultaneously oppressing you. There should never be color divisiveness within families, people should just recognize love and families are and can be universal. Even if disagree, I am grateful to find this board and dialogue. Thank you.

Melinda - posted on 12/05/2012

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The hard truth reality is this.......society ....will address u based on your skin colour.....im "caucasian" and have had to live and witness the reality of the racism my dark skinned child has had to endure. You can say your child is half white half black.....whatever.... but at the end of the day, most (not all) will label him or her based on their skin colour--thats the truth! Trust me....i dont put up with that ignorance or keep my mouth shut, but unfortunately, these children are classified into one.

Allpeople - posted on 12/05/2012

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Please be advised of the following:

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The 'African-Americans' are NOT a "Black"

RACIAL Group -- NOR is the ETHNIC term

of 'African-American' a Synonym for the

"Black" "Black" RACE -- NOR is it a

reference to the "Black" RACIAL group.

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The 'African-Americans' are a relatively small

and very unique ETHNIC grouping of people

and they do NOT have any one, singular "look".

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In addition, although the majority of the members

of this unique and specific ETHNIC group --

(which, again, is NOT the same group as the

"Black" RACIAL group) -- are of a 'continually

Mixed-Race' lineage -- most were FALSELY

categorized as being RACIALLY "Black"

as a result of the racist-'One-Drop Rule'

(which was banned in the U.S. in 1967).

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Related Links:

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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http://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/...

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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http://www.facebook.com/notes/%C2%ADallp...

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Jen - posted on 12/05/2012

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This is a good question, they always ask this when you fill out paper work, I always put more than one race for my daughter who is Italian and Pacific Islander

Milicent - posted on 12/05/2012

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I am of Haitian descent and my Husband is European. As we accept that our child is honestly closer to white we have found Caucasian biracial or white biracial with a black mother suits our family. Every multiracial family is unique and children of the same parents may have different racial identities. Note, if our child looked African American we would phrase his identity as black biracial with a white father. No matter what honor both parents. God Bless and best wishes!

Melinda - posted on 12/03/2012

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i put both...im white and hes black.....and went as far as putting my country of birth and his dads

Melinda - posted on 12/03/2012

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yes...my son is dark and classed as balck my daughters lighter and classifed light brown....have yet to see bi racial

Constance - posted on 11/27/2012

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I think the most intelligent answer was check the box "other" especially if the child appears bi-racial or "mixed". Later in life, they can decide their identity. I am bi racial raised in a Latin community . Many "Black" people make a mistake of assuming I identify with them. My daughter's father, my husband, is "White" Scottish. The grammar school considers her mixed. Her skin is pale and her is straight. Her features are rather sharp. Phenotypically, she is White and considers herself so--though I don't consider "White" to be an exclusive country club, that is her decision. She knows both parent's lineage and, as long as she's considered pretty, she really could care less. However, her environment has little diversity but strong in treating people as God's children. If you want your child to identify with Blacks, let him/her. If it's both races, that's good. I think a concern should be the quality of parenting. Isn't that most important? Raising an honorable child?

Allpeople - posted on 11/26/2012

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There is actually no such thing as a so-called "Light-Skinned

Black" person ... but rather ... such individuals and groups

are actually people who are of a 'Multi-Generational

Multiracially-Mixed' (MGM-Mixed) Lineage that some may

have been pressured or encouraged to ignore or downplay.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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People of Mixed-Race lineage should NOT feel pressured to

'identify' according to any standards other than one's own.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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The legal -application of the racist-'One-Drop Rule'

(ODR) was banned in the U.S. way back in 1967.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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http://www.facebook.com/groups/253286018...

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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http://www.facebook.com/groups/253286018...

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Listed below are related Links of 'the facts' of the histories

of various Mixed-Race populations found within the U.S.:

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There is no proof that a 'color-based slave hierarchy'

(or that 'color-based social-networks') ever existed

as common entities -- within the continental U.S.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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It was the 'Rule of Matriliny (ROM) -- [a.k.a. 'The Rule of Partus'

(ROP)] -- and NOT the racist-'One-Drop Rule' (ODR) -- that was

used to 'create more enslaved people' on the continental U.S.

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This is because the chattel-slavery system that was

once found on the antebellum-era, continental U.S.

was NOT "color-based" (i.e. "racial") -- but rather

-- it was actually "mother-based" (i.e. 'matrilineal').

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http://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/...

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There were many ways (and not solely the sexual assault

and sexual exploitation of the women-of-color) in which

'white' lineage entered the familial bloodlines of

enslaved-people found on the continental U.S.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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An 'Ethnic' category is NOT the

same thing as a "Race" category:

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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http://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/...

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Other Topics:

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https://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/279223868853420

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https://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/164203590359746

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http://www.facebook.com/notes/%C2%ADallp...

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Carradine - posted on 11/20/2012

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I was told tht also. Im blk and my 3 yr old daughter father is white. He is german irish and other nationalitys as well. But they consider her white.

Jaclyn - posted on 10/23/2012

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Marlana, the race of a person is based on their parents. A child has genes from Mom and Dad, not just Mom.

Marlania - posted on 10/23/2012

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medically speaking, the race of the child is based upon the mother's race. Not the color of the child's skin.

Lennon - posted on 10/22/2012

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Hi, well I don't know. Where I'm from its the same like if there is a biracial baby, they tend to go to whatever race they are besides white. So if there half white half mexican they classify thereslef as mexican. If there half black and half white they classify there self as black. To me i don't care. And i don't think people should care about race. I am white. not full but mostly yeah, i look white and stuff , my voice sounds like barry white which throws people off. i got little german irish , italian in me and my grandpa is half native american crow indian. but i look white. So i like to use my voice and show people that race don't matter. I am white and i love hot sauce and spicy food. i like all types of thing SO STOP BEING RACIEST IT DOENST MATTER!!!! GEEZUS BE THANKFULL TO BE ALIVE LOVE TO LIvE AND LIVE OT LOVE OK !!!!!!!!!!!!! BE HAPPYYY JUST BE HAPPY! ok stop people don't worry bout the color of ur skin ok :) ur good just the way u are :)

Qui - posted on 10/21/2012

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generally in our society, unless your child is pure bred white, they are considered whatever the other is....I have a bi-racial sister who looks as white as snow, but you would probably get punched in the mouth by her if you told her she was white. She only identifies with her black side of the family.

Alaneah - posted on 10/21/2012

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okay well my fiancee is bi racial and ive heard all the storys so i can give you great detail my fiancee is half black native and french so they ended up with straight hair and light brown skin they have also lived in all parts of society so the experience with interactions is endless. from a youths point of view if a white kid sees them they are black and if a black kid sees them they are white and this is from lower class society once you move up to middle class and higher they will be seen as black if they come out with straight hair they will be constantly asked is your hair real if they are light skinned most blacks wont take them serious and call them white and then it also depends on your child's personality and appearance thats actually the biggest part if they act a certain way like a ghetto black person his black peers will say he is trying to hard and if he acts proper then hes all of a sudden a wanna be white boy this world is full of cruel and judgmental people i cant stress enough how you have to teach them that everyone is different and how to cope with ignorant people. bi racial's are more welcomed into different groups but then also criticized a lot as well.

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My friend an I was just talking about this just the other day. She is white and her husband is black. I am black an my younger kids father is white. I was telling her the last I heard is that the kids where classified by the race of the father. She an I both agreed that the decision should be up to the kid. But until then the parent has to say what the child's race is. If you have not noticed they have places now where you can mark other. I don't know about you but my child has a race and other is not it. My friend said when she had her son 16 yrs ago the law changed to say that a child is classified by the race of the mother. I think that is more appropriate. Even though the child should be able to say when they get older. The saying is always true. The child comes out of their mothers an so many girls lie about who their child's father is that this may be the main reason the laws changed to say its determined by the mothers race. Regardless of who the father is the mother there is no question on who the mother is. I'm not trying to step on anybodies feet I'm just saying. Don't get me wrong there are some really good dad's out there an I do give them my up most respect an this is nothing that I have against any man or boy.

Jaclyn - posted on 10/18/2012

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Your child would be considered haitian and white. My child's father is black and I'm white and native. So that means my son is German, Native American, Irish, Polish and African American. Your child should learn about all his/her ethnic backgrounds and culture.

Triwan - posted on 10/18/2012

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I don't see what the problem is. On any form where it ask for race, why not just check both black and white if that's what they are?

Jaclyn - posted on 09/26/2012

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Both! I'm German, Irish, Indian & Polish. My son is German, Irish, Indian, Polish and black. His Dad is black, doesn't mean you leave out the mothers ethnicity. : )

Leona - posted on 09/24/2012

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THE COMMENT MADE A FEW TIMES ABOVE WHERE PEOPLE CLASSIFIED CHILDREN BY WHAT THEIR FATHER IS, IS JUST RIDICULOUS. IF A BLACK WOMAN AND A WHITE MAN HAVE A CHILD, THIS CHILD CAN NOT AND WILL NOT BE CLASSED AS WHITE. SO Y SHOULD IT BE DONE IF THE SITUATION IS REVERSED. WE SHOULDN'T PUT PPL IN A BOX AND SHOULD ACCEPT THAT MANY PPL ARE MIXED NOWADAYS, SOME MIXED WITH 2 RACES AND EVEN 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT RACES, HOW WOULD WE CLASS THOSE PPL? MIXED PEOPLE SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO SAY THEY R MIXED. END OF.

Vanessa - posted on 09/19/2012

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Hey Kevin, the first humans were all BLACK. Just a little education for your ignorant, racist self.

Valerie - posted on 09/19/2012

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The infants race was determined by the father or one drop rule etc... until 1989. It was never official before that date, always based on bias etc.. since 1989 the race of a child has been determined by the race of the mother. If you are white, your child is white. A direct quote from the office of Management and Budget and information and Regulatory Affairs, called "Standards for Classification of Federal Data on Race and Ethnicity" reads as such.



"Since 1989, the National Center for Health Statistics has tabulated birth data according to the mother's race." This does not mean that the father's race and culture is not important, it simply means that the child is classified as white, because you are. You should encourage the child to recognize both cultures and ethnicity. I hope this helps you and others.

Eowyn - posted on 09/18/2012

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Multi-racial. My mother is Hispanic, but my father is white. I have some of the Spanish characteristics but I look white, so sometimes on surveys etc. I put Hispanic because I'm proud of that heritage. I think that multi-racial is a good thing to be classified as, but the child may decide differently as he/she ages.

Nina - posted on 09/11/2012

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I'm "black" and my husband is "white"; I put it in "" because I have a very Multiethnic background, but, I'm brown and people would categorize me as "black", I don't mind that, I just abhor being referred to as African-American because, well...too long a story; I don't go there right now. lol





But, about our girls (ages 15 and 10 years old)...they are either listed as "two or more races" or "multiethnic"...



I try to stay in the middle. My children are just as black as they are white and if we broke it down by the family tree, they're probably a lot more of a lot of things and black is their smallest percentage.



It's not so much I'm trying to distance our girls from their "black" side, it's just that in history, there have been so many people who have had this "one drop rule" in their heads and it's not just one group, it's been many and they feel it's "alright"...but, it's not.



I don't see children who are "mixed" as "black" or "white", I see them as individuals with a mixed ethnic ancestry; but, in a way, almost all of us do, it just seems more apparent when we're leaning toward looking more one than the other...



Being that I come from American Indian ancestry also, I feel pretty passionate about that side of my roots because I don't want to distance myself from what my father brought to my identity.



So, with all this being said, many would suggest a child is what his or her father was and I believe many places go by whatever the parents claim their children to be. I'm okay with the latter...let the parents decide.



When it seems to really "matter" is when you're sending your children off to college and you're trying to fill out forms for scholarships; that's just about where I'm at in a couple of years. I will see how that works out and get back to you all.

Felicia - posted on 09/07/2012

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My mother is bi-racial (half black / half italian -mixed), she was born in 1942 and she always says that she is black. It's the crazy laws that were put that in place therefore until that is changed the mixed folks will be considered black even if they look white or of equal parts of their parents. Even though they have a box that you can check off that says bi-racial, you will still be considered black, the law was that if you have a drop of a black person's blood you are not considered pure (white).

Sam - posted on 09/06/2012

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Seriously, why would you have to 'classify' yourself based on one parent or the other? Sounds insane to me. We're human beings.

Nora - posted on 09/06/2012

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If there's a box for bi-racial I will click that - if not I'll just click both Caucasian AND African-American. And that's what I'll teach my daughter to do. And I don't care what people will tell me. I would fight this one down. We all know our kids are 50/50 white and black so that's what I'll put on a paper. And if someone has a problem with that that will not be my problem. Let that be theirs. I doubt someone will take you to court or whatever - and if they do I'll be happy to have opened a national big case. I will not accept 5% black in you means you're just black. My husband's Grandma was half Native-American - no-one cares about that - she didn't get no priviliges or anything - neither does he. He sometimes thinks if he should just click 'other' due to that fact. We also wonder why they call blacks 'African'-Americans. So what about all the white people - I would be 'German' then (cause I'm not American at all) - others would be 'Irish-White', 'French-White'... and so on... wherever their long ago heritage is from - cause ultimately noone is from America except Native Americans - and you see noone cares if you have 5% Native-American in you. Discrimination has to end. And that's all they're trying to do. So - I click what it is. That's it. In my opinion that whole clicking ethnicity needs to end period. America is the only country i Know that has that on forms!!! In Europe I have never seen that you click any of that stuff.

Sara - posted on 09/04/2012

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I have 3 bi racial children and I was alwaystold they are what the mother is. My 2 oldest, both over 18, look more black so they have been forced by society to choose black when a multiple race answer is not available. My youngest that is 15 and whiter looking skin than me, chooses black by choice since society doesn't see her as black when they look at her and she wants to assure the association with both races.

Vanessa - posted on 08/31/2012

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When I filled out the paperwork & BC's I marked both since they are both. I live in AZ, not sure if all states do that however.

Myra - posted on 08/30/2012

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I believe bl/cau would be correct. Because the child would actually be both. My grandchilds mother is black and his father is white. Race is not important to us. We love him no matter what race he is. : )

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