Is anyone else bothered that Obama is thought of as the first "black" president and not "mixed"?

Nicole - posted on 02/17/2010 ( 165 moms have responded )

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I am so proud of Barack Obama for all that he has accomplished and becoming the president of the United States but I am bothered that he is known as the first "black" president when he is actually mixed. My daughter is half black half white. I want her to be so proud of that. I don't want her to grow up and say "I'm black" when asked or be categorized that way. She is both black and white. I think that is the greatest thing ever. We have came so far since the days of slavery and should celebrate that. I wish that President Obama would make more of a stand for who he really is and be an example for all the other mixed children in America and around the world. I feel like choosing one side or race over the other is forgetting half of your family and half of who you are. I could go on forever about this but I'll stop here. Am I the only one that feels this way? I want to hear your thoughts...

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Kasha - posted on 02/19/2010

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Ladies, I hear where your coming from. However, he has experienced life as a black man. That is how he sees himself. No one can define you but you. Everyone of our children will identify themselves differently than our preferred LABEL to them. I am from a multi-ethnic background but I am fine with being black. That has been my experience. When I walk out the door no matter how straight or curly my hair, People say ahh what a beautiful black girl, que bonita la morenita. I am okay with that...now why not the rest be okay with that. But then if he identified as mixed that would be okay too. It is his choice.

And yes society loves labels. So with that raise children with strong sense of self not color. Sometimes our own issues can be bestowed upon our kids negatively. Enough bad stories on tragic mulatto ie Mariah Carey. Love her though. More respect for Alicia Keys ...she has never had to define herself by being mixed but Alicia who sings through the black experience regardless if she's mixed. Hope that all made sense. Basically let us define ourselves and the rest be okay with that.

Rita - posted on 02/17/2013

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I am a proud Black American woman married to my loving Honduran husband. To our loving union we are blessed with two beautiful boys (that many have always said "thy're too pretty to be boys"). I'm wondering how did you classify your children on their birth certificates. I've always been curious as to how does white mothers label their babies when their babies are fathered by a Black man (just always been curious). On my babies birth certificate, I listed them as Black (as I am a proud Black American woman). My husband never asked me about (to this day) as he's not one to see color; all he's ever seen is a human being (I might add a beautiful & proud Black woman of a human being that he loves & is spending the rest of his life with). I feel sad for your children Nicole that you're making such a big issue out of nothing. Give me a break. I don't care that President Obama is biracial (what does it matter?) he is [STILL] a BLACK man and will always be seen as a BLACK man. Should the KKK see him or any other bi-racial person (having BLACK in the mixture) I'll surmise that they would care-less that they actually have (your precious 'WHITE' race in the mixture). I'm sure the the KKK would consider your precious WHITE race as being TAINTED due to the BLACK race being added to the mix, so please stop the madness and I'm hoping you do not talk such nonsense to your children, because if you do your children will be faced with all sorts of confusion in their lives. When people see your children, they will see (although mixed) but black children. Be proud of your offspring & give thanks to GOD for blessing you with them and do not taint their minds with [your racial nonsense!] That's just my educated thought on the matter . . . let go of the foolish thoughts.

User - posted on 03/21/2012

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When I look at Barack Obama I see a black man, if he was waiting for a cab the cab would keep going. Real talk

Denise - posted on 02/19/2013

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Who cares? I am bi-racial and I identify with one race more than the other but it in no way means that I ignore my heritage on either side. I have learnt about both cultures and enjoy different parts of each. It was actually a surprise to me the first time someone told me I was not black, and I took offense to that because I am black however I am also Indian(east Indian), It also offends me when people say derogatory things about east Indians and I calmly look at them and say "you know I am half east Indian and half of my family is east Indian so are you saying that about my family?" My experience in this society has been of a black woman because when people look at me they place me based on my appearance rather than stopping to ask hey are you "mixed"? Kyrie I understand that your experience has been a rough one but you are being so generalized in what you are saying. Black Americans are not the only black people, there are black people ALL OVER THE WORLD. However in this society the USA the disparity between the races have been so ingrained it is difficult to break out of it. My sister in doing her residency at Harvard, she has gotten scholarships throughout her college life, including getting a scholarship to do her MD PhD, in other words she is extremely smart and dedicated however she has been subject to racial harassment by some of her peers and professors at Harvard. So yes even "black" people who are trying to excel are subject to racial discrimination. If the president wants to identify as black that is his right, if I want to identify as black it is also my right, if you want to identify as mixed then that is your right. No one should be forced to identify one way or another including identifying as "mixed", I don't think there is a right or wrong way to identify its just based on your personal choice or experience, and we should be OK with how a person chooses to identify.

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Jessica - posted on 07/25/2013

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What bothers me more is his running the country into the ground. Skin color has nothing to do with his failures.

Teena - posted on 02/19/2013

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I'm blaque and my ex husband is whyte and we have a 25 year old daughter. Although she doesn't deny her father she has always identified as blaque. This is without knowing that it was determined a long tyme ago that if you were 1/8th blaque, you're blaque. So no, I don't have a problem with it. Did it bother you when Bill Clinton was declared the first blaque president?

Amy - posted on 02/19/2013

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You are right about this, my children are mixed too (white and Hispanic) and I want them to be proud another Mixed person was able to become president. He really should push the issue that he is a mixed race, not just black. I'm thinking that mainly came from blacks that were just happy that someone with a darker skin tone was elected, not once but twice in a row. And I do remember when he first got into office and the debates with his college and birth certificate arose people were mad because we, white people, just wanted to reenforce that he isn't all black and a huge racial debacle came out of it. The world as we know it is still dividing itself because of skin pigmentation. I agree that slavery is over and that people need to see the world as it is today, we are a mixing bowl. We are no longer told we cannot associate with another race based solely on their skin pigment. So why is it we are teaching our children that they cannot associate with another, especially if they are mixed. Thats where the life long issues start. Tell a black/white child all the bad things the white race did in the PAST and they will grow to hate themselves because they themselves are part white. Tell a hispanic/white baby that most of the country blames hispanics for 'stealing' their jobs and show them what hispanics have to deal with they will start to hate the hispanic side of themselves. So as long as we keep showing children that we are not equal they will continue to treat others as if they are not equal. They best thing I could have done as a parent is show my first born that there is no difference in color, its how we treat each other that matters. I am white and my husband is hispanic. My daughter doesn't even know that we are two different colors. The only difference she sees is black from white and only because of the extent of the shade difference. But when brought to the park she will never treat anyone different. Black, white, hispanic, indian, asian she doesn't care. As long as they will play with her she is ready. So parents need to look at how they treat others too, Obama is a good role model for mixed children on how far they can go as long as they have the love and support. And yes he should try to straighten out that he is the 'first black president.' But don't just leave it up to him. Tell your biracial kids that they may hear bad things but it don't mean that one part of them is better then the other.

Audrey - posted on 02/19/2013

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As a black dutch woman, I find it hard to relate to all the black/white issues in the USA. I do understand that the impact of slavery on how black and white people interact is totally different from how black and white interacts in The Netherlands.
I am married to a white guy, so my children are also mixed race. Over here you will never have to choose between ticking box black or ticking box white, so my kids will probably never experience the difficulty of choice in that area. And again, I do understand that you would want your kids to have a choice and not be forced to either pick black or white.
But wouldn't you think president Obama has enough battles to pick and to hopefully win than to also have to fight off the label black?

Ndeya - posted on 02/19/2013

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I think most people are missing a big point here...is that to President Obama, it doesn't matter!! He doesn't care if he is seen as mixed or Black! He doesn't care if you call him mixed or Black!! HE knows his family, and its obvious he LOVES his white side!! We've heard him talk about his mother and grandmother with so much LOVE.

So, WHY are so many people "bothered" about an issue that is irrelavent? Racism is more important and more of an issue than whether folks are called mixed, biracial, Black, White, or other. Why do you care what he calls himself??? Folks are still experiencing racial profiling and police brutality based on race or appearances. Do you even care?

My sons know their president looks like them!! And my sons' parents are both Black Americans who do not know their entire lineage. Do you think we talk about "well, our President is actually mixed..." NO!!

Melissa - posted on 02/19/2013

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It doesn't bother me. It's like when I watched an episode of Tia & Tamera a few weeks ago...they are both white and black but due to thier skin tone they identify as black before anything. Obama being seen as the first black president doesn't bother me because he coud have the same mindset as the twins Mowery twins do. It's all how each individual sees themselves.

I get what you are saying about your daughter though. My family is German, French, Norwiegan, and Australian Aboriginal (black for those who don't know). My ex is white, Filiphino and American Indian. My daughter identifies herself at 6 1/2 as Filiphino more then anything. It's not bothersome to me. I want her to know about all of her backround but in the end she has to decide how she sees herself and be comfortable with that. She appears white but once people know she is asain they say they can see it. She carries the features well and regardless I will stand by her side. I do not see myself as white even though others do, I am mixed, a mutt if you will say because there is NEVER proper box on any kind for forms. At least if she identifies as asain more then anything she can mark the damn box on forms as being asain. I've over the years just left shit blank because I'm tired of being forced into a group I do not belong.

Ndeya - posted on 02/19/2013

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I find it interesting that so many people are "bothered" with how he chooses to identify himself. He went through things that none of you have gone through. The reality is he has experienced life as a "Black" man - no matter how much that bothers you, white people, or other mixed people. It seems as if most of you who are so bothered by this are totally missing the point - that it is an ENTIRE different experience growing up as a Black man!!!

I have a girlfriend who is mixed Black and White and who actually looks mixed - very light skinned, and have seen her get special treatment from a cop because she "looked honest". Most mixed guys are seen as Black in front of the law. The Rodney King incident was not that long ago. Do you know what its like to get stopped by the police and to be afraid for your life?? I don't think many of you do.

Just because someone heavily identifies with something does not mean they do not identify with anything else. I am a Black woman, and I identify with being Black in America more than I identify with being a woman. Does that make me not a woman? Does this mean that I am choosing one identity over another? Does this mean I am not proud of being a woman?

To address Nicole's concerns - choosing one side or race over the other is does NOT mean you are forgetting half of your family and half of who you are - no matter how strongly you personally feel about it. And why would being both black and white be the greatest thing ever? Why is that greater than being just Black or just white, or something else?

LeJoy - posted on 02/19/2013

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Honestly, I totally agree with you on that. Unfortunately, most people who aren't connected to two races somehow don't. I am black and my kids are mixed. I love my little caramel babies, who are 7 and 13. They are beautiful inside and out. I am attempting to connect them with both races, but with the world being as it is, its kind of hard for them to do. My grown, but young, niece and nephew who are also mixed and have both embraced their black sides more than their white sides. I want my kids to have pride in their entire heritage and it isn't easy to teach them when most people have a different view. I once purchased a set of dictionaries that were the 40's. There are words to define a person who is from 1/2 black (mulatto, of course), all the way down to 16th black, which is a hexadecaroon. There are also words to describe someone who has a mulatto parent and a white parent and another to describe someone who has a mulatto parent and a black parent. These can be found today online. - The bottom line is that the world will see anyone with a drop of black blood as a black person. is it right? No. It isn't, but that's the way it is. I remember telling my son, the 13 year old when he was about 8 that I realize he currently bonded and identified with his white side more, but the world would see him as a black man. I told him it was just fine to be who and what he was and to embrace all the sides of him, but don't be fooled into thinking the world would see things that way. I hate it and I told him so. Its something we just need to do. Halle Berry was the first black... right, so her mom is white. Not cool that she goes down in history as an amazing award winning black actress when she is also mixed. Even I have Mexican, American Indian, French, and Irish floating around in my genes, but I happen to be milk chocolate in color. My mom had 2 black parents and was the shade of my kids, a light honey beige. So beautiful. - Anyway, I really appreciate your comment, and totally agree. I guess its out job as parents to encourage our kids to appreciate all sides of themselves and keep fighting for Mixed instead of Other on forms/documents, keep pointing out inconsistencies like calling someone who is mixed black and using our voice to be heard. Discussions like this help. Good job.

LeJoy - posted on 02/19/2013

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I completely agree. My kids are mixed and I am the black one. Unfortunately, it's notthe way things work. There are and have always been a whole lot of people who care about even an ounce of black in a person. In fact I had a dictionary from the 40's that had words created for all levels of black from what we know as mulatto, or half black all the way down to a 16th black. I thought that was amazing. They care so much there were official words for these people in the dictionary. What is happening here with the president proves what I have always told my kids: You can think of yourself however you'd like. You can connect with my people or you fathers people more or you can embrace both sides, which I prefer... But the world will still see you as black. It's just how it still works. Even I, a delicious shade of milk chocolate, have French, Irish, Mexican and American Indian from my Grand paren

Soaptalk - posted on 02/18/2013

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Even IF Obama were of full-Black Lineage
-- he still does NOT fit the accurate definition
for being a member of the 'African-American' ETHNIC group.
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Obama is 1/2-Black -- he is NOT 1/2-African-American.
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Why can people NOT understand that the ETHNIC term
(and people grouping) called 'African-American' is NOT
the same thing as the RACIAL term of 'Black'?
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Soaptalk - posted on 02/18/2013

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THAT IS A COMPLETE LIE -- ANDYOU ARE A LIAR !!!!!

The U.S. Constitution lists the law of the land ... not rules on so-called
"racial" admixtures, genius; the term of 'African-American' (which, by
the way, is NOT a synonym for 'Black', Einstein) was NOT even used
when the Constitution was drafted, stupid (nor is it found in any of
the Amendments); the term of 'African-American' (AA) is a reference
to a very-specific ETHNIC group (and is NOT a reference to the
'Black' RACE group); AND the U.S. Supreme Court BANNED
the racist-'One-Drop Rule' waaaaaaaay back in
1968 as part of the 'Loving vs. VA' decision!!!!
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LaLasha - posted on 02/17/2013

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Not at all. You don't get to decide how he identifies. He does. He picks black, get over it. Oh and don't call us mixed, we aren't a drink.

Ann - posted on 02/17/2013

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No your not, I have three half black grand daughters and they are very intellegent..One of them has a signed letter from the President because of her high grades...I am very prowd of her and it should be known that they are not just black but other races too! Personally we are American Indian, Itilian, Jewish, and English and probably from some lands I didn't even know we were from, the USA is just what it is a huge melting pot of every land....I'm with you Nicole!

Tina - posted on 02/17/2013

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Nicole..I understand what you are saying and how you feel although personally I really don't care how society see's President Obama or that he represents himself as a black man. I am a mother of 3 gorgeous biracial boys and I'm raising them as such, that people are people, we are ALL human beings. Yes I am white and Yes their father is black but it's not made into this huge issue. Both myself and my husband have other nationalities in our family make up, like my great grandfather was a pure Cherokee Indian. When anyone asks, they tell them that they are black and white or biracial and THEY know where they came from, at that's all that matters.
I think we must all decide how we want to raise our children and try to teach them right from wrong. There are going to be people BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC or whatever that will choose to act ugly or mean no matter what color you are or how you look (or what they might choose to label you as).
Rita, so glad "you're a proud Black American woman"..and you go on to preach about how blessed you are, however you read more in your post and you start to attack the "precious" white race. Your thoughts are not "educated" on the matter, people might look at Nicole's children and not know what race they are and for the record .."who cares"? They will see wonderful adorable children. You are the exact type of person that IS too racially minded and like to preach but all considered are very closed minded. Kyrie nailed it on the head with her last sentence...you illustrated it perfectly with putting the label of BLACK before American, and before being a Woman.

Kyrie - posted on 02/17/2013

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Rita, you don't have to put race on a birth certificate. They can't make you. Here in Montana, they don't even ask for it. Funny thing since we're turning into the new white pride capital and we still don't make a big enough deal about race to ask for it. I'm about 45% black and 55% white. My children are more white than anything with my daughter being white, then ashkenazi jewish, then black. My son is mostly white, then black. I marked them as mixed on the census. In their day to day lives, they consider themselves to be white. This would be fairly accurate since they are genetically mostly white. My mother always gave me the option of being what I wanted and we resented anyone choosing a race for me. I still resent it. I can always tell who is racist, ignorant, and closed minded by anyone who in any way thinks of me as black. I am PART black. I am PART white. I am not one or the other, and here in 95% white Montana, most people don't even put any thought into it. Nicole has every right to be upset by people enforcing wrong race labels. I also notice that most people calling themselves proud black people or proud white people are generally too racially minded. You are a person first. Why even throw in your race when labeling yourself? It implies that you think that has something to do with anything. It doesn't. Not aiming this at just you, but you illustrated it perfectly with putting the label black before american, and before being a woman...

Heather - posted on 02/17/2013

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I agree! As a mother of 2 gorgeous biracial children, I feel that we as a country should acknowledge our children as both equally white & black. As a white mother I feel hurtful that I wouldn't be acknowledged in my children's heritage! My husband & I will continue to teach our children that they will NOT have to choose the color that they identify themselves with, but will be equally proud that they are both!

Nicole - posted on 02/04/2013

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I just don't get people's arguments that it is America who labeled him as "black". Yes that's true. But isn't the point that he is America's leader so he should be making a stand for who he is and representing the biracial population? I think America labels him the way the do b/c they might not know any better. The biracial population hasn't had many people try to change the label.

Tammy - posted on 01/28/2013

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I suspect that because the president looks black, society treats it like he is black, period. Also, the way he behaves, it's almost like he's trying to erase his white heritage all together.

Tanya - posted on 01/28/2013

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Perhaps if Obama had spoken up from the beginning and said that is what he wanted to be acknowledged as do u think ppl would've caught on or continued to say black

Soaptalk - posted on 01/27/2013

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NO MIXED-RACE PERSON IS ASKING
TO BE "SEEN AS WHITE" -- GENIUS !!!

MIXED-RACE PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING
TO BE SEEN AS 'MIXED-RACE' !!!!

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT???!!
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Tanya - posted on 01/27/2013

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People have to realize white ppl will never look at Obama and say he is white no matter what most biracial kids will be seen as the minority race

Soaptalk - posted on 11/26/2012

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There is actually no such thing as a so-called "Light-Skinned

Black" person ... but rather ... such individuals and groups

are actually people who are of a 'Multi-Generational

Multiracially-Mixed' (MGM-Mixed) Lineage that some may

have been pressured or encouraged to ignore or downplay.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation...

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People of Mixed-Race lineage should NOT feel pressured to

'identify' according to any standards other than one's own.

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The legal -application of the racist-'One-Drop Rule'

(ODR) was banned in the U.S. way back in 1967.

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http://www.facebook.com/groups/253286018...

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There is no proof that a 'color-based slave hierarchy'

(or that 'color-based social-networks') ever existed

as common entities -- within the continental U.S.

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It was the 'Rule of Matriliny (ROM) -- [a.k.a. 'The Rule of Partus'

(ROP)] -- and NOT the racist-'One-Drop Rule' (ODR) -- that was

used to 'create more enslaved people' on the continental U.S.

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This is because the chattel-slavery system that was

once found on the antebellum-era, continental U.S.

was NOT "color-based" (i.e. "racial") -- but rather

-- it was actually "mother-based" (i.e. 'matrilineal').

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http://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/...

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There were many ways (and not solely the sexual assault

and sexual exploitation of the women-of-color) in which

'white' lineage entered the familial bloodlines of

enslaved-people found on the continental U.S.

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https://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/279223868853420

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https://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/164203590359746

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Lori - posted on 11/25/2012

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I agree with you 100%. I remember when President Obama was first elected as President and my son who is also bi-racial say mom he is just like me as tears rolled down his face. I harp on this all the time by both races saying he is a black president and when I correct them and say no he is bi-racial his mother was white their reply to me is in society he is considered black. I just wish society would get over the RACE thing because we all came from one man and in one way or another we are all mixed with something.

Vanessa - posted on 08/31/2012

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I wish he would speak up, but it must not be something he thinks about. I will make sure my children know his true heritage & that they can accomplish an amazing thing like being president too!

Angela - posted on 08/31/2012

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People are biased, and if you think that they aren't then you are delusional

Kyrie - posted on 08/31/2012

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But, obviously, not everyone sees him that way. Just people overly concerned with race and black "pride" and "black issues" which is why he played the black card. Many people accept that I'm simply mixed. Anyone insisting that I'm one think while ignoring the other is being highly inaccurate and biased.

Whitney - posted on 08/29/2012

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He's black. Mixed or not. That's what he is seen as. I'm mixed but know that's what society defined me as. And to those that say he doesn't act black. You can not act a race. You are a race. Where you grow up, who you grow up around. None of that can change what race you are relating to the African American community means you are black. You can't just say a person isn't a member because he grew up differently. That makes you yourself prejudice.

Angela - posted on 08/27/2012

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I Have two friends a couple that are both mixed black/white. They have olive / light brown complexions, one has sandy brown wavy hair and the other has black curly hair. They had a baby. Their daughter is pale complected blonde fine straight hair and blue eyed. she is 10 now and still has straight blond hair. So to see her you would never think that she was black at all. So what box will she check? When her parents check black?

Angela - posted on 08/27/2012

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Bbarack Obama identifies himself as a black man. So if that is what he feels, Why should that bother you.

Angela - posted on 08/27/2012

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Your daughter can identify herself however she chooses. But a white mother is doing a disservice to her child if you tell your kid that looks black that the are white. People are mean and sometimes hateful.mpeople will classify her based on what they see. Most aren't going to ask "what is you racial makeup".

Kyrie - posted on 05/21/2012

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In what way does he "act black"? He's not even related to african americans genetically or community wise having been raised the way he was. That statement made no sense.

Zeora - posted on 05/21/2012

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Society considers any person of mixed race what their most dominant appearance is.If your black/white and appear more black than what thats what you will be considered although everyone might know your mixed we all see tyger woods and would say hes black altough hes half asian. Kimora lee simmons appears asian although she is half black..

Candace - posted on 05/21/2012

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I'am not sure he does really. Its all politics. He gears himself towards african american for votes. Sad but true. its all for politics. Plus, I wouldn't want anyone pushing my children to choose one or the other so we shouldn't do the same on him. When you are talking about someone in politics all "standards, thoughts, and common ground" are thrown out the window.

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No one is bothered he is black okay. On his birth certificate he is black, he does not look like a mixed child he looks black and acts black and his wife and kids are black.

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you missed the entire point of my post kyrie



"I can't be partial to my race because I DON'T HAVE A RACE! I am mixed with multiple races. How can I think my race is superior?"



this comment right here tells me you don't understand what institutional racism is...like I said I suggest doing some research, check out Tim Wise, take a course on race relations, history, african-american studies...something.

Kyrie - posted on 05/12/2012

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It depends on what you wanted him to accomplish? I voted for him for gay rights, personally. He's done a lot of good for my cause just by not fighting the progress. As for unemployment. There are LOTS of jobs. People just refuse to move to get them. My cousin came here to work for 3 months from GA and applied to 14 places. 13 offered her jobs. She doesn't even have a high school diploma. I don't see illegal immigrants complaining. They are actually helping by moving in to take jobs that people refuse to move here to do. Everyone whines that it's too boring and cold. Well then a job must not be high in your list of priorities. lol. And he brought universal healthcare to the plate which is something that would at least get up partially back in the running to be one of the best countries in the world again. His plan just needs tweaking.

Stephanie - posted on 05/12/2012

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He really hasn't accomplished anything, if anything we are woes off. Unemployment being at its highest!!!!

Kyrie - posted on 05/07/2012

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You just tried to put a LOT of words in my mouth Autumn. No one is stopping anyone black from walking into a poll booth or voting absentee because of the color of their skin. The fact is, most people just do not vote. Studies have shown that minorities have a higher percentage of non voters out of eligible voters. you completely ignored the fact that I went to some of the worst schools down south. I put out examples of what happened there and you cry racism rather than look at facts. I'm not white and I did not pull this stuff out of my butt. My teachers were all black and obviously they went to college, but the kids did not want to learn and their parents weren't helping. It was so bad that they banned keeping kids back more than one year and most of the kids in fourth grade were still sounding out words! I learned just fine in the same school system. The difference? My mother made sure I did my work and supported my love of reading. Every teacher will tell you that a good teacher can teach with no supplies and the most of the smartest children with the best teachers will fail without support at home.

You are the one sounding really racist. They had white, black, and chinese slaves build this country. Slavery was not specific to one race. Hispanics and natives were treated like dirt, murdered for no reason, starved, etc. Yet, you see some native communities acting ghetto and others that have thrived. You see some hispanics that have turned to violence while others chose to acclimate. The same applies to all of these races. If it was racism keeping anyone down, then no one of a race would be able to make it. Stupidity keeps people down. Did you know that children were virtual slaves before the 50's? Of EVERY race. Did you know the average woman had between 7 and 11 children in her life time 100 years ago? Most people grew up broke and treated like slaves. Children watched siblings and parents die, had to go to work at very young ages, many were left at home alone or with siblings because of a lack of childcare and being able to afford it. Most people were sick, starving, dying, freezing. I know ALL about history. Black history was everything in the schools I went to in the south. In the north it's a lot of native american history and war history. Economics and politics, etc. As I've mentioned, I'm a sociology and psychology buff. Poor people today have it easy. You are telling the wrong person to learn history. How many african americans know who actually owned their slave relatives? I do. How many care enough to get up and find out their full history and genetic make up? Not many.

Peonage applied to everyone. Also, you clearly lack the ability to understand the meaning of an example. As for that book you mentioned, interesting read, but also very racist. It assumes that black people must be felons because our country is racist. It is yet another example of the black community refusing to accept or teach social responsibility. Something that people of every race who succeed understand. Everyone I know has been in consensus on one thing. If black people bonded together intelligently and refused to commit a crime, it would break the mold. If they all suddenly all worked hard to get good grades, it would break two stereotypes. The asian one and the black one of intelligence. I've never scored less than a 98% on a standardized test. On my ASVAB I scored 95%. I was offered the chance to be a nuclear physicist for the Navy. This is from someone who spend half of her life in the same environment that you claim keeps black people down and is half black and was raised half her life by her black mother and the black side of her family. So if I'm racist for repeating the American motto of "Where anyone can be someone if they work hard." then you have truly lost touch with reality.

On another note, you are a lot like my friend from Texas mentally. You just want to think that there's some big conspiracy, but there's not. Smart people and hard workers will always rise in the world while there will always be ignorant slackers who don't go anywhere. It's the beauty of capitalism.

Another hilarious fact. The definition of racist is- a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others. What race am I picking that I think is superior? Every race has losers. Every race has rich educated people. I've mentioned that. Every race has some seriously embarrassing history. It's funny how you are blind to every statement I've made except the parts that you single out as racist toward black people.

I can't be partial to my race because I DON'T HAVE A RACE! I am mixed with multiple races. How can I think my race is superior? Mixed people are so few and far between, raised so differently, made up of so many different mutt countries. How could I begin to relate to anyone enough to consider mixed people to be similar enough to be considered an actual race? Mixed people have no singular racial make up, no culture of their own, and no hair products that fit everyone the same or even close.

I'm done. I don't like dealing with people who take conspiracy theories seriously or people who are so blind to facts .Everything I've said is fact based. It either happened or has been supported by research. If you haven't figured it out by now then I'd rather go hit up someone in mensa before I get brain damage. This poor topic is being high jacked for no good reason.

Autumn - posted on 05/07/2012

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i used to be optimistic like you and think that everyone had an equal chance in the world and that racism was a thing of the past, but then I researched and experienced life and now I know better

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Please note that when Obama was born he was black back then and Black now. Read his book He never felt white

Autumn - posted on 05/07/2012

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can i be honest you sound racist against blacks... just going by your comments...the reason i say that is because you stereotype a lot and then you seem to imply that there's something wrong with black people as if they just can't get their sh-t together because they lack ambition or discipline...that implies that blacks are inferior and to me that's racist. have you ever taken a course in african-american studies...race relations? A lot of what you say is generalization after generalization and stereotypes...





1. “A big portion of what happens to blacks in this country today is based solely on how they act and the way they conduct their lives. I see a lot of "the man keeps me down", but a very low percentage of minorities vote. A very low percentage of minorities actually put any emphasis on education when it comes to their children and when their children grow up having refused to learn proper english or pass math and cannot properly do a job and refuse to show up regularly or conduct themselves maturely or behave appropriately in public...”

About the voting, I want you to do some research on the disenfranchisement of Blacks via voting laws that are in effect today. I would like for you to read up on ALEC.

Blacks don’t encourage their children to speak “proper English,” what is proper English most americans don’t’ speak “proper english.” About blacks not raising children to get an education : STEREOTYPE and a racist one at that. Also look at the systemized underfunded programs for poor African-American schools and compare that to white schools.

“did you know that even in this country natives killed each other over small things, white settlers killed each other and discriminated against each other because of what nationality they came from, and black kill each other to this day over gangs. It's not something specific to nor invented by any one race. “

Did you know Blacks were enslaved for 300 years and got no financial restitution, but yet this country was built off of the backs of their free labor. ¾ of the world’s cotton was produced in the south and this was used in the textile mills in north, which put the US on the map for industrialization?...

Did you know even years after slavery was legally abolished it continued in the form of peonage up untll the 1940s?

That;s for your decision making examples of bad decision making, but how does ur friend represent most black people?

Example no. 2: same thing, but I'm sorry you were abused.

“I have yet to meet a single person that racism has kept down,” again your bias and generalization. Look at he disparity in employment, health care, housing discrimination, prison industrial complex…check out the book the New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander…read up on history…and you’ll see things differently

Kyrie - posted on 05/07/2012

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A big portion of what happens to blacks in this country today is based solely on how they act and the way they conduct their lives. I see a lot of "the man keeps me down", but a very low percentage of minorities vote. A very low percentage of minorities actually put any emphasis on education when it comes to their children and when their children grow up having refused to learn proper english or pass math and cannot properly do a job and refuse to show up regularly or conduct themselves maturely or behave appropriately in public... Then they don't even try to get jobs that provide good medical and many end up on medicaid. It's not always racism that causes minorities to be treated badly. Race was not invented to keep anyone down and people of every race, no matter how grouped, have been trying to kill each other forever. did you know that even in this country natives killed each other over small things, white settlers killed each other and discriminated against each other because of what nationality they came from, and black kill each other to this day over gangs. It's not something specific to nor invented by any one race.

Here's an example of bad decision making: My black best friend, who I've called my wombie and sister because we've known each other since we were in our mothers' wombs, she does not work, smokes weed regularly, and her man who she calls her husband and refuses to marry because "in her words" getting married is just getting permission from the government to marry [so she doesn't need it]". She and he spent years living in his family members' homes and complaining about how they were treated. They've only just gotten an apt and car again (they had one years back and called me to ask me to pay their rent and lost the apt for not paying. They also asked me to cosign a car...) They claim there is no good work down there, yet they won't move here where there are jobs aplenty. Instead they want to join a new cult and try to be registered as an black indigenous people of america.... We offered to house them for free and loan them a car to get off their feet here and they turned it down. They chose the poverty they are in now because (in her words) "What makes us happy is not what makes you happy." Okay, but her happiness makes statistics for blacks in this country only worse.

Example 2. My cousin came here last fall. She was supposed to be moving here. Our poor family in GA scrounged up $500 to help her and a ticket to get her here. She refused to do all of her paperwork for public housing, did not take good care of her child (when she got mad at us she yelled at and smacked her 1 year old, the rest of the time she just ignored her and texted on her smart phone). My mother was letting her stay at her house rent free until she refused to go to work every day or do her paperwork for daycare or stay out of my mom's food (she had food stamps and my mother does not). So what did my cousin do? She said it was too cold here and bailed after 3 months. Out of 14 places she applied to here, 13 offered her a job. And she's pretty ghetto. And we are in the new white supremacy capital...

I have yet to meet a single black person that racism has kept down. When I was in school, I was the teacher's pet. I wanted to learn. Did any of the ghetto kids I went to school want to? Nope, they beat me up for being too white, speaking too "white" (because I spoke proper english and had a large vocabulary), not dressing black enough. I was told by many people trying to be helpful that if I just acted "black" I would be fine. So 6th grade, I did not wear my glasses, stopped being a bookworm and refused to touch a book, dressed like a scank, wore make up, curse scrapped, etc. And you know what? I made a ton of friends and got into way less fights. You know what else? My grades slammed into the gutter. So the only people keeping blacks down right now are blacks and what they think other blacks should act like. No one is stopping anyone from bettering themselves. As a child I was abused, starved, neglected and homeless. Now I'm middle class, on my second year of college, about to take on a second mortgage to have extra income from a rental property, and I make sure that my children get every learning opportunity that they can and live in a community where education is supreme and there is a zero tolerance policy for violence.

If I can do it, anyone can. As for research, I'm a bookworm. I love sociology, psychology, child development, and history. The reason why there are so many black people in jail? Because black culture puts crime over social responsibility. The reason why black people are undereducated in the studies? Because of black culture in america seeing education as bad. The reason for so much poverty? A large part is the number of children along with things like marriage. The less children you have, the more money and better education you and your children have. If you are poor, having less or no children is the best option for dragging your way to the middle class or higher. These things have been proven over and over again. I don't want to even go into how many poor people in general are at least on one illegal drug! They are illegal for a reason.... Don't get me wrong, these situations would do the same thing to any human regardless of race so why so many african americans perpetuate their circumstances I do not know. I'm just tired of so many people saying that whites are why poor people who are minorities are poor. There are lots of poor and undereducated white people too.

I will note here that I cannot speculate on hispanic communities (actual communities with their own cultures). All of the hispanics I met in ATL were crazy (in a very interesting way. Note: many were gang members). All of the ones I've met in the northwest act just like your stereotypical white person.

Autumn - posted on 05/06/2012

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I was not responding to you originally kyrie, but I will now. But in terms of race being used as a classification...race is a social construct, it's natural to group together and have classifications, but RACE meaning entire groups of people being categorized by skin color, hair and lumped together is relatively new. If you look back at history, you'll notice that people were categorized in other ways, their beliefs, their tribe or the land of their origin RACE is a white supremacist construct that was invented for economic reasons. it was was designed to separate those wealthy Europeans from the Blacks who were enslaved and then used to divide poor Europeans from the poor blacks and keep them from uniting against the wealthiest whites.Have you read Tim Wise? RACE is built in white supremacy. In terms of white supremacy not being a problem WOW...i URGE YOU to do some research on the prison industrial complex, the disparity in unemployment, the poverty rate, look at the disparity in health. there was even a study done on blacks mothers where they showed that when u control for wealth, education and health...black babies are more likely to suffer from infant mortality and low birth weight and this was attributed to the racism that black mothers endure during pregnancy. look at the schooling system in the United States and tell me which children are falling behind and which racial category they fall into. If you think white supremacy is a thing of the past, that's just one more reason that racism will never fall away and we'll always have issues. Until white supremacy is removed...we'll continue to have these problems.

my post may have been vague, but I think your post is vague too or at least it seems that way when you don't agree.

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