My 15 year old hates me, will not come home and wants to quit school. At what point do you give up?

Kathy - posted on 09/08/2012 ( 5 moms have responded )

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Four years ago I divorced my 3 children's father. It took a year to get him to leave the house after telling him it was over and it was a horrendous year. He pleaded for me to change my mind, I would not. Our 17 year marriage had never been stable and was rife with problems. Then he got angry and every night I would come home to him in my face yelling obscenities with the kids, 9, 11 and 15 listening. So I tried to stay away, physically and/or mentally. Things got alot better when I finally got him out, but four years later he is still full of anger and need for revenge for my having "ruined his life". My middle child, a girl, never wanted to go to her fathers. For reasons too long to explain her elder sister never went to her father's and she felt she should have the same right. Despite their father not paying one cent towards their support (and me having to take him to Court to force this), I saw what the lack of relationship with my eldest daughter was doing to her and did not want the same to happen to the younger. So I made her go. On his side, her father told her of course I made her go because I didn't want her around.



All this to say that 3 years later she called after one week into a 2 week vacation and said: that's it, I want to come home, I don't want to be here anymore. Because she was now 14 I told her that she had the right to that decision and allowed her to stop going. She stayed with me exclusively for 5 weeks and she visibly changed, happier and calmer. One night last I came home and she was not home. I have 2 rules in my house, I have to know where you are and you have to be home before dark. You can be at a friends if I know, but you cannot be hanging out in the streets. She broke both rules and I grounded her and took away her phone and computer. She called her father and left. He of course was thrilled as he'd been trying to get her or her brother to stay with him exclusively so he wouldn't have to pay as much. She has been there for a year now. At first I went crazy trying to get her to come home but was advised by one and all that she was "safe" with her father and I could not force it. She'd have to come back on her own. I would text her messages, send her gifts for her birthday or Christmas, ask her to participate in things. She never thanked or responded for 6 months. She finally did start communicating but it was sporadic and at the slightest provocation she would stop. I'd been going to the school meetings all year - he did not - and had arranged at the beginning of the school year for her to see a counsellor at school (she did not know it was through me and she loved going to this counsellor). I also arranged for her to go into a special program in Grade 10. She'd missed about 3 days a months during the time he had her only 2 days a week, so I doubted her attendance would be regular. She missed one day a week last year. Thank goodness I'd been on top of getting her into this special program because she failed 5 of her classes and would have had to repeat grade 9. This special program starts in grade 10 and she was still able to stay in, mostly because they were well aware of her situation and knew that she needed it. She stopped talking to me after I made her go to summer school for math. A prerequisite for being in the program. Not to pass, just to show effort and go to summer school. I pleaded and cajoled and am not embarrassed to say I finally resorted to paying her to go. Whatever worked. Just after finishing summer school, a friend got to her telling her the program was a jail and she'd hate it. I found out through my son that she told her father she was quitting school. To make a long story short, I think I have managed to convince her to go back. There was a series of starts and stops, her thinking she held all the cards. She said she'd go to school online and I finally "helped" her see that it would not be possible by searching for schools that always led to a dead end. I scared her into at least going and trying (there are alot of rules and its scary at first but ALL the kids end up loving the program). She went one day and quit again but then asked me to find out if she could go half the year and then switch. I lied. I told her she could after 2 terms. She bought it. I'll handle that crises in February and just pray she likes it by then.



All this to give you a background on what the last year has been. She says my home is not a home, but does not give a reason, or gives random reasons that just don't make sense. She has no relationship with any family - she fights all the time with her father according to her brother who is the only one who goes there and sees firsthand. She does not go on outings with them - either by choice or because her father does boy things with my son - fishing, sports. She is not a loner in that she has friends, but if she is not with them she's on her computer alone in her room. It is not a healthy life. Yet her father is taking me to court in November to get full custody. All so that he can stop paying for her and at the same time stop paying for my eldest daughter as she will not have anything to do with him.



So I guess my question is this - and I guess the teens out there might be best placed to shed some light because all the adults I know are totally stumped. You can't imagine how hard it is to keep mothering a child who wants nothing to do with me and is acting this way. So many people feel that she does not deserve the efforts I put in and that she's old enough to reap what she sows. I just can't get there long enough for it to stick. I do think sometimes, enough, she's just using me. But then I think - she's 15, there's no way I can hold her responsible and she needs to know that no matter what her mother never gave up. I am alone in this, I get that and I am so appreciative of the support I get from the school. Although now one week into the school year and she's only been once - even they just might give up. There are soooo many kids who had to repeat grade 9 and are begging to take her place.



So kids - adults with like experience - I guess the question is - where's the line??? At one point do I say - I love you, you will always have a home with me, but as long as you continue to not want to see me (I have not seen or spoken to her since the night she left - only texts) the gifts and the support ends here. I will always continue to keep in touch with the school and go to meetings because that is very important to me and I know is neglected by her and her father, but should I just do that and leave her to her own devices??

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Ariana - posted on 09/09/2012

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I think you need to try and get some councelling with your daugher (and possibly your other kids). You have had so much stress and pain put on your daughter. It is extremely hard for a child to deal with two adults out of control, it makes them feel out of control. She's upset and confused for a million reasons and you two need to work on fixing your relationship.



You should NEVER give up on your daughter, no matter what. Even if your husband gets full custody of her you need to make time to have both of you speak to some sort of family councellor who can help you, and her, work on past issues and current issues that are keeping your relationship strained. It sounds like your daughter is dealing with a lot of pain and anger, some of it directed towards you.



I hope you and your daughter can work things out and a councellor could really help.

Kathy - posted on 09/09/2012

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Thank you so much Suzie. Yes, that's what I always felt - that she's just sad. That night was quite stressful. My son, the youngest, was flipping out that she wasn't home and wanted to call the police - that's how clear it was that she was breaking a big rule. Because I am always being watched and criticized by my ex, I was getting more and more upset, thinking he'd call his father and then all hell would break lose. I was puzzled by her not coming home, but not panicking. I was the first time it had ever happened. So because he kept bugging me to call the police, I said ok, I'm going to find her. So myself and her two siblings went in the car to find her and did, only minutes from the house. She was with 3 kids that I did not know. This only upset me more and I was already pumped up from being fed up of having to do things for fear that the ex would make a mountain over it. So I probably overreacted a little. I told her to get in the car immediately and was yelling at her about how I would not stand for her being on the streets, especially with kids I didn't know, at 10:00 at night. I took away her phone when we got home and I know she was upset that I'd read her texts. I told her straight out I would because I wanted to see what she was up to since she clearly was hanging out with new kids and breaking rules she knew were non negotiable. She'd borrowed my laptop that day and had not logged off. When I opened I saw a girl's wall who I did not know. She had a chat going and was telling a boy my daughter used to date how we were being mean to my daughter and calling her names. When I called her on it she said that was a friend of hers who gave her her password and that she was just looking for attention. She asked me to log off and I did. It was after that that she called her father to come to get her. It was my elder daughter that told me a week later that it was not a friend's facebook, it was one she set up herself so she got speak to this boy without him knowing it was her. All the pieces fell into place because the girl had been saying things that had just happened, such as my taking her phone away. She is the only one of my 3 children who used one parent against the other. I will tell dad or I'll go live with dad. And he got the same over there. I was so upset after she left and my elder daughter tried to go take her for lunch to talk. She would not speak to her nor has she spoken to her since. Actually she has spoken to me more - she has never said a word to her sister, despite the fact that she too sends her gifts and has tried a couple of times to have her come meet with her. I have asked her to explain a few times over the last year, most of the texts go unanswered. She did at one point say something about me having smacked her twice. I never smack my kids. But I did once - not twice and I know that once is too much - during the first year after their father left and I'd just had it with her lip. She can be a very trying child at times. I regretted it before my hand left her face and was mortified. I apologized immediately. She never mentioned it again. So I really don't get why suddenly she's blaming it on that. I apologized again, and told her that I had a lot on my shoulders at the time, but that I am really sorry for how it made her feel. I was surprised she was mentioning it 3 years later because it had never been mentioned again. Maybe it's her way of trying to justify her actions. I just cannot wrap my brain around how kids put up with parents who abuse them verbally and/or physically, are drug addicts or drunks and all manner of bad parenting and yet the kids will love them no matter what. I am a good mother. And she has no problem not seeing me for over a year. She will use me when it's convenient but that's about the extent of it. I just can't wrap my head around it. I don't think she'd be very happy if I contacted her friends. There are a couple that I know that she still sees but the girl she was with that night is her best friend. As it turns out she is very nice and an honor roll student. She also has a new boyfriends that I don't know at all. She does not have any of us on facebook so I cannot see who she talks to. I have on occasion seen her wall through people who do have her. Thank you for listening and for your support. It helps alot.

Suzie - posted on 09/09/2012

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There is no line!! I have 4 kids, ages 11- 15. I too have a horrible ex. It seems a lot has changed starting with the night she broke your rules... did something happen that night??? According to your son, she isn't happy at dads either. I think when we hurt, we sometimes treat the ones we love the worst, because it is safe. Convince her to help you see her side of things. Maybe family therapy for the two of you. Enlist as much help as you can... Does she have a relationship with her older sister? Do you know any of her friends? Check out her Facebook page. I see more of a cry for help, and less of a defiant child. No matter what, never give up! When she gets through this... and she will! She will see that you never gave up. Your actions will show her that you have and will always love her. Good luck! You are not alone!

Kathy - posted on 09/09/2012

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Thank you Jen. It's nice to hear someone encourage me to continue. This experience has been the hardest as a mother and I have 3 teenagers so that says a lot! So many people make me feel like my daughter is a delinquent and I should just give up. Or that she should just get out of the way and let one of the children who want to be in this program go. For the most part, as you say, no one can stop me from mothering her, not even her. But sometimes I get discouraged at her lack of appreciation for everything I do, even the gifts that I know she enjoys and uses, but yet never once has she thanked me or mentioned them. So I wonder if continuing to send them are not counter-productive in that - why should she leave her father's house where she runs the show and gets away with murder, has total freedom to come and go as she pleases and spends A LOT of time alone - when she still gets "stuff" and support from me. Like she used to say as we waited along side her sister's bus taking her away on a Girl Guide trip - How can I miss you if you won't go away? So I wonder if a little distance or stopping the presents might make a difference. I will of course always worry about her and it breaks my heart that she's missing out on a relationship with her siblings, or on our lives like when we went on a big trip last year and she was not her to join us. And you are right, I cannot stop my ex from suing and I will keep in mind your advice about suing for visitation, however in fact I am contesting his action. If a judge gives him full custody because as you say, he does have physical custody and she is old enough to decide, so be it. But there is no way he will have on paper that I agreed. I will contest because I do not want this and because I do not believe it is in her best interest. I also never want him to show her that I agreed. I also believe that she might be legally old enough to decide, but she is so confused right now, I don't think she really understands the implications of what she's doing. As for her having to see me, I'm not sure anyone could "force" her to see me, even a judge and/or a judgement. I do believe however that if she ever did come home to see me, she would change her mind and come back.



Finally, 20!!!! That seems like a very long time to not be able to hug my daughter and it just makes me sad.

Jen - posted on 09/08/2012

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I can't say I have experience with this, but my answer would be no. You are her mother, it's important that she know you care about her and her welfare, no matter what. I have seen this happen with other children of divorced parents, especially when the parents can't get along. The kids simply have too many choices, because they can always threaten to go to the other house, and generally the other parent allows that. You can't stop your ex from suing for custody, and at her age, the judge will allow her to choose, so he will probably win. But I would continue to text her and let her know you are concerned about her schooling and her life in general. If you want, you could also sue for visitation, and then she would have to see you.



Most of the time, by 20 or so, kids grow up and start getting their act together. You want to still be in her life when that happens so she has someone to turn to. Good luck!