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Georgia - posted on 05/26/2010
Mandie, Yeah don't worry. I had the boys in their QLD gear after a bath last night (they were both born at the Wesley) and I support QLD only because it's the only state I've lived in here. We have this deal that neither of us is allowed to buy Origin stuff for the boys, but my friend/neighbour gets stuff for them. It's a great way to stir up our Cockroach. LMAO
As for the mags, their pathetic sentencing/fines/rulings are the problem. It's not just in Brissy either. My FIL was telling me about a serial sexual offender (he was assaulting children) that was caught around the Grafton area. He'd been wanted for ages and assaulted dozens of kids either on the street or by breaking into houses. When he finally got sentenced, he ended up with something like 1 year and time served, as well as a bit of probation. The judge said that she had to feel sorry for this Aboriginal fellow and he just needed a chance to turn his life around, or something to that effect. Apparently it's well known this mag is a huge advocate for Aboriginals and tends to sentence lightly, despite their record. Now, I don't care what colour the perp is, but if they've been proven guilty then a standard sentence should be handed down. More than some slap on the hand and pat on the head. Harsher sentences might actually deter some from doing naughty things.
Prisons are supposed to be the adult version of the naughty spot.
Mandie - posted on 05/26/2010
And i forgot to say we have a new charge for the swearing ferals (that one was thrown in for you Miss Katherine hehehehe) called Public Nuisance, which is handy b/c it covers alot of feral behaviour BUT again Mags are not doling out decent deterrant fines.
Mandie - posted on 05/26/2010
Hahahahahah Donna yr quite right- I just think though that when Magistrates make remarks like they they're contributing to people being able to do all kinds of things that aren't a great idea- ie If it's ok to swear b/c it's everyday language, at what point do you draw the line and go ok well this ISNT acceptable but THIS is? Esp. when it comes to kids.
And yr right about the rest of it too- they are responsible for ALOT of the problem- take Police Pursuits- lots of people getting killed so now there are only VERY specific situations in which you can start a chase- most of us dont anymore b/c it's not worth losing our job/superannuation/ freedom whn you get jailed. So a new offence was created- Evade Police, bascially we get their Rego etc and put in a crime report and at some point they get caught and charged- GREAT idea BUT Mags are giving out teeny tiny fines and No Conviction Recorded (meaning they have 'no past history' of the offence so they cant be charged with further crimes should they decide to do it again)- is this much of a deterrant? No it is not and is it much consolation to the families of people who are killed by these maniacs? No it isnt.
And the country slang seems to be the same- my boy is a Cane Toad from Far North Qld and they sound the same God bless their cotton socks ahahahahahaha! Speaking of which WE WON GAME 1 OF THE ORIGIN!!!!!!
Georgia - posted on 05/24/2010
Mandie, FOP is also a "country" term too. My husband is a cockroach though, so maybe it's different for QLD country people I wouldn't know.
Oddly enough, I actually agree with the magistrates about reason #2. The language is EVERYWHERE. It also goes toward the notion of a word not having as much power as it used to. As for kids not using it... uh... they do. I'm sure you would've seen some of the ferals (truants) running around the streets during school hours. Sheesh, some of them would make a sailor blush! I don't agree that children should use swear words, for about the same reason my father gave me.
As for reason #1, that's ridiculous! No one should have to put up with harassment on the job. Long, long ago when I was a secretary, I used to hang up on people who would swear at me because I knew I didn't have to take it. Regardless of whether someone is FOP or not, the only time someone swears at a cop is to be 1) disrespectful and 2) verbally aggressive (aka harassing behaviour). I still maintain magistrates have been a large part of the problem with the degradation of society.
Okay, if they say you can't charge them with UOL then you should be allowed to bitch slap them. If they are FOP, they won't remember it anyway. Oh oh oh... I got it.... taser them! They'll remember that! (See, it really IS a good thing I didn't become a cop)
That's what I love about Aussie slang... the versatility! All the "nasty" ones usually have several innocent meanings.
Mandie - posted on 05/24/2010
And I thought of another Aussie use of the word feral- when yr sick (as myself and half the family are right now) and either throwing up/having diarhoea or if yr coughing up a lung- as in "How are you?" "Oh I've got this nasty cough and I'm soooo feral!"
Mandie - posted on 05/24/2010
Hahahahahahahah Donna I always LOVE yr posts!
But yr right the F and C bombs are (generally) not as shocking here as they are in other English-speaking countries. But then again, like you, I live in a mostly male world as an ex-Police Officer and the boys do tend to use it as an everyday word. As a result, I didnt THINK I swore alot..... until I had kids and my daughter started picking up on it. Now I'm kind of hyper-vigilant and as a result she often gets up my hubby's friends for swearing- bit mortifying sometimes.
Interestingly though- we used to have a charge of Using Offensive Language here in Queensland- mostly used when people were FOP (Full of Piss- Police jargon for drunk off their heads) and carrying on in public. But it was abolished b/c Magistrates decided that 1. Police should pretty much suck it up when people are swearing at them and 2. The F and C bombs are used in- and I quote "everyday language". I wont go into my thoughts on the 1st reason too much- other than to say no one else is expected to put up with people swearing at them for simply doing THEIR JOB; but the 2nd reason FLOORED me- everyday langage?? I think SOME parts of the community do but not everywhere, otherwise why is it still not ok for kids to swear??
Georgia - posted on 05/20/2010
I know what you mean, Katherine. Which is why when my husband and I went to the US so he could meet family and friends I gave him STRICT instruction that he was NOT to use "the c-word" or "the f-word" once we got off the plane. He thought I'd lost my mind and asked how he was supposed to talk to anyone. So his first words when arriving at LAX? "Fuck me dead! This is one fucking cunt of an airport!!" (at the top of his voice)
Donna turns bright red and notices all the people staring as if he'd just screamed "I've got a bomb up my arse and not afraid to use it! Mwwwhahahahahahahahahaha!! Al Queda rules!"
On another instance, we were in the car with my best friend (male) and a family friend's 13 yo daughter on the way to see my mother's niche at the cemetary. They were having a hard time understanding him because he uses quite a lot of slang, but he still persisted on asking them why the c-word was so taboo... since in Australia people use it as a term of endearment. He then proceeded to say it a half dozen times in examples of how he calls his friends and the different meanings the word can take on. I was horrified! Thankfully I have really open minded friends, but I'm sure my Catholic friend would have been horrified if she had been there to hear what her teenage daughter was listening to.
He can be quite the bumbling court jester, in his own crude way. I still wanted to thump him on that trip though.
Georgia - posted on 05/20/2010
LOL Beck.... I actually agree with you, but I reckon that's just the yankee doodle leftovers in me. :-) I don't actually swear very often, never have because my dad used to tell me that people swear because they aren't intelligent enough to come up with more descriptive words.
Hmm, a flatmate I had here in AUS and I did nothing but talk using one word: f*%k. It's amasing how many ways it can be used to describe almost anything!
Honestly, I'd heard the c-word before too because my father was in the US Navy. So yeah... sailor. Doesn't get much worse than THAT. I remember singing a song about gonorrhea that I'd learned in passing when I was about 4! Boy did my dad give me a flogging for that... and it was my FATHER whom I'd heard singing it!!!
But the first 3 years I was here, it really surprised me how much people use "swear words" in every day conversation and my days of saying "Gosh!" quickly died. Then again I was doing a lot of scuba diving and hanging around a lot of boaties. LOL I'm really starting to make MYSELF sound like a bit of a feral! Better shut up now........
Katherine - posted on 05/19/2010
I agree and before I 'learned' the ways...I was right and everyone else was wrong. I had to intervene in a thread where 2 nurses were arguing about a baby born addicted to meth. Both had many degrees and were very well educated but had different opinions on what was going on. One was from the US and one from England. We HAVE to respect international opinions and views and laws too. In Australia(you know) you can turn a baby FF at 6 months :O That's shocking to me. That's the law there. So yeah, I've learned a lot.
The "c" word is sooo taboo here OMG, it's like the worst word.
Now "feral" is like a "feral" animal. Wild matted and crazy. But really we need to not be so culturally stuck up and respect everyone's views.
The end :]
Georgia - posted on 05/19/2010
You know, I also think some of the problem is in the translation. I know we all speak English, but the North Americans speak differently to the Aussies. Aussies tend to 'take the piss' (translation: joke around) and talk in a more "open" way than Americans, simply because there aren't the 'taboo' words than Americans tend to have. Aussies are less PC than Americans too. That's not to say Aussies are rude, because most times they aren't trying to be it's just the way they speak.
For instance, the whole thing about "ferals". I know that many of my friends use the word as a term of endearment regarding their kids. "My boys are completely FERAL." = "My boys are rambunctious, dirty, getting on my nerves, can be ill-mannered, etc." Whilst they are potentially saying something mean, it's not intended that way. It's just a word that only has as much power a person gives it and Aussies tend not to give as much power to words and be far more laid back.
You should hear how much I hear the "C-word"! My husband and his country friends use it a lot... actually most of my friends use it, but not usually in a negative manner. This has absolutely FLOORED my American friends who've heard my husband/Australian friends speak. My husband still can't understand why my US friends are so uptight about 'simple conversation'.
I've learned that when in doubt, err on the side of caution... and don't take it seriously. Especially in a written forum.
And this comes from an American who's become an Australian citizen. (for those that don't know)
Now that I've just talked to hear myself talk.... :-)
I do think a good debate is a wonderful thing, so it'd be great to hear people "tell it like it is" in their world. Invariably we'll have differing views/experiences and I think that's a great way to learn and gain another perspective.
**Getting out her salt shaker**
*Lisa* - posted on 05/16/2010
Also, I really can't stand when people say 'I call it how I see it. I tell it how it is. I'm blunt and make no apologies' before tearing into someone. There is such a thing as manners and tact. You can make a point without making someone feel crap. It's just plain bullying and doesn't help anyone. What I'm saying is I think a good community is one where you can get a broad view of other people's perspectives and feel secure to share your own.
Beck - posted on 05/16/2010
I would like to see support from members helping others but also some truth, some REAL stories from REAL Mums who aren't full of bullshit 'perfectness'!!! You know what I mean, I want Mums to say, this is how it is.